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namvet
10-25-2009, 07:10 PM
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NO MOMMA NO PAPA NO UNCLE SAM AND NO ONE GIVES A GOOD GOD DAMNED
THE BATTLIN' BASTARDS OF AFGHAN
Is this in response to anything in particular?
namvet
10-25-2009, 07:19 PM
except for being left to die, no
Naw man, if you wana see some real expendable creatures, look no further than your local slaughter house.
Where animals are born and raised just so we can slit their throats, and eat their flesh.
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Business/images-3/peta-slaughterhouse.jpg
cat slave
10-25-2009, 07:51 PM
Coulda done without that, Noir! While I dont eat meat and am an avid animal
lover its hardly the same thing. Our soldiers are over their dodging the Grim
Reaper while the neophyte is still on the campaign trail driveling meaningless
babble. What? Make a decision that is in the interest of our military????
Oh, but no, hes busy doing other things....taking over banks, business, and
setting salaries for CEOs....lets start with capping the salaries with congress..
strip them of their lavish benefits and pensions. Was Michelles time and
expertise worth over $300K? I doubt it. People in glass houses and all that.
But, for gawds sake, do whatever it takes to provide for and protect our
soldiers.
Coulda done without that, Noir! While I dont eat meat and am an avid animal
lover its hardly the same thing.
No you're right, afterall animals can't tell us what they feel, or make a stand themselves, unlike these soilders,
Truth is we're to far re-moved from the murder of animals to really think about it as murder, but merely just dinner.
namvet
10-25-2009, 08:04 PM
Coulda done without that, Noir! While I dont eat meat and am an avid animal
lover its hardly the same thing. Our soldiers are over their dodging the Grim
Reaper while the neophyte is still on the campaign trail driveling meaningless
babble. What? Make a decision that is in the interest of our military????
Oh, but no, hes busy doing other things....taking over banks, business, and
setting salaries for CEOs....lets start with capping the salaries with congress..
strip them of their lavish benefits and pensions. Was Michelles time and
expertise worth over $300K? I doubt it. People in glass houses and all that.
But, for gawds sake, do whatever it takes to provide for and protect our
soldiers.
you get the cudo and a rep. its a spin from an historical event. the battlin' bastards of Bataan
http://home.pacbell.net/fbaldie/img006.JPG.8620
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namvet
10-25-2009, 08:49 PM
Naw man, if you wana see some real expendable creatures, look no further than your local slaughter house.
Where animals are born and raised just so we can slit their throats, and eat their flesh.
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Business/images-3/peta-slaughterhouse.jpg
ah which are officers and which are enlisted????
ah which are officers and which are enlisted????
They are all enlisted, no animal has a choice.
namvet
10-25-2009, 08:56 PM
They are all enlisted, no animal has a choice.
you sure??? the enlisted do the fighting. the officers run. so can you make them fight????
you sure??? the enlisted do the fighting. the officers run. so can you make them fight????
0.o
I'm not following ya...I'm talking about animals being murdered, and assumed that we were having a metaphorical discussion about that...but your above post doesn't really follow that tact...so i think somethings be lost in translation lol
namvet
10-25-2009, 09:16 PM
0.o
I'm not following ya...I'm talking about animals being murdered, and assumed that we were having a metaphorical discussion about that...but your above post doesn't really follow that tact...so i think somethings be lost in translation lol
you said their all enlisted. take it from there
you said their all enlisted. take it from there
Yeah, all animals are enlisted, they are born, raised, and sent to the slaughter house so they can end up on our plates.
namvet
10-25-2009, 09:42 PM
Yeah, all animals are enlisted, they are born, raised, and sent to the slaughter house so they can end up on our plates.
how do you enlist an animal ??? raise its right hoof????
how do you enlist an animal ??? raise its right hoof????
Ack darn, sorry, i was reading the word enlist...but thinking of the word conscript lol...animals are conscripts to their fate,
Naw man, if you wana see some real expendable creatures, look no further than your local slaughter house.
Where animals are born and raised just so we can slit their throats, and eat their flesh.
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Business/images-3/peta-slaughterhouse.jpg
Yep, they were.
crin63
10-26-2009, 10:04 AM
I used to have a great old guy at my church that was in the Bataan Death March. His wife and daughter are still here at my church, he passed away about 10 years ago.
gabosaurus
10-26-2009, 01:38 PM
How does posting a pic of a WWII vet say ANYTHING about Afghanistan? Other than to prove that namvet is totally off his nut and needs to be hospitalized.
Here is a solution to the whole problem: Bring ALL of them home. No one will be ignored. No one else will die. Our country will be safer.
As for the meat situation, I can't say a lot. Since I am a proud member of PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals.
That is life in the food chain. Get over it.
14 more die today while Osama picks his nose and eats it. 10 mons in. no decision. oath to protect and defend ignored. under the constitution guilty of dereliction of duty.
cold bloodied first degree murder. impeach or execute now !!!!
and i smell rotton tampons again
Forgive my poor memory,
but did you say the same about Bush?
Abbey Marie
10-26-2009, 03:26 PM
As I said in the rep, I'm with you on this one, Noir. Compassion is compassion, and need not be parceled out and withheld like it is in limited quantities. What really is disturbing to me is when people get mad at or ridicule those who have compassion for animals. Makes no sense, unless perhaps they use the anger and the ridicule to mask the truth.
And yes, word games aside, these animals are forced to live these sad and painful lives. Who cares if the correct word is enlisted or conscripted? It is the truth.
namvet
10-26-2009, 03:26 PM
Forgive my poor memory,
but did you say the same about Bush?
Bush was 10,000% better than this fuckin retarded crippled derelict
Bush was 10,000% better than this fuckin retarded crippled derelict
I'll take that as a no...
Now you really don't need me to start pointing out that it makes you look a lil silly having a go at one and not the other...
namvet
10-26-2009, 03:38 PM
I'll take that as a no...
Now you really don't need me to start pointing out that it makes you look a lil silly having a go at one and not the other...
moot.
do you approve of Osama letting US troops die???? yes or no
As I said in the rep, I'm with you on this one, Noir. Compassion is compassion, and need not be parceled out and withheld like it is in limited quantities. What really is disturbing to me is when people get mad at or ridicule those who have compassion for animals. Makes no sense, unless perhaps they use the anger and the ridicule to mask the truth.
And yes, word games aside, these animals are forced to live these sad and painful lives. Who cares if the correct word is enlisted or conscripted? It is the truth.
Exactly, something i never really expected was the level of anti-veggie attitude out there, like i dunno if people just assume i wana attack them and so they attack me first, but they really do have a go, at which point i find the easiest thing to do is to start talking about the process of killing an animal to eat its flesh, and they just try and change the convo because it is truly horrid to think about it, and so they'd just rather not think and live in ignorence, pathetic really.
moot.
do you approve of Osama letting US troops die???? yes or no
I didn't aprove of the Iraq war or the Afgan war full stop.
Under both Bush and Obama, and Blair and Brown.
It seems you supported it under Bush, but not now under Obama.
namvet
10-26-2009, 03:43 PM
I didn't aprove of the Iraq war or the Afgan war full stop.
Under both Bush and Obama, and Blair and Brown.
It seems you supported it under Bush, but not now under Obama.
do you approve of Osama letting US troops die???? yes or no
do you approve of Osama letting US troops die???? yes or no
Are you really not able to get my answer from the above statement?...If not then i shall spell it out...
No, i think they should be withdrawn now, i also think that Bush and Blair should have withdrawn them, infact i don't think they should have gone in at all,
I hope i've made my positiion clear,
Yours however is still unknown...you didn't mind the troops going in, or them dying under Bush watch, but you do mind them dying under obamas watch =/
namvet
10-26-2009, 03:56 PM
Are you really not able to get my answer from the above statement?...If not then i shall spell it out...
No, i think they should be withdrawn now, i also think that Bush and Blair should have withdrawn them, infact i don't think they should have gone in at all,
I hope i've made my positiion clear,
Yours however is still unknown...you didn't mind the troops going in, or them dying under Bush watch, but you do mind them dying under obamas watch =/
Osama is NOT going to withdraw. Bush protected his men Osama is executing them !!!!
do you approve of Osama letting US troops die???? yes or no
namvet
10-26-2009, 04:03 PM
How does posting a pic of a WWII vet say ANYTHING about Afghanistan? Other than to prove that namvet is totally off his nut and needs to be hospitalized.
Here is a solution to the whole problem: Bring ALL of them home. No one will be ignored. No one else will die. Our country will be safer.
As for the meat situation, I can't say a lot. Since I am a proud member of PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals.
That is life in the food chain. Get over it.
you stupid idiot. Osama will NOT pull out. he's murdering them right in front of your ugly face !!!!
namvet
10-26-2009, 04:13 PM
send more coffins
McChrystal's Call for Additional Troops Goes 'Too Far, Too Fast,' Kerry Warns
The chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee said Monday he doubts the U.S. has reliable Afghan forces to partner with but doesn't want to add 40,000 more U.S. troops to conduct counterinsurgency operations in Afghanistan.
source (source)
theis NO exist strategy. this is a death sentence
Osama is NOT going to withdraw. Bush protected his men Osama is executing them !!!!
do you approve of Osama letting US troops die???? yes or no
I've already said no, they should be withdrawn
Quite how you see one as protector and another as executioner is beond me,
namvet
10-26-2009, 05:01 PM
I've already said no, they should be withdrawn
Quite how you see one as protector and another as executioner is beond me,
I keep forgetting you don't live here and that's my mistake. you keep forgetting they are NOT in reality going to be withdrawn. live with it. fact: Osama considers this a "good war". get it??? he's staying in. NO withdrawl. bring them home is a pipe dream. ain't gonna happen
Bush listenened to field commanders and made the adjustments.
Osama does not want to be in the same room with any general. he's turned a deaf ear to the problem. there's your sign.
I keep forgetting you don't live here and that's my mistake. you keep forgetting they are NOT in reality going to be withdrawn. live with it. fact: Osama considers this a "good war". get it??? he's staying in. NO withdrawl. bring them home is a pipe dream. ain't gonna happen
What do you mean i keep forgetting they're not gonna be withdrawn? I know that, sure i'd rather it if they were, but i'm under no illusion that they will.
Bush listenened to field commanders and made the adjustments.
Fair play, so i guess you want Obama to listen to his feild commander too?
By which i mean McChrystal, who has asked for 40,000 more troops.
Osama does not want to be in the same room with any general. he's turned a deaf ear to the problem. there's your sign.
and if he listens to what his generals want, and give them the 40,000 troops thhey say they need, will you be happy?
Kathianne
10-26-2009, 05:16 PM
What do you mean i keep forgetting they're not gonna be withdrawn? I know that, sure i'd rather it if they were, but i'm under no illusion that they will.
Fair play, so i guess you want Obama to listen to his feild commander too?
By which i mean McChrystal, who has asked for 40,000 more troops.
and if he listens to what his generals want, and give them the 40,000 troops thhey say they need, will you be happy?
I think if Obama is going to keep the 'troops' there, which are not just American, ask Colin or Bootneck, well you can't Bootneck, cause he's in Afghanistan, he needs to surge or cut bait. They are being slaughtered for no good reason. On a daily basis.
So surge or recall and acquiesce that Taleban win.
Kathianne
10-26-2009, 05:18 PM
Bootneck and Colin are from other boards, I'm sorry. I just realized my bad here. However, the standards don't change, it's not just a US fight, but UK is also heavily invested.
namvet
10-26-2009, 05:19 PM
What do you mean i keep forgetting they're not gonna be withdrawn? I know that, sure i'd rather it if they were, but i'm under no illusion that they will.
Fair play, so i guess you want Obama to listen to his feild commander too?
By which i mean McChrystal, who has asked for 40,000 more troops.
and if he listens to what his generals want, and give them the 40,000 troops thhey say they need, will you be happy?
and if he listens to what his generals want, and give them the 40,000 troops thhey say they need, will you be happy?
yes we all will. including the familes whose relatives are on the front lines!!! it will save lives. but Osama has talked with McChrystal only once. so. back to reality.
Kathianne
10-26-2009, 05:32 PM
yes we all will. including the familes whose relatives are on the front lines!!! it will save lives. but Osama has talked with McChrystal only once. so. back to reality.
More than once, thanks to McChrystal taking it public. In any case, IMO Obama needs to commit more or pull out and admit defeat on the 'good war.'
namvet
10-26-2009, 06:15 PM
More than once, thanks to McChrystal taking it public. In any case, IMO Obama needs to commit more or pull out and admit defeat on the 'good war.'
that's why i call this vietnam 2. and the battlin' bastards of afghan. we lose there the taliban and Al-Qaeda move back in and the holocaust begins. then they take over iraq. and we go waaaaay back to 9-11 and start all over again. all those boys die for nothing. and ill have to witness it.
Kathianne
10-26-2009, 06:17 PM
that's why i call this vietnam 2. and the battlin' bastards of afghan. we lose there the taliban and Al-Qaeda move back in and the holocaust begins. then they take over iraq. and we go waaaaay back to 9-11 and start all over again. all those boys die for nothing. and ill have to witness it.
On this narrow topic, we agree.
gabosaurus
10-27-2009, 10:45 AM
I agree that Afghanistan is Vietnam 2. Meaning that both wars are mistakes and need to ended as soon as possible. Bring everyone home and no one will be "expendable."
If you enjoy watching our soldiers die everyday, then you want the conflict to continue. That is why Bush started this war. He knew the common soldier was "expendable." He never cared.
namvet
10-27-2009, 10:52 AM
and Osama has opened up the killing fields. first degree murder.
impeach now !!!!
gabosaurus
10-27-2009, 10:57 AM
and Osama has opened up the killing fields. first degree murder.
Who started the war? Who invaded? Who is responsible for all the dead?
Admit it, you are clueless. If you are so concerned, go over and fight. You are expendable.
namvet
10-27-2009, 11:02 AM
impeach now !!!!
Who started the war? Who invaded? Who is responsible for all the dead?
Admit it, you are clueless. If you are so concerned, go over and fight. You are expendable.
Gabby you call 9/11 nothing, you are correct about one thing, we should of hit them faster and harder and gave the Generals anything they need to bring these bastards to there knee's, I guess you don't know anybody from NY or Washington, so it is easy to say it is a senseless war, but your messiah didn't think so, he ran on the platform that he was going to get us out of Iraq and go after the real enemy( Afghanistan)
As you can see he hasn't done neither, Namvet is 100% correct, as long as Obama is declaring we are not pulling out , then he should be impeached cause he is 100% responsible for the deaths of our young men and woman, by not sending the troops the General is asking for
And Gabby this was in response to all your post as for who started the war, IMO the people that attacked us did
Gaffer
10-27-2009, 12:23 PM
impeach now !!!!
Can't. His minions control congress.
namvet
10-27-2009, 03:45 PM
Who started the war? Who invaded? Who is responsible for all the dead?
Admit it, you are clueless. If you are so concerned, go over and fight. You are expendable.
well shit for brains lets just see who started it.
FCVZlLBchVE
no reply needed. speaks for itself.
gabosaurus
10-27-2009, 04:40 PM
Gabby you call 9/11 nothing, you are correct about one thing, we should of hit them faster and harder and gave the Generals anything they need to bring these bastards to there knee's, I guess you don't know anybody from NY or Washington, so it is easy to say it is a senseless war, but your messiah didn't think so, he ran on the platform that he was going to get us out of Iraq and go after the real enemy( Afghanistan)
As you can see he hasn't done neither, Namvet is 100% correct, as long as Obama is declaring we are not pulling out , then he should be impeached cause he is 100% responsible for the deaths of our young men and woman, by not sending the troops the General is asking for
And Gabby this was in response to all your post as for who started the war, IMO the people that attacked us did
Absolutely incorrect. As usual.
The U.S. was attacked by a terrorist faction based in Afghanistan. The Bushies attacked and invaded Iraq. Like that made any sense at all.
The Bushies then declared victory, like the conflict was over. Wrong again.
No one is responding to my solution -- take ALL of our troops out of Afghanistan. Immediately. That way, 100 percent of our troops will be safe.
I don't give a crap about Afghanistan or Iraq. I care about the United States. I care about protecting OUR country.
Our real enemies are not in Afghanistan. They are in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
Namvet is delusional and filled with hatred. He enjoys seeing people killed. On both sides. The current conflict plays out like a porn flick for nammie. The death count is his own personal money shot.
namvet
10-27-2009, 06:45 PM
Absolutely incorrect. As usual.
The U.S. was attacked by a terrorist faction based in Afghanistan. The Bushies attacked and invaded Iraq. Like that made any sense at all.
The Bushies then declared victory, like the conflict was over. Wrong again.
No one is responding to my solution -- take ALL of our troops out of Afghanistan. Immediately. That way, 100 percent of our troops will be safe.
I don't give a crap about Afghanistan or Iraq. I care about the United States. I care about protecting OUR country.
Our real enemies are not in Afghanistan. They are in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
Namvet is delusional and filled with hatred. He enjoys seeing people killed. On both sides. The current conflict plays out like a porn flick for nammie. The death count is his own personal money shot.
FCVZlLBchVE
sgtdmski
10-27-2009, 07:13 PM
The simple facts of the matter remain this:
The US military is involved in a war in Afghanistan, the troops on the ground are being attacked and dying. The military commander in charge of the operation has requested more troops.
The Commander in Chief, the President, who is responsible for deciding if more military members need to be sent is waiting before he decides to send the troops.
One needs to question what he is waiting for to decide. It is interesting to note that we are less than a month away from two gubernatorial elections.
One has to wonder if Obama is waiting until after these elections before making a decision as to not upset the electorate and damage the campaigns of two democratic candidates?????
dmk
Kathianne
10-27-2009, 07:35 PM
The simple facts of the matter remain this:
The US military is involved in a war in Afghanistan, the troops on the ground are being attacked and dying. The military commander in charge of the operation has requested more troops.
The Commander in Chief, the President, who is responsible for deciding if more military members need to be sent is waiting before he decides to send the troops.
One needs to question what he is waiting for to decide. It is interesting to note that we are less than a month away from two gubernatorial elections.
One has to wonder if Obama is waiting until after these elections before making a decision as to not upset the electorate and damage the campaigns of two democratic candidates?????
dmk
Indeed, I think he is. Does he really think the left or right will not notice that? As you say, we all know that troops are dying.
namvet
10-27-2009, 07:59 PM
they will die because of his politics. worth it ??? hell no. never. 58,000 were murdered in my war because of politics. and on it goes. glad my war's over.
Military Breaking Away From White House
Foreign Service officer and former Marine captain says he no longer knows why his nation is fighting
Hoh, 36, became the first U.S. official known to resign in protest over the Afghan war, which he had come to believe simply fueled the insurgency.
link (link)
sgtdmski
10-27-2009, 08:06 PM
I still support the wars in both Afghanistan and Iraq. All I ask from our political leaders, and in this case both Bush and now Obama is that they fight the wars to win, period.
As a former military member, I know that we follow the orders of our political leaders. All I ask is that if you are going to start a war, give us the means to finish it. We can do it quite effectively if you give us the mandate to do so.
Just like we have a don't ask don't tell policy when it comes to gays in the military, perhaps we need a don't tell just do it option when it comes to the waging of war.
dmk
namvet
10-27-2009, 08:17 PM
I still support the wars in both Afghanistan and Iraq. All I ask from our political leaders, and in this case both Bush and now Obama is that they fight the wars to win, period.
As a former military member, I know that we follow the orders of our political leaders. All I ask is that if you are going to start a war, give us the means to finish it. We can do it quite effectively if you give us the mandate to do so.
Just like we have a don't ask don't tell policy when it comes to gays in the military, perhaps we need a don't tell just do it option when it comes to the waging of war.
dmk
we have no political leaders !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kathianne
10-27-2009, 08:23 PM
I still support the wars in both Afghanistan and Iraq. All I ask from our political leaders, and in this case both Bush and now Obama is that they fight the wars to win, period.
As a former military member, I know that we follow the orders of our political leaders. All I ask is that if you are going to start a war, give us the means to finish it. We can do it quite effectively if you give us the mandate to do so.
Just like we have a don't ask don't tell policy when it comes to gays in the military, perhaps we need a don't tell just do it option when it comes to the waging of war.
dmk
I agree. While Vietnam may have been a war we didn't need to get involved in, (damn French! and American hubris), our military never lost a battle. It was the politicians, which is their prerogative.
Afghanistan, rather the fight with both the Taleban and al Queda is a war we need to do, but if the politicians are going to dither, bring our troops home. The may win battle after battle, but the war will be lost. If it's to be lost, let it be without the total losses found on that damn wall in DC.
Absolutely incorrect. As usual.
The U.S. was attacked by a terrorist faction based in Afghanistan. The Bushies attacked and invaded Iraq. Like that made any sense at all.
The Bushies then declared victory, like the conflict was over. Wrong again.
No one is responding to my solution -- take ALL of our troops out of Afghanistan. Immediately. That way, 100 percent of our troops will be safe.
I don't give a crap about Afghanistan or Iraq. I care about the United States. I care about protecting OUR country.
Our real enemies are not in Afghanistan. They are in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
Namvet is delusional and filled with hatred. He enjoys seeing people killed. On both sides. The current conflict plays out like a porn flick for nammie. The death count is his own personal money shot.
So we went to Iraq before Afghanistan?? As for either would we be going after the Taliban at all if they didn't attack?? The night GW spoke after 9/11 ( you might be to young to of stayed up that late) he said , if you are a terrorist , support terrorist , Harbor terrorist you are our enemy and the Country , besides the Clintons of course were all with him
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_%282001%E2%80%93present%29 war stared in 2001
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq War in 2003
Guess I wasn't wrong AGIAN!!!
A question Gabby, what do you think we should of done after being attacked?
And as far as porn flick goes, no I truly love my country, I value life, I don't want to see one of our troops hurt , let alone killed, Now I know that is hard for you to understand given your values,
As for taking all our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan , I personally think it would be wrong, so all our troops that we lost over there was for no reason at all ? Just tell there parents , well we don't want no one else s kids getting hurt ? Maybe Obama could take the troops from Iraq as he promised and put them were the real war is, ooo that's right he lied, or more likely he did his homework and found out it is not possible, You go on and on about how bad GW was, how is Obama changing it, other than stating we will not leave Afghanistan and he won't send the troops needed to support what is there
SassyLady
10-27-2009, 09:25 PM
If we bring all the troops home our enemies will still want to kill Americans so they will bring the fight back here and our troops will be fighting in our streets and not only will our troops be dying, but their families and friends will be dying also.
gabosaurus
10-28-2009, 12:48 PM
If we bring all the troops home our enemies will still want to kill Americans so they will bring the fight back here and our troops will be fighting in our streets and not only will our troops be dying, but their families and friends will be dying also.
Completely incorrect. If you read any of the tenets of radical Islam, you find out that they only want their territory.
The terrorists want Western forces out of what they consider Islamic Holy Ground. Which are primarily Muslim countries. They consider Western countries to be "unclean." They often refer to terrorists operating in Western countries as "foreign soldiers."
The extremists don't want to be here. They just don't want us there.
namvet
10-28-2009, 01:15 PM
hey stupid the The extremists are here. been here for years. matter a fact your an extremists
Gaffer
10-28-2009, 02:23 PM
In 1972 Nixon began a heavy bombing campaign of NV. This brought the commies to the negotiating table where a truce was establish. In 73 the last US combat troops were withdrawn from Vietnam. Our part in the war was over. We had won. The south was free, the north contained and our troops were home. Then the dem congress decided to cut off all aid to SV and immediately after that, in 1975, the north invaded. The horrors that followed that invasion are well documented and the domino theory was proven correct.
Today we have another dem congress and again calls for withdrawing our troops. Afghan and iraq are democracies in the making. They are in the heart of islam. Democracy and islam don't mix, so it will be a very long time before these democracies are able to stand on their own. Pulling out the troops will create another Vietnam like situation with a serious domino effect. Instead of communists, it will be fanatical muslims. The death tolls will again be in the millions and the islamists will have countries to support their operations against us.
The dems don't like history. They repeatedly attempt to revise it at every opportunity. There were two Vietnam wars. The one we were involved in, and the one SV and NV were involved in.
The supplier of the NV for both wars was russia. Remember, the dems cut off all aid to SV in 1974. Today we have dems controlling things again. And we have two major threats in the middle east, syria and iran. Who is the major supplier of arms to those countries? russia. History repeating itself?
The liberal/progressive/commies in washington will continue to do the same thing, over and over again, expecting a different result.
SassyLady
10-28-2009, 04:08 PM
Completely incorrect. If you read any of the tenets of radical Islam, you find out that they only want their territory.
The terrorists want Western forces out of what they consider Islamic Holy Ground. Which are primarily Muslim countries. They consider Western countries to be "unclean." They often refer to terrorists operating in Western countries as "foreign soldiers."
The extremists don't want to be here. They just don't want us there.
Gabby, you are partially true......they don't like the "unclean" Westerners; however, they are willing to pursue them until they have wiped them off the face of earth. Read the tenets of radical Islam yourself.
Hence, the attacks on American soil. Do you realistically think that bringing home all the troops will magically protect us from attacks on American soil?
Radical Muslims: 'Convert or Die'
James H. Walsh
Wednesday, Nov. 22, 2006
"You may gain temporary appeasement by a policy of concession to violence, but you do not gain lasting peace that way."
–– Anthony Eden, British diplomat (1897–1977)
In this day of radical Islam, one man's multiculturalism is another man's appeasement. The daily bloodthirsty acts of terror being perpetrated by Muslim jihadists — extremists who have tossed overboard the idea of peace — are no longer limited to Iraq, Israel, and elsewhere in the Middle East.
As "jihad" becomes a household word, some Muslims claim that the word merely refers to a struggle for self-defense. Islamic fundamentalists, however, use "jihad" to mean "holy war" against the infidel, which defined by the tenets of Islam and the Koran includes all non-Muslims worldwide. Throughout Islamic history, "jihad" has equaled violence and death. Today jihadists are being given the benefit of the doubt by European appeasers who choose to ignore or excuse Islamist atrocities.
The Muslim population of Western Europe has passed 20 million persons compared to 7 million Muslims currently residing in the United States. Some radical Muslim immigrants bring with them fervent and dogmatic religious beliefs. The Western world is awakening to the reality of an increasing Muslim population, by migration and birth.
For the past three decades, the non-Muslim world has made a conscious decision to downplay the evil and deadly agenda of these radical jihadists. Western naivete in granting concessions and accepting excuses to sectarian-based violence has become a vainglorious attempt to appease murderous thugs. Western nations, hoping to prevent radical Islamic violence in their homelands, tolerate jihad death and destruction elsewhere by arguing for diversity, political correctness, and at least a transient peace.
Completely incorrect. If you read any of the tenets of radical Islam, you find out that they only want their territory.
The terrorists want Western forces out of what they consider Islamic Holy Ground. Which are primarily Muslim countries. They consider Western countries to be "unclean." They often refer to terrorists operating in Western countries as "foreign soldiers."
The extremists don't want to be here. They just don't want us there.
OK got it now, so we should just allow them to come here to let us know they were displeased with us, kill 2500 or so of us, but hey we got there message , So all is fine now, LMFAO
And again Gabby I will ask you, what do you think we should of done after 9/11 ?
Its OK if you have no earthly idea either does your liberal president
gabosaurus
10-29-2009, 04:26 PM
OK got it now, so we should just allow them to come here to let us know they were displeased with us, kill 2500 or so of us, but hey we got there message , So all is fine now, LMFAO
And again Gabby I will ask you, what do you think we should of done after 9/11 ?
Its OK if you have no earthly idea either does your liberal president
After 9-11? We should have taken all the forces (110,000 troops) we misdirected into Iraq and put them in Afghanistan and at the Pakistani border. The Pakistani government would have handed over militant leaders in that country if we had pressured them.
Jeff, it is obviously that you know zero about Islamic extremism, their ideals and what they want to accomplish. You are just here blowing out drivel and sucking up rep points.
It is obvious that you are not the smart member of the family on this board.
namvet
10-29-2009, 05:13 PM
you good bud clinton screwed the pooch here. figure it out
cat slave
10-29-2009, 07:40 PM
No you're right, afterall animals can't tell us what they feel, or make a stand themselves, unlike these soilders,
Truth is we're to far re-moved from the murder of animals to really think about it as murder, but merely just dinner.
OK, were not connecting on this. You are preaching to the choir on animals
having feelings, feeling pain and mistreated on their way to the slaughter
house.
Having a grown daughter and grandson I think of the kids just like them
who have been used and tossed aside by the rotten, stinking politicians
ie veterans not getting the support and aftercare that they were promised
and deserve.
I cant eat anything that had a face. Animals are your friends, and you
shouldnt eat your friends!
Now that should tell everyone on here that Im a raving loon....but Im
entitled to my feelings and they are strong for animals, and really all
living things except for BO, Reid and Pelosi....!
cat slave
10-29-2009, 07:42 PM
we have no political leaders !!!!!!!!!!!!!
For sure no leaders!!!
namvet
10-29-2009, 08:25 PM
OK, were not connecting on this. You are preaching to the choir on animals
having feelings, feeling pain and mistreated on their way to the slaughter
house.
Having a grown daughter and grandson I think of the kids just like them
who have been used and tossed aside by the rotten, stinking politicians
ie veterans not getting the support and aftercare that they were promised
and deserve.
I cant eat anything that had a face. Animals are your friends, and you
shouldnt eat your friends!
Now that should tell everyone on here that Im a raving loon....but Im
entitled to my feelings and they are strong for animals, and really all
living things except for BO, Reid and Pelosi....!
except for BO, Reid and Pelosi
medium rare or well done ???? :laugh2:
cat slave
10-30-2009, 12:11 AM
:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:
After 9-11? We should have taken all the forces (110,000 troops) we misdirected into Iraq and put them in Afghanistan and at the Pakistani border. The Pakistani government would have handed over militant leaders in that country if we had pressured them.
Jeff, it is obviously that you know zero about Islamic extremism, their ideals and what they want to accomplish. You are just here blowing out drivel and sucking up rep points.
It is obvious that you are not the smart member of the family on this board.
What is obvious little Beotch is your stupidity, Again with the going to Iraq first , :laugh2: I have posted links to show your ignorant little Liberal ass that we went to Afghanistan first , so how could we of sent all the troops from Iraq there
What is painfully Obvious is you are a spoiled little beotch that has had life handed to you , I imagine you got a job at your kids school as a lot of Moms do and then hooked up with some Liberals there, cause you are truly a effing idiot
So we should pressure people that come and attack us, :laugh2: I surely hope you are good in the sack or I see your well-to-do Husband dumping your ass like a 2 dollar whore
I really hope the land of fruits and nuts never gets hit with anything as devastating as 9/11, but honestly if it would just wipe out those like you Cali would be a beautiful place
Attack me if you wish , but remember I don't need to be telling all on a message board how I need someone to wipe my ass , try standing up and being a adult, do for yourself, it feels good ya ought to try it
Kathianne
10-30-2009, 08:19 PM
What is obvious little Beotch is your stupidity, Again with the going to Iraq first , :laugh2: I have posted links to show your ignorant little Liberal ass that we went to Afghanistan first , so how could we of sent all the troops from Iraq there
What is painfully Obvious is you are a spoiled little beotch that has had life handed to you , I imagine you got a job at your kids school as a lot of Moms do and then hooked up with some Liberals there, cause you are truly a effing idiot
So we should pressure people that come and attack us, :laugh2: I surely hope you are good in the sack or I see your well-to-do Husband dumping your ass like a 2 dollar whore
I really hope the land of fruits and nuts never gets hit with anything as devastating as 9/11, but honestly if it would just wipe out those like you Cali would be a beautiful place
Attack me if you wish , but remember I don't need to be telling all on a message board how I need someone to wipe my ass , try standing up and being a adult, do for yourself, it feels good ya ought to try it
Agreed. We did hit Afghanistan first and hard. Problem was, there were so few places to hit. It seemed Iraq took the eye off the ball and Bush didn't help with that message, though he didn't really lose site of it. He didn't communicate that.
cat slave
10-30-2009, 09:35 PM
I think the whole thing could have been settled by turning a mountain into
glass and asking "next"?
But then how do you scare people into behaving when they think to die is
noble and rewarding? Martyrdom is a goal and life is of no value to them.
I would like to have seen all the money spent on Iraq and Afghanistan poured
into such a high tech defense system that it wouldnt matter what they tried
to do next, we would be way ahead of that game but, no, politics run amuck
yet again. We are way to politically correct to fight a war to win anymore,
but its ok to fiddle while body bags come back with our soldiers in them.
The extremists have told us repeatedly what they intend to do to us and I
for one believe them!
I think the whole thing could have been settled by turning a mountain into
glass and asking "next"?
But then how do you scare people into behaving when they think to die is
noble and rewarding? Martyrdom is a goal and life is of no value to them.
I would like to have seen all the money spent on Iraq and Afghanistan poured
into such a high tech defense system that it wouldnt matter what they tried
to do next, we would be way ahead of that game but, no, politics run amuck
yet again. We are way to politically correct to fight a war to win anymore,
but its ok to fiddle while body bags come back with our soldiers in them.
The extremists have told us repeatedly what they intend to do to us and I
for one believe them!
I agree with you , I have said all along GW's biggest flaw in the war was not hitting fast enough or hard enough, true people that feel death is a reward wouldn't scare, but I remember the first Gulf war, all those soldiers that felt death was a reward were running around with signs stating George Bush #1 as they surrendered to our troops, I think gabby is onto something in her own way, if we would of told the people hand the terrorist or even Saddam for that fact over or we will hit hard fast and relentless they would of done so happily, but then we would of been the bullies again if they didn't do as we said and we had to demolish them.
As far as you Gabby, I apologize for attacking you, it made me as much a idiot as you are, see I never once stated to you or anyone on this board ( that I really don't give a damn about) who my family is, but it seems you and Virgil have the same attack mode, So you know I am very proud of my family, all of them, and yes they are all very bright, and that makes me extremely happy , but what ya don't understand gabby and probably never will, is I am happy doing just what I do, nope no college education, but I make a fine living, nice house, land, family is happy and healthy, so I am happy, if ya ever reach my age with my responsibility's and can handle them I may just take your opinion to heart , until that day you are just a spoiled little liberal that has to brag how good her well-to-do her husband is, and I am glad he is gabby I truly am
As for your OPINION on the war's your guess is as good as anyone's, but I have to wonder if a child such as yourself could figure that out then why can't your liberal president, and by the way, if all we have to do is pressure them, then why pull out ? Your words not mine , just strategically place them on the boarders and we win , if it is so easy why scream to pull them out ? Lets not forget what this thread is about, and your answer was to pull out, again as long as Obama won't pull out and won't send more troops the deaths of our soldiers are on his hands!
And by the way Gabby, your right I really don't give a rats ass about Islamic extremism, to hell with them, they attacked our soil, it is all I need to know about them, I have no desire to live among them or to know anything about them, they came to my home I didn't go there
SassyLady
10-31-2009, 12:40 AM
And by the way Gabby, your right I really don't give a rats ass about Islamic extremism, to hell with them, they attacked our soil, it is all I need to know about them, I have no desire to live among them or to know anything about them, they came to my home I didn't go there
I have to agree with you here Jeff.....I made no effort to know about Islam extremists before 9/11 but have spent lots of time, energy and effort learning about it because my husband is in constant deployable state...........and what I know is that I want them distracted and focused on what we are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan rather than be focused on following our troops here and practicing their extremism on American soil again.
bullypulpit
10-31-2009, 08:50 AM
except for being left to die, no
The selectivity of memory you RWN wankstains have with regard to the Bush administration is nothing short of breathtaking.
The Bush administration drew down resources in Afghanistan in order to launch a war against a nation which posed no threat to anyone outside its own borders on the flimsiest, and now shown to be largely fabricated, evidence.
The Bush administration failed to follow through in Afghanistan, allowing the Taliban and Al Qaeda to regroup and rebuild in the mountainous border regions between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
The Bush administration failed to fund the infrastructure and rebuilding projects which would have helped provide political stability in Afghanistan.
The Bush administration ignored Afghanistan during it fruitless and costly campaign in Iraq...which wasn't a front in the "war on terruh" until Bush ordered the invasion of that benighted country. And you're bitching because we have a President who takes time to consider the strategic and tactical options rather than playing cowboy and shooting from the hip a la Bush the Younger?
Until you wankers can scrape together a coalition of ass-hats big enough to win an election, to paraphrase one of your Great Leaders, Rush Limbaugh, "When you win the election... Until then, shut up! Just shut up! Just go away! Bury yourselves in your rat holes and don't come out until you win an election...until then, SHUT UP!"
And, I might add, just shut the fuck up.
namvet
10-31-2009, 10:10 AM
The selectivity of memory you RWN wankstains have with regard to the Bush administration is nothing short of breathtaking.
The Bush administration drew down resources in Afghanistan in order to launch a war against a nation which posed no threat to anyone outside its own borders on the flimsiest, and now shown to be largely fabricated, evidence.
The Bush administration failed to follow through in Afghanistan, allowing the Taliban and Al Qaeda to regroup and rebuild in the mountainous border regions between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
The Bush administration failed to fund the infrastructure and rebuilding projects which would have helped provide political stability in Afghanistan.
The Bush administration ignored Afghanistan during it fruitless and costly campaign in Iraq...which wasn't a front in the "war on terruh" until Bush ordered the invasion of that benighted country. And you're bitching because we have a President who takes time to consider the strategic and tactical options rather than playing cowboy and shooting from the hip a la Bush the Younger?
Until you wankers can scrape together a coalition of ass-hats big enough to win an election, to paraphrase one of your Great Leaders, Rush Limbaugh, "When you win the election... Until then, shut up! Just shut up! Just go away! Bury yourselves in your rat holes and don't come out until you win an election...until then, SHUT UP!"
And, I might add, just shut the fuck up.
The Vietnam moment
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Seven years ago, Dick Cheney proclaimed: “The Taliban is out of business, permanently.” Last week, the former vice-president came close to accusing Barack Obama of lacking the guts to “do what it takes” to win the war against the very same Taliban.
Some time in the next two weeks, Mr Obama is likely to bring months of agonised deliberation to a close when he decides how many more troops to send to Afghanistan. The number, which could be as high as the 40,000 recommended by Stanley McChrystal, the general in charge, will be analysed minutely for what it can achieve on the ground in Afghanistan.
But as Mr Cheney’s contrasting observations illustrate, the more influential war is being fought politically on the ground in America. Somehow, the compulsions of US politics have brought the candidate who electrified America by promising to pull out of Iraq to a position where many of his most ardent backers fear he may be about to get America into another Vietnam.
The decision, much like the one by Lyndon Johnson to step up involvement in Indochina, could prove to be the most important Mr Obama takes in office. It presents America’s most liberal president in a generation with a classic dilemma between guns and butter that is only likely to deepen, whatever choice he makes.
“What began as an almost reflex debating stance on the campaign trail – that George W. Bush had started the wrong war in Iraq and that Hillary Clinton had voted for it – has brought us to this moment,” says Daniel Markey at the Council on Foreign Relations. “Only now is the president really analysing the implications of escalation in Afghanistan. And they are potentially paralysing.”
Some believe the analogies with Vietnam are overdone: The US lost almost 60,000 lives in south-east Asia against the 797 it has so far lost in Afghanistan. But the parallels are also inescapable. Much like LBJ, Mr Obama is being dragged reluctantly into a war that threatens to interfere with an ambitious domestic programme of liberal reform. Much like LBJ, Mr Obama is surrounded by the “best and the brightest”, many of whom are urging the president to take the advice of the military, which appears to be nearly unanimous.
And much like Vietnam, the war in Afghanistan is viewed in Washington as a proxy for a larger ideological battle – the former against worldwide communism, today against Islamist terrorism. In both cases, the president is asked to take a gamble on the response of complex faraway societies that are only fleetingly understood. In both cases, there is a recurring suspicion that the smartest minds at the Pentagon are looking for a nail to fit their hammer.
“The real nail is in Pakistan,” says Larry Wilkerson, a retired army colonel who was chief of staff to Colin Powell, the former secretary of state. “But there is only a limited amount we can do to influence what happens there.”
This week, Mrs Clinton’s touchdown in Pakistan coincided with one of the worst terrorist attacks it has experienced, leaving 100 dead in the back alleys of Peshawar. The secretary of state’s arrival followed months of terrorist escalation in a country where the military is only now perceived to be putting significant – if questionable – weight behind operations targeting Taliban sanctuaries in the tribal areas. Mrs Clinton, who leaves Pakistan on Saturday, has received a cool reception in spite of the fact that Congress recently approved another $7.5bn (£4.6bn, €5.1bn) of civilian aid for the troubled country.
According to a recent poll, 59 per cent of Pakistanis view America as their greatest threat, against just 18 per cent for India and 11 per cent for al-Qaeda. America’s aid package was greeted with suspicion and derision across Pakistan. “I have never had so much difficulty in trying to give away $7.5bn,” said John Kerry, chairman of the US foreign relations committee, on a trip to Pakistan last week.
Senator Kerry’s own experience in the region underscores Mr Obama’s dilemma. The former presidential candidate played what many saw as a decisive role in persuading Hamid Karzai, the Afghan president, to go ahead with a second round of voting after an August presidential election in which monitors had declared almost one-third of his votes to be fraudulent. Mr Obama is expected to make his troops announcement only after the run-off, which takes place a week from Saturday.
Many in the White House were hoping that Mr Kerry’s recent diplomatic feat would stiffen his resolve to support Mr Obama’s forthcoming troop surge and thus help reconcile the liberal wing of the Democratic party to this “war of necessity” – as opposed to the “war of choice” Mr Cheney and Mr Bush commenced in Iraq.
But their hopes were dashed – and the deep ambivalence of many of Mr Obama’s non-military advisers was underlined – when Mr Kerry gave a confusing speech back in Washington this week. The Vietnam war veteran said that Gen McChrystal’s proposed counter-insurgency strategy went “too far, too fast”. But the senator also said a US pull-out from Afghanistan could be dangerously destabilising for the broader region.
“Kerry had an opportunity to put his shoulder to the wheel,” says one outside adviser to Mr Obama. “Instead he chose to sit on the fence.” Sitting on the fence is a luxury Mr Obama cannot afford. But many in Washington, both Democrats and Republicans, are predicting the president will split the difference by choosing to send in 20,000-30,000 more troops rather than the 40,000 or more Gen McChrystal has requested.
Following the worst month of the war so far – with 45 Americans killed in October – Mr Obama paid a pre-dawn visit to Dover air force base in Delaware on Thursday to salute the caskets of the returning American dead. Then, on Friday, he held the seventh Oval Office discussion with senior military staff and advisers on Afghanistan – and not necessarily the last before he takes his decision.
Nobody doubts Mr Obama’s intellectual ability to parse the constant advice he is soliciting. Nor do people doubt his understanding of the great weight that falls on the shoulders of America’s commander-in-chief – as his visit to Dover illustrated. But almost everybody – including, reportedly, the Taliban – doubts whether Mr Obama’s heart is in this war.
“My guess is that he’ll announce something north of 20,000 troops and hope that is enough,” says Peter Bergen, an expert on al-Qaeda, who is urging a full-scale counter-insurgency. “Then he will work out what can be done with that number and when results can be announced. For example, it would take 2,000 US troops to secure the road between Kabul and Kandahar. That could be done by next summer.”
By then the other ground war – the one on US political terrain – will also be hotting up with midterm congressional elections taking place next November. In the 1966 midterms, much of the steam was taken out of LBJ’s presidency when his party suffered setbacks at the polls because of the escalating war in Vietnam. Next week, electoral analysts predict, the Republicans will retake the governorship of Virginia, a state that Mr Obama won handily last November. Many of the liberals who populate northern Virginia around Washington are expected to sit on their hands – a sense of disillusion already sinking in.
The question facing Mr Obama is whether he can get results from Afghanistan in time to trumpet success back home. That was also LBJ’s preoccupation: his obsession with a domestic political timetable made for deteriorating relations with the generals.
“My concern is that we get, say, a 20,000 troop increase but with instructions to Gen McChrystal to achieve results on an unrealistic timetable,” says Bobby Wilkes, a retired air force general, who was a senior Pentagon official in the Bush administration. “If you don’t put in enough troops now, you may have to put in more later.”
To put it another way, splitting the difference and announcing 20,000-plus new troops might look like the least risky choice. But it would satisfy neither liberal nor conservative critics of Mr Obama back home. And it may do little to convince the Taliban that America is in this fight for keeps.
“The one thing the White House is determined to avoid is to repeat the mistakes of Vietnam,” says Mr Markey. “But in trying to avoid the mistakes of Vietnam, it could simply be making a whole new set of mistakes.”
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welcome to Viernam 2 you fat roasted pig.
And, I might add, just shut the fuck up
my service to this country allows to say shove it up your marxists ass. pig
bullypulpit
10-31-2009, 01:25 PM
The Vietnam moment
http://media.ft.com/cms/ce4d6728-c57c-11de-9b3b-00144feab49a.jpg
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welcome to Viernam 2 you fat roasted pig.
my service to this country allows to say shove it up your marxists ass. pig
Firstly, you would'nt Know a Marxist if one bit you on the ass, got lock-jaw and died. Secondly, as a veteran myself, my respect for your service is boundless. Thirdly, "VietNam 2"? We can all say, "Thank you President Bush..." for that flaming bag of dog-shit his administration left on America's door-step. Finally, with all due respect sir, fuck you.
namvet
10-31-2009, 01:58 PM
Firstly, you would'nt Know a Marxist if one bit you on the ass, got lock-jaw and died. Secondly, as a veteran myself, my respect for your service is boundless. Thirdly, "VietNam 2"? We can all say, "Thank you President Bush..." for that flaming bag of dog-shit his administration left on America's door-step. Finally, with all due respect sir, fuck you.
how long you been on crutch's ???? your Marxist said this was "a good war" explain that one to us. why is his ass glued to the chair??? how many die while he eats steak and plays round ball ??? the liberals are chowing down on his ass. with all due respect sir, fuck you
Gaffer
10-31-2009, 02:27 PM
Firstly, you would'nt Know a Marxist if one bit you on the ass, got lock-jaw and died. Secondly, as a veteran myself, my respect for your service is boundless. Thirdly, "VietNam 2"? We can all say, "Thank you President Bush..." for that flaming bag of dog-shit his administration left on America's door-step. Finally, with all due respect sir, fuck you.
Firstly, we all know marxists when we see them. You are one yourself. The whitehouse is full of them. marxists and maoists.
The taliban are rising again. Not because they were hiding in the mountains between pakistan and afghan, but because they were IN pakistan. That is where they took refuge and rebuilt their infrastructure. They are currently using that country to launch attacks into afghan.
A very simple history lesson: The same thing was done in Vietnam. The VC and NVA used cambodia and laos as staging areas and supply lines. The north got the supplies from russia and sent it through those two countries to their troops in the south. A similar situation is going on now. The soldiers are afghan and pakistani. The supplies are shipped in through iran. Guess where iran gets their supplies.....russia. It's another east verses west proxiwar. The difference is that the communists have infiltrated our government and they are more interested in consolidating their own power instead of winning a war.
iraq was just unfinished business. The majority of the people that wanted iraq taken down were....democrats. Why? Because they all thought he had WMD's. They were wrong, therefore they lied. That's how dems define being wrong about something, but you know that.
namvet
10-31-2009, 04:17 PM
and of course bullyshit like all libs has now forgot about Clinton and his role in this. what say bully bully do tell us all about it. we do want to hear your excuse's and alibi's.
I have to agree with you here Jeff.....I made no effort to know about Islam extremists before 9/11 but have spent lots of time, energy and effort learning about it because my husband is in constant deployable state...........and what I know is that I want them distracted and focused on what we are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan rather than be focused on following our troops here and practicing their extremism on American soil again.
My prayers are with you and yours that he will not be put in Harms way, IMO if we do what we need to over there we would send all these sick bastards a message, "Don't mess with the USA" but of course we have some here that feel we are all wrong, funny thing is they either don't live near or have anyone that does the sites that were attacked and they don't have anyone that may be directly affected by the terrorist
You are exactly right ,we draw our troops out and we will bring the war here, some are just not smart enough to understand or maybe just don't care, that ol party over country BS
But one thing is absolutely for sure, Obama stated WE WILL NOT WITHDRAW OUR TROOPS so as long as he won't send any troops to help what is already there the blood shed is on his hands!
Binky
11-01-2009, 10:57 AM
My prayers are with you and yours that he will not be put in Harms way, IMO if we do what we need to over there we would send all these sick bastards a message, "Don't mess with the USA" but of course we have some here that feel we are all wrong, funny thing is they either don't live near or have anyone that does the sites that were attacked and they don't have anyone that may be directly affected by the terrorist
You are exactly right ,we draw our troops out and we will bring the war here, some are just not smart enough to understand or maybe just don't care, that ol party over country BS
But one thing is absolutely for sure, Obama stated WE WILL NOT WITHDRAW OUR TROOPS so as long as he won't send any troops to help what is already there the blood shed is on his hands!
What was it he said when running for prez? Something about being able to pull them out within 18 months? Has he started aligning matters in that direction? Doubtful, as he's too busy making America a socialist country..... hmmm.....I wonder if our troops will still be there when the next prez. election arrives...... That's pondering material.... If he doesn't begin putting into place an exit plan and acting on it, then the next election could be bad for him.....
What was it he said when running for prez? Something about being able to pull them out within 18 months? Has he started aligning matters in that direction? Doubtful, as he's too busy making America a socialist country..... hmmm.....I wonder if our troops will still be there when the next prez. election arrives...... That's pondering material.... If he doesn't begin putting into place an exit plan and acting on it, then the next election could be bad for him.....
18 months came after he was in office, I was sitting in Wytheville Va when Osama and Hillary went back and fourth on this subject, Hillary said her name isn't Hillary Rodham Clinton if she doesn't have the troop's out of Iraq in 30 days after she takes office, Osama said he would be more realistic and said it would take 3 months, right before he took office I think it went to 9 , Then Biden screwed up and said it would be longer, That was when it went to 18, :laugh2:'
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