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red states rule
10-09-2009, 05:07 AM
Obama wins Nobel Prize? Fow what? What did he do in the 2 weeks he was in office to earn it? What did he do to get the nomination?
President Barack Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
Stunning choice made Obama the third sitting president to win the Nobel Peace Prize and shocked observers because Obama took office less than two weeks before the nomination deadline
President Barack Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday for "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples," the Norwegian Nobel Committee said, citing his outreach to the Muslim world and attempts to curb nuclear proliferation.
The stunning choice made Obama the third sitting U.S. president to win the Nobel Peace Prize and shocked Nobel observers because Obama took office less than two weeks before the Feb. 1 nomination deadline. Obama's name had been mentioned in speculation before the award but many Nobel watchers believed it was too early to award the president.
"Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future," the committee said. "His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population."
The committee said it attached special importance to Obama's vision of, and work for, a world without nuclear weapons.
"Obama has as president created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play," the committee said.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/09/president-barack-obama-wins-nobel-peace-prize/
red states rule
10-09-2009, 05:31 AM
So now the Chosen One joins the ranks of Jimmy "Peanut" Carter, Al "Global Warming" Gore. and Arafat the Terrorist
BUt it does prove once again how little the Nobel Prize means and has become
So what was once a worthy achievement has been relegated to the equivalent of a popularity contest. Just one more item that has been twisted, distorted and broken by libs.
red states rule
10-09-2009, 06:37 AM
So what was once a worthy achievement has been relegated to the equivalent of a popularity contest. Just one more item that has been twisted, distorted and broken by libs.
What worthy achievement? According to news reports Obama "reached out" to Muslims
Obama wants world peace
What lame ass reasons to give this boob the Nobel Prize
In all reality, Obama's teleprompter whould have been given the award
What worthy achievement? According to news reports Obama "reached out" to Muslims
Obama wants world peace
What lame ass reasons to give this boob the Nobel Prize
In all reality, Obama's teleprompter whould have been given the award
As I said: ONCE WAS a worthy achievement. There was a day when receiving the Nobel Prize really meant something. Since they started handing it out to the "nutcase du jour" it has become laughable.
red states rule
10-09-2009, 06:55 AM
As I said: ONCE WAS a worthy achievement. There was a day when receiving the Nobel Prize really meant something. Since they started handing it out to the "nutcase du jour" it has become laughable.
It proves what I have always said about liberal and their liberalism
It is not their accomp,ishments that matter - only their good intentions
Libs never want to be held accountable for their failure - and Obama is a perfect example
No, Obama did not fail. it is the fault of others. His intentions are great but he he is not the reason his policies are not working. NO it is Bush's fault, the racists in America are attacking, the Republican minority, talk radio, Fox News, and on and on
NO matter how big a failure Oabma turns out to be, he will still be held in high esteem in the eyes of liberals - much like Jimmy "Peanut" Carter
Who was the worst President in my lifetime - until Obama was sworn in and we got Carter's second term
It proves what I have always said about liberal and their liberalism
It is not their accomp,ishments that matter - only their good intentions
Libs never want to be held accountable for their failure - and Obama is a perfect example
No, Obama did not fail. it is the fault of others. His intentions are great but he he is not the reason his policies are not working. NO it is Bush's fault, the racists in America are attacking, the Republican minority, talk radio, Fox News, and on and on
NO matter how big a failure Oabma turns out to be, he will still be held in high esteem in the eyes of liberals - much like Jimmy "Peanut" Carter
Who was the worst President in my lifetime - until Obama was sworn in and we got Carter's second term
You have hinted at the crux of the problem; Libs do not believe in personal responsibility. The Democratic party platform is based on victimhood; if there were no victims there would be no Democratic party. It is not in their best interest to resolve ANY issue because it is only through the victims of those issues (most of them GREATLY exagerated by the politicians ....ESPECIALLY dems) that they can stay in power. Of course, corrupt organizations like ACORN and unions help!
red states rule
10-09-2009, 07:07 AM
You have hinted at the crux of the problem; Libs do not believe in personal responsibility. The Democratic party platform is based on victimhood; if there were no victims there would be no Democratic party. It is not in their best interest to resolve ANY issue because it is only through the victims of those issues (most of them GREATLY exagerated by the politicians ....ESPECIALLY dems) that they can stay in power. Of course, corrupt organizations like ACORN and unions help!
Hell no they do not believe in personal responsibility. Dems and libs live to keep the wars between the classes going. Old VS young; black VS white; employer VS employee; male VS female; and rich VS poor
In every case someone is a vicitm and the ONLY way to solve the 'problem" is to elect Dems who can pass some law or regulation
Of course that law or regulation will NOT solve the "problem" but it does accomplish what Dems sought to do in the first place. Secure more power for their party while keeping some segements of the population dependent on them
maineman
10-09-2009, 07:29 AM
I'll bet if Dubya had won it in 2002 for doing his darnest to rid the world of those Al KAYda evildoers, you guys would have been dancin':lol:
red states rule
10-09-2009, 07:30 AM
I'll bet if Dubya had won it in 2002 for doing his darnest to rid the world of those Al KAYda evildoers, you guys would have been dancin':lol:
Who is talking about Bush?
I am asking what did Obama do in 2 weeks as Presdient to "win" the award? What is it with you Obama drones you always go back to Pres Bush when you can't answer a question?
maineman
10-09-2009, 07:33 AM
I think the Nobel Prize committee citation is fairly explicit as to their reasons for giving him the prize. Did they say anything in that citation that was factually incorrect?
red states rule
10-09-2009, 07:36 AM
I think the Nobel Prize committee citation is fairly explicit as to their reasons for giving him the prize. Did they say anything in that citation that was factually incorrect?
Again, what did he do and change in the 2 weeks before the nomionation period ended>
Nw the drones like you will gleefully praise your guy - even though in 9 months he has not changed a damn thing
I'll bet if Dubya had won it in 2002 for doing his darnest to rid the world of those Al KAYda evildoers, you guys would have been dancin':lol:
Well Bush has done a heck of a lot more than Obama. Whether he failed or succeeded is another debate. Obama has done exactly NOTHING and gets awarded the Nobel Prize???
Maybe in your view, doing nothing is worth dancing over. In mine, it is better to have tried and failed (or even better...succeeded) than to not have tried at all.
By the way, I have been convinced the Nobel Prize was a joke since the day they awarded it to Arafat.
red states rule
10-09-2009, 07:40 AM
NOw we know why he has been putting off sending more troops in to the war zone. Had to get this award first
avatar4321
10-09-2009, 07:42 AM
If President Obama has any honor or self respect, he will decline the award since he hasnt done anything to earn it.
But you know how unlikely that is.
red states rule
10-09-2009, 07:42 AM
Well Bush has done a heck of a lot more than Obama. Whether he failed or succeeded is another debate. Obama has done exactly NOTHING and gets awarded the Nobel Prize???
Maybe in your view, doing nothing is worth dancing over. In mine, it is better to have tried and failed (or even better...succeeded) than to not have tried at all.
By the way, I have been convinced the Nobel Prize was a joke since the day they awarded it to Arafat.
NO\ow we do have to give Obama credit
Obama has a remarkable list of "accomplishments" in only 8 months CSM
1. Offended the Queen of England
2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia
3. Praised the Marxist Daniel Ortega
4. Kissed Hugo Chavez on the cheek
5. Endorsed the Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia
6. Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions
7. Gave away billions to AIG, also without pre-conditions
8. Expanded the bailouts
9. Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian
10. Doubled our national debt
11. Announced a termination of the space defense system the day after the North Koreans launched an ICBM.
12. Despite the urgings of his own CIA director and the prior 42 CIA directors, released information on intelligence gathering. Announced major restrictions on interrogation techniques used on enemy combatant prisoners.
13. Accepted without public comment the fact that five of his cabinet members cheated on their taxes and two other appointees withdrew after they couldn’t take the heat.
14. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who quickly identified as “dangers to the nation” groups including veterans of the military, and opponents to abortion on demand, and who ordered that the word “terrorism” no longer be used but instead referred to such acts as “man made disasters.”
15. Circled the globe so he could openly apologize for America ’s shortcomings and sins.
16. Told Mexicans the violence in their country was mostly caused by illegal guns from the U.S.
17. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from its Department of Commerce origins and announced ACORN [the organization under massive scrutiny amid allegations of election fraud] would manage the process.
18. A ppointed as Attorney General the man who orchestrated the forced removal and expulsion from America to Cuba of a nine-year old whose mother died trying to bring him to a life of freedom in the United States .
19. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the Bush administration will likely stand trial for torturing a terrorist who had played a part in killing 3000 Americans by pouring water over his face.
20. On his watch, Air Force One flew over New York City for a photo op without notifying local authorities, causing widespread panic.
21. Took over the American Automobile industry and handed over 50% off to the unions [because he said he owed them] and appointed a czar with no experience of the automotive industry.
22. Continued his drive for abs olute gun control activities, thumbing his nose at the 2nd Amendment.
23. Offered travel and living subsidies in the U.S. to Hamas activists displaced from the Gaza Strip.
24. Got more airtime [TV] than Oprah Winfrey and was often out of Washington instead of tending to the real business of State.
25. Announced the closure of enemy combatants detention center in Guantanamo Bay , Cuba but failed to address the issue of ‘what’ to do with the 200+ prisoners currently held there. Rumors persist that they’ll be housed on U.S. soil, often parroted by the Attorney General.
26. Insists that a legally removed dictator in Honduras be reinstated.
27. Sent condolences to the family of Michael Jackson but not to the survivors of Marine Colonel Ed McMahon or Farrah Fawcett.
http://younggunconservative.com/2009...complishments/
I think the Nobel Prize committee citation is fairly explicit as to their reasons for giving him the prize. Did they say anything in that citation that was factually incorrect?
The Nobel Prize committee is about as useless as the UN.
This award is about as honorable as being awarded a Silver Star for flying over to Iraq for a day visit. But then you know that. All it has done (along with all the other awards for less then noble efforts) is devalue the award for those who truly deserved it.
maineman
10-09-2009, 07:44 AM
The Nobel Prize committee is about as useless as the UN.
This award is about as honorable as being awarded a Silver Star for flying over to Iraq for a day visit. But then you know that. All it has done (along with all the other awards for less then noble efforts) is devalue the award for those who truly deserved it.
I understand that is your opinion, but you failed to answer my simple question.
Did the Nobel Prize committee cite anything that was factually inaccurate regarding Obama?
maineman
10-09-2009, 07:46 AM
Again, what did he do and change in the 2 weeks before the nomionation period ended>
Nw the drones like you will gleefully praise your guy - even though in 9 months he has not changed a damn thing
and you avoid answering my question as well.
::yawn::
red states rule
10-09-2009, 07:51 AM
and you avoid answering my question as well.
::yawn::
I liusted Obamas accomplishments over the last 9 months - and I am giving him credit for what he has done
Nowhere do I see where he deserves the Nobel Prize
I understand that is your opinion, but you failed to answer my simple question.
Did the Nobel Prize committee cite anything that was factually inaccurate regarding Obama?
Cmon, the whole frikking thing was factually inaccurate. Obama took office TWO WEEKS before the nominations closed. He had ZERO impact in those two weeks...nada...none. We can debate what he has done SINCE then but to say he had an impact in the TWO WEEKS prior to the closing of nominations is pure, unadulterated bullshit. He was a junior senator and presedential CANDIDATE. His foreign policy hadn't even gotten out of draft form yet.
I suppose the committee believed his campaign promises and that was justification enough but to me, something smells rotten in Denmark!
jimnyc
10-09-2009, 07:53 AM
I think it's hilarious that he got this award. He has done the same damn thing as GWB as far as "peace" is concerned since he took office. The left wants GWB brought up on charges and now they'll sit and glow while Obama gets a fake prize for doing NOTHING to earn this award.
stephanie
10-09-2009, 08:12 AM
Like everything else with the Little Marxist this is a friggen joke..
maineman
10-09-2009, 08:16 AM
Cmon, the whole frikking thing was factually inaccurate. Obama took office TWO WEEKS before the nominations closed. He had ZERO impact in those two weeks...nada...none. We can debate what he has done SINCE then but to say he had an impact in the TWO WEEKS prior to the closing of nominations is pure, unadulterated bullshit. He was a junior senator and presedential CANDIDATE. His foreign policy hadn't even gotten out of draft form yet.
I suppose the committee believed his campaign promises and that was justification enough but to me, something smells rotten in Denmark!
clearly, since they cited his speech in Cairo, they took more into consideration than simply his first two weeks in office. Again... what was factually inaccurate in their statement?
jimnyc
10-09-2009, 08:21 AM
Here are a few things I would like to accomplish before I die:
1- Get rid of all nukes
2- Stop all wars
3- Give poor lots of money to survive
4- Make everyone love one another
Nevermind that these are just things I WANT to accomplish, but haven't actually accomplished one damn thing yet - I deserve the peace award for my beautiful visions!
And that's what happened here. Obama talks a good talk but the FACTS of the matter are that he hasn't accomplished jack shit yet to ear this award. He's fighting 2 wars, Israel & Palestine are still killing one another, Al Qaeda and Bin Laden are publicly laughing at him, Iran is developing nukes.... He promised to close guantanomo but it won't happen when he says. He promised to end the Iraq war but it's still going, and he's hedging his bets on Afghanistan as soldiers die around his hesitant decision. And they give him a fucking award for accomplishing NOTHING? Hell, at least GWB took out Saddam and tons of Al Qaeda to go along with him.
clearly, since they cited his speech in Cairo, they took more into consideration than simply his first two weeks in office. Again... what was factually inaccurate in their statement?
Again, the whole thing is inaccurate. All I can say is that the committee's standards are pretty damn low. One speech does not make a leader of world peace, I don't care how you try to spin this, skippy. I know you believe that hypocricy is good character trait but this a stretch even for you.
Not to worry though, I hear the Roman Catholic Church is about to make him the world's only living saint. They found his baptism and confirmation certificates while they were looking for his birth certificate.
red states rule
10-09-2009, 08:24 AM
Here are a few things I would like to accomplish before I die:
1- Get rid of all nukes
2- Stop all wars
3- Give poor lots of money to survive
4- Make everyone love one another
Nevermind that these are just things I WANT to accomplish, but haven't actually accomplished one damn thing yet - I deserve the peace award for my beautiful visions!
And that's what happened here. Obama talks a good talk but the FACTS of the matter are that he hasn't accomplished jack shit yet to ear this award. He's fighting 2 wars, Israel & Palestine are still killing one another, Al Qaeda and Bin Laden are publicly laughing at him, Iran is developing nukes.... He promised to close guantanomo but it won't happen when he says. He promised to end the Iraq war but it's still going, and he's hedging his bets on Afghanistan as soldiers die around his hesitant decision. And they give him a fucking award for accomplishing NOTHING? Hell, at least GWB took out Saddam and tons of Al Qaeda to go along with him.
Congrats Jim - you should now be held in high esteem with libs liek Viregil. You care and that is all that matters
Now, if you support tax increases to make those dreams become reality - man he would really become a hardcore supporter of yours
Here are a few things I would like to accomplish before I die:
1- Get rid of all nukes
2- Stop all wars
3- Give poor lots of money to survive
4- Make everyone love one another
Nevermind that these are just things I WANT to accomplish, but haven't actually accomplished one damn thing yet - I deserve the peace award for my beautiful visions!
And that's what happened here. Obama talks a good talk but the FACTS of the matter are that he hasn't accomplished jack shit yet to ear this award. He's fighting 2 wars, Israel & Palestine are still killing one another, Al Qaeda and Bin Laden are publicly laughing at him, Iran is developing nukes.... He promised to close guantanomo but it won't happen when he says. He promised to end the Iraq war but it's still going, and he's hedging his bets on Afghanistan as soldiers die around his hesitant decision. And they give him a fucking award for accomplishing NOTHING? Hell, at least GWB took out Saddam and tons of Al Qaeda to go along with him.
Sounds like presidential material to me.
Lulz, he's getting it cus...
"Obama's award shows great things are expected from him in the coming years"
Great things are expected of me in the next few years and uni...so can i has my BA Degree now pl0x?
red states rule
10-09-2009, 08:35 AM
Lulz, he's getting it cus...
"Obama's award shows great things are expected from him in the coming years"
Great things are expected of me in the next few years and uni...so can i has my BA Degree now pl0x?
The Hope and Change Express is not living up to the hype - and many voters are seeing Obama for what he is
A fake and a fraud
But the liberal media is still defending him, and pushing his tax and spend agenda on a daily basis
Lulz, he's getting it cus...
"Obama's award shows great things are expected from him in the coming years"
Great things are expected of me in the next few years and uni...so can i has my BA Degree now pl0x?
LOL. He got elected to the office of President of the United States of America for the very same reason! This guy has set a whole new standard! Hey maybe there's an award for that!
red states rule
10-09-2009, 08:37 AM
LOL. He got elected to the office of President of the United States of America for the very same reason! This guy has set a whole new standard! Hey maybe there's an award for that!
I wonder if Obama will hold a press conference and say he inheritied the Nobel Prize from the previous Bush administration - like he says he did with the economy and the wars
red states rule
10-09-2009, 08:45 AM
Gicving Obama the Nobel Prize is like giving the Detroit Lions the Steeler's Super Bowl trophy
If makes the Lions look better , but it does not change the fact they still stink on the football field
namvet
10-09-2009, 08:47 AM
When Jimmie Carter won it that was a low. When Yassar Arafat won it, that was arguably a new low, and now for selling out his country, for apologizing to our enemies, for obstructing our interests, the Nobel Price Committee has hit rock bottom.
The Nobel committee's decision was motivated by Obama's initiatives to reduce nuclear arms, ease tensions with the Muslim world and stress diplomacy and cooperation rather than unilateralism.
and obviously he failed totally. what a fuckin joke. guess they couldn't find Bin Laden so Osama was number two on the list
is he going to get a prize for murdering our kids in Afghanistan to ????
red states rule
10-09-2009, 08:52 AM
When Jimmie Carter won it that was a low. When Yassar Arafat won it, that was arguably a new low, and now for selling out his country, for apologizing to our enemies, for obstructing our interests, the Nobel Price Committee has hit rock bottom.
The Nobel committee's decision was motivated by Obama's initiatives to reduce nuclear arms, ease tensions with the Muslim world and stress diplomacy and cooperation rather than unilateralism.
and obviously he failed totally. what a fuckin joke. guess they couldn't find Bin Laden so Osama was number two on the list
is he going to get a prize for murdering our kids in Afghanistan to ????
So now the Nobel Prize is awarded for PROMISES and not accomplishments. How fitting for a liberal and his Kool AIde drunk liberal drones
Nukeman
10-09-2009, 09:00 AM
Lulz, he's getting it cus...
"Obama's award shows great things are expected from him in the coming years"
Great things are expected of me in the next few years and uni...so can i has my BA Degree now pl0x?
LOL hell why stop with a BA get your masters. I'm sure your going to work for it later........ right?????????????:dance:
red states rule
10-09-2009, 09:10 AM
Someone at the AP will lose their job over this. Someone asking what did Obama do to earn this award?
Obama won Peace Prize -- but for what?
ASSOCIATED PRESS
Last Updated: 9:39 AM, October 9, 2009
Posted: 8:16 AM, October 9, 2009
WASHINGTON — The awarding of the Nobel Peace Price to President Barack Obama landed with a shock on darkened, still-asleep Washington. He won! For what?
For one of America’s youngest presidents, in office less than nine months — and only for 12 days before the Nobel nomination deadline last February — it was an enormous honor.
The prize seems to be more for Obama’s promise than for his performance. Work on the president’s ambitious agenda, both at home and abroad, is barely underway, much less finished. He has no standout moment of victory that would seem to warrant a verdict as sweeping as that issued by the Nobel committee.
And what about peace? Obama is running two wars in the Muslim world — in Iraq and Afghanistan — and can’t get a climate change bill through his own Congress.
His scorecard for the year is largely an “incomplete,” if he’s being graded.
He banned torture and other extreme interrogation techniques for terrorists. But he also promised to close the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, a source of much distaste for the U.S. around the world, a difficult task that now seems headed to miss his own January 2010 deadline.
He said he would end the Iraq war. But he has been slow to bring the troops home and the real end of the U.S. military presence there won’t come until at least 2012, and that’s only if both the U.S. and Iraq stick to their current agreement about American troop withdrawals.
He has pushed for new efforts to make peace between the Israelis and Palestinians. But he’s received little cooperation from the two sides.
He said he wants a nuclear-free world. But it’s one thing to telegraph the desire, in a speech in Prague in April, and quite another to unite other nations and U.S. lawmakers behind the web of treaties and agreements needed to make that reality.
He has said that battling climate change is a priority. But the U.S. seems likely to head into crucial international negotiations set for Copenhagen in December with legislation still stalled in Congress.
And what about Obama’s global prestige? It seemed to take a big hit last week when he jetted across the Atlantic to lobby for Chicago to get the 2016 Olympics — and was rejected with a last-place finish.
Perhaps for the Nobel committee, merely altering the tone out of Washington toward the rest of the world is enough. Obama got much attention for his speech from Cairo reaching out a U.S. hand to the world’s Muslims. His remarks at the U.N. General Assembly last month set down new markers for the way the U.S. works with the world.
But still ... ?
Obama aides seemed as surprised at the news as everyone else, not even aware he had been nominated along with a record 204 others. Awoken by press secretary Robert Gibbs about an hour after the vote was announced, the White House says the president responded that he was humbled to be only the third sitting U.S. president to win.
The award could be as much about issuing a slap at Obama’s predecessor, former President George W. Bush, as about lauding Obama. Bush was reviled by the world for his cowboy diplomacy, Iraq war and snubbing of European priorities like global warming. Remember that the Nobel prize has a long history of being awarded more for the committee’s aspirations than for others’ accomplishments — for Mideast peace or a better South Africa, for instance.
In those cases, the prize is awarded to encourage those who receive it to see the effort through, sometimes at critical moments.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/obama_won_peace_prize_but_for_what_Bv3V5NWsO9ulNBi UnFaWfM
red states rule
10-09-2009, 09:20 AM
clearly, since they cited his speech in Cairo, they took more into consideration than simply his first two weeks in office. Again... what was factually inaccurate in their statement?
The people who choose the winner of the Nobel prize are far left kooks who would feel right at home at the Daily Kos
As I pointed out before, Obama went round the world trashing the US. He said how rotten America was and is - and how sorry he was for his country
Obama supports the Useless NAtions and all their worthles executive orders
He sucks up to and praises dictators.
These are the kind of people who are held in high esteem with the Nobel Prize committee and who win their awards
Accomplishments mean nothing to them anymore - only that they hate America and have no probelm openly saying so
maineman
10-09-2009, 09:37 AM
Again, the whole thing is inaccurate. All I can say is that the committee's standards are pretty damn low. One speech does not make a leader of world peace, I don't care how you try to spin this, skippy. I know you believe that hypocricy is good character trait but this a stretch even for you.
Not to worry though, I hear the Roman Catholic Church is about to make him the world's only living saint. They found his baptism and confirmation certificates while they were looking for his birth certificate.
you say that the whole thing is inaccurate, but I am not sure you are using that word correctly. What factual statement did they make that was false?
If, for example, they had said that Obama had given a major speech reaching out to the hindus of the world in New Delhi, that would have been factually inaccurate.
What did they say that was inaccurate? simple question... it begs for a simple answer.
you say that the whole thing is inaccurate, but I am not sure you are using that word correctly. What factual statement did they make that was false?
If, for example, they had said that Obama had given a major speech reaching out to the hindus of the world in New Delhi, that would have been factually inaccurate.
What did they say that was inaccurate? simple question... it begs for a simple answer.
Here is your simple answer...THE WHOLE THING. I don't care what the committee wrote. It is clear to me that Obama has done NOTHING that merits such an award other than to state his good intentions. I will continue to be convinced that the award was meritless and that Nobel Prize has become a sham.
You may not agree but that is my stance. I've played this silly semantics game with you before and it is a waste of time for both of us. The words may be grammatically correct and no doubt used with the proper definitions but the entire thing is clearly an attempt to make folks believe something that is not true. I know you hold the belief that lies and hypocricy are just fine as long as it supports your position (because you told me so yourself) but I do not. The word "integrity" means something to me if not to you.
This thread will soon be relegated to the Steel Cage anyway so any further discussion is pointless.
stephanie
10-09-2009, 09:58 AM
good gawd, make it stop repeating the same shit over and over...:eek:
What did they say that was inaccurate?
namvet
10-09-2009, 10:02 AM
the Nukes are still there. FAIL
peace with the ragheads??? they tried to murder him. the terrorists murdered many after he left EPIC FAIL
good gawd, make it stop repeating the same shit over and over...:eek:
If nothing else, MM loves to play semantics over substance.
maineman
10-09-2009, 10:11 AM
Here is your simple answer...THE WHOLE THING. I don't care what the committee wrote. It is clear to me that Obama has done NOTHING that merits such an award other than to state his good intentions. I will continue to be convinced that the award was meritless and that Nobel Prize has become a sham.
You may not agree but that is my stance. I've played this silly semantics game with you before and it is a waste of time for both of us. The words may be grammatically correct and no doubt used with the proper definitions but the entire thing is clearly an attempt to make folks believe something that is not true. I know you hold the belief that lies and hypocricy are just fine as long as it supports your position (because you told me so yourself) but I do not. The word "integrity" means something to me if not to you.
This thread will soon be relegated to the Steel Cage anyway so any further discussion is pointless.
your opinion is your opinion.... the fact that you cannot point to anything factually inaccurate and continue to repeat your opinion over and over instead is telling. You may not agree with the importance that the committee placed on the facts that they listed, but they were hardly FALSE.
your opinion is your opinion.... the fact that you cannot point to anything factually inaccurate and continue to repeat your opinion over and over instead is telling. You may not agree with the importance that the committee placed on the facts that they listed, but they were hardly FALSE.
Yeah, yeah...tell yourself whatever you need to. Did he give a speech...yep. Did it have an impact on world peace?....nope. Your insistence in perpetrating an obvious attempt at deceit is also telling, no matter how you cloak it. Bronzed dogshit is still dogshit.
namvet
10-09-2009, 10:16 AM
it was not based on accomplishments. it was based on race.
it was not based on accomplishments. it was based on race.
If only it were that simple! I could almost understand that.
red states rule
10-09-2009, 10:27 AM
your opinion is your opinion.... the fact that you cannot point to anything factually inaccurate and continue to repeat your opinion over and over instead is telling. You may not agree with the importance that the committee placed on the facts that they listed, but they were hardly FALSE.
Once again you prove my point right when I said actually accomplishments mean nothing to liberal - only their good intentions
theHawk
10-09-2009, 10:28 AM
I have no doubt its to help him politically. His poll numbers have been too low.
This will also give him "momentum" to force his socialist agenda upon America. Thats what the international community really wants to see.
red states rule
10-09-2009, 10:30 AM
I have no doubt its to help him politically. His poll numbers have been too low.
This will also give him "momentum" to force his socialist agenda upon America. Thats what the international community really wants to see.
He already has the support of the kook base. To them he can do nothing wrong. Virgil is Exhibit One on that fact
This award will not help with those who already see him as a total failure. I doubt it will help him with Independents who are also asking "WHY"?
stephanie
10-09-2009, 10:30 AM
OMG, HE'S ON THE T.V. AGAIN....rambling on and on and on...
he can't even get up there and just say, thanks...
though he should of said no thanks I haven't done anything and don't deserve this...what a joke:lame2:
red states rule
10-09-2009, 10:36 AM
OMG, HE'S ON THE T.V. AGAIN....rambling on and on and on...
he can't even get up there and just say, thanks...
though he should of said no thanks I haven't done anything and don't deserve this...what a joke:lame2:
The kool aide drinkiers actuall think Obama has done something. He has not pulled out oif Iraq, he has not closed GITMO, he has not sent more troops on the ground to Afghanistan - so what the hell has he actually done?
red states rule
10-09-2009, 10:47 AM
and perhaps Obama will win an Oscar for best acting job for playing the role of a humble man who says he does not deserve the Nobel Prize
The committee just as well could have said "We are awarding the Peace prize to Obama because the earth revolves around the sun and it snows in some places on the Earth in the winter." Factually correct (as MM points out). Hardly justification for awarding the peace prize but hey, it's their decision.
If Obama accepts the cash award he should be impeached for taking bribes...
:coffee:
maineman
10-09-2009, 10:49 AM
Yeah, yeah...tell yourself whatever you need to. Did he give a speech...yep. Did it have an impact on world peace?....nope. Your insistence in perpetrating an obvious attempt at deceit is also telling, no matter how you cloak it. Bronzed dogshit is still dogshit.
passing partisan opinion off as fact is unbronzed dogshit, imho.
passing partisan opinion off as fact is unbronzed dogshit, imho.
Now that is funny! Typical of you but still funny.
red states rule
10-09-2009, 10:53 AM
The committee just as well could have said "We are awarding the Peace prize to Obama because the earth revolves around the sun and it snows in some places on the Earth in the winter." Factually correct (as MM points out). Hardly justification for awarding the peace prize but hey, it's their decision.
If Obama accepts the cash award he should be impeached for taking bribes...
:coffee:
and the DNC goes into spin and attack mode at the same time
DNC: GOP Has Thrown In With 'Terrorists -- Taliban and Hamas' in Opposing Obama's Nobel
By Tim Graham (Bio | Archive)
October 9, 2009 - 11:07 ET
While two reporters -- Washington Post White House reporter Michael Fletcher and Wall Street Journal Executive Washington Editor Gerald Seib -- criticized RNC Chairman Michael Steele this morning on NPR's Diane Rehm show for issuing a statement against Obama after the Nobel Peace Prize win, will reporters forward and criticize this, from the CNN Political Ticker?
A Democratic National Committee spokesman said Friday the GOP has "thrown in its lot with the terrorists" in criticizing the president's Nobel Peace Prize award.
“The Republican Party has thrown in its lot with the terrorists – the Taliban and Hamas this morning – in criticizing the President for receiving the Nobel Peace prize," DNC Communications Director Brad Woodhouse said in a statement.
"Republicans cheered when America failed to land the Olympics and now they are criticizing the President of the United States for receiving the Nobel Peace prize – an award he did not seek but that is nonetheless an honor in which every American can take great pride – unless of course you are the Republican Party," the statement also said. "The 2009 version of the Republican Party has no boundaries, has no shame and has proved that they will put politics above patriotism at every turn. It's no wonder only 20 percent of Americans admit to being Republicans anymore – it's an embarrassing label to claim.”
But CNN also reports that some in Hamas are congratulating Obama, since he is no Bush:
Hamas official Ahmed Yousef also congratulated Obama, "though it is early for him to be awarded this prize."
"He reached out to the Muslim world in his Cairo speech and said many of the right things" and said, "this is a man who thinks of achieving world peace."
He said he believes Obama represents a "new era in American politics," but thinks "the president has done nothing to push forward peace between Israeli and Palestinians" even though the "intention is there...it is an uphill battle with the Jewish lobby and Congress."
"We know he is somebody different from past leaders who supported Israel economically and militarily," Yousef said.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2009/10/09/dnc-gop-has-thrown-terrorists-taliban-hamas-opposing-obamas-nobel
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red states rule
10-09-2009, 10:55 AM
passing partisan opinion off as fact is unbronzed dogshit, imho.
Hey Virgil, even Obama lapdogs are asking questions.
NBC's Lauer: Not to Be Rude, But Obama Hasn't Done Anything
By Rich Noyes (Bio | Archive)
October 9, 2009 - 10:37 ET
Even Barack Obama’s fan club on NBC’s Today were stunned at the President’s winning of the Nobel Peace Prize. Co-host Matt Lauer found it baffling: “We’re less than a year into the first term of this president and there are no -- I'm not trying to be, you know, rude here -- no major foreign policy achievements, to date.”
Meet the Press moderator David Gregory felt the need to point out the “left-leaning” impulse of the Europeans who christened Obama as the world’s leading peacemaker for 2009: “This is a lot more about tone than it is substantive accomplishment. In many ways, this is a European body who is more left-leaning, certainly, and opposed to the administration of George W. Bush.”
Lauer followed up: “So, what you're saying in some ways and, again, not to be rude here or sarcastic, that in some ways he wins this award for not being George W. Bush?”
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2009/10/09/nbcs-lauer-not-be-rude-obama-hasnt-done-anything
red states rule
10-09-2009, 11:03 AM
and alot of racists are out there asking the same question over this "win" for Obama
WHY?
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maineman
10-09-2009, 11:12 AM
Now that is funny! Typical of you but still funny.
in your opinion he does not deserve it. you somehow twist that around to say that the nobel prize committee factually mistated Obama's accomplishments.
That IS funny... in a sad and pathetic sort of way. ;)
red states rule
10-09-2009, 11:15 AM
in your opinion he does not deserve it. you somehow twist that around to say that the nobel prize committee factually mistated Obama's accomplishments.
That IS funny... in a sad and pathetic sort of way. ;)
Allow me to set the record straight Virgil
How to Win the Nobel Peace Prize In 12 Days
Let’s take a look at the president’s first 12 days in the White House according to his public schedule to see what he did to deserve a Nobel Peace Prize.
January 20: Sworn in as president. Went to a parade. Partied.
January 21: Asked bureaucrats to re-write guidelines for information requests. Held an “open house” party at the White House.
January 22: Signed Executive Orders: Executive Branch workers to take ethics pledge; re-affirmed Army Field Manual techniques for interrogations; expressed desire to close Gitmo (how’s that working out?)
January 23: Ordered the release of federal funding to pay for abortions in foreign countries. Lunch with Joe Biden; met with Tim Geithner.
January 24: Budget meeting with economic team.
January 25: Skipped church.
January 26: Gave speech about jobs and energy. Met with Hillary Clinton. Attended Geithner's swearing in ceremony.
January 27: Met with Republicans. Spoke at a clock tower in Ohio.
January 28: Economic meetings in the morning, met with Defense secretary in the afternoon.
January 29: Signed Ledbetter Bill overturning Supreme Court decision on lawsuits over wages. Party in the State Room. Met with Biden.
January 30: Met economic advisers. Gave speech on Middle Class Working Families Task Force. Met with senior enlisted military officials.
January 31: Took the day off.
February 1: Skipped church. Threw a Super Bowl party.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/10/09/tommy-seno-obama-nobel-prize-win/
xav8terx
10-09-2009, 11:24 AM
Now that is funny! Typical of you but still funny.
Yet very, very true. Man, so how bad does it suck supporting the right? :dance::slap: :salute:
Why do you douche bags hate america anyway?
xav8terx
10-09-2009, 11:25 AM
Allow me to set the record straight Virgil
How to Win the Nobel Peace Prize In 12 Days
Let’s take a look at the president’s first 12 days in the White House according to his public schedule to see what he did to deserve a Nobel Peace Prize.
January 20: Sworn in as president. Went to a parade. Partied.
January 21: Asked bureaucrats to re-write guidelines for information requests. Held an “open house” party at the White House.
January 22: Signed Executive Orders: Executive Branch workers to take ethics pledge; re-affirmed Army Field Manual techniques for interrogations; expressed desire to close Gitmo (how’s that working out?)
January 23: Ordered the release of federal funding to pay for abortions in foreign countries. Lunch with Joe Biden; met with Tim Geithner.
January 24: Budget meeting with economic team.
January 25: Skipped church.
January 26: Gave speech about jobs and energy. Met with Hillary Clinton. Attended Geithner's swearing in ceremony.
January 27: Met with Republicans. Spoke at a clock tower in Ohio.
January 28: Economic meetings in the morning, met with Defense secretary in the afternoon.
January 29: Signed Ledbetter Bill overturning Supreme Court decision on lawsuits over wages. Party in the State Room. Met with Biden.
January 30: Met economic advisers. Gave speech on Middle Class Working Families Task Force. Met with senior enlisted military officials.
January 31: Took the day off.
February 1: Skipped church. Threw a Super Bowl party.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/10/09/tommy-seno-obama-nobel-prize-win/
Hmmm...theres a time requirement for it? You have to be president to win it?? Nope, you righties are just pissed a Democrat...AGAIN...wins it!!! Oh, i so love this!!! :coffee:
red states rule
10-09-2009, 11:26 AM
Yet very, very true. Man, so how bad does it suck supporting the right? :dance::slap: :salute:
Why do you douche bags hate america anyway?
It was Obama who went around the world telling other nations what a rotten place America
red states rule
10-09-2009, 11:27 AM
Hmmm...theres a time requirement for it? You have to be president to win it?? Nope, you righties are just pissed a Democrat...AGAIN...wins it!!! Oh, i so love this!!! :coffee:
Eh, the deadline to be nominated was FEB !, 2009
Obama had 12 days in office son. Please read up on the facts beofre trying to engage with adults
jimnyc
10-09-2009, 11:30 AM
Hmmm...theres a time requirement for it? You have to be president to win it?? Nope, you righties are just pissed a Democrat...AGAIN...wins it!!! Oh, i so love this!!! :coffee:
I'd be embarrassed if a Republican won this award under the same circumstances. People aren't stupid and half the world is questioning this decision, not just the US. Even ardent supporters of Obama are stating that he hasn't had time yet to earn this award, that what he done thus far is laid the groundwork for quite a few things but has actually accomplished ZILCH. It's not only an embarrassment to the whole peace prize process, but to every person who won one before who actually EARNED it. To give the award to someone who has yet to accomplish a single thing thus far towards any peace is actually comical. Words shouldn't win you these awards, actions should, and quite simple, which NO ONE can dispute, he hasn't accomplished jack shit on this front to date.
stephanie
10-09-2009, 11:37 AM
Hmmm...theres a time requirement for it? You have to be president to win it?? Nope, you righties are just pissed a Democrat...AGAIN...wins it!!! Oh, i so love this!!! :coffee:
I see we got a new troll..
sounds just like all the others Obamabot Democrats parrots...polly wanna cracker..?
red states rule
10-09-2009, 12:19 PM
I'd be embarrassed if a Republican won this award under the same circumstances. People aren't stupid and half the world is questioning this decision, not just the US. Even ardent supporters of Obama are stating that he hasn't had time yet to earn this award, that what he done thus far is laid the groundwork for quite a few things but has actually accomplished ZILCH. It's not only an embarrassment to the whole peace prize process, but to every person who won one before who actually EARNED it. To give the award to someone who has yet to accomplish a single thing thus far towards any peace is actually comical. Words shouldn't win you these awards, actions should, and quite simple, which NO ONE can dispute, he hasn't accomplished jack shit on this front to date.
Remember Jim, the left always rewards the failures of their fellow liberals. Given how Obama's policies have worked so far, it is not a shock they are showering him with praise and now awards
hjmick
10-09-2009, 12:25 PM
The best that can be said about Obama winning this award under these circumstances is this, the Nobel committee is making a political statement. We didn't like the last guy. And this is not what the Nobel is for. The politicizing of the Nobel Prize does nothing but detract from the significance of the award. The committee's decision to honor Al Gore in 2007 rather than Irene Sendler was the beginning of the end to the award's meaning and relevance, today's announcement simply completes the journey. For anyone to defend the President's winning this award for any reason other than his accomplishments is asinine. But, because there are no accomplishments worthy of a Nobel under Obama's belt, you have no choice. Much like the Nobel committee, you do nothing but demean the prize and it's original intent.
According to Alfred Nobel's will, the Peace Prize should be awarded "to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."
I'm not sure that the speeches our President has given over the last nine months are worthy of the award, but I suppose that they technically qualify him to be in the running. Except for one thing: He was nominated during his first two weeks in office, no one had any way of knowing what he would be saying over the coming months!
Even President Obama says he is undeserving of the award. Sadly, however, his hubris will not allow him to do the right thing and refuse the award. That in and of itself is a gross embarrassment.
Is it a great honor to recieve the Nobel Peace Prize? It used to be. When the recipient had actually accomplished something.
Nowadays, I'm not so sure.
Anyone who believes that our President has done anything worthy of this once great honor, well, you're sadly mistaken.
In the end, all I can say is, congratulations Mr. President. Now maybe you can make a decision about your war in Afghanistan.
in your opinion he does not deserve it. you somehow twist that around to say that the nobel prize committee factually mistated Obama's accomplishments.
That IS funny... in a sad and pathetic sort of way. ;)
WHAT FRIKKIN ACCOMPLISHMENTS? That is my point...there are no accomplishments! Thinking or talking about about doing something is not ACCOMPLISHING anything (though I suppose even THINKING is an accomplishment for some).
Yet very, very true. Man, so how bad does it suck supporting the right? :dance::slap: :salute:
Why do you douche bags hate america anyway?
Amusing yourself are ya? I guess it beats masturbating.
How bad does it suck to be an idiot?:dance:
maineman
10-09-2009, 12:36 PM
WHAT FRIKKIN ACCOMPLISHMENTS? That is my point...there are no accomplishments! Thinking or talking about about doing something is not ACCOMPLISHING anything (though I suppose even THINKING is an accomplishment for some).
Alfred Nobel's will says that the peace prize should be given to the "person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations."
In the opinion of the prize committee, Obama's "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples" warranted giving him the award.
You can disagree all you want. It is the duty of the Nobel Prize Committee to follow the terms of Nobel's will to the best of their ability.
If you don't like it, I suggest that you give this year's "CSM Peace Prize" to someone else.
red states rule
10-09-2009, 12:38 PM
The best that can be said about Obama winning this award under these circumstances is this, the Nobel committee ismaking a political statement. We didn't like the last guy. And this is not what the Nobel is for. The politicizing of the Nobel Prize does nothing but detract from the significance of the award. The committee's decision to honor Al Gore in 2007 rather than Irene Sendler was the beginning of the end to the award's meaning and relevance, today's announcement simply completes the journey. For anyone to defend the President's winning this award for any reason other than his accomplishments is asinine. But, because there are no accomplishments worthy of a Nobel under Obama's belt, you have no choice. Much like the Nobel committee, you do nothing but demean the prize and it's original intent.
According to Alfred Nobel's will, the Peace Prize should be awarded "to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."
I'm not sure that the speeches our President has given over the last nine months are worthy of the award, but I suppose that they technically qualify him to be in the running. Except for one thing: He was nominated during his first two weeks in office, no one had any way of knowing what he would be saying over the coming months!
Even President Obama says he is undeserving of the award. Sadly, however, his hubris will not allow him to do the right thing and refuse the award. That in and of itself is a gross embarrassment.
Is it a great honor to recieve the Nobel Peace Prize? It used to be. When the recipient had actually accomplished something.
Nowadays, I'm not so sure.
Anyone who believes that our President has done anything worthy of this once great honor, well, you're sadly mistaken.
In the end, all I can say is, congratulations Mr. President. Now maybe you can make a decision about your war in Afghanistan.
The Nobel Peace Prize has now been made worthless.
Arafat, Gore, Carter and now Obama.
The first one was a murdering terrorist not even interested in peace but wholesale slaughter
Gore and Carter accomplished absolutely nothing at all.
The only thing all 4 have in common is their dislike for America
red states rule
10-09-2009, 12:39 PM
Alfred Nobel's will says that the peace prize should be given to the "person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations."
In the opinion of the prize committee, Obama's "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples" warranted giving him the award.
You can disagree all you want. It is the duty of the Nobel Prize Committee to follow the terms of Nobel's will to the best of their ability.
If you don't like it, I suggest that you give this year's "CSM Peace Prize" to someone else.
So now all those "Present" votes in the Senate have indeed counted for something after all
maineman
10-09-2009, 12:42 PM
So now all those "Present" votes in the Senate have indeed counted for something after all
I think that the prize committee was clearly looking at his outreach efforts - especially those aimed at the muslims of the world.
Again....disagree all you like, and be sure to give the "RedStatesRule Peace Prize" this year to someone you feel is more deserving. That is your right, just as it is the right of the Nobel Prize Committee to do what they did.
sorry.
Alfred Nobel's will says that the peace prize should be given to the "person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations."
In the opinion of the prize committee, Obama's "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples" warranted giving him the award.
You can disagree all you want. It is the duty of the Nobel Prize Committee to follow the terms of Nobel's will to the best of their ability.
If you don't like it, I suggest that you give this year's "CSM Peace Prize" to someone else.
LOL...all true.
It brings the Nobel Peace Prize on the same par as the "CSM Peace Prize". It wont change the fact that their award is meritless. Too bad the Nobel Prize Committee's "ability" is so limited. The only difference between their opinion and mine is that my opinion is based on "merit" and theirs is based bullshit.
red states rule
10-09-2009, 12:45 PM
I think that the prize committee was clearly looking at his outreach efforts - especially those aimed at the muslims of the world.
Again....disagree all you like, and be sure to give the RedStatesRule Peace Prize this year to someone you feel is more deserving. That is your right, just as it is the right of the Nobel Prize Committee to do what they did.
sorry.
So lets see
Ronald Reagan bring down the Soviet Union without firing a shot - NO AWARD
George W Bush - keeps America safe and takes out Saddam, liberates Iraq - NO AWARD
Obama- talks a good game, but accomplishes nothing - Gets the award
OK Virgil, now we know what it takes to win. Talk about peace, but accomplish NOTHING
maineman
10-09-2009, 12:50 PM
So lets see
Ronald Reagan bring down the Soviet Union without firing a shot - NO AWARD
George W Bush - keeps America safe and takes out Saddam, liberates Iraq - NO AWARD
Obama- talks a good game, but accomplishes nothing - Gets the award
OK Virgil, now we know what it takes to win. Talk about peace, but accomplish NOTHING
again...red... take it up with the nobel prize committee. I didn't give out the award,, they did. In their view, Obama deserved the award this year.
Did you complain when 32 year old Mairead Corrigan won it in 1976?
maineman
10-09-2009, 12:52 PM
LOL...all true.
It brings the Nobel Peace Prize on the same par as the "CSM Peace Prize". It wont change the fact that their award is meritless. Too bad the Nobel Prize Committee's "ability" is so limited. The only difference between their opinion and mine is that my opinion is based on "merit" and theirs is based bullshit.
and, don't forget...THEIR opinion results in the awarding of the Nobel Prize.
YOUR opinion results in the awarding of the CSM prize.
Most folks around the world consider the former to be much more prestigious than the latter.
red states rule
10-09-2009, 12:53 PM
again...red... take it up with the nobel prize committee. I didn't give out the award,, they did. In their view, Obama deserved the award this year.
Did you complain when 32 year old Mairead Corrigan won it in 1976?
So, you have liberals heaping priaise on liberals. The facts are there and are so clear even YOU can't spin them Virgil
They have now taken what little credibility the Nobel Prize still had and threw it away
Obama did zip during his first 11 days in office to earn it - the fact he replaced Pres Bush, and he is black are the ONLY reasons he got it
maineman
10-09-2009, 12:56 PM
So, you have liberals heaping priaise on liberals. The facts are there and are so clear even YOU can't spin them Virgil
They have now taken what little credibility the Nobel Prize still had and threw it away
Obama did zip during his first 11 days in office to earn it - the fact he replaced Pres Bush, and he is black are the ONLY reasons he got it
that is your opinion. as it turns out, most of the world considers the Nobel Peace Prize to continue to be quite prestigious. Did you see where Hamid Karzai said he thought that the award was very appropriate and well deserved? And clearly, they gave him the award for work extending past the first eleven days.
red states rule
10-09-2009, 01:02 PM
that is your opinion. as it turns out, most of the world considers the Nobel Peace Prize to continue to be quite prestigious. Did you see where Hamid Karzai said he thought that the award was very appropriate and well deserved? And clearly, they gave him the award for work extending past the first eleven days.
This sums it up Virgil - for those dealing with facts and reality. Which leaves you on the outside looking in
Obama's Nobel Is Premature, Historians and Political Scientists Say
The awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize to President Obama is an "embarrassment" to the process, a presidential historian told FOXNews.com.
Giving President Obama the Nobel Peace Prize is a "premature canonization" and an "embarrassment" to the process of designating a laureate, a presidential historian says.
"The jury is still out as to what his presidency is going to add up to," Fred Greenstein, author and professor of politics emeritus at Princeton University, told FOXNews.com.
"It's more of an embarrassment to the Nobel process."
President Obama said Friday he was "most surprised and deeply humbled" to win the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize, adding that he accepts the honor as "a call to action to confront the common challenges of the 21st century."
In a brief statement in the White House Rose Garden on Friday, the president said he does not "view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments," but rather as a recognition of goals he has set for the United States and the world.
"I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many transformative figures that have been honored by this prize," he said.
Obama will go to Oslo in December to accept the honor, which includes a $1.4 million award, Norway's prime minister said.
Greenstein said Obama is unlikely to gain any political advantage from the award, and it is unlikely to lead to any major policy changes.
Only two other sitting presidents, Theodore Roosevelt in 1906 and Woodrow Wilson in 1919, have been awarded the prestigious Peace Prize. Roosevelt was honored largely for brokering an agreement between Russia and China, and Wilson took the award for his role in ending World War I and creating the League of Nations.
It's far too early to compare Obama to either of his predecessors, said Allan Lichtman, professor of history at American University.
"They're not comparable," Lichtman said. "[Roosevelt and Wilson] were six or seven years into two-term presidencies, and Obama has not completed a single year of his presidency, so it makes very little sense."
Obama possesses a great deal of "promise," but the jury is still out, Lichtman said.
"It remains to be seen what his foreign policy legacy will be," he said. "It is premature. This was to encourage rather than to recognize an accomplished fact."
The award might even become a "political headache" for Obama, Lichtman said.
"On the one hand, his liberal base will be pushing him to live up to this," he said. "And his Republican critics will say a bunch of Scandinavians socialists have given this award to another socialist. You'll hear quite a bit of criticism from the right."
Stephen Wayne, professor of American government at Georgetown University, praised Obama's "good instincts" and strong belief in diplomacy, but said he failed to see accomplishments that merited the prize.
"It does seem to me, at this point, that's its premature," Wayne said. "When I first saw it, I thought it was a joke. Obama may have been the first to get it for his rhetoric and his orientation."
Wayne said he was "startled" to learn Obama had been nominated for the award less than two weeks into his presidency.
"What had he done by February? He had been the first African-American elected president and provided sawing rhetoric," Wayne said. "In one sense, Obama has always been more popular in Europe than in the United States. That popularity is based in part on the contrast he provides to former President George W. Bush, who was not popular in Europe. I am very favorable toward President Obama, but this prize is a surprise to me."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/09/nobel-prize-obama-embarrassment-process-expert-says/
DragonStryk72
10-09-2009, 01:10 PM
Obama wins Nobel Prize? Fow what? What did he do in the 2 weeks he was in office to earn it? What did he do to get the nomination?
President Barack Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
Stunning choice made Obama the third sitting president to win the Nobel Peace Prize and shocked observers because Obama took office less than two weeks before the nomination deadline
President Barack Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday for "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples," the Norwegian Nobel Committee said, citing his outreach to the Muslim world and attempts to curb nuclear proliferation.
The stunning choice made Obama the third sitting U.S. president to win the Nobel Peace Prize and shocked Nobel observers because Obama took office less than two weeks before the Feb. 1 nomination deadline. Obama's name had been mentioned in speculation before the award but many Nobel watchers believed it was too early to award the president.
"Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future," the committee said. "His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population."
The committee said it attached special importance to Obama's vision of, and work for, a world without nuclear weapons.
"Obama has as president created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play," the committee said.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/09/president-barack-obama-wins-nobel-peace-prize/
So, two weeks of not having his head up his ass on foreign policy is no the quality point for the nobel prize? christ, I should have it then, I mean, seriously, I've haven't pissed off a single country in the whole world in 30 years. Is this really on the same level of Martin Luther King, Jr.?
maineman
10-09-2009, 01:10 PM
you really are incapable of carrying on a discussion using your own brain to create your own words, thoughts and ideas, aren't you? you answer every post with either one liner Limbaugh talking point retreads or cut and paste crap from someone else.
pathetic.
Did YOU see the list of the 203 people and organizations nominated for the prize this year? I didn't. I have no doubt that there are MANY people and organizations who were exceptionally qualified to be given the award. It is, however, not MY decision and it is not yours either. Was I surprised that Obama won? Of course. Do I think he was the most deserving of all those nominated? I can't say as I don't know who they were. Is this a great honor for our president and for our country? yes
the fact that you would take this opportunity to denigrate him only shows what a partisan hack you are and how much you value your party over your country.
And clearly, they gave him the award for work extending past the first eleven days.
Clearly that is the issue...they awarded the prize on hope and a promise rather than real accomplishment but, hey, if that is what the Nobel Prize is going to be based on then so be it.
I would expect the nominee's list to be HUGE in the future given that to be the basis for future awards.
red states rule
10-09-2009, 01:13 PM
you really are incapable of carrying on a discussion using your own brain to create your own words, thoughts and ideas, aren't you? you answer every post with either one liner Limbaugh talking point retreads or cut and paste crap from someone else.
pathetic.
Did YOU see the list of the 203 people and organizations nominated for the prize this year? I didn't. I have no doubt that there are MANY people and organizations who were exceptionally qualified to be given the award. It is, however, not MY decision and it is not yours either. Was I surprised that Obama won? Of course. Do I think he was the most deserving of all those nominated? I can't say as I don't know who they were. Is this a great honor for our president and for our country? yes
the fact that you would take this opportunity to denigrate him only shows what a partisan hack you are and how much you value your party over your country.
Yep Virgil, those damn pesky facts keep getting in the way of your never ending praise of Obama
It is clear this clown did nothing to earn the award but to you that does not matter and should never enter the discussion
Much like how Bill Clinton never won. One could say he came close but no cigar
I use to think the award was for the lifetime of accomplishments, but now it is a liberal joke handed out by libs to libs and for the any damn reason they can think of
red states rule
10-09-2009, 01:15 PM
Clearly that is the issue...they awarded the prize on hope and a promise rather than real accomplishment but, hey, if that is what the Nobel Prize is going to be based on then so be it.
I would expect the nominee's list to be HUGE in the future given that to be the basis for future awards.
and yet the deadline to be nomionated for the award was FEB !, 2009
So Virgil is admitting they changed the rules so they could give him the award.
and yet the deadline to be nomionated for the award was FEB !, 2009
So Virgil is admitting they changed the rules so they could give him the award.
To be fair, I don't think they changed the rules or broke them. I just think they abused the original intent to make a political point. I certainly don't believe that your favorite poster will ever admit to anything...never mind this!
red states rule
10-09-2009, 01:21 PM
To be fair, I don't think they changed the rules or broke them. I just think they abused the original intent to make a political point. I certainly don't believe that your favorite poster will ever admit to anything...never mind this!
Well everyone else had until Feb 1, to get their name enetered for consideration
Seems to me Obama did nothing during those 11 days - let alone the last 9 months - to earn the award
BUt it was Virigl who said they gave it to him based on his time in office - and not up[ until Feb 1
So one could say they broke their own rules so they could give it to Obama
Well everyone else had until Feb 1, to get their name enetered for consideration
Seems to me Obama did nothing during those 11 days - let alone the last 9 months - to earn the award
BUt it was Virigl who said they gave it to him based on his time in office - and not up[ until Feb 1
So one could say they broke their own rules so they could give it to Obama
One could say that and would be very, very close to the truth. :laugh2:
maineman
10-09-2009, 01:24 PM
and yet the deadline to be nomionated for the award was FEB !, 2009
So Virgil is admitting they changed the rules so they could give him the award.
nothing in their rules states that they cannot consider accomplishments by nominees after february 1st. no rules were changed at all.
GW in Ohio
10-09-2009, 01:24 PM
So what was once a worthy achievement has been relegated to the equivalent of a popularity contest. Just one more item that has been twisted, distorted and broken by libs.
Yes, the liberals have destroyed everything.
Soon, they'll be coming for your guns. Better stock up.
:dev3::bye1::dev3:
red states rule
10-09-2009, 01:24 PM
One could say that and would be very, very close to the truth. :laugh2:
Sort of like a pro wrestling match. It is all up to the "booker" as far as who wins, and who loses
DragonStryk72
10-09-2009, 01:26 PM
you really are incapable of carrying on a discussion using your own brain to create your own words, thoughts and ideas, aren't you? you answer every post with either one liner Limbaugh talking point retreads or cut and paste crap from someone else.
pathetic.
Did YOU see the list of the 203 people and organizations nominated for the prize this year? I didn't. I have no doubt that there are MANY people and organizations who were exceptionally qualified to be given the award. It is, however, not MY decision and it is not yours either. Was I surprised that Obama won? Of course. Do I think he was the most deserving of all those nominated? I can't say as I don't know who they were. Is this a great honor for our president and for our country? yes
the fact that you would take this opportunity to denigrate him only shows what a partisan hack you are and how much you value your party over your country.
Really? He's really up there with Martin Luther King? Really? This completely destroys the whole point of the award, in that it is supposed to be extremely difficult to get. Something that people pull off truly great feats to attain. Obama was in office two weeks, what did he do?
red states rule
10-09-2009, 01:27 PM
Yes, the liberals have destroyed everything.
Soon, they'll be coming for your guns. Better stock up.
:dev3::bye1::dev3:
Well in 9 months libs have
Doubled the national debt
Tripled the annual deficit
Taken over the US car companies
and blamed Pres Bush for all of it
Yes, the liberals have destroyed everything.
Soon, they'll be coming for your guns. Better stock up.
:dev3::bye1::dev3:
Already stocked and anticipating the day ... in fact, can hardly wait!
maineman
10-09-2009, 01:29 PM
Really? He's really up there with Martin Luther King? Really? This completely destroys the whole point of the award, in that it is supposed to be extremely difficult to get. Something that people pull off truly great feats to attain. Obama was in office two weeks, what did he do?
what truly great feat, on par with MLKJr. did Mairead Corrigan attain in 1976?
what truly great feat, on par with MLKJr. did Mairead Corrigan attain in 1976?
Who cares? This thread isn't about Mairead Corrigan.
red states rule
10-09-2009, 01:31 PM
what truly great feat, on par with MLKJr. did Mairead Corrigan attain in 1976?
I guess that Beer Summit locked it up for The Chosen One
red states rule
10-09-2009, 01:32 PM
Who cares? This thread isn't about Mairead Corrigan.
Even Virgil can't list what Obama accomplished to EARN the award
That is how bad this situation is CSM
maineman
10-09-2009, 01:32 PM
Who cares? This thread isn't about Mairead Corrigan.
this thread is about how, in your opinion, the Nobel Prize Committee has, this very day, totally compromised the standards of the Nobel Peace Prize.
now...either answer my question or ignore it.
red states rule
10-09-2009, 01:33 PM
this thread is about how, in your opinion, the Nobel Prize Committee has, this very day, totally compromised the standards of the Nobel Peace Prize.
now...either answer my question or ignore it.
Maybe in YOUR mind it is Virgil. But this thread is about
Obama Wins Nobel Prize? FOR WHAT?
maineman
10-09-2009, 01:34 PM
Even Virgil can't list what Obama accomplished to EARN the award
That is how bad this situation is CSM
bad?
bad for whom?
our president just won the Nobel Peace Prize.
I guess you would have to hate america to think that having your president honored in such a way was a bad thing.
red states rule
10-09-2009, 01:36 PM
bad?
bad for whom?
our president just won the Nobel Peace Prize.
I guess you would have to hate america to think that having your president honored in such a way was a bad thing.
No, the President was handed a worthless award for doing and accomplishing NOTHING
It is Obama who has traveled around the world Virgil, telling other nations how rotten America is
We have dictators like Castro and Hugo singing his praises. Now maybe to a liberal hack like you that is a good thing - but to the rest of us it is a sad and bad situation
maineman
10-09-2009, 01:36 PM
Maybe in YOUR mind it is Virgil. But this thread is about
Obama Wins Nobel Prize? FOR WHAT?
and clearly, the answer to that question is:
"for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples"
THAT IS WHAT FOR!:lol:
maineman
10-09-2009, 01:38 PM
It is Obama who has traveled around the world Virgil, telling other nations how rotten America is
LIAR
show me ONE QUOTE from Obama where he told ANY OTHER NATION HOW ROTTEN AMERICA IS.
red states rule
10-09-2009, 01:38 PM
and clearly, the answer to that question is:
"for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples"
THAT IS WHAT FOR!:lol:
So he did that in 11 days?
Damn, it took GOd to create the universe in 6 days
Funny how the wars are still raging, terrorists are still attacking, GITMO is still open, and Iran is still building nukes
Oh I am sorry Virgil - I should not inject facts during your praise of Obama
red states rule
10-09-2009, 01:39 PM
LIAR
show me ONE QUOTE from Obama where he told ANY OTHER NATION HOW ROTTEN AMERICA IS.
Read his speeches Virgil and all his "I am sorry" comments
Hell, every Dem on the campaign trail tells us how rotten Amercia is - and ONLY THEY can fix it
this thread is about how, in your opinion, the Nobel Prize Committee has, this very day, totally compromised the standards of the Nobel Peace Prize.
They have compromised the standards and not just on this very day.
now...either answer my question or ignore it.
Those would seem to be the most reasonable options, however, if we are going to start giving orders to each other here's one for you:
"Now ... either agree that Obama has done nothing to deserve the Nobel Peace Prize or quit posting." I suspect that such a statement has about as much impact as yours.
As for the lady in question, she co-founded Women For Peace in Northern Ireland. I'll let those interested google her if they want to know more.
and clearly, the answer to that question is:
"for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples"
THAT IS WHAT FOR!:lol:
And that is the lie, in particular, the word "extraordinary". I know, you dont agree with that. Too bad. I am not going to debate the definition of the word with you or provide you a platform for espousing why you think giving a few speeches could be considered "exraordinary" effort.
red states rule
10-09-2009, 02:02 PM
And that is the lie, in particular, the word "extraordinary". I know, you dont agree with that. Too bad. I am not going to debate the definition of the word with you or provide you a platform for espousing why you think giving a few speeches could be considered "exraordinary" effort.
Well he did say America had the largest Muslim population in the world
That was an "extraordinary" statement to say the least - but in reality it was an outright lie
LIke most of Obama's statements
GW in Ohio
10-09-2009, 02:14 PM
Already stocked and anticipating the day ... in fact, can hardly wait!
Looking forward to shooting some liberals?
GW in Ohio
10-09-2009, 02:21 PM
No, the President was handed a worthless award for doing and accomplishing NOTHING
It is Obama who has traveled around the world Virgil, telling other nations how rotten America is
We have dictators like Castro and Hugo singing his praises. Now maybe to a liberal hack like you that is a good thing - but to the rest of us it is a sad and bad situation
The fact is, you hard-core right wingers would never admit that Obama had accomplished anything. If he parted the Red Sea, you'd be complaining about the ecological consequences of that. (Which would probably be the first time you ever complained about the ecological consequences of anything.
I think the Nobel Committee realized that the most powerful nation on earth finally has a president who realizes that in order for the US to prosper, we have to promote prosperity in every corner of the world.
The Committee recognized the fact that we finally have an American president who seems to give a shit about the rest of the world, instead of defining everything narrowly in terms of American interests, as George Bush and Dick Cheney did.
red states rule
10-09-2009, 02:21 PM
Looking forward to shooting some liberals?
As long he does not exceed his daily bag limit he will be fine
and lets not forget to credit Obama with 9.8% unemployment, even after he got his so called stimulus package passed
How is that hope and change going for you GW?
red states rule
10-09-2009, 02:23 PM
The fact is, you hard-core right wingers would never admit that Obama had accomplished anything. If he parted the Red Sea, you'd be complaining about the ecological consequences of that. (Which would probably be the first time you ever complained about the ecological consequences of anything.
I think the Nobel Committee realized that the most powerful nation on earth finally has a president who realizes that in order for the US to prosper, we have to promote prosperity in every corner of the world.
The Committee recognized the fact that we finally have an American president who seems to give a shit about the rest of the world, instead of defining everything narrowly in terms of American interests, as George Bush and Dick Cheney did.
Obama has a remarkable list of "accomplishments" in only 8 months GW bedisde the 9.8% unemployment rate
1. Offended the Queen of England
2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia
3. Praised the Marxist Daniel Ortega
4. Kissed Hugo Chavez on the cheek
5. Endorsed the Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia
6. Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions
7. Gave away billions to AIG, also without pre-conditions
8. Expanded the bailouts
9. Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian
10. Doubled our national debt
11. Announced a termination of the space defense system the day after the North Koreans launched an ICBM.
12. Despite the urgings of his own CIA director and the prior 42 CIA directors, released information on intelligence gathering. Announced major restrictions on interrogation techniques used on enemy combatant prisoners.
13. Accepted without public comment the fact that five of his cabinet members cheated on their taxes and two other appointees withdrew after they couldn’t take the heat.
14. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who quickly identified as “dangers to the nation” groups including veterans of the military, and opponents to abortion on demand, and who ordered that the word “terrorism” no longer be used but instead referred to such acts as “man made disasters.”
15. Circled the globe so he could openly apologize for America ’s shortcomings and sins.
16. Told Mexicans the violence in their country was mostly caused by illegal guns from the U.S.
17. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from its Department of Commerce origins and announced ACORN [the organization under massive scrutiny amid allegations of election fraud] would manage the process.
18. A ppointed as Attorney General the man who orchestrated the forced removal and expulsion from America to Cuba of a nine-year old whose mother died trying to bring him to a life of freedom in the United States .
19. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the Bush administration will likely stand trial for torturing a terrorist who had played a part in killing 3000 Americans by pouring water over his face.
20. On his watch, Air Force One flew over New York City for a photo op without notifying local authorities, causing widespread panic.
21. Took over the American Automobile industry and handed over 50% off to the unions [because he said he owed them] and appointed a czar with no experience of the automotive industry.
22. Continued his drive for abs olute gun control activities, thumbing his nose at the 2nd Amendment.
23. Offered travel and living subsidies in the U.S. to Hamas activists displaced from the Gaza Strip.
24. Got more airtime [TV] than Oprah Winfrey and was often out of Washington instead of tending to the real business of State.
25. Announced the closure of enemy combatants detention center in Guantanamo Bay , Cuba but failed to address the issue of ‘what’ to do with the 200+ prisoners currently held there. Rumors persist that they’ll be housed on U.S. soil, often parroted by the Attorney General.
26. Insists that a legally removed dictator in Honduras be reinstated.
27. Sent condolences to the family of Michael Jackson but not to the survivors of Marine Colonel Ed McMahon or Farrah Fawcett.
http://younggunconservative.com/2009...complishments/
stephanie
10-09-2009, 02:26 PM
The fact is, you hard-core right wingers would never admit that Obama had accomplished anything. If he parted the Red Sea, you'd be complaining about the ecological consequences of that. (Which would probably be the first time you ever complained about the ecological consequences of anything.
.
what did you hard core idiotic lefties find good that President Bush accomplished...?
just curious..
red states rule
10-09-2009, 02:27 PM
what did you hard core idiotic lefties find good that President Bush did...?
just curious..
He left office at 12:01 PM on Jan 20,2009
Monkeybone
10-09-2009, 02:28 PM
So i can promise and say and hope for things and win the Nobel Peace Prize? Hot Damn! I thought that I would have to accomplish something first!
Monkeybone
10-09-2009, 02:29 PM
So i can promise and say and hope for things and win the Nobel Peace Prize? Hot Damn! I thought that I would have to accomplish something first!
probably just a bunch of socialist run the thing so they gave it to another to make him seem legit in the things he wants to change... am i right? or am i right? :thumb:
red states rule
10-09-2009, 02:32 PM
So i can promise and say and hope for things and win the Nobel Peace Prize? Hot Damn! I thought that I would have to accomplish something first!
probably just a bunch of socialist run the thing so they gave it to another to make him seem legit in the things he wants to change... am i right? or am i right? :thumb:
But you also have to apologize and admit past mistakes on the behalf of America
That is the most important part of any resume to the Nobel folks
maineman
10-09-2009, 02:51 PM
Read his speeches Virgil and all his "I am sorry" comments
Hell, every Dem on the campaign trail tells us how rotten Amercia is - and ONLY THEY can fix it
so...you have NO quotes from Obama telling other nations how ROTTEN America is?
Why not just be a man and admit it?:laugh2:
red states rule
10-09-2009, 02:54 PM
so...you have NO quotes from Obama telling other nations how ROTTEN America is?
Why not just be a man and admit it?:laugh2:
VIrgil every Democrat has said how rotten America is. Acording to them we are a racist nation. We are an arogrant nation. We are a greedy nation
We are the reason other countries hate us
We are the proimary reason for the worlds problem
If you are going to lie once again and deny Dems have indeed saidf how rotten America is - well it is typical of you to do so
I have never heard any Democrat ever talk about AMerica like Pres Reagan and Pres George W Bush did. They talked about how great America is., How our best days lie ahead
Libs like Obama and you talk about how horrible a place America is, and how we need to change to fit other nations requirements of how the world should be
maineman
10-09-2009, 02:56 PM
VIrgil every Democrat has said how rotten America is. Acording to them we are a racist nation. We are an arogrant nation. We are a greedy nation
We are the reason other countries hate us
We are the proimary reason for the worlds problem
If you are going to lie once again and deny Dems have indeed saidf how rotten America is - well it is typical of you to do so
I have never heard any Democrat ever talk about AMerica like Pres Reagan and Pres George W Bush did. They talked about how great America is., How our best day are ahead of her
Libs like Obama and you talk about how hoirrible a palce Americ a is, and how we need to change to fit other nations requirements of how the world should be
liar.
You've got NO quotes from Obama or any other elected democrat that says that America is "rotten".
and you don't have the balls to admit it.
pathetic.
red states rule
10-09-2009, 02:59 PM
liar.
You've got NO quotes from Obama or any other elected democrat that says that America is "rotten".
and you don't have the balls to admit it.
pathetic.
and you also thumnped your chest and said Obamacre would NOT take three years to kick in
You got your as kicked on that one as well :laugh2:
You know as well as I do Virgil, Dems are constantly running down America, and the people who make this country great
You have to in order to get epople to buy into your premise that only government can make thier lives better
maineman
10-09-2009, 03:01 PM
you've got NO quotes from Obama or any other elected democrat that calls America ROTTEN.
And you don't have the balls to admit it.
you are really pathetic.
red states rule
10-09-2009, 03:05 PM
you've got NO quotes from Obama or any other elected democrat that calls America ROTTEN.
And you don't have the balls to admit it.
you are really pathetic.
and only you are claiming nevrer to have heard Obama nd most Dems run down this country Virgil
In time you will run away form this thread like you did wehen you were posting how Obamacare did NOT take three years to kick in
As with most things Virgil and most issues you face - it is only a matter of time before the truth comes out and you are exposed to bright blinding rays of reality
maineman
10-09-2009, 03:07 PM
and only you are claiming nevrer to have heard Obama nd most Dems run down this country Virgil
if you've got a quote to back up your assertion that Obama has told other nations that America is rotten, post it...
if not, stfu:lol:
red states rule
10-09-2009, 03:17 PM
if you've got a quote to back up your assertion that Obama has told other nations that America is rotten, post it...
if not, stfu:lol:
Getting testy again Virgil :lol:
"You got into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain
and
"I can no more disown (Jeremiah Wright) than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe." -- Barack Obama
maineman
10-09-2009, 03:24 PM
not testy....just bored.
you said that Obama told other nations that America was rotten.
Either you have a quote that says that, or you don't.
here's a hint.... the quote you post needs to have the word "rotten" being applied to "America"
Niether of those two quotes you just posted said anything of the sort.
you're a fucking broken record who can only spew the tripe you hear on talk radio. You are, and have always been, completely incapable of stringing three sentences together of your own creation. You are a pathetic cut and paste dittohead hack...
and you still have not answered my simple question in the McChrystal thread.
when will you?
avatar4321
10-09-2009, 03:27 PM
I'll bet if Dubya had won it in 2002 for doing his darnest to rid the world of those Al KAYda evildoers, you guys would have been dancin':lol:
I wouldnt have cared. At least then the award would have meant something. How can you award someone who has done absolutely nothing a peace prize? it's ridiculous. It mocks the entire concept of the prize. I mean let them man do something before you give him an award! Is that too much to ask?
red states rule
10-09-2009, 03:28 PM
and lets not forget MIchelle Obama and how she views America Virgil
"America is just downright mean." -- Michelle Obama
"For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction." -- Michelle Obama
"The realities are that, you know, as a black man, you know, Barack can get shot going to the gas station, you know." -- Michelle Obama
"The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more." -- Michelle Obama
"
red states rule
10-09-2009, 03:29 PM
not testy....just bored.
you said that Obama told other nations that America was rotten.
Either you have a quote that says that, or you don't.
here's a hint.... the quote you post needs to have the word "rotten" being applied to "America"
Niether of those two quotes you just posted said anything of the sort.
you're a fucking broken record who can only spew the tripe you hear on talk radio. You are, and have always been, completely incapable of stringing three sentences together of your own creation. You are a pathetic cut and paste dittohead hack...
and you still have not answered my simple question in the McChrystal thread.
when will you?
Yea and you sure ran like hell when you were busted on how Obamacre was going to take THREE YEARS TO GO INTO EFFECT
SEEMS THIS DITTO HEAD AND OTHERS SURE CHASED YOUR ASS OFF THAT THREAD :laugh2:
maineman
10-09-2009, 03:30 PM
I wouldnt have cared. At least then the award would have meant something. How can you award someone who has done absolutely nothing a peace prize? it's ridiculous. It mocks the entire concept of the prize. I mean let them man do something before you give him an award! Is that too much to ask?
"for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples"
THAT is what he did.
disagree? too bad. A whole host of world leaders disagree with YOU....do you think that, just maybe, you are letting your partisanship cloud your judment or even your patriotic pride at your president winning such an award?
red states rule
10-09-2009, 03:31 PM
"for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples"
THAT is what he did.
disagree? too bad. A whole host of world leaders disagree with YOU....do you think that, just maybe, you are letting your partisanship cloud your judment or even your patriotic pride at your president winning such an award?
Wow, all that in 11 days!!!
What were those extraordinary efforts again Virgil?
maineman
10-09-2009, 03:33 PM
Yea and you sure ran like hell when you were busted on how Obamacre was going to take THREE YEARS TO GO INTO EFFECT
SEEMS THIS DITTO HEAD AND OTHERS SURE CHASED YOUR ASS OFF THAT THREAD :laugh2:
why are you talking about some other thread, red?
why not admit that you lied your ass off?:laugh2:
either bring a quote from Obama where he tells another nation that America is rotten or retract your LIE
that's simple.
maineman
10-09-2009, 03:34 PM
Wow, all that in 11 days!!!
What were those extraordinary efforts again Virgil?
nothing in the Nobel rules require the committee to NOT consider acheivements after February 1st.
moron
red states rule
10-09-2009, 03:36 PM
why are you talking about some other thread, red?
why not admit that you lied your ass off?:laugh2:
either bring a quote from Obama where he tells another nation that America is rotten or retract your LIE
that's simple.
I did quote Obama Virgil. I gues you were to busy throwing another temper tantrum to read it
Here are more quotes from the Chosen One
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red states rule
10-09-2009, 03:37 PM
nothing in the Nobel rules require the committee to NOT consider acheivements after February 1st.
moron
Eh Virgil, the deadline to be nominated was Feb 1
So much for you knowing what you are talking about
red states rule
10-09-2009, 03:42 PM
why are you talking about some other thread, red?
why not admit that you lied your ass off?:laugh2:
either bring a quote from Obama where he tells another nation that America is rotten or retract your LIE
that's simple.
Is your ass still hurting from the kicking it got here Virgil?
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=386403#post386403
avatar4321
10-09-2009, 03:48 PM
OK Virgil, now we know what it takes to win. Talk about peace, but accomplish NOTHING
Thats always been the strategy of the Democrat party. Award failure. Advance mediocrity. Talk about how much you are going to do to make the community better and than make it worse.
its all style and no substance.
avatar4321
10-09-2009, 03:50 PM
nothing in their rules states that they cannot consider accomplishments by nominees after february 1st. no rules were changed at all.
Of course, the nominee would have to actually accomplish something in that time period. Please point out any Obama accomplishment.
maineman
10-09-2009, 03:52 PM
Is your ass still hurting from the kicking it got here Virgil?
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=386403#post386403
not at all.
I asked you a question....you didn't answer. You didn't show me anything from Thomas about any 2013 implementation.... I asked because I had not read the Baucus bill.
Now...in THIS thread, you have made the statement that President Obama told other nations that America was ROTTEN.
You have yet to show me anything from Obama where he EVER calls America rotten.
You gonna do that soon, or are you gonna retract that LIE?
maineman
10-09-2009, 03:54 PM
Of course, the nominee would have to actually accomplish something in that time period. Please point out any Obama accomplishment.
I quoted you the Nobel Committee's rationale.
If you disagree.... fine.
If you cannot be proud that our country's president won such an award, why not admit that it is because you are such a partisan hack that country means nothing to you and party means everything?
maineman
10-09-2009, 03:56 PM
Eh Virgil, the deadline to be nominated was Feb 1
So much for you knowing what you are talking about
eh Gomer...the deadline for submitting names for nomination was Feb 1.... NOTHING in the rules of the Nobel Prize Committee prohibits them from considering subsequent actions of nominess taken AFTER Feb 1.
So much for you knowing what you are talking about.
maineman
10-09-2009, 03:58 PM
Is your ass still hurting from the kicking it got here Virgil?
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=386403#post386403
and btw.... are you still mustering up the courage and the maturity to answer the question posed here:
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showpost.php?p=388077&postcount=126
red states rule
10-09-2009, 03:59 PM
not at all.
I asked you a question....you didn't answer. You didn't show me anything from Thomas about any 2013 implementation.... I asked because I had not read the Baucus bill.
Now...in THIS thread, you have made the statement that President Obama told other nations that America was ROTTEN.
You have yet to show me anything from Obama where he EVER calls America rotten.
You gonna do that soon, or are you gonna retract that LIE?
TRANSLATION - So what if several bills have this healthcare crisis not being fixed until 2013 - it is still a lie you are spreading that Dems will wait until after the 2012 election to do anything about healthcare
red states rule
10-09-2009, 04:01 PM
I quoted you the Nobel Committee's rationale.
If you disagree.... fine.
If you cannot be proud that our country's president won such an award, why not admit that it is because you are such a partisan hack that country means nothing to you and party means everything?
Hey Virgil, where was your "pride" during the Ush years when your side called for his MURDER?
He is out of offcie and your side is still wanting to throw him in JAIL for protecting this nation
Obama won this award for doing NOTHING except replacing Pres Bush
IN your world that is an honor? YOu are the hack here son - noone else
avatar4321
10-09-2009, 04:02 PM
"for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples"
THAT is what he did.
disagree? too bad. A whole host of world leaders disagree with YOU....do you think that, just maybe, you are letting your partisanship cloud your judment or even your patriotic pride at your president winning such an award?
HOW!??! Is it that freaking difficult to answer that question? What extraordinary efforts has he taken? How is insulting the British strengthening cooperation? How is betraying Poland strengthing cooperation? How is throwing the Dalai Lama under the bus strengthing cooperation? What the hell has he done to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation?
What has he done?! Tell me please.
maineman
10-09-2009, 04:08 PM
HOW!??! Is it that freaking difficult to answer that question? What extraordinary efforts has he taken? How is insulting the British strengthening cooperation? How is betraying Poland strengthing cooperation? How is throwing the Dalai Lama under the bus strengthing cooperation? What the hell has he done to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation?
What has he done?! Tell me please.
I personally think that his efforts at outreach to the muslim world with his historic speech in Cairo masy very well change the course of history... I think that his efforts to reach out to Iran have already brought them back to the table and have gotten them to agree to have UN inspectors return. I think his decision about the European missile shield got Russia to get onboard with Iran sanctions which were key to making that happen. And I think that he has singlehandedly changed the world opinion about our nation... but clearly, you would rather have the world hate us and have a republican in the white house so we'll just have to agree to disagre about the rest as well.
maineman
10-09-2009, 04:12 PM
TRANSLATION - So what if several bills have this healthcare crisis not being fixed until 2013 - it is still a lie you are spreading that Dems will wait until after the 2012 election to do anything about healthcare
translation:
"I don't have a single quote from Obama that shows where he told another nation that America was rotten and my tiny little testicles won't allow me to be man enough to just admit to maineman that I misspoke... so I'll spew a bunch of smoke screen and hope no one notices that I can't back up my claim"
and for what it's worth...
I agree with you that parts of the health care reform bills coming out of congress will not kick in until 2013. That is not Obama's doing...
now be a man and admit that Obama has never said America was rotten...
go ahead...you can do it.
maineman
10-09-2009, 04:14 PM
Hey Virgil, where was your "pride" during the Ush years when your side called for his MURDER?
He is out of offcie and your side is still wanting to throw him in JAIL for protecting this nation
Obama won this award for doing NOTHING except replacing Pres Bush
IN your world that is an honor? YOu are the hack here son - noone else
I never called for his murder nor condoned anyone who did.
I have no desire to throw Bush in jail for anything.
and you can't admit that you lied....
you wouldn't know honor if it bit you.
chloe
10-09-2009, 04:16 PM
The nomination deadline is eight months before the announcement, with a strictly enforced deadline of Feb. 1.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jc4b6HaHC3We5N9e2pA1ghew8MBAD9B7NE103
so he would only be in office a couple weeks when they decided to nominate him, how can that be?
red states rule
10-09-2009, 04:17 PM
The nomination deadline is eight months before the announcement, with a strictly enforced deadline of Feb. 1.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jc4b6HaHC3We5N9e2pA1ghew8MBAD9B7NE103
so he would only be in office a couple weeks when they decided to nominate him, how can that be?
It is liberal honoring liberals. Rules or the law never matters much to the left. Only winning. The ends justify the means in every case with them
avatar4321
10-09-2009, 06:07 PM
I personally think that his efforts at outreach to the muslim world with his historic speech in Cairo masy very well change the course of history... I think that his efforts to reach out to Iran have already brought them back to the table and have gotten them to agree to have UN inspectors return. I think his decision about the European missile shield got Russia to get onboard with Iran sanctions which were key to making that happen. And I think that he has singlehandedly changed the world opinion about our nation... but clearly, you would rather have the world hate us and have a republican in the white house so we'll just have to agree to disagre about the rest as well.
You are seriously joking right? He gave a speech that changed a course in history?
When exactly were the Iranians away from the table? They've been more than willing to talk to anyone simply because the longer they talk the more time they have to get their weapon. They were at the table during the Bush administration as well. Obama has done nothing to change that.
Abandoning Poland and Eastern Europe is helping us make peace in the world? I am sure they have nothing but good will toward us now.
You are right about one thing. He has singlehandedly changed world opinion about us. He is one of the only Presidents I've ever seen who can insult the British, act so incompetantly that the French government is actively mocking us, abandon our eastern European allies, threaten to bomb allies, insult Brazil, and actively support despotism in central america and make it seem to his supporters that we are suddenly more respected in the world. With friends like Ahmadinejad, who needs enemies?
This world is much safer by allowing people promising genocide to get a nuclear bomb and letting our soldiers die in Aghanistan in order to make a failed attempt to secure the Olympics in order to enrich political cronies. That makes us look absolutely fantastic in the world.
One day, just one day, Id like to see you care more about doing what's right than looking good.
Missileman
10-09-2009, 06:08 PM
Obama is "equally" deserving of the prizes in economics and medicine...should we be upset he was passed over for these? :rolleyes:
maineman
10-09-2009, 07:24 PM
You are seriously joking right? He gave a speech that changed a course in history?
When exactly were the Iranians away from the table? They've been more than willing to talk to anyone simply because the longer they talk the more time they have to get their weapon. They were at the table during the Bush administration as well. Obama has done nothing to change that.
Abandoning Poland and Eastern Europe is helping us make peace in the world? I am sure they have nothing but good will toward us now.
You are right about one thing. He has singlehandedly changed world opinion about us. He is one of the only Presidents I've ever seen who can insult the British, act so incompetantly that the French government is actively mocking us, abandon our eastern European allies, threaten to bomb allies, insult Brazil, and actively support despotism in central america and make it seem to his supporters that we are suddenly more respected in the world. With friends like Ahmadinejad, who needs enemies?
This world is much safer by allowing people promising genocide to get a nuclear bomb and letting our soldiers die in Aghanistan in order to make a failed attempt to secure the Olympics in order to enrich political cronies. That makes us look absolutely fantastic in the world.
One day, just one day, Id like to see you care more about doing what's right than looking good.
regarding your first sentence, you really need to learn how to fucking read.
If you can find anywhere where I said that Obama's Cairo speech had changed a course in history, they you should produce that quote or either apologize to me for intentionally misquoting me or admit that you are an ignorant buffoon with a grade school grasp of the language. Based on my past experience with you, however, I will not hold my breath waiting for either of those responses.
Tell me: when were UN inspectors previously allowed into Iran?
agreeing to not deploy a technologically untested and unreliable system has indeed brought Russia around to a place where they are now adding their voice towards tough sanctions against Iran which they had previously refused to do...and that, in turn, has caused Iran to agree to admit UN inspectors back into their country.
You fool yourself if you don't acknowledge that Obama has singlehandedly boosted American esteem throughout the world. But again...based upon my past experience with you, watching you willfully fool yourself is nothing new.
and finally...one day...just one day...I wish you would put the love of country above your hatred for democrats.
maineman
10-09-2009, 07:25 PM
The nomination deadline is eight months before the announcement, with a strictly enforced deadline of Feb. 1.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jc4b6HaHC3We5N9e2pA1ghew8MBAD9B7NE103
so he would only be in office a couple weeks when they decided to nominate him, how can that be?
who is the THEY to whom you refer?
maineman
10-09-2009, 07:39 PM
Obama is "equally" deserving of the prizes in economics and medicine...should we be upset he was passed over for these? :rolleyes:
you are certainly free to grieve if you want to.
avatar4321
10-09-2009, 08:20 PM
regarding your first sentence, you really need to learn how to fucking read.
If you can find anywhere where I said that Obama's Cairo speech had changed a course in history, they you should produce that quote or either apologize to me for intentionally misquoting me or admit that you are an ignorant buffoon with a grade school grasp of the language. Based on my past experience with you, however, I will not hold my breath waiting for either of those responses.
Really? You didnt say the speech has changed the course of human history?
I personally think that his efforts at outreach to the muslim world with his historic speech in Cairo masy very well change the course of history...
Wow, that was really difficult. Are you saying that you don't think that now?
Oh, and should you really be criticizing others for a lack of language skills?
Seriously, I know you seem to think this is some sort of partisan issue even though most Americans think that he hasnt done anything to earn this award. Heaven forbid, someone be concerned for the actual integrity of the award. As I've stated before, if I was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize with the same achievements as the President, I wouldnt refuse to accept the award. It's the only honorable thing to do when other people more deserving should have won.
If you think wanting people to actually accomplish goals towards the cause of peace and being disgusted by the corruption and games played by this prize committee is a partisan issue, then I seriously have to question your positions. You are in favor of corruption? You are in favor of dishonesty? you are in favor of recognition for no achievement?
Even President Obama himself said he didnt deserve the award. I dont think he expected it. He doesnt seem to have the decency to turn it down. But it's down right amazing that you have your head so up Obama's behind that you defend what your own leader has conceded.
Why is it any attack on corruption is a partisan issue for you? Outrage at ACORN is partisan. Outrage at the Nobel Prize committee for this travesty is partisan. You defend corruption and you think that is love for your country?
Hear me now, I will do everything in my power to pull down corruption. I will call people out when they are dishonest. I do this not because i hate a certain party. I hate any party or members engaged in corruption. I hate dishonesty. I see the evil men and women people like you blindly support screw people over every single day and I am absolutely sick and tired of it. Im sick and tired of people like you who blindly support or attack people simply because of the letter's next to their name and then pretend everyone else does it too.
And why? Because you want to score points on a message board. Because you feel compelled to pretend to be morally superior instead of actually doing something moral. You think you can just assert things that are completely ridiculous and then when called on it you pretend you didnt say it. Then you resort to personal insults.
You know he doesnt deserve this award. He has admitted he doesnt. What is so difficult about admitting the truth?
namvet
10-09-2009, 08:37 PM
I want world peace. when do I get my prize????
Kathianne
10-09-2009, 08:43 PM
regarding your first sentence, you really need to learn how to fucking read.
If you can find anywhere where I said that Obama's Cairo speech had changed a course in history, they you should produce that quote or either apologize to me for intentionally misquoting me or admit that you are an ignorant buffoon with a grade school grasp of the language. Based on my past experience with you, however, I will not hold my breath waiting for either of those responses.
Tell me: when were UN inspectors previously allowed into Iran?
agreeing to not deploy a technologically untested and unreliable system has indeed brought Russia around to a place where they are now adding their voice towards tough sanctions against Iran which they had previously refused to do...and that, in turn, has caused Iran to agree to admit UN inspectors back into their country.
You fool yourself if you don't acknowledge that Obama has singlehandedly boosted American esteem throughout the world. But again...based upon my past experience with you, watching you willfully fool yourself is nothing new.
and finally...one day...just one day...I wish you would put the love of country above your hatred for democrats.
Huh? What does this mean?
avatar4321
10-09-2009, 09:19 PM
And here is the international sentiment President Obama winning the award is creating
Is this really helping us be friendly with the world? (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/09/international-media-reactions-obama-peace-prize/)
sgtdmski
10-09-2009, 09:35 PM
I'll bet if Dubya had won it in 2002 for doing his darnest to rid the world of those Al KAYda evildoers, you guys would have been dancin':lol:
It would have never happened, you see President Bush in order to rid the world of terrorist actually put America First. As long as you put the security of your own people first you can never win the Nobel Peace Prize, that is why to this day we are awaiting the announcement of Ronald Reagan as a Peace Prize winner. Remember, Reagan is the one who brought the Soviet Union to its knees and negotiated a peace deal between the US and the USSR that actually saw a reduction in nuclear weapons. Oh my God the reduction of nuclear weapons between the two major super powers at the time. No way is that increasing the peace!!!!!!!!!!!
Once again this just proves the point that today the NPP is meaningless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!
dmk
avatar4321
10-09-2009, 09:56 PM
Heck, Gandhi never got his nobel peace prize either. He put his country first too.
chloe
10-09-2009, 10:21 PM
who is the THEY to whom you refer?
The ones referred to in the link I included:
Those who can nominate candidates for a Nobel Peace Prize include former laureates; current and former members of the committee and their staff; members of national governments and legislatures; university professors of law, theology, social sciences, history and philosophy; leaders of peace research and foreign affairs institutes; and members of international courts of law. In this instance it says it was : The Norwegian Nobel Committee so whoever is in that committee. Here's another link, and first link was from my original post. http://nobelpeaceprize.org/
maineman
10-09-2009, 10:26 PM
Really? You didnt say the speech has changed the course of human history?
yeah
seriously.
I am saying that your understanding of the english language is on a par with fifth graders.
I did NOT say his speech HAS changed the course of human history. absolutely not.
That says that the change has already occured. The use of the word "has" makes it such.
I said, that his speech MAY change the course of history.... THAT suggests a conditional outcome in the FUCKING FUTURE you stupid insipid poor excuse for any form of intelligence.
When you show me that you are something more than an ignorant hack no better than redstatesdrool, then maybe we can continue this discussion...but until then... go play with the rest of the mouth breathers. seriously.
maineman
10-09-2009, 10:27 PM
Huh? What does this mean?
ask the moron who I quoted.
Missileman
10-09-2009, 10:53 PM
yeah
seriously.
I am saying that your understanding of the english language is on a par with fifth graders.
I did NOT say his speech HAS changed the course of human history. absolutely not.
That says that the change has already occured. The use of the word "has" makes it such.
I said, that his speech MAY change the course of history.... THAT suggests a conditional outcome in the FUCKING FUTURE you stupid insipid poor excuse for any form of intelligence.
When you show me that you are something more than an ignorant hack no better than redstatesdrool, then maybe we can continue this discussion...but until then... go play with the rest of the mouth breathers. seriously.
You use an oxymoronic cliche and call someone else stupid? What's stupid is attributing "course of history" to something that hasn't happened yet.
maineman
10-09-2009, 11:08 PM
You use an oxymoronic cliche and call someone else stupid? What's stupid is attributing "course of history" to something that hasn't happened yet.
I attributed nothing. and where is the oxymoron, pray tell?
I gave my OPINION that his speech in Cairo was of such eloquence and power that it MAY - in my opinion - change the course of history.
I NEVER said that it HAD... and avatar shows himself to have the grammatical skills of a grade school student.
and you defend him.... no surprise there, either.
Missileman
10-10-2009, 12:31 AM
I attributed nothing. and where is the oxymoron, pray tell?
I gave my OPINION that his speech in Cairo was of such eloquence and power that it MAY - in my opinion - change the course of history.
I NEVER said that it HAD... and avatar shows himself to have the grammatical skills of a grade school student.
and you defend him.... no surprise there, either.
You can't change the course of history...it's in the past. His speech may change the course of the future, but it appears that more and more people are catching on to the bullshit disguised in his flowery prose. He's under some grand illusion that he's qualified to lead the world when he hasn't even shown he's capable of running this country.
SassyLady
10-10-2009, 01:52 AM
If you cannot be proud that our country's president won such an award, why not admit that it is because you are such a partisan hack that country means nothing to you and party means everything?
MM - my children and grandchildren compete in school in various activities........spelling bees, volleyball, basketball, baseball.....soccer....you name it. Do you know that they have changed the rules for volleyball.........a team no longer has to "earn" the point. They give out points to your team even when the other team screws up. This is typical of what liberals have done to the world. We no longer have to "earn" our accolades......we just have to show up and stand in line and the liberals will make sure you "feel" good about yourself, even if you don't deserve it. We are creating a world where nothing means anything anymore. It used to be that ribbons were given out for first, second and third and my kids were excited when they won and disappointed when they didn't. And when they didn't they knew they needed to work harder and do things differently next time. Now, everyone gets a ribbon......what's the point of even competing if there is no sense of satisfaction in being the best!
This has nothing to do with partisanship.......it has to do with "earning" something rather than being given something by an organization that seeks to gain favor. Obama is more concerned about his image with the international community than he is with satisfying what the majority of Americans want. We don't want an apologist as our president, or someone who takes credit for something he has no right to.
red states rule
10-10-2009, 05:02 AM
yeah
seriously.
I am saying that your understanding of the english language is on a par with fifth graders.
I did NOT say his speech HAS changed the course of human history. absolutely not.
That says that the change has already occured. The use of the word "has" makes it such.
I said, that his speech MAY change the course of history.... THAT suggests a conditional outcome in the FUCKING FUTURE you stupid insipid poor excuse for any form of intelligence.
When you show me that you are something more than an ignorant hack no better than redstatesdrool, then maybe we can continue this discussion...but until then... go play with the rest of the mouth breathers. seriously.
Why did Obama win the Nobel Prize?
For for his never ending ability to apologize for America being the greatest nation on Earth, for his constant willingness to bow to dictators, to refuse to help and screw over the US military, and appease terrorists so much the Frech calls Obama naive
No wonder the left loves him and MM worships him
red states rule
10-10-2009, 05:06 AM
MM - my children and grandchildren compete in school in various activities........spelling bees, volleyball, basketball, baseball.....soccer....you name it. Do you know that they have changed the rules for volleyball.........a team no longer has to "earn" the point. They give out points to your team even when the other team screws up. This is typical of what liberals have done to the world. We no longer have to "earn" our accolades......we just have to show up and stand in line and the liberals will make sure you "feel" good about yourself, even if you don't deserve it. We are creating a world where nothing means anything anymore. It used to be that ribbons were given out for first, second and third and my kids were excited when they won and disappointed when they didn't. And when they didn't they knew they needed to work harder and do things differently next time. Now, everyone gets a ribbon......what's the point of even competing if there is no sense of satisfaction in being the best!
This has nothing to do with partisanship.......it has to do with "earning" something rather than being given something by an organization that seeks to gain favor. Obama is more concerned about his image with the international community than he is with satisfying what the majority of Americans want. We don't want an apologist as our president, or someone who takes credit for something he has no right to.
Greg Mortenson spends his life helping others and pushs for human rights in places where they are nonexistent
Obama gives a few speeches bashing America, and acomplishes nothing
Greg would have used the cash for better purposes then Obama will use his.
red states rule
10-10-2009, 05:26 AM
You are seriously joking right? He gave a speech that changed a course in history?
When exactly were the Iranians away from the table? They've been more than willing to talk to anyone simply because the longer they talk the more time they have to get their weapon. They were at the table during the Bush administration as well. Obama has done nothing to change that.
Abandoning Poland and Eastern Europe is helping us make peace in the world? I am sure they have nothing but good will toward us now.
You are right about one thing. He has singlehandedly changed world opinion about us. He is one of the only Presidents I've ever seen who can insult the British, act so incompetantly that the French government is actively mocking us, abandon our eastern European allies, threaten to bomb allies, insult Brazil, and actively support despotism in central america and make it seem to his supporters that we are suddenly more respected in the world. With friends like Ahmadinejad, who needs enemies?
This world is much safer by allowing people promising genocide to get a nuclear bomb and letting our soldiers die in Aghanistan in order to make a failed attempt to secure the Olympics in order to enrich political cronies. That makes us look absolutely fantastic in the world.
One day, just one day, Id like to see you care more about doing what's right than looking good.
With Virgil and the liberal media all that matters is that Obama "inspires". Actual acomplishments are meaningless and do not matter
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maineman
10-10-2009, 07:37 AM
You can't change the course of history...it's in the past. His speech may change the course of the future, but it appears that more and more people are catching on to the bullshit disguised in his flowery prose. He's under some grand illusion that he's qualified to lead the world when he hasn't even shown he's capable of running this country.
I never said he would change HISTORY. I said he MIGHT change the COURSE of history. If he causes a quantum change in the way muslims and the rest of the world interact, then, when we look back at that moment from a future perspective, we MIGHT be able to say that the speech changed the course of history. Get it? No oxymoron there... just english above a third grade level which clearly is all you are capable of.
Kathianne
10-10-2009, 08:03 AM
Why the award? Obama hinted, 'it's for the future':
Claudia Rosett Biography - WSJ.com (http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/cRosett/bio.html)
Claudia Rosett
Claudia Rosett is a journalist-in-residence at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, and a former member of the editorial board of The Wall Street Journal. She writes a bi-weekly column, "The Real World," for The Wall Street Journal Europe and OpinionJournal.com.
At the Journal, Ms. Rosett worked as books editor from 1984-86; as editorial page editor of The Asian Wall Street Journal from 1986-93; as a reporter and then bureau chief in the Journal's Moscow bureau from 1993-96; and as a member of the Journal�s editorial board in New York from 1997-2002.
In 2005, Ms. Rosett received the Eric Breindel Award for Excellence in Opinion Journalism for her coverage of the United Nations. In 1990 she received an Overseas Press Club citation for excellence for her on-the-scene coverage of the Tiananmen Square uprising in 1989. Ms. Rosett received a bachelor�s degree in English from Yale. She has a master�s in English from Columbia and a master�s in business administration from the University of Chicago.
The Rosett Report » What Price for Obama’s Nobel Prize? (http://pajamasmedia.com/claudiarosett/what-price-for-obamas-nobel-prize/)
October 9th, 2009 11:57 am
What Price for Obama’s Nobel Prize?
What do the Norwegian Nobel arbiters expect to collect from President Barack Obama? They have just awarded him a peace prize which Obama himself suggests was extended on credit — or so he implied in telling reporters Friday morning that he wasn’t sure he’d done enough to deserve it.
But the Nobel Norwegians express not only their hope that he will play out their fantasies, but their confidence that he is “now the world’s leading spokesman” for their preferred “international policy and attitudes.”
Who are these folks issuing Obama a prize on credit to steer America along their preferred course? The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded by a committee of five Norwegians, whose members are appointed by the parliament of Norway. Ever heard of Thorbjorn Jagland? Active for decades in the Socialist International, a collectivist who navigated a long series of embarrassing moments in Norwegian politics to become current Secretary-General of the Council of Europe, Jagland now heads the Norwegian Nobel Committee. His fellow members who have just issued this Nobel IOU to a sitting American president are — are we ready for global policy guided by this crowd? – Kaci Kullman Five, Sissel Marie Ronbeck, Inger-Marie Ytterhorn and Agot Valle.
What, more specifically, might they be expecting of Obama? For starters, Norway, along with neighboring Sweden and Denmark, has been banging the drum for America to hand over to the United Nations enormous control over and constraints upon the U.S. economy, in the name of (warming/cooling/take-your-pick) climate change. Thus did Norway’s Nobel committee bestow its favors in 2007 on Al Gore and the UN’s Self-Interested Panel of Politically Corrupted Science — excuse me, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. And this December the UN is convening a big climate conference in Copenhagen, with which the U.N. hopes to “seal” its growth-stunting UN-enriching climate “deal.”...
Links at site.
bullypulpit
10-10-2009, 08:05 AM
<blockquote>The five-member Norwegian Nobel Committee - four of whom spoke to The Associated Press, said awarding Obama the peace prize could be seen as an early vote of confidence intended to build global support for the policies of his young administration.
They lauded the change in global mood wrought by Obama's calls for peace and cooperation, and praised his pledges to reduce the world stock of nuclear arms, ease U.S. conflicts with Muslim nations and strengthen its role in combating climate change.
"Some people say - and I understand it - 'Isn't it premature? Too early?' Well, I'd say then that it could be too late to respond three years from now," Thorbjoern Jagland, chairman of the Norwegian Nobel Committee, told the AP. "It is now that we have the opportunity to respond - all of us."
Jagland said the committee whittled down a record pool of 205 nominations and had "several candidates until the last minute," but it became more obvious that "we couldn't get around these deep changes that are taking place" under Obama. - <a href=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/09/nobel-prize-to-obama-defe_n_316098.html>AP</a></blockquote>
Tell me Red, do you agree with America's enemies the Taliban and Iran? If so, why do you hate America?
glockmail
10-10-2009, 08:09 AM
Bully, what did Chimpy McPresident win the prize for?
glockmail
10-10-2009, 08:10 AM
With Virgil and the liberal media all that matters is that Obama "inspires". Actual acomplishments are meaningless and do not matter
.... That right, it's all about "intentions", not results.
red states rule
10-10-2009, 09:19 AM
Bully, what did Chimpy McPresident win the prize for?
Lets see
He's black
He's a liberal
He has apologized to the world several times for America being America
He has not stepped up efforts to win the wars
Those right there are the main reasons
red states rule
10-10-2009, 09:28 AM
<blockquote>The five-member Norwegian Nobel Committee - four of whom spoke to The Associated Press, said awarding Obama the peace prize could be seen as an early vote of confidence intended to build global support for the policies of his young administration.
They lauded the change in global mood wrought by Obama's calls for peace and cooperation, and praised his pledges to reduce the world stock of nuclear arms, ease U.S. conflicts with Muslim nations and strengthen its role in combating climate change.
"Some people say - and I understand it - 'Isn't it premature? Too early?' Well, I'd say then that it could be too late to respond three years from now," Thorbjoern Jagland, chairman of the Norwegian Nobel Committee, told the AP. "It is now that we have the opportunity to respond - all of us."
Jagland said the committee whittled down a record pool of 205 nominations and had "several candidates until the last minute," but it became more obvious that "we couldn't get around these deep changes that are taking place" under Obama. - <a href=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/09/nobel-prize-to-obama-defe_n_316098.html>AP</a></blockquote>
Tell me Red, do you agree with America's enemies the Taliban and Iran? If so, why do you hate America?
Tel me BP, are you going to hang around and have a discussion or are you going to hit and run like you did on the healthcare threads?
All I am asking is for the Obama supporters to admit Obama really did nothing to earn this award. He was in office 11 days when the nominations closed.
Like with the economy, Obama has talked a good game but has accomplished ZERO as far as what he promised
jimnyc
10-10-2009, 10:37 AM
Here's what I'm curious about -- all the FAR left left are trying their best to articulate why Obama won the award -- and meanwhile, Obama himself is out there stating that he did not deserve the award. His "call to action" speech only furthers the collective thoughts of many around the world -- that he prematurely received the award, but it might be respected more IF he actually accomplishes any of his lofty goals.
What did he do before his presidency to deserve such an award - nothing.
What did he do before he was nominated in those 12 days? - a speech? LOL
What has he done since being nominated - nothing
He's worked hard, and I'll give him that, but he has yet to actually accomplish anything that can be permanently put on his record. To give the award without accomplishments is ludicrous.
Let's suppose we have troops in Iraq till 2012 which many are stating, and Amercian troops die, and more Iraqi citizens as a result of our continued presence? Maybe Obama increases troops in Afghanistan - and again, American troops die and so do many citizens on the ground as a result of the continued war. What happens if he makes no progress with Iran, and the stalemate continues for the next few years? Many point to his "historic" speech to Muslims, yet I see no difference whatsoever from the Muslim community towards the USA. What if Muslim terror still rears it's ugly face towards American interests abroad over the next several years? What if the battle between Israelis and the Muslim population gets worse?
I think if these issues don't go Obama's way -- both him and the nobel prize committee will look like schmucks. Well, more so than they do today anyway.
red states rule
10-10-2009, 10:42 AM
Here's what I'm curious about -- all the FAR left left are trying their best to articulate why Obama won the award -- and meanwhile, Obama himself is out there stating that he did not deserve the award. His "call to action" speech only furthers the collective thoughts of many around the world -- that he prematurely received the award, but it might be respected more IF he actually accomplishes any of his lofty goals.
What did he do before his presidency to deserve such an award - nothing.
What did he do before he was nominated in those 12 days? - a speech? LOL
What has he done since being nominated - nothing
He's worked hard, and I'll give him that, but he has yet to actually accomplish anything that can be permanently put on his record. To give the award without accomplishments is ludicrous.
Let's suppose we have troops in Iraq till 2012 which many are stating, and Amercian troops die, and more Iraqi citizens as a result of our continued presence? Maybe Obama increases troops in Afghanistan - and again, American troops die and so do many citizens on the ground as a result of the continued war. What happens if he makes no progress with Iran, and the stalemate continues for the next few years? Many point to his "historic" speech to Muslims, yet I see no difference whatsoever from the Muslim community towards the USA. What if Muslim terror still rears it's ugly face towards American interests abroad over the next several years? What if the battle between Israelis and the Muslim population gets worse?
I think if these issues don't go Obama's way -- both him and the nobel prize committee will look like schmucks. Well, more so than they do today anyway.
and yet a man like Pres Ronald Reagan - a man the left hated - brought down the Soviet Union without firing a shot, ened the Cold War - was not awarded a Nobel Peace Prize
But then again Reagan was a white conservative - those disqualified him off the bat for consideration
Let alone all his actual accomplishments that I thought were needed for the award
Missileman
10-10-2009, 10:57 AM
I never said he would change HISTORY.
I never said you did. Maybe it's your reading ability that's the problem.
namvet
10-10-2009, 12:34 PM
the noble prize is run by left wing extemists anyway
red states rule
10-10-2009, 01:17 PM
Gee MM, looks like you are as giddy over Obama's "win" as Castro is. It is also amusing how the liberal media calls Castro the former "leader" of Cuba and not what he was.
A murderous dictator
Fidel Castro lauds Nobel prize for Obama
HAVANA (Reuters) – Former Cuban leader Fidel Castro lauded the awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize to U.S. President Barack Obama, saying on Saturday it was "a positive measure" that was more a criticism of past U.S. policies than a recognition of Obama's accomplishments.
Castro said the prize made up for the blow Obama suffered last week when the International Olympic Committee awarded the 2016 Summer Games to Rio de Janeiro after Obama had flown to Copenhagen to pitch for Chicago, his adoptive hometown.
The Nobel Committee announced on Friday that Obama had won the peace price for his "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples."
The decision prompted surprise in many quarters and anger from Obama's conservative foes in the United States.
But Castro, who has generally written positively about Obama, was pleased at the decision by the committee.
"I don't always share the positions of that institution but I'm obligated to recognize that in this instance it was, in my judgment, a positive measure," Castro wrote in a column published in state-run media.
"Many will say that he still hasn't earned the right to receive such distinction. We prefer to see in the decision, more than a prize for the president of the United States, a criticism of the genocidal policies that not a few presidents of that country have followed."
Such policies, Castro said, had "brought the world to the crossroads where it finds itself; an exhortation for peace and the search for solutions to assure the survival of the species."
The Nobel prize made up for "the reverse Obama suffered in Copenhagen ... which provoked angry attacks by his adversaries of the extreme right," Castro wrote.
His comments were part of a long piece entitled "The Bell Tolls for the Dollar" in which he said the U.S. dollar was losing its position as the preeminent world currency.
Also, he criticized the United States, as he often does, for not doing more to cut emission of greenhouse gases said to be causing global warming.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_nobel_peace_obama_castro
maineman
10-10-2009, 02:26 PM
I never said you did. Maybe it's your reading ability that's the problem.
I knew you wouldn't own up to misreading my statement... calling it an oxymoron when it clearly is not. Saying that I said that Obama HAD changed the course of history when cleary I had not.
no big surprise. zero character.
maineman
10-10-2009, 02:28 PM
Gee MM, looks like you are as giddy over Obama's "win" as Castro is. It is also amusing how the liberal media calls Castro the former "leader" of Cuba and not what he was.
A murderous dictator
Fidel Castro lauds Nobel prize for Obama
HAVANA (Reuters) – Former Cuban leader Fidel Castro lauded the awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize to U.S. President Barack Obama, saying on Saturday it was "a positive measure" that was more a criticism of past U.S. policies than a recognition of Obama's accomplishments.
Castro said the prize made up for the blow Obama suffered last week when the International Olympic Committee awarded the 2016 Summer Games to Rio de Janeiro after Obama had flown to Copenhagen to pitch for Chicago, his adoptive hometown.
The Nobel Committee announced on Friday that Obama had won the peace price for his "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples."
The decision prompted surprise in many quarters and anger from Obama's conservative foes in the United States.
But Castro, who has generally written positively about Obama, was pleased at the decision by the committee.
"I don't always share the positions of that institution but I'm obligated to recognize that in this instance it was, in my judgment, a positive measure," Castro wrote in a column published in state-run media.
"Many will say that he still hasn't earned the right to receive such distinction. We prefer to see in the decision, more than a prize for the president of the United States, a criticism of the genocidal policies that not a few presidents of that country have followed."
Such policies, Castro said, had "brought the world to the crossroads where it finds itself; an exhortation for peace and the search for solutions to assure the survival of the species."
The Nobel prize made up for "the reverse Obama suffered in Copenhagen ... which provoked angry attacks by his adversaries of the extreme right," Castro wrote.
His comments were part of a long piece entitled "The Bell Tolls for the Dollar" in which he said the U.S. dollar was losing its position as the preeminent world currency.
Also, he criticized the United States, as he often does, for not doing more to cut emission of greenhouse gases said to be causing global warming.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_nobel_peace_obama_castro
Castro joins a growing list of world leaders and former peace prize winners who agree that Obama is an inspired choice.
Whereas that list lauds the award....
you, on the other hand, stand firmly with Al Qaeda and the Taliban in denouncing it. We know where YOUR allegiance lies: party over country 24/7
trobinett
10-10-2009, 02:44 PM
Castro joins a growing list of world leaders and former peace prize winners who agree that Obama is an inspired choice.
Whereas that list lauds the award....
you, on the other hand, stand firmly with Al Qaeda and the Taliban in denouncing it. We know where YOUR allegiance lies: party over country 24/7
MM, this is where you loose traction with most of your fellow board members. RSR makes no mistake's as to where HIS allegiance's lie, to say otherwise just show's a lack of focus, and a desire to disrespect, rather than debate.
Help me out here...........:lame2:
maineman
10-10-2009, 02:53 PM
MM, this is where you loose traction with most of your fellow board members. RSR makes no mistake's as to where HIS allegiance's lie, to say otherwise just show's a lack of focus, and a desire to disrespect, rather than debate.
Help me out here
he tries to tie ME to Castro because Castro, along with many world leaders, applauds the decision.
Why, pray tell, cannot I then turn right aroung and tie him to the Taliban for EXACTLY the same reason?
does that help?:poke:
Missileman
10-10-2009, 03:15 PM
I knew you wouldn't own up to misreading my statement... calling it an oxymoron when it clearly is not. Saying that I said that Obama HAD changed the course of history when cleary I had not.
no big surprise. zero character.
You're confused. I haven't said that you said Obama HAD changed the course of history either...that was another poster. However, applying the phrase "may change the course of history" to someone in the present and the possibility that they may have influenced the future is oxymoronic.
Silver
10-10-2009, 03:20 PM
he tries to tie ME to Castro because Castro, along with many world leaders, applauds the decision.
Why, pray tell, cannot I then turn right aroung and tie him to the Taliban for EXACTLY the same reason?
does that help?:poke:
I would say the Taliban approved of Yasser Arafat being awarded the peace prize too...so whats your point, traitor ?:lol:
red states rule
10-10-2009, 05:10 PM
Castro joins a growing list of world leaders and former peace prize winners who agree that Obama is an inspired choice.
Whereas that list lauds the award....
you, on the other hand, stand firmly with Al Qaeda and the Taliban in denouncing it. We know where YOUR allegiance lies: party over country 24/7
Virgil, you are the one who has called our troops serving in Iraq "infidels", you are the one who has lied and defended Dems who called our troops in Iraq cold blooded killers, uneducated, terrorists, compred them to Nazi's and Pol POt, and you are the guy who has supported Dems who tried to insert a surrender date for Iraq in over 40 spending bills in the last year of the Bush administration
So your track record of siding against the troops, and pushing for thier defeat in Iraq is well known
Your constant record of putting party ahead of country and the troops is well known and consistent
maineman
10-10-2009, 07:46 PM
Virgil, you are the one who has called our troops serving in Iraq "infidels", you are the one who has lied and defended Dems who called our troops in Iraq cold blooded killers, uneducated, terrorists, compred them to Nazi's and Pol POt, and you are the guy who has supported Dems who tried to insert a surrender date for Iraq in over 40 spending bills in the last year of the Bush administration
So your track record of siding against the troops, and pushing for thier defeat in Iraq is well known
Your constant record of putting party ahead of country and the troops is well known and consistent
all lies. I stated that, to the citizens of Iraq, our troops were considered infidels. That is a fact. I NEVER defended anyone who called our troops nazis or cold blooded killers, or uneducated, and no democrat has ever called our troops terrorists, so I would have never been asked to defend such a statement since no such statement ever occured. There was never a surrender date proposed by anyone.
What is the Taliban's position on Obama's Nobel Peace Prize?
What is YOURS?
they are the same.
partisan hack.... party over country for you...you'll side with the Taliban before being proud about our president being given this award.
you disgust me. really. I get that throwup taste in my mouth whenever I even think about you, you disgusting treasonous piece of shit.
I took an oath to defend the constitution against treasonous assholes like you.
maineman
10-10-2009, 07:47 PM
I would say the Taliban approved of Yasser Arafat being awarded the peace prize too...so whats your point, traitor ?:lol:
I disagree with the Taliban about Arafat AND Obama....
you, on the other hand, agree with them about Obama.
THAT IS MY F**KING POINT, TRAITOR.
maineman
10-10-2009, 07:52 PM
You're confused. I haven't said that you said Obama HAD changed the course of history either...that was another poster. However, applying the phrase "may change the course of history" to someone in the present and the possibility that they may have influenced the future is oxymoronic.
not so. If we look back, twenty years from now, and can say that the Obama speech in Cairo marked a point in time where we can trace a change in the way that muslims looked at America and looked at the West, and that change resulted in a more peaceful world, we will most certainly be able to say that Obama's speech changed the course of history.
nothing oxymoronic about that in the least.
Silver
10-10-2009, 09:14 PM
all lies. I stated that, to the citizens of Iraq, our troops were considered infidels. That is a fact. I NEVER defended anyone who called our troops nazis or cold blooded killers, or uneducated, and no democrat has ever called our troops terrorists, so I would have never been asked to defend such a statement since no such statement ever occured.
And there is exactly how you deny the truth, you won't recognize it happened....(try google).........you defended Dubin (he said the guards in Gitmo acted like Gulag guards, Nazies, and reminded him of Pol Pot,....thats just the plain truth...
You defended Kerry when he said the troops were stupid, not college material and all they had was military service.....
You defended Kerry when he accused our soldiers of terrorizing women and children (only a terrorist, can be accused of, and/or guilty terrorizing)
YOU are a LIAR....and no amount of spin will change that FACT.....
There was never a surrender date proposed by anyone.
Any date announced for the withdrawal of troops from the field of battle is a surrender date.....even the pointiest pinhead wouldn't deny that... and that is exactly what the Democrats demanded Bush do for years...but your're right...BUSH would not do what your party of cowards wanted him to do....
What is the Taliban's position on Obama's Nobel Peace Prize?
What is YOURS?
they are the same.
Absolutly...I agree with them...to not agree with them would make me not agree with Obama himself...even HE agrees with their opinion....
partisan hack.... party over country for you...you'll side with the Taliban before being proud about our president being given this award.
You believe I should disagree with my President? He don't deserve it. Both he and I KNOW that...and only a partisan hack with deny we are right...
you disgust me. really. I get that throwup taste in my mouth whenever I even think about you, you disgusting treasonous piece of shit.
I took an oath to defend the constitution against treasonous assholes like you.
No Sonny...YOU ARE THE TRAITOR...and so many on this and other sites are coming or have already come to that same conclusion....
That taste in your mouth comes from eating all the shit you've been fed from the liberals over the years.....even the Koolade won't clean that up....
Your disrespect for the troops is what is nauseating....
maineman
10-10-2009, 09:17 PM
No Sonny...YOU ARE THE TRAITOR...and so many on this and other sites are coming or have already come to that same conclusion....
That taste in your mouth comes from eating all the shit you've been fed from the liberals over the years.....even the Koolade won't clean that up....
Your disrespect for the troops is what is nauseating....
only a terrorist can be accused of terrorizing?:lol:
so when the pitbull gets loose from his pen and terrorizes a neighborhood, the dog is a fucking TERRORIST?
REALLY?
Learn the language, moron, and then come back and talk to me.
Silver
10-10-2009, 09:24 PM
As expected...you fold like a house of cards...
maineman
10-10-2009, 09:35 PM
a expected...you fold like a house of cards..
as expected, you fail to acknowledge the fact that your knowledge of our language stopped developing when you dropped out of high school as a freshman.
only terrorists can terrorize? :lol:
fuckin' moron
Obama with a award, for what,wrecking the greatest country in the world, Are the 5 judges , are they Terrorist like Obama, or are they Black
Anybody that would award Obama with the Nobel peace prize is a complete Idiot, this man has not accomplished anything other than raise taxes raise the deficit , get our soldiers killed with his lack of action , cause more racial tensions than ever, A Nobel peace prize :laugh2: what a effing joke, he has divided a Country that is at the brink of another civil war, I certainly hope it doesn't go that way but it surely could
Just in case I am planting plenty of watermelons in the yard for bait:laugh2:
red states rule
10-11-2009, 05:31 AM
all lies. I stated that, to the citizens of Iraq, our troops were considered infidels. That is a fact. I NEVER defended anyone who called our troops nazis or cold blooded killers, or uneducated, and no democrat has ever called our troops terrorists, so I would have never been asked to defend such a statement since no such statement ever occured. There was never a surrender date proposed by anyone.
What is the Taliban's position on Obama's Nobel Peace Prize?
What is YOURS?
they are the same.
partisan hack.... party over country for you...you'll side with the Taliban before being proud about our president being given this award.
you disgust me. really. I get that throwup taste in my mouth whenever I even think about you, you disgusting treasonous piece of shit.
I took an oath to defend the constitution against treasonous assholes like you.
Again VIrgil, you are so desperate you forgot what you have posted here - under several different names I might add
You have and will defend Kerry, Durbin, Reid, Murtha, and Ted Kennedy for their long list of smears and insults directed toward the troops in Iraq
During the last year of Pres Bush, Dems tried to attach a surrender date in Iraq to nearly every spending bill - and you were their waving the white flag on behalf of yor party
Dems did their best to lose the war in Iraq, and they failed
You have shown your loyality is not to this nation or the troops serving - but to the Democrat Party
I could not care how you feel about me personally Virgil. It is nothing new for you, a man who pretends to be a man of God, to openly show so much hate toward another person. It is part of your normal day.
It is as common for you as taking a breath of air
red states rule
10-11-2009, 07:07 AM
Now back to the topic at hand
Even a liberal reporter who voted for Obama can't understand why he won the Nobel Prize
President Obama Won What?
"Mom!" my 12-year-old yelled from the kitchen. "President Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize!"
I told her she had to be mistaken.
This is ridiculous -- embarrassing, even. I admire President Obama. I like President Obama. I voted for President Obama. But the peace prize? This is supposed to be for doing, not being -- and it's no disrespect to the president to suggest he hasn't done much yet. Certainly not enough to justify this prize.
"Extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples?" "Captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future?" Please. This turns the award into something like pee-wee soccer: Everybody wins for trying.
Scroll down the list of peace prize winners. Jimmy Carter won in 2002 "for his decades [emphasis added] of untiring effort to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts." Last year's winner, Martti Ahtisaari, was cited "for his important efforts, on several continents and over more than three decades [emphasis added], to resolve international conflicts."
Obama gets the award for, what, a good nine months? Or maybe a good two weeks -- the nominations were due Feb. 1. The other two sitting U.S. presidents who won the prize -- Woodrow Wilson in 1919 for his role in founding the League of Nations, Theodore Roosevelt in 1906 for negotiating an end to the Russo-Japanese War -- were in their second terms.
I imagine that Obama, when they woke him up this morning to deliver the news, grasped the bizarreness of it all. In 2006, when he was only a star senator, he mocked his instant celebrity at the Gridiron Club dinner.
I've been very blessed," he said. "Keynote speaker at the Democratic convention. The cover of Newsweek. My book made the bestseller list. I just won a Grammy for reading it on tape. And I've had the chance to speak not once but twice before the Gridiron Club. Really, what else is there to do? Well, I guess, I could pass a law or something."
If the Nobel Committee ran out of worthy candidates, it might have engaged in a bit of recycling. Nothing wrong with a second prize to Aung San Suu Kyi (1991).
And I suspect it did not do the president any favors. Obama's cheerleaders don't need encouragement -- and his critics will only seize on the prize to further lampoon the Obama-as-messiah storyline.
Now what does he do for an encore?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/09/AR2009100904122_2.html
red states rule
10-11-2009, 09:10 AM
Obama with a award, for what,wrecking the greatest country in the world, Are the 5 judges , are they Terrorist like Obama, or are they Black
Anybody that would award Obama with the Nobel peace prize is a complete Idiot, this man has not accomplished anything other than raise taxes raise the deficit , get our soldiers killed with his lack of action , cause more racial tensions than ever, A Nobel peace prize :laugh2: what a effing joke, he has divided a Country that is at the brink of another civil war, I certainly hope it doesn't go that way but it surely could
Just in case I am planting plenty of watermelons in the yard for bait:laugh2:
and of course when Obama and Eric Holder decided which side they would be on when it came to how the CIA got information from terrorists - that was a huge plus for Oabma to win the Nobel Prize
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