"fishy" rumors on healthcare?

[cat slave]

So now the gruesome gang in WA are now calling for people to rat out those
who are spreading "fishy" rumors about the messiahs health care demolition.
They want names.

Anyone waking up?????

[Gaffer]

I have been awake for a long time. Just wait till his "civilian defense force" is established. They will do the work the police are unable or refuse to do.

Anyone else see similarities to pol pot starting to show here?

[Binky]

I have been awake for a long time. Just wait till his "civilian defense force" is established. They will do the work the police are unable or refuse to do.

Anyone else see similarities to pol pot starting to show here?


Unfortunately, I see similarities to an occupied country taking shape. America is definitely taking a 360 deg. change.

[Gaffer]

Unfortunately, I see similarities to an occupied country taking shape. America is definitely taking a 360 deg. change.

That's coming too when he brings in mercenaries from hamas and hizbo to beef up his cdf.

[Kathianne]

So now the gruesome gang in WA are now calling for people to rat out those
who are spreading "fishy" rumors about the messiahs health care demolition.
They want names.

Anyone waking up?????

From what I've seen on blogs and boards today, the 'general people' are not happy with this. http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Are-Stubborn-Things/

However, we need some Republican and Libertarian leaders to stand up and call out this type of behavior.

[Immanuel]

From what I've seen on blogs and boards today, the 'general people' are not happy with this. http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Are-Stubborn-Things/

However, we need some Republican and Libertarian leaders to stand up and call out this type of behavior.

It doesn't say what they intend on doing with the information that people turn into them. It could simply be that they will be squashing rumor with their so called facts... then again, post something they don't like and you could simply disappear... forever.

Immie

[cat slave]

For me, just the inference that "they" would take names and pit Americans
against their neighbor for disagreeing with the almighty government makes
me breathe fire!!!!

HOW DARE THEY!:bs1:

[Kathianne]

It doesn't say what they intend on doing with the information that people turn into them. It could simply be that they will be squashing rumor with their so called facts... then again, post something they don't like and you could simply disappear... forever.

Immie

To encourage any citizen to send names, web addresses of 'anything they think 'fishy' has a chilling effect on free speech. Audit by IRS anyone? The possible reach of the fed is long and wide. This 'fact post' is every bit a fascist as Gaffer has implied for months now. I tended to think 'rough politics of the Chicago kind', this goes beyond that.

[Immanuel]

To encourage any citizen to send names, web addresses of 'anything they think 'fishy' has a chilling effect on free speech. Audit by IRS anyone? The possible reach of the fed is long and wide. This 'fact post' is every bit a fascist as Gaffer has implied for months now. I tended to think 'rough politics of the Chicago kind', this goes beyond that.

Don't get me wrong, I was as serious with the second part of my statement as I was with the first. It doesn't say what they are going to do with the info. There is an implied threat there. Maybe you won't disappear forever, but that audit letter that just arrived in the mail might make you wish you had.

Immie

[Noir]

Seems odd indeed, however, IIRC after 9/11 people were asked to keep an eye out and report anybody who was acting suspect. In that instace the country was that which the people were asked to 'protect' now it's the goverment. It's an uncomftable step but it should not of been an unforseen one. All I can say is, good luck.

[Monkeybone]

Seems odd indeed, however, IIRC after 9/11 people were asked to keep an eye out and report anybody who was acting suspect. In that instace the country was that which the people were asked to 'protect' now it's the goverment. It's an uncomftable step but it should not of been an unforseen one. All I can say is, good luck.

So people that disagree with a bill or something that they don't want are on the same level as terrorist now?


And Gaffer : pol pot?

[Noir]

So people that disagree with a bill or something that they don't want are on the same level as terrorist now?

Bingo. Like I said, it's a small change in propaganda to change from protecting the country to protecting the goverment. but it's a massive change when put into practice.

[CSM]

They are making it far too easy to compare the Gestapo and KGB to the DNC.

Then again, I am beginning to believe that the Dems actually LIKE the Gestapo and KGB! Imitation and flattery and all that.

[Joe Steel]

It's about time.

We can't let seditionist thugs destroy America.

I'm glad the President finally is fighting back.

[Noir]

It's about time.

We can't let seditionist thugs destroy America.

I'm glad the President finally is fighting back.


So you haven't read 1984 lately?

[Immanuel]

So you haven't read 1984 lately?

What do you mean?

He reads it every day. It is his bible. He can't wait for it to come true. He creams in his pants everytime the Democrats take a bigger bite out of our freedoms.

Immie

[Kathianne]

They are making it far too easy to compare the Gestapo and KGB to the DNC.

Then again, I am beginning to believe that the Dems actually LIKE the Gestapo and KGB! Imitation and flattery and all that.

Yep, sort of puts that British prince's sense of humor regarding costume in perspective.

[CSM]

We can't let seditionist thugs destroy America.



too late ... some folks with no brains voted them into office, though a good old fashioned revolution could remedy the situation.

[CSM]

Yep, sort of puts that British prince's sense of humor regarding costume in perspective.

LOL...tried to rep you but have to wait

[Joe Steel]

So you haven't read 1984 lately?

What's your point?

[Noir]

What's your point?


If you haven't read 1984, you should.
If you have read 1984, and don't get the point, the you sir are a fool.

[Kathianne]

What's your point?

You do rejoice in your close minded little world, don't you?

http://www.fsu.edu/profiles/gellately/


Robert Gellately

Earl Ray Beck Professor, Department of History
"Never forget!"

Few disagree with keeping the memory of the Holocaust alive.

But the question of what to remember is still in debate, and one of the most respected and persuasive voices belongs to Robert Gellately, the Earl Ray Beck Professor of History, whose work challenges the central notions of the role played by "ordinary" German citizens in the rule of the Gestapo (secret state police).

His research began with a chance discovery.

Gellately had already published a book on German anti-semitism before the First World War and was doing research in a German archive when a librarian alerted him to a collection of Gestapo files—19,000 of them—that Nazi officers had not had to time to burn before the Allies arrived.

"I started to read these files about all the victims in just one region of Germany that the Gestapo had processed," Gellately says. "It would have taken a large force of secret police to collect information on so many people. I needed to know just how many secret police there really were. So I asked an elderly gentleman who would've lived through those times, and he replied, 'They were everywhere!'"

That was the prevailing myth.

"But I had evidence right there in my hands that supported a different story," Gellately explains. "There were relatively few secret police, and most were just processing the information coming in. I had found a shocking fact. It wasn't the secret police who were doing this wide-scale surveillance and hiding on every street corner. It was the ordinary German people who were informing on their neighbors."...

[Insein]

It's about time.

We can't let seditionist thugs destroy America.

I'm glad the President finally is fighting back.

Why do you hate humanity so much?

[Insein]

You do rejoice in your close minded little world, don't you?

http://www.fsu.edu/profiles/gellately/

Doomed to repeat history and all that stuff?

[Kathianne]

Doomed to repeat history and all that stuff?

I've become radicalized in a day and a half. This is most definitely gestapo beginnings.

[CSM]

I've become radicalized in a day and a half. This is most definitely gestapo beginnings.

Yep...the Soviet Union had similar programs.

[Nukeman]

If you haven't read 1984, you should.
If you have read 1984, and don't get the point, the you sir are a fool.
You just hit the nail swuare on the head with that one. Joe is a communist, didn't ya know???

Oh he says he is liberal but in all his rants and post he is definitely socialistic and communist leaning!!!

[Joe Steel]

If you haven't read 1984, you should.
If you have read 1984, and don't get the point, the you sir are a fool.

What are you babbling about?

If you have a point, state it plainly.

[Joe Steel]

You do rejoice in your close minded little world, don't you?

http://www.fsu.edu/profiles/gellately/

Certainly you're not suggesting a request of information posted on a public information website is the same thing as a network of secret police.

Are you?

Or are you bothered by the possiblility your schemes (not you, personally. wingnutdom, generally) will be discovered in time to be thwarted?

Is that it?

[Noir]

What are you babbling about?

If you have a point, state it plainly.

That is my point. If you've read my post twice and still don't get it then i fear you never will, not that i'm sure you'll care.

[Joe Steel]

Why do you hate humanity so much?

I love humanity.

Conservative seditionist thugs don't qualify.

[cat slave]

It's about time.

We can't let seditionist thugs destroy America.

I'm glad the President finally is fighting back.

WHAT????????? Just wait until he does something that doesnt give you a perk
and you dont like it.

From Cora in The Last of the Mohicans: "If that is sedition then I am guilty
of sedition too and the sooner the French run England off this land, the better"!

Couldnt resist! I LOVE that movie.

[cat slave]

too late ... some folks with no brains voted them into office, though a good old fashioned revolution could remedy the situation.

Good response.:clap:

[cat slave]

Certainly you're not suggesting a request of information posted on a public information website is the same thing as a network of secret police.

Are you?

Or are you bothered by the possiblility your schemes (not you, personally. wingnutdom, generally) will be discovered in time to be thwarted?

Is that it?

You dont believe in free speech, unless of course its from the messiah?
Do the words intrusive and heavy handed clear it up any?

OMgawd, Im in a LOTM mood, ie "clear it up any"....!:thumb:

[cat slave]

That is my point. If you've read my post twice and still don't get it then i fear you never will, not that i'm sure you'll care.

Most likely only when he has nothing to gain from the suppression of our
rights!

[Kathianne]

Certainly you're not suggesting a request of information posted on a public information website is the same thing as a network of secret police.

Are you?

Or are you bothered by the possiblility your schemes (not you, personally. wingnutdom, generally) will be discovered in time to be thwarted?

Is that it?

It's the f'ing White House site and last I check that branch controls Justice and IRS. That you fail to see the danger...

According to 5 U.S.C. § 552a, United States agencies, including the Executive Office of the President shall, “maintain no record describing how any individual exercises rights guaranteed by the First Amendment unless expressly authorized by statute or by the individual about whom the record is maintained or unless pertinent to and within the scope of an authorized law enforcement activity.
__________________

[Immanuel]

It's the f'ing White House site and last I check that branch controls Justice and IRS. That you fail to see the danger...

According to 5 U.S.C. § 552a, United States agencies, including the Executive Office of the President shall, “maintain no record describing how any individual exercises rights guaranteed by the First Amendment unless expressly authorized by statute or by the individual about whom the record is maintained or unless pertinent to and within the scope of an authorized law enforcement activity.


That last bit is a little scary. Maybe they view this as an authorized law enforcement activity?

Immie

[Kathianne]

That last bit is a little scary. Maybe they view this as an authorized law enforcement activity?

Immie

You've known me how long now? Never been one to go 'conspiracy', this however is going to be a changer, unless I see more concern from the left, officially and more informally. So far, nothing but 'praise' in collecting the 'treason folks.'

[Immanuel]

You've known me how long now? Never been one to go 'conspiracy', this however is going to be a changer, unless I see more concern from the left, officially and more informally. So far, nothing but 'praise' in collecting the 'treason folks.'

Then President Obama has fulfilled his promise. Change is a comin'

Immie

[Kathianne]

Then President Obama has fulfilled his promise. Change is a comin'

Immie

Got a point there, wonder if that's what he meant though?

[Joe Steel]

You dont believe in free speech, unless of course its from the messiah?

Of course I believe in free speech. That's why I'm enraged by mobs attacking American democracy.

The townhall meeting has been a tradition of American democracy reaching back to before the American Revolution. Now these thugs are taking control of the meetings and are denying free speech to the others at the meeting. In my opinion that's unpatriotic if not treasonous.

[Immanuel]

Got a point there, wonder if that's what he meant though?

I doubt it.

But then didn't he make the statement numerous times that he would not raise taxes of any kind on individuals earning less than $250,000 and one of his very first acts as President was to increase the cigarette tax which definitely qualifies as raising taxes on those people and then he and is defenders claim that that was not what he meant?

Plenty of wiggle room for a worm.

Immie

[Joe Steel]

It's the f'ing White House site and last I check that branch controls Justice and IRS. That you fail to see the danger...

According to 5 U.S.C. § 552a, United States agencies, including the Executive Office of the President shall, “maintain no record describing how any individual exercises rights guaranteed by the First Amendment unless expressly authorized by statute or by the individual about whom the record is maintained or unless pertinent to and within the scope of an authorized law enforcement activity.
__________________

That's stretching the intent of the Code far beyond breaking. This section applies to inviduals targeted by the government specifically. The White House is asking for wide-sperad rumors not specifics about particular individuals.

[Insein]

That's stretching the intent of the Code far beyond breaking. This section applies to inviduals targeted by the government specifically. The White House is asking for wide-sperad rumors not specifics about particular individuals.

Just like the SS.

[Kathianne]

That's stretching the intent of the Code far beyond breaking. This section applies to inviduals targeted by the government specifically. The White House is asking for wide-sperad rumors not specifics about particular individuals.

With the 'voluntary snitches' this becomes a true concern. It's a fascist attempt to shut down dissent.

[Trigg]

Of course I believe in free speech. That's why I'm enraged by mobs attacking American democracy.

The townhall meeting has been a tradition of American democracy reaching back to before the American Revolution. Now these thugs are taking control of the meetings and are denying free speech to the others at the meeting. In my opinion that's unpatriotic if not treasonous.

Thugs?????? You consider WWII pensioners and old ladies at nursing homes thugs???????

Those are the videos I've seen.....middle aged people and older people. No bikers or long haired hippy types in attendance :laugh2:


The dems are scared. People....regular people who disagree with their brand of "healthcare", and for very GOOD REASONS.

I suggested this to gabby also. Why don't you read up on Medicare reimbursement if you want to learn why healthcare costs what it does.

[namvet]

im gonna rat out joe steel. besides they may be issuing rewards

[sgtdmski]

So any lawyers around here???? I am wondering, isn't this little fishing expedition against the law?????

The official statement on the WhiteHouse Website reads as follows:

There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.

Now there is a little tricky statement in the US Code that addresses just this type of activity. 5 U.S.C. § 552a of the U.S. Code:

“maintain no record describing how any individual exercises rights guaranteed by the First Amendment unless expressly authorized by statute or by the individual about whom the record is maintained or unless pertinent to and within the scope of an authorized law enforcement activity.”

So it would seem that not only is the Obama White House active criminals, but they have a lot in common with the KKK in violating the civil rights of citizens.

Who would have thunk that the first black president would be no different than David Duke.

dmk

[Mr. P]

So any lawyers around here???? I am wondering, isn't this little fishing expedition against the law?????

The official statement on the WhiteHouse Website reads as follows:

There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.

Now there is a little tricky statement in the US Code that addresses just this type of activity. 5 U.S.C. § 552a of the U.S. Code:

“maintain no record describing how any individual exercises rights guaranteed by the First Amendment unless expressly authorized by statute or by the individual about whom the record is maintained or unless pertinent to and within the scope of an authorized law enforcement activity.”

So it would seem that not only is the Obama White House active criminals, but they have a lot in common with the KKK in violating the civil rights of citizens.

Who would have thunk that the first black president would be no different than David Duke.

dmk

Excellent POINT! And post!!!! :thumb::salute:

[stephanie]

I heard Judge Napolitano on Beck this afternoon and he said he believes this is illegal..

[namvet]

If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.

write in Obama

[sgtdmski]

Yo here is a novel idea, let us all write in and include the quote from Obama regarding the taxing of Employer Health Benefits, something in which he claimed McCain supported and he was against as well as was the mainstream of the American people, and now something that is to happen unless of course you are a member of a union.

Flood the box, and really piss off Whitehouse.gov.

Show him that we still agree. And while you are at it, demand that unions pay their fair share. If this bill passes, I will be the first to file a lawsuit claiming it is unconstitutional and demand the courts send it back to sender!!!!!!!!!!!

dmk

[Trigg]

According to MSNBC the misinformation that is out there is keeping people from realizing that gov. run healthcare is good for them.

If we was smart...we'd know they was tryin ta help us. We's just to ignert ta know we're bein lied to.


Or it could be that reasonable people know that the best way to screw something up is to but the gov. in charge of it.

[cat slave]

Of course I believe in free speech. That's why I'm enraged by mobs attacking American democracy.

The townhall meeting has been a tradition of American democracy reaching back to before the American Revolution. Now these thugs are taking control of the meetings and are denying free speech to the others at the meeting. In my opinion that's unpatriotic if not treasonous.


Well, someone has to be "in control".....who better than the American citizen/voters who are forced to pay for the unbridled spending of the
elitists in WA?????

I didnt see a "thug" in a single clip of any of the meetings. I saw pissed
off citizens whom the government chooses to run rough shod over.

A town hall meeting is not a religious service, it is a place for the people
to be heard, not told how they are going to live, work, receive health care
or anything else.

And just who are the so called thugs keeping from speaking???? That
would be the pompous white collar thugs from WA. And thats as it should
be.

[cat slave]

write in Obama


Yeah, he should be at the top of the list!

[Noir]

I love humanity.

Conservative seditionist thugs don't qualify.

:laugh2:

So everyone is equal in life, just some are more equal than others, seriously man you can only be a troll, to be otherwise is to show that the foolishness of man can never be totally removed.

[Noir]

Of course I believe in free speech. That's why I'm enraged by mobs attacking American democracy.

The townhall meeting has been a tradition of American democracy reaching back to before the American Revolution. Now these thugs are taking control of the meetings and are denying free speech to the others at the meeting. In my opinion that's unpatriotic if not treasonous.

But the point of democracy and free speech is the right to protest. By removing the right to protest you remove the freedoms you wish to secure.
Have you in your life ever attend a protest or a march Joe? On any issue that was against the goverment at the times will?

[Joe Steel]

Thugs?????? You consider WWII pensioners and old ladies at nursing homes thugs???????

Thugs.

This is the way it's supposed to work:

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/adc/10231137A~Freedom-Of-Speech-Posters.jpg

When a gang of thugs plant themselves in the front rows of the meeting and shout-down the Representative, shout-out slogans and generally take control of the meeting, no one gets a chance to speak.

That's thuggery.

[stephanie]

Remember when Bush was in office the battle cry from the Democrats was..

dissent is patriotic..

now that a Democrat is in office the battle cry is...sit down and shut up..

and as we can see, when we don't, they don't like it one bit..

[Joe Steel]

[QUOTE=stephanie;378785]Remember when Bush was in office the battle cry from the Democrats was..

dissent is patriotic..

QUOTE]

Treason isn't.

[CSM]

Remember when Bush was in office the battle cry from the Democrats was..

dissent is patriotic..

now that a Democrat is in office the battle cry is...sit down and shut up..

and as we can see, when we don't, they don't like it one bit..

You miss the point. Dissent against conservativism is patriotic; dissent against socialism/communism/fascism/despotism is treason. Just ask any tyrant.

[Monkeybone]

Treason isn't.

and what treason is happening Joe?

[Monkeybone]

You miss the point. Dissent against conservativism is patriotic; dissent against socialism/communism/fascism/despotism is treason. Just ask any tyrant.

but the tyrant is the one that told us to get out there and argue with people and to get in their faces.... oh wait...that was just to puch for Obama and his policies.... nevermind.

[xav8terx]

Of course I believe in free speech. That's why I'm enraged by mobs attacking American democracy.

The townhall meeting has been a tradition of American democracy reaching back to before the American Revolution. Now these thugs are taking control of the meetings and are denying free speech to the others at the meeting. In my opinion that's unpatriotic if not treasonous.


No kidding. These conservative pussies lack real intelligence to see what is really going on. This is an effort to get the truth out and correct these bullshit lies put out by the right because they are fuckin scared. Really pathetic to say the least but after the last administration it makes sense I guess...Blackwater in LA ring any fuckin bells, huh conservatives?

It was certainly ok for Bush to pull shit like this, but oh wait, the Gestapo, KGB...are you fucking serious...and some of you retards have been in the military...LMFAO, hope they let you out!!! :eek:

[Insein]

No kidding. These conservative pussies lack real intelligence to see what is really going on. This is an effort to get the truth out and correct these bullshit lies put out by the right because they are fuckin scared. Really pathetic to say the least but after the last administration it makes sense I guess...Blackwater in LA ring any fuckin bells, huh conservatives?

It was certainly ok for Bush to pull shit like this, but oh wait, the Gestapo, KGB...are you fucking serious...and some of you retards have been in the military...LMFAO, hope they let you out!!! :eek:

I missed what you were trying to say in between the 3 f-bombs and otherwise incoherent babble. I think I saw a Bush in there but who knows.

Perhaps you could clarify in English what you meant.

[Kathianne]

No kidding. These conservative pussies lack real intelligence to see what is really going on. This is an effort to get the truth out and correct these bullshit lies put out by the right because they are fuckin scared. Really pathetic to say the least but after the last administration it makes sense I guess...Blackwater in LA ring any fuckin bells, huh conservatives?

It was certainly ok for Bush to pull shit like this, but oh wait, the Gestapo, KGB...are you fucking serious...and some of you retards have been in the military...LMFAO, hope they let you out!!! :eek:

So many words, few coherent. Indeed the tactics of the left are Gestapo/KGB like, writing fuck and retard won't alter that.

[namvet]

Thugs.

This is the way it's supposed to work:

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/adc/10231137A~Freedom-Of-Speech-Posters.jpg

When a gang of thugs plant themselves in the front rows of the meeting and shout-down the Representative, shout-out slogans and generally take control of the meeting, no one gets a chance to speak.

That's thuggery.

to funny. this posted by a communists???? :laugh2::laugh2:

[CSM]

So many words, few coherent. Indeed the tactics of the left are Gestapo/KGB like, writing fuck and retard won't alter that.

Well, at least we know how one of the 12 year olds feel!

[Trigg]

Thugs.

This is the way it's supposed to work:

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/adc/10231137A~Freedom-Of-Speech-Posters.jpg

When a gang of thugs plant themselves in the front rows of the meeting and shout-down the Representative, shout-out slogans and generally take control of the meeting, no one gets a chance to speak.

That's thuggery.

Well when the gov. is trying to sell the American public a load of crap someone has to stand up and call them on the BS.

People have a right to ask questions and get them answered.

[Binky]

For me, just the inference that "they" would take names and pit Americans
against their neighbor for disagreeing with the almighty government makes
me breathe fire!!!!

HOW DARE THEY!:bs1:



Yep, they've grown some mighty big balls, haven't they? They sheer audacity they have is mind blowing.

[Binky]

Then President Obama has fulfilled his promise. Change is a comin'

Immie

Oh yeah...it's damn near here and it doesn't look to be good changes.

[namvet]

exactly how Hitler took over Germany and Stalin Russia

[Binky]

So any lawyers around here???? I am wondering, isn't this little fishing expedition against the law?????

The official statement on the WhiteHouse Website reads as follows:

There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.

Now there is a little tricky statement in the US Code that addresses just this type of activity. 5 U.S.C. § 552a of the U.S. Code:

“maintain no record describing how any individual exercises rights guaranteed by the First Amendment unless expressly authorized by statute or by the individual about whom the record is maintained or unless pertinent to and within the scope of an authorized law enforcement activity.”

So it would seem that not only is the Obama White House active criminals, but they have a lot in common with the KKK in violating the civil rights of citizens.

Who would have thunk that the first black president would be no different than David Duke.

dmk


They're turning people against each other by asking them to snitch. The world is full of low down dirty people that would break their necks to snitch on someone....

[cat slave]

but the tyrant is the one that told us to get out there and argue with people and to get in their faces.... oh wait...that was just to puch for Obama and his policies.... nevermind.

:lol::clap::laugh2:

[cat slave]

and what treason is happening Joe?

Hmm....doesnt treason come in when the oath taking leader does things that
weaken or harm the country? Like Bush refusing to protect our country from
a foreign invasion...that would be the immigration flood that professed to
take land, change language and culture and defy our laws.....! That is and
was an invasion. Isnt that treasonous to assist a foreign government in
allowing the invasion?


And isnt taking over banking systems, industries and the rights of citizens
somewhat treasonous? I think so! But thats just me.