Ronald Reagan on Socialized Medicine

[red states rule]

Even in 1961 Reagan knew liberals would try to takeover the healthcare industry

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[crin63]

Amazing, we were warned and still look where we are.

My doctor gets pissed off frequently dealing with HMO's. He says that he should have the ability to determine his patients medical care not the insurance company. Lets not forget that HMO's were an invention of our government.

[Joe Steel]

Amazing, we were warned and still look where we are.

My doctor gets pissed off frequently dealing with HMO's. He says that he should have the ability to determine his patients medical care not the insurance company. Lets not forget that HMO's were an invention of our government.

Look-up Kaiser Permanente. It was the first HMO...in 1933.

HMOs are private organizations. The are run by capitalists for the benefit of capitalists.

[Nukeman]

Look-up Kaiser Permanente. It was the first HMO...in 1933.

HMOs are private organizations. The are run by capitalists for the benefit of capitalists.

Half truths do not make a valid argument Joe, but than again your good at half truths.

Yes Kaiser-Permanente were some of the "first" HMO's but it wasn't until the fed got involved that it became mainstream and crushed the life out of affordable health insurance.. YOU should read up on what you ask others to do...

Here's a little history for you....


From their beginnings, HMOs were designed--by Democrats and Republicans--to eliminate individual health insurance. The result is a vast network of health care collectives (HMOs, PPOs, Point-of-Service plans) created by government that are destined to do harm to individuals.

The individual was first discouraged from buying insurance in 1942 when employee health premiums were made tax deductible to employers--not to individuals. Congress created Medicare in 1965, making individual insurance for those over 65 obsolete. Subsidized, unrestricted health care for seniors lead to an unprecedented frenzy of spending by patients and doctors.

Costs went up, introducing an economic obstacle to individual health insurance. As costs rose, those on the New Left, including then freshman Sen. Ted Kennedy, argued that government ought to pay for everyone's health care and promoted the idea of a health maintenance organization, a term coined by a left-wing college professor.

President Nixon appeased the left and proposed the HMO Act, which Congress passed in 1973. The law created new, supposedly cheaper health coverage with millions of dollars to HMOs, which, until then, constituted a small portion of the market. Kaiser Permanente was the only major HMO in the country by 1969 and most of its members were compelled to join through unions.
Combined with Medicare, the HMO Act eventually eliminated the market for affordable individual health insurance.

It really isn't that hard to find WHOLE truths instead of the half ones you tell Joe. You really need to stop and realize we are not the ignorant masses you must be used to dealing with...... IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!

[maineman]

Half truths do not make a valid argument Joe, but than again your good at half truths.

Yes Kaiser-Permanente were some of the "first" HMO's but it wasn't until the fed got involved that it became mainstream and crushed the life out of affordable health insurance.. YOU should read up on what you ask others to do...

Here's a little history for you....



It really isn't that hard to find WHOLE truths instead of the half ones you tell Joe. You really need to stop and realize we are not the ignorant masses you must be used to dealing with...... IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!

might we expect a link so as to know what the source of your "history" might be?

[Nukeman]

might we expect a link so as to know what the source of your "history" might be?

Tell ya what mr. wizard.... Look it up yourself.... just google the history of HMO's. If you doubt me soo much than do your own research!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!