Estimated up to 2 million patriot's in Washington..

[stephanie]

Amazingly cspan has the best coverage..

I wish I could of been there with them, but I am there in spirit..

LETS ROLL...:salute:

[Joyful HoneyBee]

I've been watching in online via streaming video. It is truly amazing and depicts the best of what this country is all about. Free speech and the right to assemble will never loose their luster.

[avatar4321]

is the non-fox media actually covering it?

[red states rule]

Most of the coverage in the liberal media "reports" the crowd in the "tens of thousands" when the number is closer to 2 MILLION

The liberal media is trying to downplay the turnout - but the messaage is clear

Here is a CNN reporter VS real community organizers


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[red states rule]

I am watching CSPAN this morning, and so far the 2 liberal callers have played the race card calling the people there racists. They are saying 99% of Americans have gotten tax cuts (really - must have missed mine) and how Obamacare will save them money

One caller said the left never protested Pres Bush and set out to work with him when he took office.

When facts get in their way, libs lie and try to rewrite history

[namvet]

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I don't think their tea baggers anymore. not at 2 mil. also I heard Osama took off. a previous engagement???

[red states rule]

2010 is looking like a very interesting year given the fact Obama, Reid, Pelosi, the Obama drones, and the liberal media are still not getting it

So far this morning, the lefties are stil smearing, insulting, and dismissing the folks that came out to express their opposition to the way Dems are running things

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. I didn't see 2 mil people.
2. All I could male out was maybe fifty or so.
3. This is rather fruitless.
4. The signs they were waving were crude as hell too.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[red states rule]

Sorry bout that,

1. I didn't see 2 mil people.
2. All I could male out was maybe fifty or so.
3. This is rather fruitless.
4. The signs they were waving were crude as hell too.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

James, the turnout was much higher then anyone thought. Since you are waiting for your handout and someone to finance your healthcare plan - I did not expect you to support these people who are fed up with the Dems pissing thru their tax money

The Hitler and impeachment signs were over the top - but the rest were pretty much spot on

Funny how dissent is not cool now and example of patriotic Americans. Only racists and paid hacks from ins companies are out in the streets according to the libs

[namvet]

sorry bout that,

1. I didn't see 2 mil people.
2. All i could male out was maybe fifty or so.
3. This is rather fruitless.
4. The signs they were waving were crude as hell too.


Regards,
sirjamesoftexas


stupid alert !!!!!

[red states rule]

MAybe they do not like the direction the Eems are taking America. Dems took over Congress in 2006 and lets look what has happened over the last year

Sept 2009 Sept 2008

Dow 9605 Dow 11421

Unemployment 9.7% Unemployment 6.2%

GDP is down 3.9% in the last year

Home values are down 15.1% in the last year

So the Dems have not provided the leadership and polices to grow the economy - now they have to try and pass the buck and smear anyone whop speaks out

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. *Impeach the Muslim Marxist* is fair? I think he was an elected official, and there is still *The Vote*.
2. No less fruitless than Joe Wilsons, *You Lie!*
3. Some people just don't get it.
4. Namvet being one, looks like.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[red states rule]

Sorry bout that,

1. *Impeach the Muslim Marxist* is fair? I think he was an elected official, and there is still *The Vote*.
2. No less fruitless than Joe Wilsons, *You Lie!*
3. Some people just don't get it.
4. Namvet being one, looks like.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Where was the "outrage" when libs booed Bush, or there Hitler and mpeachment signs

Answer - there was none

Todays standards are simple - Dems won so you must sit down, shut up, and speak when you are spoken to

[stephanie]

fer crying out loud, I saw worst signs at the anti-war protest..

one said, "we support our troops when they shoot their officers"..it was so bad, I downloaded it on photobucket and they removed it..the only one they ever did that with me... and lets not forget setting fire to the American Flag..

I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch over the signs, it's the bigger picture we need to keep our eyes on..and the turn out in Washington was a start..

[namvet]

sorry bout that,

1. *impeach the muslim marxist* is fair? I think he was an elected official, and there is still *the vote*.
2. No less fruitless than joe wilsons, *you lie!*
3. Some people just don't get it.
4. Namvet being one, looks like.


Regards,
sirjamesoftexas

alert !!! Can't count past 50 !!!!

[red states rule]

fer crying out loud, I saw worst signs at the anti-war protest..

one said, "we support our troops when they shoot their officers"..it was so bad, I downloaded it on photobucket and they removed it..the only one they ever did that with me... and lets not forget setting fire to the American Flag..

I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch over the signs, it's the bigger picture we need to keep our eyes on..and the turn out in Washington was a start..

I know Steph - but we are not allowed to mention that. On one of the talk shows this morning, Charles Krauthammer tried to bring that up, and the liberla host cut him off and stopped him

Chalres was outnumbered 4 to 1 and he did talk about it and was dismissed by the Obama loving liberals

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,





Where was the "outrage" when libs booed Bush, or there Hitler and mpeachment signs

Answer - there was none

Todays standards are simple - Dems won so you must sit down, shut up, and speak when you are spoken to




1. Im not so outraged about the poor tastefulness of the signs Ive read.
2. It just goes to show you *The Shoes On The Other Foot*.
3. Both sides have many morons willing to hold up unfair signs.
4. Gutter Politics Gone Wild.
5. Could be a tv show.



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[stephanie]

I know Steph - but we are not allowed to mention that. On one of the talk shows this morning, Charles Krauthammer tried to bring that up, and the liberla host cut him off and stopped him

Chalres was outnumbered 4 to 1 and he did talk about it and was dismissed by the Obama loving liberals

of course the lamestream media is only going to point to those signs, they want to deflect away from any bad news for the little Marxist..I am so sick of the lamestream media, I think they should be tried for treason against the people of the United States..

[red states rule]

Sorry bout that,









1. Im not so outraged about the poor tastefulness of the signs Ive read.
2. It just goes to show you *The Shoes On The Other Foot*.
3. Both sides have many morons willing to hold up unfair signs.
4. Gutter Politics Gone Wild.
5. Could be a tv show.



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Gutter politics?

James, the left wrote books, and made movies about the MURDER of Pres Bush

Liberal talk show hosts openly hoped for the MURDER of Pres Bush

An elected NY Dem said he wanted to shoot Pres Bush between the eyes

The HATE from the left directed toward Pres Bush is NOTHING compared to the DISSENT Obama is getting

Get real James. You are so much better then this

[red states rule]

of course the lamestream media is only going to point to those signs, they want to deflect away from any bad news for the little Marxist..I am so sick of the lamestream media, I think they should be tried for treason against the people of the United States..

Yep, they do not want to admit Wilson was right - so find something else to bitch about

Like my liberal car pool buddy - he will talk about ANYTHING EXCEPT the Hope and Change Express and the results of liberal policies

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,






Gutter politics?

James, the left wrote books, and made movies about the MURDER of Pres Bush

Liberal talk show hosts openly hoped for the MURDER of Pres Bush

An elected NY Dem said he wanted to shoot Pres Bush between the eyes

The HATE from the left directed toward Pres Bush is NOTHING compared to the DISSENT Obama is getting

Get real James. You are so much better then this



1. It goes to show you, both sides do it.
2. I won't.
3. I am above that sorta bullshit.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[jimnyc]

Sorry bout that,

1. *Impeach the Muslim Marxist* is fair? I think he was an elected official, and there is still *The Vote*.

Are you shitting me? I figured you to be the first to call for his death! You do realize that Obama read and learned the Quran? You do realize that he believes the overwhelming majority of Muslims are peace loving people?

So you forget your ignorance and desire to brush all Muslims with a single brush, so long as the person being spoken of is an elected official? I know he isn't a Muslim now, but try reading his teachings of the religion...

[jimnyc]

Sorry bout that,

1. It goes to show you, both sides do it.
2. I won't.
3. I am above that sorta bullshit.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Really? Look at the utter crap you spew about Muslims over and over - and now you want to put yourself on a pedestal above others?

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,






Are you shitting me?





1.No your too big, hehehe,...he is the President, was elected, I respect that.







I figured you to be the first to call for his death! You do realize that Obama read and learned the Quran?





2. Yes, and what am I supposed to do about it, he was elected.








You do realize that he believes the overwhelming majority of Muslims are peace loving people?







3. He may believe that, I havent heard from him on that, maybe he learned muslim as a child, and realized it was bullshit, and escaped from it.








So you forget your ignorance and desire to brush all Muslims with a single brush, so long as the person being spoken of is an elected official?







4. He was taught from Rev Wright, who isnt a muslim, but is somewhat off base, two wholely different things though.







I know he isn't a Muslim now, but try reading his teachings of the religion...





5. And they are?




Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,






Really? Look at the utter crap you spew about Muslims over and over - and now you want to put yourself on a pedestal above others?



1. I didnt go after B Clinton either.
2. Sure I go after muslims, they are an open sore.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[jimnyc]

Sorry bout that,

5. And they are?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Try reading the text of the speech he gave went he went to visit the Muslims when he first got elected. While I agree with him, it goes 100% against the stuff you claim.

I do find it hilarious though that you all of a sudden don't have an issue with your beliefs because someone is an "elected official". Not very solid on your beliefs, eh?

But anyway, my point is that you decided to frown upon the messages of those at the protests - and yet you basically would prefer Muslims wiped off the face of the earth according to other threads.

[jimnyc]

Sorry bout that,

1. I didnt go after B Clinton either.
2. Sure I go after muslims, they are an open sore.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

So long as they aren't elected. Do you realize how many Muslims are elected officials in the US? Do they all get a free pass in your mind as well?

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,





Try reading the text of the speech he gave went he went to visit the Muslims when he first got elected. While I agree with him, it goes 100% against the stuff you claim.

I do find it hilarious though that you all of a sudden don't have an issue with your beliefs because someone is an "elected official". Not very solid on your beliefs, eh?

But anyway, my point is that you decided to frown upon the messages of those at the protests - and yet you basically would prefer Muslims wiped off the face of the earth according to other threads.





1. Where is it?
2. Anyways, he isn't a muslim, but if he someday comes out and claims hes going to convert it muslim, then I will be the first to ask for him to step down.
3. Then I will bash the hell out of him.
4. I respect the highest office of the land, if its some other office, I have no respect for a muslim, whatsoever.
5. The protests were beggerly, and gutter in form, I cant respect that, I take issue with it.




Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[red states rule]

Sorry bout that,









1. It goes to show you, both sides do it.
2. I won't.
3. I am above that sorta bullshit.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

So what elected Republican, or conservative talk show host is calling for the MURDER of Obama?

James, you are not above the BS - just spreading it

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout,





So what elected Republican, or conservative talk show host is calling for the MURDER of Obama?

James, you are not above the BS - just spreading it




1. No one yet, but its still kinda early, dont you think?:laugh2:
2. Coulter will be the first one, you watch and see.



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[namvet]

Sorry bout that,










1. Where is it?
2. Anyways, he isn't a muslim, but if he someday comes out and claims hes going to convert it muslim, then I will be the first to ask for him to step down.
3. Then I will bash the hell out of him.
4. I respect the highest office of the land, if its some other office, I have no respect for a muslim, whatsoever.
5. The protests were beggerly, and gutter in form, I cant respect that, I take issue with it.




Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

your beggerly, and gutter with no form. and your NOT from Texas

[red states rule]

Sorry bout,









1. No one yet, but its still kinda early, dont you think?:laugh2:
2. Coulter will be the first one, you watch and see.



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Eh, you just posted BOTH SIDES DO IT

So now you are backing off. I am starting to think you have gone liberal and just toss out the worn out talking points

Ann has never called for the MURDER of a Dem james

Now you are grasping at anything to save you from going under

[Bonnie]

Amazingly cspan has the best coverage..

I wish I could of been there with them, but I am there in spirit..

LETS ROLL...:salute:

Stephanie, I was there with my parents and some friends. It was easily a million+. The crowd completely filled Penn Ave from the capitol to the monument and spilled out to all the side blocks. Highways were shut down due to bus loads of people streaming in. It was AMAZING! People from all walks of life, political persuasions, and from every state. For the first time in a long time I feel hopeful for our republic. :salute:

[namvet]

chainsaw is a deadbeat. a blood sucker. no proof required

[red states rule]

Stephanie, I was there with my parents and some friends. It was easily a million+. The crowd completely filled Penn Ave from the capitol to the monument and spilled out to all the side blocks. Highways were shut down due to bus loads of people streaming in. It was AMAZING! People from all walks of life, political persuasions, and from every state. For the first time in a long time I feel hopeful for our republic. :salute:

and how it must piss off the liberla media how these peasents had the gall to turn out and protest against Obama, the Dems, and not see the wisdom of doing what is best for the collective

[stephanie]

Stephanie, I was there with my parents and some friends. It was easily a million+. The crowd completely filled Penn Ave from the capitol to the monument and spilled out to all the side blocks. Highways were shut down due to bus loads of people streaming in. It was AMAZING! People from all walks of life, political persuasions, and from every state. For the first time in a long time I feel hopeful for our republic. :salute:

thanks for sharing that Bonnie..I am with you on feeling some hope, and the march yesterday was a good start.. but we have to keep up and demand BOTH parties get in line with us..we are their boss, not the other way around..

:salute:

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,





your beggerly, and gutter with no form. and your NOT from Texas



1. Oh? and where and I from then?
2. Its gutter, and I stand behind that statement.
3. At least those signs represent the gutter.



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,




chainsaw is a deadbeat. a blood sucker. no proof required



1. Spoken like a namvet.
2. Hehehehehe,.......:laugh2:

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Bonnie]

and how it must piss off the liberla media how these peasents had the gall to turn out and protest against Obama, the Dems, and not see the wisdom of doing what is best for the collective


I didn't see too many media outlets but in fairness there were too many people there to make that call. We were somewhere in the middle of the crowd (multitude). I can tell you there were about 30 pro Obama activists in total. I saw so many clever signs that people made up. One lady wore a black cloak carrying a sign that read "Journalism Died In 2008" another one said "Joe Wilson next time throw A shoe". Nearly everyone there had anti Socialism, anti Marxism signs. This was the beginning of a revolution to save the republic from big government, all other spin is bullshit. We met true liberals who were terrified of the loss of free speech and government intrusion into their lives. Trust me when I tell you this was a totally non partisan protest. I think the flag that summed up the event was "Don't Tread On Me" which is the one I carried since it says exactly what I wanted to say. What a feeling of unity and happiness that we all came together in unity to take a stand. I can't wait for the next one!

[red states rule]

I didn't see too many media outlets but in fairness there were too many people there to make that call. We were somewhere in the middle of the crowd (multitude). I can tell you there were about 30 pro Obama activists in total. I saw so many clever signs that people made up. One lady wore a black cloak carrying a sign that read "Journalism Died In 2008" another one said "Joe Wilson next time throw A shoe". Nearly everyone there had anti Socialism, anti Marxism signs. This was the beginning of a revolution to save the republic from big government, all other spin is bullshit. We met true liberals who were terrified of the loss of free speech and government intrusion into their lives. Trust me when I tell you this was a totally non partisan protest. I think the flag that summed up the event was "Don't Tread On Me" which is the one I carried since it says exactly what I wanted to say. What a feeling of unity and happiness that we all came together in unity to take a stand. I can't wait for the next one!

So far today, the liberal media and talking heads are doing their best to dwnplay and smear those who turned out

Yes, they were racists. They were mean. They were making "noise"

Yet, these were the same people who said during the 8 years of Bush - dissent was cool and patriotic

[Bonnie]

So far today, the liberal media and talking heads are doing their best to dwnplay and smear those who turned out

Yes, they were racists. They were mean. They were making "noise"

Yet, these were the same people who said during the 8 years of Bush - dissent was cool and patriotic


:laugh2: They are terrified. Do you know after all those people there wasn't even any garbage left anywhere? Everyone was civil, nice, and happy but very resolute. The best sign there I thought read "2010 YOUR ALL FIRED" :coffee:

PS I love your quote. Scary that it's so true!

[red states rule]

:laugh2: They are terrified. Do you know after all those people there wasn't even any garbage left anywhere? Everyone was civil, nice, and happy but very resolute. The best sign there I thought read "2010 YOUR ALL FIRED" :coffee:

PS I love your quote. Scary that it's so true!

I saw that. Unlike the many tones of trash left behind by the left wing gloabl warming Earth loving libs on Jan 20, 2009

And there was not a bunch of private jets flying into the DC airports like there was in Jan - less Co2 emmisions being pumped into the atmosphere

[jimnyc]

Sorry bout that,
1. Where is it?
2. Anyways, he isn't a muslim, but if he someday comes out and claims hes going to convert it muslim, then I will be the first to ask for him to step down.
3. Then I will bash the hell out of him.
4. I respect the highest office of the land, if its some other office, I have no respect for a muslim, whatsoever.
5. The protests were beggerly, and gutter in form, I cant respect that, I take issue with it.




Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Here is a link to the text of Obama's speech to the Muslims:

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5532J020090604

And if you have no respect for Muslims, then why did you not answer my question about other Muslims who have been elected to office? What about Keith Ellison in congress? What about Larry Shaw? What about Saghir Tahir? All elected officials and all Muslims.

You condemn the protests as gutter in form and yet you are ignorant enough to proclaim your hatred for every single Muslim in the world for the deeds of a few. Doesn't add up to me, only screams of ignorance and someone who can't admit to the facts.

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,







Here is a link to the text of Obama's speech to the Muslims:





1. Thanks, interesting speach.






http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5532J020090604







And if you have no respect for Muslims, then why did you not answer my question about other Muslims who have been elected to office? What about Keith Ellison in congress? What about Larry Shaw? What about Saghir Tahir? All elected officials and all Muslims.





2. I don't have a lot of respect for anyone but the President.
3. All are fair game to hassle.
4. If it seems called for.








You condemn the protests as gutter in form and yet you are ignorant enough to proclaim your hatred for every single Muslim in the world for the deeds of a few.






5. Never said I hated them, I hate their book, and whats in it, as far as I know, thats justified too.




Doesn't add up to me, only screams of ignorance and someone who can't admit to the facts.





6. I set my face like flint, you won't be changing that.





Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[jimnyc]

Sorry bout that,

6. I set my face like flint, you won't be changing that.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

So what about his speech? Was it nothing more than a pack of lies that he spoke of? If you say you respect him as elected president, how do you again reconcile the respect with your own beliefs on the subject?

I completely understand that I won't be changing your mind. It always saddens me when someone refuses to be open about a debate and have their minds already made up based on hearsay, opinion columns & fear. Your hatred/contempt for Muslims and the Quran just doesn't add up. If it were aimed towards terrorists, radicals and those wishing to take a violent position, I could understand. But you seem hell bent on accusing millions of being bad people that have done nothing to deserve that tag.

[gabosaurus]

Millions? Where did you get that from? :lmao:

Even the New York Post, the most conservative of all media sources, estimated the crowd in the "tens of thousands."
The most common estimate was 40-50,000.

[red states rule]

Millions? Where did you get that from? :lmao:

Even the New York Post, the most conservative of all media sources, estimated the crowd in the "tens of thousands."
The most common estimate was 40-50,000.

http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/live912.jpg

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,





So what about his speech? Was it nothing more than a pack of lies that he spoke of? If you say you respect him as elected president, how do you again reconcile the respect with your own beliefs on the subject?

I completely understand that I won't be changing your mind. It always saddens me when someone refuses to be open about a debate and have their minds already made up based on hearsay, opinion columns & fear. Your hatred/contempt for Muslims and the Quran just doesn't add up. If it were aimed towards terrorists, radicals and those wishing to take a violent position, I could understand. But you seem hell bent on accusing millions of being bad people that have done nothing to deserve that tag.




1. I read the first three pages.
2. The rest of it didn't load.
3. Those pages I wonder what was said???
4. First three pages were more or less an olive branch, well written.
5. If he wrote it, but I doubt he did, he has to and did, reach across the great gulf, in order to extend a peaceful word, he is the President.
6. Otherwise we start dropping the bomb on them.
7. Which it may still come to that.
8. He really buttered them up, but they are who they are, no matter how he butters them.



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Jeff]

Millions? Where did you get that from? :lmao:

Even the New York Post, the most conservative of all media sources, estimated the crowd in the "tens of thousands."
The most common estimate was 40-50,000.

AAAAA Gabby all of a sudden knows the difference between a Liberal and Conservative paper, or so she thinks


Wasn't she asking just a few weeks ago what makes the LA times a liberal paper??? Me thinks she is spewing shit just to run her mouth

[Jeff]

http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/live912.jpg

Looks like quite a few to me


Something tells me Obama didn't go for a hamburger downtown today

[namvet]

Millions? Where did you get that from? :lmao:

Even the New York Post, the most conservative of all media sources, estimated the crowd in the "tens of thousands."
The most common estimate was 40-50,000.

prove it !!! your a bare faced liar. put up or shut your mouth up

prove it now !!!!!!!!!

[Bonnie]

Sorry bout that,










1. Where is it?
2. Anyways, he isn't a muslim, but if he someday comes out and claims hes going to convert it muslim, then I will be the first to ask for him to step down.
3. Then I will bash the hell out of him.
4. I respect the highest office of the land, if its some other office, I have no respect for a muslim, whatsoever.
5. The protests were beggerly, and gutter in form, I cant respect that, I take issue with it.




Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Actually most of the signs there are fairly accurate given that Obama is a Marxist, excuse me fascist... so let's just say instead of "gutter signs" we label them raw, passionate, and truthful. In fact I will go so far as to say they must be truthful based upon the reaction of the media attempting to shame any protester against Obama as racist, uninformed, hateful and my favorite rabid. Like it or not there were a million plus people there, and you can rest assured that number will grow signs and all,

I have to admit that I am grateful to Obama as it is him and his Marxist minions that have not only awakened the sleeping giant but has brought the sleeping giant to start a second revolution in this country to save our republic. My only regret is that it took things to go this far.

[Joyful HoneyBee]

I watched the event on streaming video yesterday and it was one of the most heartening things I've seen in a very long time. I have watched in my lifetime as those those had little freedom gained freedom. Then I watched as our freedom was pulled out from under us all; first, a little at a time, then in leaps and bounds, and now it just feels good to see my fellow citizens stand up and cry foul. :salute:

[emmett]

Millions? Where did you get that from? :lmao:

Even the New York Post, the most conservative of all media sources, estimated the crowd in the "tens of thousands."
The most common estimate was 40-50,000.




:lol:

Gabby, look at the pictures again. See that first little blotch of folks in between the buildings on the street? That is One hundred thousand! Now, since there are about 16 to 20 times that there, I would place the number at somewhere around 1.5 to 2 million. Now I know you hate this, but it is so.

I hate it for you!:beer:

[gabosaurus]

Produce a source that states the crowd estimate to be a million or more.
No photographs, no right-wing blogs, no "personal testimonies." Produce a source and link to it here.

[Gaffer]

One of my favorite signs was "We didn't bring guns, this time".

[Bonnie]

I watched the event on streaming video yesterday and it was one of the most heartening things I've seen in a very long time. I have watched in my lifetime as those those had little freedom gained freedom. Then I watched as our freedom was pulled out from under us all; first, a little at a time, then in leaps and bounds, and now it just feels good to see my fellow citizens stand up and cry foul. :salute:

I can't tell you how fantastic it was to be there and be part of a new revolution FOR Good!! Something very important that some liberals especially in the media Do Not Get and maybe never will is that this whole movement has been years percolating by the majority of people that don't have the time to devote to political involvement due to work, kids, etc. This wasn't a rebuke of Obama but very specifically what Obama has come to represent which is the rapid evaporation of most of our freedom at the hands of a few elites who think we are their children, their workers, and their property. Most importantly this was a fiery passionate reaffirmation of GOD given freedoms. Because of that the course of history has now been set in motion to change, and as long as we stand resolute we will all win.

[Joyful HoneyBee]

I'm sure it was exhilarating! I think we've all felt so beaten down by the system for so long that it just took a while to get geared up. Seeing the huge crowd displaying the same kind of spirit that made this great country an independent nation in the first place was amazing, even from a distance. We just have to build the momentum to an ever ascending level until we achieve the reclamation of all the freedom to which we are entitled. :salute:

[red states rule]

Produce a source that states the crowd estimate to be a million or more.
No photographs, no right-wing blogs, no "personal testimonies." Produce a source and link to it here.

I uderstand you do not want to admit that MILLONS turned out to porotest Obama, Reid, and Pelosi. In your world that is border line treason

Here is the time lapse of the people coming in

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and video from ground level

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looks like 1 to 2 million to me Gabby

[red states rule]

Here are some more pics of that crowd that turned out to say NO to more taxes and spending

http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mraco2.jpg

and now the DC Police say the crowd was over 1 million. The Dems were warned about the number of people who could, and did show up


snip

The crowd was made up of Republicans, Independents and Democrats and not only from across the political spectrum, but young and old – black and white – male and female. The protesters expressed their distrust in unaccountable lawmakers who now regularly pass bills in the middle of the night. Bills that are created by special interest organizations residing outside of the government. Bills passed without sufficient time for legislators to read or analyze the spending mandates of unparalleled size.

Even though Local police agencies estimated around 1.2 million in attendance, many detractors wish to diffuse the impact of such a large turnout that presented a loud and clear message of “hands off,” from the American people. Individuals angered with the march's success have claimed online that the number of attendees ranged from “a couple hundred to maybe a couple thousand,” while some expressed that the protest fell short of its “opposition created,” 2 million attendee expectation.

In a memo to fellow Democrats a top aide to Nancy Pelosi warned that up to 2 million people could potentially attend. The memo was most surely created for the intended purpose of being leaked; utilizing a time-tested political tactic, utilizing a groups own inertia against itself. The idea being to suggest and encourage belief in unrealistic expectations, and when those expectations are not met media sources and participants alike will claim failure of the movement.

The left blogosphere has, in mass, seized upon the figure to demean event attendance, but falls well short in it's understanding of the events success. The goals envisioned by protest organizers were two-fold; express to the lawmakers that we are here and watching, and affirm to themselves that they are a power to be reckoned with.

On the eve of the march, the Obama administration claimed that they had no idea that a rally was planned for the following day. This is most certainly untrue; The Secret Service was aware, the Speaker of the House was aware and gave warning in a memo, the Capitol police were prepared for the march, a permit was acquired that assumed an enormous number of attendees, and as the Whitehouse watches the Glenn Beck television program (they call-in during the show to ask the host to alter his language), the administration's statement is unquestionably apocryphal and only represents another in a long line of manufactured falsehoods that the American people have come to expect from this Whitehouse.

http://www.examiner.com/x-8817-Pittsburgh-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m9d13-912-Tea-Party-Success--Group-rallies-over-out-of-control-spending-Whitehouse-feigns-ignorance

[maineman]

looks like 1 to 2 million to me Gabby

I have no doubt that, to you, it does.

republican koolaid messes with your eyesight!:lol:

[red states rule]

I have no doubt that, to you, it does.

republican koolaid messes with your eyesight!:lol:

and the DC Police Virgil?

[maineman]

and the DC Police Virgil?


I haven't heard any official from that organization estimate crowd size. i DID hear an estimate from the DC FIRE DEPARTMENT that put the estimate at 70K.

[red states rule]

I haven't heard any official from that organization estimate crowd size. i DID hear an estimate from the DC FIRE DEPARTMENT that put the estimate at 70K.

See post #60 Virgil. Even the Dems knew how many would turn out. The pics looked like the ones I saw that were taken in DC on 1/20/09

My how times have changed :laugh2:

[maineman]

See post #60 Virgil. Even the Dems knew how many would turn out. The pics looked like the ones I saw that were taken in DC on 1/20/09

My how times have changed :laugh2:

you have a link to the Examiner - wherever that is - that claims that a police department estimate was as high as 1.2 million.... I saw the fire department representative estimate it at 70K.

[red states rule]

you have a link to the Examiner - wherever that is - that claims that a police department estimate was as high as 1.2 million.... I saw the fire department representative estimate it at 70K.

I understand like Gabby, you can't admit so many people tunred out to oppose Obama - but they did. Dems knew the crowd would be huge, as did the Secret Service

Here is another pic of the crowd - but keep telling yourself it was only 70,000

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/1286/912protestwashmonument.jpg

[maineman]

looks like the size of the crowds that annually attend the Ohio State-Michigan football game.
big crowd!

[red states rule]

looks like the size of the crowds that annually attend the Ohio State-Michigan football game.
big crowd!

Alot more then the crowd your drew for your Obamacare rally in maine :laugh2:


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/12/article-1213056-0666DB48000005DC-801_634x330.jpg

http://www.lookingattheleft.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/MG_01982.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2514/3914283722_2ab1385a0d_b.jpg

[red states rule]

BTW, here is a pic of the "crowd" that came out to here Virgil speak on Obamacare

http://pictopia.com/perl/get_image?provider_id=455&size=550x550_mb&ptp_photo_id=8291914

[Jeff]

It cracks me up the way these libs try to spin shit, here ya have pictures but mm will still lie like a rug, lol

Obama may get his health care passed but it will be against the American people's wishes, And that is just wrong, the libs have bussed paid idiots into town hall meetings lie about what is in black and white, Damn makes ya feel so safe knowing wehave a idiot at the helm

[red states rule]

It cracks me up the way these libs try to spin shit, here ya have pictures but mm will still lie like a rug, lol

Obama may get his health care passed but it will be against the American people's wishes, And that is just wrong, the libs have bussed paid idiots into town hall meetings lie about what is in black and white, Damn makes ya feel so safe knowing wehave a idiot at the helm

MM is pissed given the crowd that turned out to support Obamacare and other policies, and those who turned out against Obamacare and other polciies

Like talk show libs who can't stand to see the ratings of Rush, Sean, and Beck - then they look at their own ratings

[maineman]

BTW, here is a pic of the "crowd" that came out to here Virgil speak on Obamacare



at least you used the right photo and not that one of some other guy at the Portland rally!:lol:

[red states rule]

at least you used the right photo and not that one of some other guy at the Portland rally!:lol:

I guess they used a wide angle lens on this one to fit you and the huge crowd into the frame :laugh2:

[Jeff]

at least you used the right photo and not that one of some other guy at the Portland rally!:lol:

Wow big crowd, LOL, but I bet in that same area if there was a town hall meeting there would of been thousands, bussed in anyway

[red states rule]

Wow big crowd, LOL, but I bet in that same area if there was a town hall meeting there would of been thousands, bussed in anyway

Actually, this is Virgil and all his friends he invited to the rally. :laugh2:

[maineman]

Wow big crowd, LOL, but I bet in that same area if there was a town hall meeting there would of been thousands, bussed in anyway

you missed the point... but that's pretty standard for you.:lol:

[red states rule]

you missed the point... but that's pretty standard for you.:lol:

We all saw the point on top of your bald head :laugh2:

Borrom line is, millions turned out in DC - and you refuse to admit it. Despite photos that prove it

[maineman]

We all saw the point on top of your bald head :laugh2:

Borrom line is, millions turned out in DC - and you refuse to admit it. Despite photos that prove it


photos don't PROVE anything... and you ignore the fact that you incorrectly posted photos of a portland rally that you claimed I attended when in fact I attended the augusta rally.

you really hate admitting your mistakes, don't you?:poke:

[maineman]

http://media.ohio.com/images/OHKS111_Northwester_7801667.jpg

that's 106K

I certainly don't think that any of the photos I have seen represent TEN of these stadium crowds stacked end to end.

[red states rule]

http://media.ohio.com/images/OHKS111_Northwester_7801667.jpg

that's 106K

I certainly don't think that any of the photos I have seen represent TEN of these stadium crowds stacked end to end.

Funny how the media said the crowd was over a million when similar pics of 1/20/09 were published

You libs can't deal with reality Virgil

[maineman]

Funny how the media said the crowd was over a million when similar pics of 1/20/09 were published

You libs can't deal with reality Virgil

Here is what I know:

The photo is of Ohio State's football stadium filled to capacity: 106K a verifiable number.

When I look at that picture and I look at the pictures of DC....I do not think that the pictures in DC depict a crowd that equals TEN Ohio State football stadiums filled to capacity.

If you do.... that's fine.

and you STILL refuse to admit that you fucked up about the maine rally photos.

you really don't like to admit you're wrong, do you?:poke:

[red states rule]

Here is what I know:

The photo is of Ohio State's football stadium filled to capacity: 106K a verifiable number.

When I look at that picture and I look at the pictures of DC....I do not think that the pictures in DC depict a crowd that equals TEN Ohio State football stadiums filled to capacity.

If you do.... that's fine.

and you STILL refuse to admit that you fucked up about the maine rally photos.

you really don't like to admit you're wrong, do you?:poke:

Why do you still ignore photos that show DC was overrun with anti Obama protesters? The crowd in clearly over 1 million

Simple, you do give a damn about how his polices hurt the country - only pushing Dem polices

To you the results of those policies do not matter - only the increased power and a political win

Part over country everytime with you Virgil

[maineman]

Why do you still ignore photos that show DC was overrun with anti Obama protesters? The crowd in clearly over 1 million



Clearly, I do not think that the crowd looks like ten Ohio State football stadiums stacked end to end.

can you honestly look at the stadium picture and say that the photo on the mall equates to ten of those crowds put together?

and you STILL can't admit you screwed up about the maine rally pictures.

sad

[Nukeman]

Clearly, I do not think that the crowd looks like ten Ohio State football stadiums stacked end to end.

can you honestly look at the stadium picture and say that the photo on the mall equates to ten of those crowds put together?

and you STILL can't admit you screwed up about the maine rally pictures.

sadThe "ohio state" pic is quite impressive however it was not taken with a "straight" lens. it is warped to impress and add depth that is not there.

Show a straight on heads up airial view and we will talk not the fisheyed lens that was used there....

[maineman]

The "ohio state" pic is quite impressive however it was not taken with a "straight" lens. it is warped to impress and add depth that is not there.

Show a straight on heads up airial view and we will talk not the fisheyed lens that was used there....

no sweat

http://ncaafootballfreak.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/ohio-state-buckeyes-ohio-stadium-print-c10041893.jpeg

do you really see TEN of those crowds lined up end to end in the DC pictures?

I sure don't.

[Nukeman]

no sweat

http://ncaafootballfreak.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/ohio-state-buckeyes-ohio-stadium-print-c10041893.jpeg

do you really see TEN of those crowds lined up end to end in the DC pictures?

I sure don't.

what 10 little red x's

[jimnyc]

I'm not 100% sold on the "millions" estimate, but there was most certainly well over 100-200k there. I have watched extensive footage and read just about every article imaginable, from both right and left sources. From prior events, put up against the many videos and photos of how much space was taken up - I would estimate easily over 400k attended.

[Nukeman]

I'm not 100% sold on the "millions" estimate, but there was most certainly well over 100-200k there. I have watched extensive footage and read just about every article imaginable, from both right and left sources. From prior events, put up against the many videos and photos of how much space was taken up - I would estimate easily over 400k attended.
I would have to agree with you!!! I don't think there were 2 million either but there was more than "tens of thousands" they should be reporting hundreds of thousands!!!! IMHO

[bullypulpit]

Amazingly cspan has the best coverage..

I wish I could of been there with them, but I am there in spirit..

LETS ROLL...:salute:

Sorry dearie, but that number is one that Michelle Malkin simply pulled from her ass. Hell, even FOX Noise didn't report "2 million" protestors. Wake up and smell the coffee dearie.

[glockmail]

The last time the National Park Service was allowed to make an official estimate was for the Million Man March, and they estimated 400,000. All one needs to do is compare photos of the that with the TEA event and get a decent estimate. It's pretty clear that claiming "tens of thousands" is disingenuous at best.

[stephanie]

Sorry dearie, but that number is one that Michelle Malkin simply pulled from her ass. Hell, even FOX Noise didn't report "2 million" protestors. Wake up and smell the coffee dearie.


speaking of asses, dearie..here is your coffee..:coffee:

[cat slave]

Over a million has been reported in a number of news casts. It cannot be
played down. It is what it is. We are fed up and ready to fight for our
country and our own wealth (more or less).

Signed,
A right wing extremist wearing astro turf and wandering aimlessly under
the instructions of ......?.......?......oh, but wait, there was no one instructing
me me to do anything! Guess that also means that I wont be receiving a
check for my time and energy....oh well. Wonder if ACORN is hiring, but
Im white and they are in trouble so thats not a good idea. Hehe!!!

[No1tovote4]

That was just a bit high of an estimate, I think it was more like 100,000 there. However, that is an exponential increase from the last one and it is very heartening to see people protesting government power grabs. I see the sleeping giant waking up, and if it continues along these lines 2010 will indeed be a good year for republicans.

[Joyful HoneyBee]

It is interesting that the numbers from American press services come in so low. The foreign press estimates are a little higher.....]

http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2009/09/12/foreign-press-up-to-2-million-attended-912-march-on-washington-time-lapse-video-of-march/

[Little-Acorn]

From Little Acorns... Mighty Marxists Grow



I beg your pardon?

:coffee:

[red states rule]

This will depres the Obama drones


9/12 demonstration a record DC turnout: National Park Service

Thomas Lifson
The truth will out. Despite mainstream media attempts to characterize turnout as in the thousands, a spokesman for the National Park Service, Dan Bana, is quoted as saying "It is a record.... We believe it is the largest event held in Washington, D.C., ever."

Democrats and their media acolytes may wish this weren't so, and they may even employ the Ostrich Strategy, burying their collective heads in the sand, pretending that a major important political movement isn't happening. But they only hasten their own demise in doing so.

Meanwhile, Gateway Pundit compares the littler left behind on 9/12 with the aftermath of the Obama inauguration. It is a startling contrast.


http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/9%2012%20conservatives.jpg

and Jan 20, 2009


http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/9%2012%20obama%20fans2.jpg

[red states rule]

It is interesting that the numbers from American press services come in so low. The foreign press estimates are a little higher.....]

http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2009/09/12/foreign-press-up-to-2-million-attended-912-march-on-washington-time-lapse-video-of-march/

and the left wing blooger chime in.


Leftwing Blogosphere Dreams Up Bizarre Conspiracy Theories to Explain Away DC 9/12 Time Lapse Video
By P.J. Gladnick (Bio | Archive)
September 14, 2009 - 21:41 ET

The leftwing blogosphere has been trying to convince themselves and others that the attendance at the 9/12 Washington, D.C. Tea Party was fairly small. However, there is one really big problem for them. How to explain away a highly inconvenient time lapse video from a camera showing massive numbers of Tea Party folks parading down Pennsylvania Avenue (video below the fold). The way they get around to explaining away what our lyin' eyes tell us on that video is to devise the most hilarious set of conspiracy theories you can imagine.

Why is flag in the video at half staff? How come it is suddenly at full staff? Why does a man appear and suddenly disappear in the video? The flag flap doesn't match the wind speed. Etc., etc., etc..

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2009/09/14/leftwing-blogosphere-dreams-bizarre-conspiracy-theories-explain-away-d

and

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4056918

and

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/9/12/781110/-Is-Malkin-Selling-Phony-March-Numbers-(Updated-2X)

[bullypulpit]

speaking of asses, dearie..here is your coffee..:coffee:

Whilst I drink the coffee...you're still drinking the kool-aid...

<center><a href=http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/09/14/march/index.html>How did the 9/12 protest crowd compare?</a></center>

<center><a href=http://mediamatters.org/columns/200909140039>Michelle Malkin and the anatomy of the 2 million protester lie</a></center>

<blockquote>According to estimates provided by the Washington, D.C., fire department, Malkin and friends were only off by 1,930,000 people. In other words, Malkin, citing fictitious press accounts, led the charge to falsely inflate the size of the crowd by 30 times. Malkin and company, desperate to dress up the tea party event as a mass movement, saw a relatively modest crowd of 70,000 GOP protesters and imagined it was 2 million strong. (She's a dreamer, I suppose.)

Worse, Malkin spent most of Saturday in denial, refusing to update her transparently false report, which meant the rest of the right-wing blogosphere also played dumb on a massive scale and kept excitedly repeating the manufactured claim. The scary part is that within the fact-free conservative blogosphere, lots of people still believe the 2 million nonsense, or are at least repeating it. They believe it despite the fact that <b><i>nobody</i> can point to any evidence to support it</b>.</blockquote>

If they'd been able to sterilize all those folks, notable for their absence of anyone of color, the gene-pool in this nation would have benefited for generations to come. If your intransigence weren't so pathetic, it would be hilarious.

[stephanie]

Whilst I drink the coffee...you're still drinking the kool-aid...

<center><a href=http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/09/14/march/index.html>How did the 9/12 protest crowd compare?</a></center>

<center><a href=http://mediamatters.org/columns/200909140039>Michelle Malkin and the anatomy of the 2 million protester lie</a></center>

<blockquote>According to estimates provided by the Washington, D.C., fire department, Malkin and friends were only off by 1,930,000 people. In other words, Malkin, citing fictitious press accounts, led the charge to falsely inflate the size of the crowd by 30 times. Malkin and company, desperate to dress up the tea party event as a mass movement, saw a relatively modest crowd of 70,000 GOP protesters and imagined it was 2 million strong. (She's a dreamer, I suppose.)

Worse, Malkin spent most of Saturday in denial, refusing to update her transparently false report, which meant the rest of the right-wing blogosphere also played dumb on a massive scale and kept excitedly repeating the manufactured claim. The scary part is that within the fact-free conservative blogosphere, lots of people still believe the 2 million nonsense, or are at least repeating it. They believe it despite the fact that <b><i>nobody</i> can point to any evidence to support it</b>.</blockquote>

If they'd been able to sterilize all those folks, notable for their absence of anyone of color, the gene-pool in this nation would have benefited for generations to come. If your intransigence weren't so pathetic, it would be hilarious.


if it was so unimportant, why are you lefties still talking about, spinning and spinning on about it?..
back to the color thing eh..is that is all you lefties think about..the hell if it's just PEOPLE..what color are Hispanic, Asians, Germans, etc etc? and please also tell us what all their party affiliations were at the protest while your at it..
and why would there be many blacks there, when 99% of them voted for the little Marxist..and do you find that percentage kinda racist?

[emmett]

if it was so unimportant, why are you lefties still talking about, spinning and spinning on about it?..
back to the color thing eh..is that is all you lefties think about..the hell if it's just PEOPLE..what color are Hispanic, Asians, Germans, etc etc? and please also tell us what all their party affiliations were at the protest while your at it..
and why would there be many blacks there, when 99% of them voted for the little Marxist..and do you find that percentage kinda racist?



Lets see....how did they say it on Batman when someone got conked on the head real hard?


FWAP!!!!!

[bullypulpit]

if it was so unimportant, why are you lefties still talking about, spinning and spinning on about it?..
back to the color thing eh..is that is all you lefties think about..the hell if it's just PEOPLE..what color are Hispanic, Asians, Germans, etc etc? and please also tell us what all their party affiliations were at the protest while your at it..
and why would there be many blacks there, when 99% of them voted for the little Marxist..and do you find that percentage kinda racist?

Because you and your fellow travelers insist on lying about it. Hell...even Glenn Beck who promoted the event morning, noon and night...couldn't be troubled to show up.

[stephanie]

Because you and your fellow travelers insist on lying about it. Hell...even Glenn Beck who promoted the event morning, noon and night...couldn't be troubled to show up.

Pfffeeeesh, Beck only promoted it, it wasn't about him..
the only one stressing about how many and spinning your asses off about it is you lefties, why there hasn't been a actual count, who knows..they seem to be able to count all the others...but who really cares, there were a LOT of people there and it is only the beginning...so sit back and enjoy...dearie:poke:

[bullypulpit]

Pfffeeeesh, Beck only promoted it, it wasn't about him..
the only one stressing about how many and spinning your asses off about it is you lefties, why there hasn't been a actual count, who knows..they seem to be able to count all the others...but who really cares, there were a LOT of people there and it is only the beginning...so sit back and enjoy...dearie:poke:

Indeed, it is the beginning...the beginning of the end of the GOP. Especially when so many congressional GOP'ers made themselves a part of the "million" loon march. The lunatic fringe has now become the GOP mainstream. Y'all go right ahead and die on that hill. Heh. :coffee:

[stephanie]

Indeed, it is the beginning...the beginning of the end of the GOP. Especially when so many congressional GOP'ers made themselves a part of the "million" loon march. The lunatic fringe has now become the GOP mainstream. Y'all go right ahead and die on that hill. Heh. :coffee:


that must be one big wet dream ya got going on there..

you all are running scared and you know it..or you wouldn't be this shrill or panicked so soon..what, watching the little Marxist poll numbers drop like a rock isn't blowing your all skirts up? are ya thinking just maybe the little Marxist might be a One Termer?
and how many times you all finally win a election, we hear the same ole crap, the GOP IS DEAD...lol

we are here, we are coming for ya...:dance:

[Kathianne]

Indeed, it is the beginning...the beginning of the end of the GOP. Especially when so many congressional GOP'ers made themselves a part of the "million" loon march. The lunatic fringe has now become the GOP mainstream. Y'all go right ahead and die on that hill. Heh. :coffee:

I've not seen any estimates regarding the number of people that showed up around the country last Saturday, just the ongoing debate on numbers in DC. Take all the venues together, guaranteed there were over 3.5 million. That's what you are ignoring, Bully. Which members of Congress, not just Blue Dogs, have noticed. :cuckoo: These people are ignored at your party's peril.

Over 1500 showed up for my county's. In the very 'blue' state of ILLINOIS.

http://www.dupagegop.com/

In Quincy, IL it was nearly double:

http://www.whig.com/story/news/Tea-Party----WEB

[red states rule]

More numbers are coming out


A REVOLUTIONARY IDEA
Just how many marched on D.C.?
Estimates start at 60,000, rise to as high as 2 million

Posted: September 14, 2009
8:24 pm Eastern


By Chelsea Schilling
© 2009 WorldNetDaily


Just how many people turned out at the Sept. 12 march on Washington?

Politifact reported that Pete Piringer, public affairs officer for the Washington, D.C., Fire and Emergency Department "unofficially" estimated that between 60,000 and 75,000 people attended the march.

Officers with the Washington, D.C. Metropolitan Police Department told WND the department does not provide crowd estimates. Capitol police declined to comment.

However, Wizbang estimated between 500,000 and 1 million. The blog displays the following time-lapse image of the march:

http://www.wnd.com/images/BA1.jpg


<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/6KezSMQBLoU&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/6KezSMQBLoU&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>



http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109844

[red states rule]

if it was so unimportant, why are you lefties still talking about, spinning and spinning on about it?..
back to the color thing eh..is that is all you lefties think about..the hell if it's just PEOPLE..what color are Hispanic, Asians, Germans, etc etc? and please also tell us what all their party affiliations were at the protest while your at it..
and why would there be many blacks there, when 99% of them voted for the little Marxist..and do you find that percentage kinda racist?


BP is all upset because now the people are turning on Obama, Reid, pelosi, and their tax and spend policies

Protests were cool when Bush was President. Dissent was patriotic when you spoke out against the Republicans. You were a patriotic when you opposed polices proposed by the Bush administration

Now if you dare to speak out while Dems are in charge - well you are a Nazi. You are a racist. You can't accept a black man as President. You are a loon. In BP's world these people must be silenced. They must be smeared

All that matters to people like BP, Virgil, and Gabby is one thing and one thing only. More power for the Democrat party.

They honestly do not give a rats ass about how Obama's polices will harm the US economy. They do not care how many people will be put out of work. They do not care ow much more in taxes they wil suck out our pockets. They do not care how much more in debt they will put the nation and force our great great grandchildren to pay

All they want is bigger government. More entitement programs. More people looking to government for their wants, need, and desires. More people is misery and who are willing to turn over more of their lives to government control

The people who turned out on 9/12 are a threat to their agenda. Rather then try to talk to them and admit a growing part of the population is losing trust and faith in the Dems - they lash out in anger and outrage

[Agnapostate]

Nearly everyone there had anti Socialism, anti Marxism signs.

That should be sufficient to illustrate their ignorance of political economy.

[emmett]

That should be sufficient to illustrate their ignorance of political economy.


That should be sufficient to illustrate "your" ignorance of political economy.

[Agnapostate]

That should be sufficient to illustrate "your" ignorance of political economy.

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[emmett]

Give me an example of a successful Socialist Libertarian country that is in existance today.

[Agnapostate]

I did, but why are you derailing threads with obsession about that? My focus here was on rebuttal of the "government = socialism" fallacy, typically used to falsely associate liberalism with socialism. Liberalism and socialism are in fact antithetical because of the role of the welfare state in maintaining macroeconomic stabilization in general and sustaining the physical efficiency and employment of the working class, the latter constituting a sustainment of static efficiency. This role occurs in the context of the capitalist economy, which means that the welfare state is supporting the existence of the prevailing arrangement of the private ownership of the means of production. It's therefore ironically economic rightists who are greater allies of socialists, as their favored policies will destabilize capitalism.

[emmett]

And your thread related to the number of people at the rally in Washington how again? Because that is what the thread was about. I simply jumped off of the train with you. LOL.

Look man....I'm fascinated at your historical knowledge of politics, culture and so forth. Of course to communicate with the average person you will need to tune down the vocab for us dummies a bit. I love it when folks talk in hard to understand vocabulary as a way of thinking they can push across apoint without rebuking. Fact is you lose people's interest.

The robot society you envision would be great if everybody participated however for a system like what you speak of to be effiecient, everybody would have to work.....not happening in this country pal. We have folks who have become addicted to freebies and handouts and they aren't going to lift a finger unless they have to. In this perfect Socialist Libertarian society you speak of, what happens to them?

[Agnapostate]

This has nothing to do with libertarianism or socialism. That was exactly my point; I was responding to the inaccurate rightist mention of socialism, or worse, Marxism, in response to the liberal democratic capitalism of the present administration. It's an abuse of accurate terminology.

[bullypulpit]

that must be one big wet dream ya got going on there..

you all are running scared and you know it..or you wouldn't be this shrill or panicked so soon..what, watching the little Marxist poll numbers drop like a rock isn't blowing your all skirts up? are ya thinking just maybe the little Marxist might be a One Termer?
and how many times you all finally win a election, we hear the same ole crap, the GOP IS DEAD...lol

we are here, we are coming for ya...:dance:

Afraid of what...? The politically ignorant and naive? Sub-rosa racism? People who don't even know the definitions of the words they bandy about...? Words like "socialism", "Marxism", "communism" and "Nazi"?

So come if you want, my powder is dry and my knives are sharp.

[red states rule]

Afraid of what...? The politically ignorant and naive? Sub-rosa racism? People who don't even know the definitions of the words they bandy about...? Words like "socialism", "Marxism", "communism" and "Nazi"?

So come if you want, my powder is dry and my knives are sharp.

You are scared BP, very scared

and as the evidence mounts on the huge turnout, the left is upset now that Fox news covered the rally, and gave time to the Obama dissenters



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and BP they liberal media tags the dissenters as - gasp - racists


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[CSM]

In the end, it is far easier to attack the protesters than it is to investigate the issues that instigated the protests! Why examine the issues when you can simply smear the opposition?

I know, I know, "look what happened when Bush was president ... blah...blah...blah" .

[red states rule]

In the end, it is far easier to attack the protesters than it is to investigate the issues that instigated the protests! Why examine the issues when you can simply smear the opposition?

I know, I know, "look what happened when Bush was president ... blah...blah...blah" .

Like my liberal co worker, the last thing the Obama drones want to talk about is the "success" of, and facts about Obama's policies

If they make the story about the dissenters, and not what they are opposed to - they can avoid the debate. A debate they know they are losing

[maineman]

In the end, it is far easier to attack the protesters than it is to investigate the issues that instigated the protests! Why examine the issues when you can simply smear the opposition?

I know, I know, "look what happened when Bush was president ... blah...blah...blah" .

the issues that instigated the protests are the issues of the people who LOST the election. They are upset about the direction the country is moving, and I understand that. I am not smearing them... I merely point out that elections have consequences. When you WIN, you have AT LEAST two years to do as much of the stuff that you campaigned on that you can get passed. If those initiatives piss off the opposition enough so that they can mobilize themselves and win the NEXT election, then they get to have their turn... and so it goes.

[red states rule]

the issues that instigated the protests are the issues of the people who LOST the election. They are upset about the direction the country is moving, and I understand that. I am not smearing them... I merely point out that elections have consequences. When you WIN, you have AT LEAST two years to do as much of the stuff that you campaigned on that you can get passed. If those initiatives piss off the opposition enough so that they can mobilize themselves and win the NEXT election, then they get to have their turn... and so it goes.

So dissent was cool when Bush was President - but now it is racist when Obama is President?

Over a million people turn out, and all the left does is attack.

[Joe Steel]

Just because it was called "The Million Moron March" doesn't mean a million morons actually showed-up. The low-end estimates more likely are correct. The number of misfits, malcontents and miscreants in the US just isn't as great as you think it is.

[CSM]

the issues that instigated the protests are the issues of the people who LOST the election. They are upset about the direction the country is moving, and I understand that. I am not smearing them... I merely point out that elections have consequences. When you WIN, you have AT LEAST two years to do as much of the stuff that you campaigned on that you can get passed. If those initiatives piss off the opposition enough so that they can mobilize themselves and win the NEXT election, then they get to have their turn... and so it goes.

First, I don't recall accussing you personally of anything.

Second, part of the problem is that elections do indeed have consequences and winning elections do as well. Part of winning an election (at least in my opinion) is the assumption of responsibility for the welfgare of this nation ... both short term and long term.

Third, it would all work just fine if our elected officials would truly have the welfare of this nation as an objective instead of the retention of power. I dont think EITHER party has made a reasonable case that their particular agenda is what is best for the citizens of this country.

Fourth, politician's (of all stripes) first act in office, once winning an election is to begin campaigning for the next election and that to me is just plain wrong.

[red states rule]

Just because it was called "The Million Moron March" doesn't mean a million morons actually showed-up. The low-end estimates more likely are correct. The number of misfits, malcontents and miscreants in the US just isn't as great as you think it is.

There was a huge amount of people there. More importanly, there were a huge number of people watching from home, cheering them on.

It wasn't 25 people on a street corner holding up pathetic little signs as a "preacher" pushes for Obamacre

When you've got that many people, paying for airline tickets and getting on planes, riding a bus for a week or driving in from out of state...at their own expense. That isn't astroturf. That ain't small potatoes.

It takes a lot for fiscally conservative people to open their mouths, let alone get onto a plane to make a point.

Keep smearing them Joe, since that is all you can do. You can't counter them with facts and point out where they are wrong

[CSM]

Just because it was called "The Million Moron March" doesn't mean a million morons actually showed-up. The low-end estimates more likely are correct. The number of misfits, malcontents and miscreants in the US just isn't as great as you think it is.

So they had a "Million Moron March" at the same time? How fortuitous! Did you go?

[red states rule]

So they had a "Million Moron March" at the same time? How fortuitous! Did you go?

I am sure Joe is somewhere in the pic

http://pictopia.com/perl/get_image?provider_id=455&size=550x550_mb&ptp_photo_id=8291914

[CSM]

I am sure Joe is somewhere in the pic

http://pictopia.com/perl/get_image?provider_id=455&size=550x550_mb&ptp_photo_id=8291914

Dang! looks like the entire population of Maine showed up!

[red states rule]

Dang! looks like the entire population of Maine showed up!

It was a great turnout that came as a surprise to the "experts"

[glockmail]

Afraid of what...? The politically ignorant and naive? Sub-rosa racism? People who don't even know the definitions of the words they bandy about...? Words like "socialism", "Marxism", "communism" and "Nazi"?

So come if you want, my powder is dry and my knives are sharp. You're willing to raise up arms for Chimpy McPresident?:laugh2:

[Joe Steel]

There was a huge amount of people there. More importanly, there were a huge number of people watching from home, cheering them on.

No more that 75,000.

Pitiful considering the non-stop pimping it got.


When you've got that many people, paying for airline tickets and getting on planes, riding a bus for a week or driving in from out of state...at their own expense. That isn't astroturf. That ain't small potatoes.

In fact, it was. If a million morons really had shown-up, we would have heard about airport crowding, traffic congestion and huge lines at the portable restrooms. We didn't because this was nothing. This was a crowd a football game.

[Binky]

Well, you know what? If it were possible, every single American should be there raising cain, protesting what the powers that be have been doing to America. If I could be there, I'd be right there with them, protesting all the way...

It's called freedom of speech and the right to assemble. Which so happens we are losing in this country. I find it very impressive that so many actually felt passionate enough to go and spend days in such an overcrowded mess. But they are doing it to make a point and to tell our illustrous leaders that WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH. What does it take to open peoples eyes? Apparently a president who seems dead set on moving us in a direction that America does not stand for........ Socalized this. Fascits that. Totaltarian this. Communism that. And freedom, for which America stands for, is being pushed, shoved and bludgeoned, to make way for a more controlled environment.....

[SassyLady]

In fact, it was. If a million morons really had shown-up, we would have heard about airport crowding, traffic congestion and huge lines at the portable restrooms. We didn't because this was nothing. This was a crowd a football game.

The majority of the grass roots anti-government movement actually have jobs as opposed to the people in the movement to get Obama elected. Calling on his union buddies at SEIU and AFL-CIO to attend a rally while on the payroll is unethical. Notice that lately he is speaking at mostly pro-union rallies....he is trying to pump up his confidence because the tea party rallies are rattling him and his cronies.

Has anyone else noticed how "old and used" he's looking already. It's been less than a year and he looks as if the weight of the world is on his shoulders.........and America hasn't even been attacked yet.

Any odds on whether he can hold up under the pressure for another 3 years?

[stephanie]

he is looking a little ragged, but all that traveling and teleprompter reading must get hard on the body..

I bet he's saying.... damn what did I DO...I thought this was going to be a piece of cake, at least that is what my bosses told me.

[Binky]

he is looking a little ragged, but all that traveling and teleprompter reading must get hard on the body..

I bet he's saying.... damn what did I DO...I thought this was going to be a piece of cake, at least that is what my bosses told me.


:laugh2::laugh2: Everytime I see him on the tube of late, I'm checkin' to see how many grey hairs he as gotten in the short time he's been in office... Something tells me he's going to accumulate a vast amount of 'em over the next year.......:laugh2:

[CSM]

No more that 75,000.

Pitiful considering the non-stop pimping it got.



In fact, it was. If a million morons really had shown-up, we would have heard about airport crowding, traffic congestion and huge lines at the portable restrooms. We didn't because this was nothing. This was a crowd a football game.

You didn't hear about it because the media didn't want to report on it. It's that simple.

You just keep calling everyone that is in opposition to your stance a moron; I'm sure it helps insulate you from reality.

[Monkeybone]

just wait CSM.. you haven't gotten "No...you're wrong" or "try again" from him yet. he has a list of such persuasive arguments that will completely blow you out of the water and make you change your mind.

[Monkeybone]

Well, you know what? If it were possible, every single American should be there raising cain, protesting what the powers that be have been doing to America. If I could be there, I'd be right there with them, protesting all the way...

It's called freedom of speech and the right to assemble. Which so happens we are losing in this country. I find it very impressive that so many actually felt passionate enough to go and spend days in such an overcrowded mess. But they are doing it to make a point and to tell our illustrous leaders that WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH. What does it take to open peoples eyes? Apparently a president who seems dead set on moving us in a direction that America does not stand for........ Socalized this. Fascits that. Totaltarian this. Communism that. And freedom, for which America stands for, is being pushed, shoved and bludgeoned, to make way for a more controlled environment.....

It's becasue they know how things should be done Binky. we just aren't smart enough to get it... yet. but they will show us.

[Agnapostate]

he is looking a little ragged, but all that traveling and teleprompter reading must get hard on the body..

To say nothing of the mind. :)

http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/files/2009/03/reaganteleprompter.png

[emmett]

Oh....that's a great example Agno, compare an 80 year old man to a 45 year old. Now THAT must have taken some real research ability on your part. Good job sir!

Next let's take Barack and GW Sr. to the airport for a little skydiving what do you think?

[maineman]

Oh....that's a great example Agno, compare an 80 year old man to a 45 year old. Now THAT must have taken some real research ability on your part. Good job sir!

Next let's take Barack and GW Sr. to the airport for a little skydiving what do you think?

how about to the basketball court for a little game of horse?

[red states rule]

You didn't hear about it because the media didn't want to report on it. It's that simple.

You just keep calling everyone that is in opposition to your stance a moron; I'm sure it helps insulate you from reality.

The "mainstream media" is no more mainstream than the left they serve. They report the world as they WANT it to be seen. They have completely botched it in just the past few weeks, ignoring two huge stories, Van Jones and ACORN. And they look like fools.

A lot of the mainstream world watches network news because that's all they really know. That's what they've always watched. Some of them have never even been online, much less own a computer. As strange as it seems to me, I know a few people like that. They don't get the news the left media distorts or doesn't tell them through other sources online. They just believe what they hear on TV because that's what they've done all of their lives.

[red states rule]

how about to the basketball court for a little game of horse?

Well, you will be the horses ass

[glockmail]

how about to the basketball court for a little game of horse? I'll ski against your butt buddy John Kerry any day. Or compare my NASTAR handicap with yours in golf. :lol:

[glockmail]

To say nothing of the mind. :)

http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/files/2009/03/reaganteleprompter.png
Reagan never had to rely on it.

[emmett]

how about to the basketball court for a little game of horse?



How about to the skies of hostile wartorn areas during war and see who can shoot down the most enemy planes. Oh never mind....GW Sr already proved that at a younger age than anyone in history, he could shoot down more enemy planes in a shorter time and less flight hours than ANYBODY who ever crawled into the cockpit of a fighter aircraft....so...that one wouldn't be fair.

:poke:


GW Sr :salute:



NOTE: Today must be my day for having my way with this chump!

[Joe Steel]

The majority of the grass roots anti-government movement actually have jobs as opposed to the people in the movement to get Obama elected.

Where did you get your information? I'd like to see it.

Frankly, I think you're wrong. Liberals are known to be far more intelligent than Conservatives so they're far more likely to be employed.

[emmett]

Where did you get your information? I'd like to see it.

Frankly, I think you're wrong. Liberals are known to be far more intelligent than Conservatives so they're far more likely to be employed.



:lol:


The majority of the grass roots anti-government movement actually have jobs

Silly woman.....you should know a homeless vagrant drunk who has been transported to the voting booth in a mission van is far more intelligent than a young conservative entreprenuer who invests everything they have in a change jar into starting a business.:laugh2:


And besides...we have dependable sources like Joe here to clear it up for us if we don;t.

[Nukeman]

Where did you get your information? I'd like to see it.

Frankly, I think you're wrong. Liberals are known to be far more intelligent than Conservatives so they're far more likely to be employed.

Care to show us the study on this ohh enlighten one???

I find this complete and total BS NO politicle leaning or affiliation equates to inteligence!!!!!!

[Joe Steel]

You didn't hear about it because the media didn't want to report on it. It's that simple.

Why would they do that?

The media love disasters. There's nothing which increases viewership like a good disaster.


You just keep calling everyone that is in opposition to your stance a moron; I'm sure it helps insulate you from reality.

No, I call them morons because it's easier than all the keying I'd have to do to call them call them "persons suffering from WMD (willful mass delusion) and GOP (general obstruction pathology.)"

[Nukeman]

To say nothing of the mind. :)

http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/files/2009/03/reaganteleprompter.png

Its one thing to USE a teleprompter but to be completely dependent upon one is a totaly different matter

[CSM]

Why would they do that?

"WHY" indeed!

The media love disasters. There's nothing which increases viewership like a good disaster.

True enough, that's why the current administration is all the news these days!

No, I call them morons because it's easier than all the keying I'd have to do to call them call them "persons suffering from WMD (willful mass delusion) and GOP (general obstruction pathology.)"

Aw cmon, we know the real reason you call them morons and it has nothing to do with your laziness!


You are kind of amusing ... for a very short time at least.

[cat slave]

Most of the coverage in the liberal media "reports" the crowd in the "tens of thousands" when the number is closer to 2 MILLION

The liberal media is trying to downplay the turnout - but the messaage is clear

Here is a CNN reporter VS real community organizers


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Well, we all knew "they" would downplay the numbers. Thats ok, it was
what it was and we know it.

[red states rule]

Well, we all knew "they" would downplay the numbers. Thats ok, it was
what it was and we know it.

When downplaying the numbers did not work - they pulled the race card from the bottom of the deck

[namvet]

they did make Pelosi cry on TV :dance:

[Sitarro]

Here are some of the people that the major networks weren't interested in covering.

http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv299/Sitarro2009/stuff/image002.jpg

http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv299/Sitarro2009/stuff/image001.jpg

http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv299/Sitarro2009/stuff/image003.jpg

http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv299/Sitarro2009/stuff/image005.jpg

http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv299/Sitarro2009/stuff/image006.jpg

[red states rule]

In the Bush years, libs loved dissent. They loved to see people speaking out

Not that they are running things, all the dissent is not because pople oppose liberal tax and spend polices - no they are speaking out because they are racists

[Psychoblues]

70,000 tops and thats including approximately 20,000 Black Family Reunion and another 30,000 various sightseers that vistit the mall every weekend.

I think the teabaggers are just that. They are are simply teabaggers.

:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

[Sitarro]

More........

http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv299/Sitarro2009/stuff/image007.jpg

http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv299/Sitarro2009/stuff/image011.jpg

http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv299/Sitarro2009/stuff/image012.jpg

http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv299/Sitarro2009/stuff/image013.jpg

http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv299/Sitarro2009/stuff/image014.jpg

[namvet]

looks like shove it up your ass Osama

[Sitarro]

A few more.........

http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv299/Sitarro2009/stuff/image015.jpg

http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv299/Sitarro2009/stuff/image017.jpg

These guys were from the former USSR..........

http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv299/Sitarro2009/stuff/image020.jpg

http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv299/Sitarro2009/stuff/image022.jpg

And my favorite sign.........

http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv299/Sitarro2009/stuff/image010.jpg

[Sitarro]

70,000 tops and thats including approximately 20,000 Black Family Reunion and another 30,000 various sightseers that vistit the mall every weekend.

I think the teabaggers are just that. They are are simply teabaggers.

:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

You think???? When did you start to do that?

[Sitarro]

how about to the basketball court for a little game of horse?

How about a bowling alley, he can go up against the Special Olympics champ.

[Sitarro]

Barry's crowd of dildos, that showed up to witness his inauguration, left 130 tons of trash behind including their trashing of American flags that they threw to the ground and walked on. The Tea Party crowd didn't need mommy government to clean up behind them, there wasn't anything there to clean up.

[Psychoblues]

I think the dildos were a FoxNews aspiration but 70,000 is still the tops reported by any credible source and even then the number is obfuscated by the other visitors and patriotic admirers. It's a shame that the teabaggers didn't have patriotism in mind as they violated our nation monuments and otherwise sacred spaces.

:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

[red states rule]

Here is another pic of the massive turnout. 70,000 is way off and about half the actual turnout


http://iowntheworld.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/capitol-view-lo-res.jpg

[maineman]

http://www.gopherfootballtickets.com/img/venues/ohio.jpg

106K

[red states rule]

http://www.gopherfootballtickets.com/img/venues/ohio.jpg

106K

and your little pic of a stadium has what to do with the million plus crowd that protested Obama's policies?

Or once again, are you saying that all the other sources are wrong, and you alone are right?

[bullypulpit]

<center><img src=http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2009-09-20-912project.jpg></center>

[maineman]

<center><img src=http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2009-09-20-912project.jpg></center>

a football game sized crowd.... impressive, no doubt, but no credible sources put the number at anywhere NEAR a million, yet alone TWO million.

[red states rule]

http://www.infowars.com/images/91206.jpg


http://www.infowars.com/images/91201.jpg

[red states rule]

Now we have this from METRO. Any comment from the Obama drones?


Metro Delivers Hundreds of Thousands to 9/12 Rally

Posted September 15th, 2009 at 4.58pm


Much has been made over the attendance at the march and rally in DC on September 12. Reports varied, with many on the left clinging to an unofficial DC Fire Department estimate of 60,000 to 70,000. Some reports from overseas went as far as to say two million. However, one completely objective source of information is the number of people who rode Metro, Washington, DC’s mass transit subway system. Washington Metro measures and releases its ridership numbers and these numbers have been used in the past to judge the size of major events in Washington, DC.

For a fair comparison, we looked at the Saturday after Labor Day in 2008, which is when September 12 fell in 2009. On September 12, 2009, 437,624 rode metro rail. By comparison, on the Saturday after Labor Day in 2008, 202,528 rode. The difference is 235,096. Even if nobody else came to the March, and we know they did by chartered bus and by carpool, the theory that only 70,000 people were there is off by roughly 335% - debunking the 70,000 claim. To take it a step further for comparison, we also looked at the attendance for President Obama’s Inauguration in January 2009. Convential wisdom estimates that attendance for the inaugural was between 800,000 and 1.8 million, or an average of 1.3 million.
If you compare Metro riders on Martin Luther King Day 2008, the similarly situated federal holiday in January to the Inauguration in 2009, approximately 975,000 additional people rode metro for the Inauguration. If you compare 975,000 additional metro riders as a percentage of the 1.3 million total who attended and you do the same for 235,000 additional metro riders for the 9/12 March, than at least 313,000 went downtown for the explicit purpose of marching against out-of-control government spending on September 12. This assumes a similar percentage of attendees took buses, cabs, drove in, walked, etc.

If you believe the number was 1.8 million at the Inauguration and you do the same for 9/12, then the number is 433,000. So is an estimate of 313,000 to 433,000 attendees accurate? Well, it is certainly an unbiased and impartial start to understanding the debate over crowd size. The bottom line is that hundreds of thousands of Americans who were upset with government spending, a failed stimulus, a government takeover of health care, and a massive energy tax came with their parents, children, grandparents, cousins, college roommates, etc. to a multi-generational and peaceful family protest in Washington.

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/09/15/metro-delivers-hundreds-of-thousands-to-912-rally/

[maineman]

which is it? 400K or 2M?

claiming that those numbers are similar is like claiming that your IQ is 160 which is genius level, when it is actually 40, which is on par with a stalk of asparagus.

I have no problem with an estimate of 3 or 400K... I just wonder why the right feels the need to inflate it to 2M as the thread title suggests?

[red states rule]

which is it? 400K or 2M?

claiming that those numbers are similar is like claiming that your IQ is 160 which is genius level, when it is actually 40, which is on par with a stalk of asparagus.

I have no problem with an estimate of 3 or 400K... I just wonder why the right feels the need to inflate it to 2M as the thread title suggests?

and why does the left feel it is their mission to downplay and dismiss the massive turnout on 9-12?

[red states rule]

and compare the numbers

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1t27Fm3wfGs/Sq6H9qTRQrI/AAAAAAAAAH0/eUs1lCOkZR4/s400/live912.jpg

and

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1t27Fm3wfGs/Sq6Igkh02VI/AAAAAAAAAH8/QIL8C3-7Q0Q/s400/schem3.jpg

[maineman]

and why does the left feel it is their mission to downplay and dismiss the massive turnout on 9-12?

I have never tried to downplay the turnout. Why do you avoid my question? The OP of this thread claims 2M... and here you are, finally, posting a link that does some mathematical extrapolation and comes up with 400K, and you act as if that number, somehow, vindicates and validates your original wild ass exaggeration.

which is it? 400K or 2M?

[red states rule]

I have never tried to downplay the turnout. Why do you avoid my question? The OP of this thread claims 2M... and here you are, finally, posting a link that does some mathematical extrapolation and comes up with 400K, and you act as if that number, somehow, vindicates and validates your original wild ass exaggeration.

which is it? 400K or 2M?

It is closer to 1.5 million - much to the dismay of the left and Obama supporters

[maineman]

and compare the numbers

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1t27Fm3wfGs/Sq6H9qTRQrI/AAAAAAAAAH0/eUs1lCOkZR4/s400/live912.jpg

and

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1t27Fm3wfGs/Sq6Igkh02VI/AAAAAAAAAH8/QIL8C3-7Q0Q/s400/schem3.jpg



you realize, of course, that the photograph and the inauguration diagram show different areas of Washington? the diagram shows the mall, and the photo shows pennsylvania avenue.

[maineman]

It is closer to 1.5 million - much to the dismay of the left and Obama supporters

how so? because you SAY so? WHy did you bother to post the article which claims that the number is 400K if you plan to ignore it and inflate it by 400%?

[red states rule]

you realize, of course, that the photograph and the inauguration diagram show different areas of Washington? the diagram shows the mall, and the photo shows pennsylvania avenue.

The crowd size are similair - again much to your dismay

[maineman]

seriously. compare the width of Pennsylvania Avenue with the width of the National Mall.

http://www.dcpages.com/Tourism/Maps/Washington-DC-Street-Map.shtml

[maineman]

The crowd size are similair - again much to your dismay

fill Pennsylvania Avenue from side to side... and compare it to filling the National Mall from side to side?

hardly similar.

[namvet]

seriously. compare the width of Pennsylvania Avenue with the width of the National Mall.

http://www.dcpages.com/Tourism/Maps/Washington-DC-Street-Map.shtml

hey thanks. always wanted a map of the new Kremlin

[maineman]

from your OWN link in post #170:

"If you believe the number was 1.8 million at the Inauguration and you do the same for 9/12, then the number is 433,000. So is an estimate of 313,000 to 433,000 attendees accurate? Well, it is certainly an unbiased and impartial start to understanding the debate over crowd size."

300-400K is NOT two million.

sorry.

[red states rule]

how so? because you SAY so? WHy did you bother to post the article which claims that the number is 400K if you plan to ignore it and inflate it by 400%?

2 reasons

The Daily Mail first reported 2 million, then yes, scaled it back to 1.2 million.

Barbara Espinosa reported that actual traffic counters from the march organizers reported about 450,000 crossing Pennsylvania at 11th after about an hour of the march, and nearly 1.5 million total.

http://fortcollinsteaparty.com/index.php/2009/09/17/washington-dc-9-12-how-many-were-really-there/comment-page-1/

[glockmail]

from your OWN link in post #170:

"If you believe the number was 1.8 million at the Inauguration and you do the same for 9/12, then the number is 433,000. So is an estimate of 313,000 to 433,000 attendees accurate? Well, it is certainly an unbiased and impartial start to understanding the debate over crowd size."

300-400K is NOT two million.

sorry. Its not 75,000 either.

[glockmail]

seriously. compare the width of Pennsylvania Avenue with the width of the National Mall.

http://www.dcpages.com/Tourism/Maps/Washington-DC-Street-Map.shtml You can't measure street width off a street map dummy.

[maineman]

Its not 75,000 either.

and if the title of THIS thread said anything about 75K, then maybe you'd have a point. But in fact, it doesn't, and you don't.

[maineman]

2 reasons

The Daily Mail first reported 2 million, then yes, scaled it back to 1.2 million.

Barbara Espinosa reported that actual traffic counters from the march organizers reported about 450,000 crossing Pennsylvania at 11th after about an hour of the march, and nearly 1.5 million total.

http://fortcollinsteaparty.com/index.php/2009/09/17/washington-dc-9-12-how-many-were-really-there/comment-page-1/

the Daily Mail and Barbara Espinosa? that's your source? Why did you bother to post #170 if you were going to ignore it?

[red states rule]

and if the title of THIS thread said anything about 75K, then maybe you'd have a point. But in fact, it doesn't, and you don't.

So? You are trying to ignore the obvious

[maineman]

You can't measure street width off a street map dummy.

Have you ever been to DC? Have you ever walked down the Mall and PA ave.? yes or no?

[red states rule]

You can't measure street width off a street map dummy.

I thought MM had us on ignore? That did not last very long :laugh2:

[maineman]

So? You are trying to ignore the obvious

it would seem that you are trying to ignore your own post #170. Why IS that?

[red states rule]

it would seem that you are trying to ignore your own post #170. Why IS that?

Not at all, I am posting all the sources to show the number keeps getting bigger as more data come in

I know it is hard for you to accept the fact 1.5 million people truned out to espress their opposition to Obama and the Dems

What should really piss you off is that most of these people VOTE

[maineman]

I thought MM had us on ignore? That did not last very long :laugh2:

actually... I still have you all on ignore. I just chose to read your posts from time to time, and this morning, when you posted a link to a source which places the crowd size at 3-400K, I just had to point that out to you... and, as expected, you run away from your own fuckup. ::yawn:: I am off to the hospital to visit folks. Maybe I'll stop by to read some more of your babblings later on today. AMF

[red states rule]

actually... I still have you all on ignore. I just chose to read your posts from time to time, and this morning, when you posted a link to a source which places the crowd size at 3-400K, I just had to point that out to you... and, as expected, you run away from your own fuckup. ::yawn:: I am off to the hospital to visit folks. Maybe I'll stop by to read some more of your babblings later on today. AMF

Sure, the board has much better without you. Of course you do have alot of time on your hands since you were kicked off JPP :laugh2:

[bullypulpit]

a football game sized crowd.... impressive, no doubt, but no credible sources put the number at anywhere NEAR a million, yet alone TWO million.

Just the voices in Michell Malkin's head. :laugh2:

[red states rule]

Just the voices in Michell Malkin's head. :laugh2:

Those people in the streets do cause the hairs on the back of your neck to stand up BP, as well as the Dems in DC

[maineman]

Those people in the streets do cause the hairs on the back of your neck to stand up BP, as well as the Dems in DC

If the entire crowd at an Ohio State football game marched on Washington united in a common grievance, it would be an impressive site to see... the teabaggers were an impressive lot, no doubt. There just weren't two million of them... and you yourself posted a link that clearly states that.:poke:

[glockmail]

Just the voices in Michell Malkin's head. :laugh2: Just like your Chimpy McPresident.

[glockmail]

Have you ever been to DC? Have you ever walked down the Mall and PA ave.? yes or no? Can you measure off the map that you linked to? Yes or no?

[maineman]

Can you measure off the map that you linked to? Yes or no?

why must you answer a question with a question?

[glockmail]

and if the title of THIS thread said anything about 75K, then maybe you'd have a point. But in fact, it doesn't, and you don't. The major networks and most liberal pundits claimed figures around 75,000 or less, or were off by a factor of around 7. In other words, they lied.

[glockmail]

why must you answer a question with a question?
Because I insist on remaining on topic instead of letting you deflect, dummy.

[maineman]

The major networks and most liberal pundits claimed figures around 75,000 or less, or were off by a factor of around 7. In other words, they lied.

isn't there a thread about that? If not, you should start one. this thread is about the lie that Malkin told and Stephy perpetuated. I assume you will call her out on her lie soon?

[maineman]

Because I insist on remaining on topic instead of letting you deflect, dummy.

clearly, a National Mall filled with people contains more people than a similar length of Pennsylvania Avenue filled with people.

Or maybe I needed to spell that out for you earlier. sorry. I will try to use small words for you next time.

[glockmail]

Oh look, I just measured from Google Earth and find that the width of Penn Ave Right of Way is about 160' and the width of the lawn at the Mall is about 180'. *shrug*

[glockmail]

You know about Google Earth, don't you? That's how I got pictures of the moldy siding on your house.

[maineman]

three things become abundantly clear:

1. you don't know how to measure distances very well with Google earth
2. you've never walked on the National Mall nor have you crossed Pennsylvania Avenue on foot.
3. you seem to think that every image on google was captured yesterday.
:lol:

[glockmail]

three things become abundantly clear:

1. you don't know how to measure distances very well with Google earth
2. you've never walked on the National Mall nor have you crossed Pennsylvania Avenue on foot.
3. you seem to think that every image on google was captured yesterday.
:lol:
1. Looking at the number of lanes and the relative width of the adjacent sidewalks I'm positive that I am reasonably accurate. Perhaps you can prove otherwise.
2. I've done both, but again, your point is irrelevant.
3. Your statement is not true or relevant.

[maineman]

1. Looking at the number of lanes and the relative width of the adjacent sidewalks I'm positive that I am reasonably accurate. Perhaps you can prove otherwise.
2. I've done both, but again, your point is irrelevant.
3. Your statement is not true or relevant.

no need to prove anything. Anyone who has ever REALLY walked on the National Mall AND walked across Pennsylvania Avenue would never suggest that the two were within 20 feet of being the same width... which shows your second statement to be a lie.

And again... you weird internet stalker.... if you could see my house today, you would KNOW that the images on Google are extremely dated, and since itwas YOU who brought them up, then are hardly irrelevant.

[red states rule]

If the entire crowd at an Ohio State football game marched on Washington united in a common grievance, it would be an impressive site to see... the teabaggers were an impressive lot, no doubt. There just weren't two million of them... and you yourself posted a link that clearly states that.:poke:

Once again I will post this link - not only for you but for BP

National Park Service Says 9/12 Turnout A Record

9/12 demonstration a record DC turnout: National Park Service

Thomas Lifson

The truth will out. Despite mainstream media attempts to characterize turnout as in the thousands, a spokesman for the National Park Service, Dan Bana, is quoted as saying "It is a record.... We believe it is the largest event held in Washington, D.C., ever."

Democrats and their media acolytes may wish this weren't so, and they may even employ the Ostrich Strategy, burying their collective heads in the sand, pretending that a major important political movement isn't happening. But they only hasten their own demise in doing so.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/09/912_demonstration_a_record_dc.html

[emmett]

You know about Google Earth, don't you? That's how I got pictures of the moldy siding on your house.


Just out of curiosity....why would you want to be googling anyone's house? Especially his! :laugh2:

[red states rule]

Just out of curiosity....why would you want to be googling anyone's house? Especially his! :laugh2:

Trying to map his way to the local zoo?

[maineman]

Once again I will post this link - not only for you but for BP

National Park Service Says 9/12 Turnout A Record

9/12 demonstration a record DC turnout: National Park Service

Thomas Lifson

The truth will out. Despite mainstream media attempts to characterize turnout as in the thousands, a spokesman for the National Park Service, Dan Bana, is quoted as saying "It is a record.... We believe it is the largest event held in Washington, D.C., ever."

Democrats and their media acolytes may wish this weren't so, and they may even employ the Ostrich Strategy, burying their collective heads in the sand, pretending that a major important political movement isn't happening. But they only hasten their own demise in doing so.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/09/912_demonstration_a_record_dc.html

Dan Bana????? :lol:

Do you think he was wearing a bandanna when he made that statement?

http://mediamatters.org/blog/200909150013

"Several conservative blogs have been quoting National Park Service spokesman "Dan Bana" as saying the 9/12 protest was "the largest event held in Washington, D.C., ever." This appears to be a repurposing of this quote from David Barna (who, unlike Dan Bana, appears to be a real person):

David Barna, a Park Service spokesman, said the agency did not conduct its own count. Instead, it will use a Washington Post account that said 1.8 million people gathered on the US Capitol grounds, National Mall, and parade route.

"It is a record," Barna said. "We believe it is the largest event held in Washington, D.C., ever."

Very impressive! Unfortunately, as Little Green Footballs pointed out, that quote was actually about the inauguration:

This is so pathetic I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Dozens - if not hundreds - of right wing blogs are running with this quote, portraying it as a statement about the tea party held last weekend: 'We believe it is the largest event held in Washington, D.C., ever.'

The quote is from January. The National Park Service spokesman was talking about Barack Obama's inauguration."

Dan Bana! What a hoot!:laugh2:

[maineman]

Just out of curiosity....why would you want to be googling anyone's house? Especially his! :laugh2:

that's what creepy internet stalkers DO!

[red states rule]

Dan Bana????? :lol:

Do you think he was wearing a bandanna when he made that statement?

http://mediamatters.org/blog/200909150013

"Several conservative blogs have been quoting National Park Service spokesman "Dan Bana" as saying the 9/12 protest was "the largest event held in Washington, D.C., ever." This appears to be a repurposing of this quote from David Barna (who, unlike Dan Bana, appears to be a real person):

David Barna, a Park Service spokesman, said the agency did not conduct its own count. Instead, it will use a Washington Post account that said 1.8 million people gathered on the US Capitol grounds, National Mall, and parade route.

"It is a record," Barna said. "We believe it is the largest event held in Washington, D.C., ever."

Very impressive! Unfortunately, as Little Green Footballs pointed out, that quote was actually about the inauguration:

This is so pathetic I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Dozens - if not hundreds - of right wing blogs are running with this quote, portraying it as a statement about the tea party held last weekend: 'We believe it is the largest event held in Washington, D.C., ever.'

The quote is from January. The National Park Service spokesman was talking about Barack Obama's inauguration."

Dan Bana! What a hoot!:laugh2:

Going to Media matters for info on the Tea Parties is like going to the DNC for info on Obama's policies

Bottom line is Virgil - you would rather dismiss the massive turnout then admit Obama's policies are not selling with a growing segment of the population

I undersatnd you do not want to talk about his failures. Your lack of posts on most of threads here show you have no defense to offer

[maineman]

Going to Media matters for info on the Tea Parties is like going to the DNC for info on Obama's policies

Bottom line is Virgil - you would rather dismiss the massive turnout then admit Obama's policies are not selling with a growing segment of the population

I undersatnd you do not want to talk about his failures. Your lack of posts on most of threads here show you have no defense to offer
bottom line: "Dan Bana" is a fictitious name and his purported statement was not made concerning the size of the crowd.

[red states rule]

bottom line: "Dan Bana" is a fictitious name and his purported statement was not made concerning the size of the crowd.

So ingonre the pics of the crowd, the numbers form METRO, and the reaction of the Eems to the massive crowd Virgil

Keep telling yourself how loved Obama is, and how his policies will only benefit America. You go with such "credible" sources as Media Matters

Meanwhile, the rest of us are aware of what is going on - and remember Virgil - we do vote

[maineman]

So ingonre the pics of the crowd, the numbers form METRO, and the reaction of the Eems to the massive crowd Virgil

Keep telling yourself how loved Obama is, and how his policies will only benefit America. You go with such "credible" sources as Media Matters

Meanwhile, the rest of us are aware of what is going on - and remember Virgil - we do vote

credible sources?????:lol:

YOU are the guy quoting DAN BANA, not me!:laugh2:

and I don't ignore any pictures.... YOU certainly ignore the pictures I posted in comparison, however. hypocrite!

Dan Bana???????

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[actsnoblemartin]

I think im in the middle of you and chess. I know islam's true history. Look it up, for 24 years after mohammed died. Battle of tours, conquest.

Islam's history is about killing and converting, of conquest and annihilation

that is the truth, whether you want to believe it or not

now, does that make all muslims terrorists or bad. Absolutely not, but i dont trust their religion and i do think we should monitor all mosques.


So what about his speech? Was it nothing more than a pack of lies that he spoke of? If you say you respect him as elected president, how do you again reconcile the respect with your own beliefs on the subject?

I completely understand that I won't be changing your mind. It always saddens me when someone refuses to be open about a debate and have their minds already made up based on hearsay, opinion columns & fear. Your hatred/contempt for Muslims and the Quran just doesn't add up. If it were aimed towards terrorists, radicals and those wishing to take a violent position, I could understand. But you seem hell bent on accusing millions of being bad people that have done nothing to deserve that tag.

[red states rule]

credible sources?????:lol:

YOU are the guy quoting DAN BANA, not me!:laugh2:

and I don't ignore any pictures.... YOU certainly ignore the pictures I posted in comparison, however. hypocrite!

Dan Bana???????

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

What the hell does a pic of a football stadium have to do with the crowd that turned out in DC?

Agian, you are in a shriking group of people who actually buy what Obama is selling

THAT is what you should be worried about Virgil. You must be since you are ignoring the many threads on Obama's lies and failures

[actsnoblemartin]

maineman's new quote

if obama did it, its never a failure


What the hell does a pic of a football stadium have to do with the crowd that turned out in DC?

Agian, you are in a shriking group of people who actually buy what Obama is selling

THAT is what you should be worried about Virgil. You must be since you are ignoring the many threads on Obama's lies and failures

[red states rule]

maineman's new quote

if obama did it, its never a failure

When Obama does fail, the excuses will be - nut not limited to - it's Bush's fault, racist America would not support a black President, the right wing undermined Obama, rabid talk radio spread lies about Obama and his policies, and Fox News was out to get Obama

Did I miss anything?

[actsnoblemartin]

no jimmy carter makes a great spokesman :lol:


When Obama does fail, the excuses will be - nut not limited to - it's Bush's fault, racist America would not support a black President, the right wing undermined Obama, rabid talk radio spread lies about Obama and his policies, and Fox News was out to get Obama

Did I miss anything?

[red states rule]

no jimmy carter makes a great spokesman :lol:

No Rev Wright and/or Rev Virgil would be the perfect PR man for Obama. They both are poster boys for what Obama really believes in

[actsnoblemartin]

Exactly.

he is the biggest liar in the world

liar in chief


No Rev Wright and/or Rev Virgil would be the perfect PR man for Obama. They both are poster boys for what Obama really believes in

[chesswarsnow]

Sirry bout that,


1. Whats all this nonsense about how many people went to the 9/12?
2. Like this did something to change the path of ALL Americans.
3. What are they going to do vote for change?
4. Like when the vote comes around in 2010, they will vote in new people,....hehehehe,.....:laugh2:
5. They will send the very same numb nuts back up there that are sitting there now!
6. Fearing change.
7. Good thing Im here so you know whats really about to happen.



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[red states rule]

Sirry bout that,


1. Whats all this nonsense about how many people went to the 9/12?
2. Like this did something to change the path of ALL Americans.
3. What are they going to do vote for change?
4. Like when the vote comes around in 2010, they will vote in new people,....hehehehe,.....:laugh2:
5. They will send the very same numb nuts back up there that are sitting there now!
6. Fearing change.
7. Good thing Im here so you know whats really about to happen.



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Has it occured to you the people who attened the protest are opposed to

1) $2 trillion annual deficits

2) Doubling the national debt

3) tax increases

4) increased pork and waste - paid for with their tax dollars

5) Being called racists mearly because they do not agree with Obama

6) government run healthcare which will be FORCED on people

7) private companies being taken over by the Federal government

8) endless bailouts of private companies

Need more?

[glockmail]

Just out of curiosity....why would you want to be googling anyone's house? Especially his! :laugh2:To prove him a liar, again. :laugh2:

[glockmail]

no need to prove anything. Anyone who has ever REALLY walked on the National Mall AND walked across Pennsylvania Avenue would never suggest that the two were within 20 feet of being the same width... which shows your second statement to be a lie.

And again... you weird internet stalker.... if you could see my house today, you would KNOW that the images on Google are extremely dated, and since itwas YOU who brought them up, then are hardly irrelevant. In other words, you have no basis at all for your claims, while I have photographic evidence.

[maineman]

What the hell does a pic of a football stadium have to do with the crowd that turned out in DC?

Agian, you are in a shriking group of people who actually buy what Obama is selling

THAT is what you should be worried about Virgil. You must be since you are ignoring the many threads on Obama's lies and failures

Dan Bana?????

credible sources????


hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[red states rule]

Dan Bana?????

credible sources????


hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

How do you like your crow Virgil? Rare? Well done?

David Barna for National Parks Service. Not Dan Bana.

http://www.nps.gov/pub_aff/pressrm.htm

[maineman]

How do you like your crow Virgil? Rare? Well done?

David Barna for National Parks Service. Not Dan Bana.

http://www.nps.gov/pub_aff/pressrm.htm



your link referred to a man named Dan Bana. If you read MY reply, you would see that David Barna's quote had to do with the crowds at the inauguration and NOT the 9/12 rally.

The "Dan Bana" story was fictitious. And you quoted it as credible.

How do YOU like crow, red? crammed back up your ass?:lol:

[red states rule]

your link referred to a man named Dan Bana. If you read MY reply, you would see that David Barna's quote had to do with the crowds at the inauguration and NOT the 9/12 rally.

The "Dan Bana" story was fictitious. And you quoted it as credible.

How do YOU like crow, red? crammed back up your ass?:lol:

So there was never an error in someones name in any news story? My you are a desperate man Virigil - nearly as desperate as Obama

Now you are getting testy - a sure sign you have been had on this thread

[maineman]

So there was never an error in someones name in any news story? My you are a desperate man Virigil - nearly as desperate as Obama

Now you are getting testy - a sure sign you have been had on this thread



the story was a fake. I dare you to find a credible news source that quotes David Barna where he gives any estimate of the 9/12 rally attendance.


I'll wait.

Dan Bana? And you believed that goofy name?:lol:

[red states rule]

the story was a fake. I dare you to find a credible news source that quotes David Barna where he gives any estimate of the 9/12 rally attendance.


I'll wait.

Dan Bana? And you believed that goofy name?:lol:

Why don't you show a story with an offical retraction Virgil. You can't. You have been beaten with the pics, the numbers form METRO, and now this

NEWS MEDIA CONTACTS

Office of Public Affairs
National Park Service
1849 C Street, N.W., Room 7012
Washington, D.C. 20240
(202) 208-6843
Email: asknps@nps.gov

David Barna, Chief of Public Affairs
David_Barna@nps.gov

[maineman]

Why dont you show a story with an offical retraction Virgil. You can't. You have been beaten with the pics, the numbers form METRO, and now this

NEWS MEDIA CONTACTS

Office of Public Affairs
National Park Service
1849 C Street, N.W., Room 7012
Washington, D.C. 20240
(202) 208-6843
Email: asknps@nps.gov

David Barna, Chief of Public Affairs
David_Barna@nps.gov

official retraction? Why would they? they made no erroneous official statement that needs to be retracted. the story was a fake. the National Park Service had nothing to do with it.

"Dan Bana" and his bandanna! And you bought that happy horseshit hook line and sinker! :lol:

and the numbers from Metro completely disproved the million figure anyway!

you are eating your foot.

[red states rule]

official retraction? Why would they? they made no erroneous official statement that needs to be retracted. the story was a fake. the National Park Service had nothing to do with it.

"Dan Bana" and his bandanna! And you bought that happy horseshit hook line and sinker! :lol:

and the numbers from Metro completely disproved the million figure anyway!

you are eating your foot.

a blast from the past. You are beaten Virgil. Game. Set. Match.

Head for the showers and lick your wounds



Don't expect head count for inaugural
Though it may be a record crowd, no official attendance count is planned

WASHINGTON - Even if it looks to be a record crowd at Barack Obama's inauguration, don't expect an official head count for history.

A million or more people may show up on the National Mall and along the parade route for the inauguration of the country's first black president, federal and local authorities predict. But officials have no plans to release turnout estimates that day — or any day, for that matter.

"It's a shame," said David Barna, spokesman for the National Park Service. "From a historical standpoint, it's good for America to know the size of the events."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28197451/ns/politics-inauguration/

[maineman]

a blast from the past. You are beaten Virgil. Game. Set. Match.

Head for the showers and lick your wounds



Don't expect head count for inaugural
Though it may be a record crowd, no official attendance count is planned

WASHINGTON - Even if it looks to be a record crowd at Barack Obama's inauguration, don't expect an official head count for history.

A million or more people may show up on the National Mall and along the parade route for the inauguration of the country's first black president, federal and local authorities predict. But officials have no plans to release turnout estimates that day — or any day, for that matter.

"It's a shame," said David Barna, spokesman for the National Park Service. "From a historical standpoint, it's good for America to know the size of the events."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28197451/ns/politics-inauguration/

so you admit that the Dan Bana story was completely bullshit?

that's what I had said.

and you admit that the estimates of crowd size based upon metro rider volume completely disprove the 2 million number that is the subject of this thread?

Thanks.

why didn't you just SAY so in the first place?

Dan Bana!!!!! :lol:

[red states rule]

so you admit that the Dan Bana story was completely bullshit?

that's what I had said.

and you admit that the estimates of crowd size based upon metro rider volume completely disprove the 2 million number that is the subject of this thread?

Thanks.

why didn't you just SAY so in the first place?

Dan Bana!!!!! :lol:

So when he makes a statement on turnout on Obama's inaugural it is fact - but when he makes a comment on the turnout on the 9-12 protest it is BS

OK Virgil got it. Keep clinging to the brach as you slowly drown

I understand the facts give you a headache. Try another dose of Preparation H

[maineman]

So when he makes a statement on turnout on Obama's inaugural it is fact - but when he makes a comment on the turnout on the 9-12 protest it is BS

OK Virgil got it. Keep clinging to the brach as you slowly drown

I understand the facts give you a headache. Try another dose of Preparation H

do you have anything where the real David Barna estimated the size of the 9-12 event at 1.8 million?

do you agree that the metro extrapolation is only a fraction of that size?


oh.... and here is an interesting link that sounds oddly like the made up "Dan Bana" story, doesn't it:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2009/01/22/inaugural_crowd_size_reportedly_dc_record/

The National Park Service says it will rely on a media report that says 1.8 million people attended President Obama's inauguration.

David Barna, a Park Service spokesman, said the agency did not conduct its own count. Instead, it will use a Washington Post account that said 1.8 million people gathered on the US Capitol grounds, National Mall, and parade route.

"It is a record," Barna said. "We believe it is the largest event held in Washington, D.C., ever."

Dan Bana! :lol:

[xav8terx]

I think im in the middle of you and chess. I know islam's true history. Look it up, for 24 years after mohammed died. Battle of tours, conquest.

Islam's history is about killing and converting, of conquest and annihilation

that is the truth, whether you want to believe it or not

now, does that make all muslims terrorists or bad. Absolutely not, but i dont trust their religion and i do think we should monitor all mosques.

:link:


And the worthless christians didnt do the same...:lame2:

[Nukeman]

:link:


And the worthless christians didnt do the same...:lame2:Maybe they did but guess what THEY STOPPED AND GREW OUT OF THE OPPRESIVE NATURE!!! When will Islam do the same???????

[maineman]

Maybe they did but guess what THEY STOPPED AND GREW OUT OF THE OPPRESIVE NATURE!!! When will Islam do the same???????

Have ALL Christians grown out of their oppressive nature?

Why do you expect ALL muslims to?

[actsnoblemartin]

im a jew living in a predominently christian country.

I have suffered no oppression.

If i lived in a predominently muslim country, I would be opressed, possibly killed.


Have ALL Christians grown out of their oppressive nature?

Why do you expect ALL muslims to?

[maineman]

im a jew living in a predominently christian country.

I have suffered no oppression.

If i lived in a predominently muslim country, I would be opressed, possibly killed.
you didn't answer the question.

pretty typical.

and, in any case.... can you get back on topic?

your dear friend RSR posted a bullshit erroneous quote from a fictional guy named Dan Bana that was supposed to have been made in response to the crowd at 9-12, when the actual quote was from a guy named David Barna who made the statement about the Obama inauguration crowd. Are you gonna take your dear friend to task, or are you gonna ignore his gaffe?

[maineman]

that's what I thought.:clap:

[Nukeman]

Have ALL Christians grown out of their oppressive nature?

Why do you expect ALL muslims to?

Last I checked the ones blowing themselves up in the name of their religion or their particular brand are Islamic. Last I checked the ones still subjugating other religions or flat out not allowing them to practice in their countries are Islamic. How many Islamist are denied the right to practice openly in a Christian country??? Now how many Islamic countries allow other religions to practice openly???

[maineman]

Last I checked the ones blowing themselves up in the name of their religion or their particular brand are Islamic. Last I checked the ones still subjugating other religions or flat out not allowing them to practice in their countries are Islamic. How many Islamist are denied the right to practice openly in a Christian country??? Now how many Islamic countries allow other religions to practice openly???

I can't speak for every Islamic country, and I really would rather go watch red sox baseball than do a bunch of online research, but I know for a fact that Christians can practice openly in Lebanon and in Jordan and in Egypt. I have been to churches in all three countries. I know that there are Christians in Iraq and in Iran and Syria... I know that there are Jews in Iran....

the point is: looking back at the beginnings of Islam shows you a violent religion. Today, the VAST majority of muslims are quite peaceful.

[red states rule]

Someone at Indiana University estimated 1.7 million attened the 9-12 protest


http://www.scribd.com/doc/19743935/The-Real-Number-of-Protesters-Zac-Moilanen


But keep telling us Virgil it was only 70,000

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3507/3914298834_f23314cb42.jpg

[maineman]

Someone at Indiana University estimated 1.7 million attened the 9-12 protest


http://www.scribd.com/doc/19743935/The-Real-Number-of-Protesters-Zac-Moilanen


But keep telling us Virgil it was only 70,000


"some guy" at Indiana University? Was his name Dan Bana???:lol:

face it. you got totally pwned on this Dan Bana quote and you don't have the grace to admit it.

what a joke you are.:laugh2: