Specter, Sebelius Booed At Philly Town Hall

[red states rule]

Seems the peasents are standing up to the libs when it comes to Obamacare


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[stephanie]

You watch in the Pravada Media...it will be reported as...

Angry extreamist right wingers bused in by the Insurance companies... shout over Specter and Sebelius, and a source told us they feared for their lives..

anyone wanna bet..???

[red states rule]

You watch in the Pravada Media...it will be reported as...

Angry extreamist right wingers bused in by the Insurance companies... shout over Specter and Sebelius, and a source told us they feared for their lives..

anyone wanna bet..???

Alot of these Dems and going to get it when they go back home. A huge majority of people like their health coverage and do not want it changed

I want to know if Obamacare is such a great plan - why is Congress and the unions exempt from it?

Illegals will be covered - that will piss off the working class when they learn how their tax dollars are going to fund the healthcare for illegals. CA does that and look how that has drained their state budget

[stephanie]

but us people who oppose this are always told, we are just SO MEAN...we don't want the little Marxist and his corrupted administration taking over hour health care...so the means we don't care for the Poor..

[red states rule]

but us people who oppose this are always told, we are just SO MEAN...we don't want the little Marxist and his corrupted administration taking over hour health care...so the means we don't care for the Poor..

Join the club Steph - and it is a club with growing members


Just 23% Believe Health Care Costs Will Go Down if Reform Passes Congress

Tuesday, July 28, 2009



Americans are fairly evenly divided on the health care reform proposals working their way through Congress, but most remain convinced that the plans will raise costs and hurt the quality of the care they receive.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 47% are in favor of the reform effort proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats while 49% are opposed. Those figures include 25% who Strongly Favor the plans and 41% who are Strongly Opposed.

The specifics of what will be in a health care reform plan remains hotly debated in Congress at the moment. When a final proposal emerges, it is possible that support could move significantly in either direction.

Currently, 76% of Democrats favor the proposal and 76% of Republicans are opposed. Among the unaffiliated, 35% are in favor and 60% are opposed. Notably, just 16% of unaffiliateds Strongly Favor the legislative effort while 47% Strongly Oppose it.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/july_2009/just_23_believe_health_care_costs_will_go_down_if_ reform_passes_congress

[Joe Steel]

Seems the peasents are standing up to the libs when it comes to Obamacare

More accurately, misfits, malcontents and miscreants.

[stephanie]

we see that a majority now disapprove of this, but I believe the Democrats and the little Marxist will still pass this..

what happens after that...I hope all hell breaks lose..:salute:

[red states rule]

More accurately, misfits, malcontents and miscreants.

Again, Joe it is a growing club - and Dems are going to hear from them

With Obama drones like you, dissent was cool during the eight years of Bush - but now dissent must be silenced at all costs

[stephanie]

Again, Joe it is a growing club - and Dems are going to hear from them

With Obama drones like you, dissent was cool during the eight years of Bush - but now dissent must be silenced at all costs

no kidding, Cindy Sheehan was the queen of the left whey she pitched a tent and porta potties on the Bush property...

but now the American citizens are protesting the Little Marxist, they are extremist and malcontents...

you Betcha..
go extremist and malcontents...:salute:

[red states rule]

no kidding, Cindy Sheehan was the queen of the left whey she pitched a tent and porta potties on the Bush property...

but now the American citizens are protesting the Little Marxist, they are extremist and malcontents...

you Betcha..
go extremist and malcontents...:salute:

Have you seen how the public support for Obamacare has tanked - almost as badly as Obama's personal approval numbers

This from the Washington Post - hardly a right wing publication


Poll Shows Obama Slipping on Key Issues
Approval Rating on Health Care Falls Below 50 Percent

snip

Heading into a critical period in the debate over health-care reform, public approval of President Obama's stewardship on the issue has dropped below the 50 percent threshold for the first time, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Since April, approval of Obama's handling of health care has dropped from 57 percent to 49 percent, with disapproval rising from 29 percent to 44 percent. Obama still maintains a large advantage over congressional Republicans in terms of public trust on the issue, even as the GOP has closed the gap.

The erosion in Obama's overall rating on health care is particularly notable among political independents: While positive in their assessments of his handling of health-care reform at the 100-day mark of his presidency (53 percent approved and 30 percent disapproved), independents now are divided at 44 percent positive and 49 percent negative.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/19/AR2009071902176.html

[red states rule]

http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/153602.jpg

[red states rule]

Another Dem was laughed at when he said the government would be more effective and save more moeny then the private sector


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[red states rule]

and how did the networks cover the voters speaking out against Obamacare?
Well, only CBS covered it - with their own commentary included with the story


CBS Notices 'Voices of Protest' Against 'What They Call Government-Run Health Care'

Monday's CBS Evening News, unlike the ABC and NBC evening newscasts, found time for a story on protesters, against liberal Democratic health plans, who confronted members of Congress at forums over the weekend, though reporter Wyatt Andrews felt the need to insert “scare” quotes as he referred to “demonstrators against what they called 'government-run health care'” and “what they call 'Obama-care.'”

Anchor Katie Couric set up the story: “The debate over health care reform is not limited to the halls of Congress. Voices are being heard all over the country -- voices of protest. And they're growing louder.” Andrews showed how “angry protestors in Philadelphia shouted down both the HHS Secretary, Kathleen Sebelius, and Senator Arlen Specter” before he asserted “the crowds are partly the result of conservative Web sites asking for turnout at town halls.” Andrews, however, acknowledged “the turnouts also reflect real fear over the increased taxes and government controls that are part of the health bills being considered in Congress.”

Andrews concluded with the Democrats' plight: “Avoiding this kind of uproar is partly why Democrats wanted to pass health reform before the August recess. Democrats are now out there without a final bill to defend, but facing opponents trying to kill what they call 'Obama-care' with a show of August heat.”

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2009/08/03/cbs-notices-voices-protest-against-what-they-call-government-run-health

[Joe Steel]

Again, Joe it is a growing club - and Dems are going to hear from them

With Obama drones like you, dissent was cool during the eight years of Bush - but now dissent must be silenced at all costs

Dissent is patriotic.

Sedition isn't.

These mobs aren't merely dissenting. They're attacking the fabric of American democracy for the benefit of narrowly-focused special interests. This escalates Conservative perfidy from the Contract on America to an Assault on American Democracy.

[red states rule]

Dissent is patriotic.

Sedition isn't.

These mobs aren't merely dissenting. They're attacking the fabric of American democracy for the benefit of narrowly-focused special interests. This escalates Conservative perfidy from the Contract on America to an Assault on American Democracy.

Mobs?

Joe, you see the voters turning against your party and your leader so now you attack them. You loved them when they voted for your side - now when they do not like the "hope and change" you attack

How typical of the oh so tolerant left

BTW, I did not see any of these people destroying personal property as the left does when they "protest"


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[Joe Steel]

Mobs?

Yes.

Mobs.

These mobs are attending town hall meetings for the express purpose of disrupting them and preventing elected officials from discussing issues with their constituents.

Every mob is participating the Assault on American Democracy.

[red states rule]

Yes.

Mobs.

These mobs are attending town hall meetings for the express purpose of disrupting them and preventing elected officials from discussing issues with their constituents.

Every mob is participating the Assault on American Democracy.

They attended the town hall meeting Joe to voice their opinion, and to let the elected officals know they oppose Obamacare

Here is another example of the voters making their voices heard


Thousands gather in Columbus to protest power of federal government under Obama

COLUMBUS (AP) - A rally attended by thousands Saturday at the Ohio Statehouse protested federal government power under President Obama and called for the passage of a measure to assert states' rights.



The newly formed Ohio Liberty Council staged the rally to protest what the council views as the usurping of power by the federal government in areas such as health care and energy.

The council called for the passage of an Ohio Senate resolution to assert states' rights in areas the U.S. Constitution does not grant the federal government the power to oversee.

The council consists of groups including Americans for Prosperity, the Buckeye Firearms Association and the Ohio Freedom Alliance.

A handful of states, including Florida, have introduced measures to assert states' rights.

"I want the right to drive a gas-guzzler and choose my own health care," said Amy Chauvette, 45, of Toledo, who held a sign that read, "America home of the free? Not lately."

"Government is losing sight of what they are really there for," she said. "They are not there to run car companies or health care. They are there to keep this country free."

Though most who attended the rally directed their ire at Obama and Democrats, some who attended also blamed President Bush, a Republican, for approving the first federal bank bailout.

http://www.chillicothegazette.com/article/20090802/NEWS01/908020315/-1/

[red states rule]

and the execs at MSNBC wonder why nobody watchs their network. Check out this "reporting" on voters who oppose Obamacare

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[CSM]

Interesting how the American public expressing opposing points of view from the current administration is now labelled as "sedition" by the same people who expressed such acts as "patriotism" when it involved the previous administration.


As I have been told, hypocriciy is ok as long as it's your "side" being hypocritical.

The voting public expressing their views could only be viewed as sedition if one is a tyrant. There certainly is an attack on the very fabric of America but it is not being executed by the public ... it is being perpetrated by the likes of a particular poster in this thread!

[red states rule]

Interesting how the American public expressing opposing points of view from the current administration is now labelled as "sedition" by the same people who expressed such acts as "patriotism" when it involved the previous administration.


As I have been told, hypocriciy is ok as long as it's your "side" being hypocritical.

The voting public expressing their views could only be viewed as sedition if one is a tyrant. There certainly is an attack on the very fabric of America but it is not being executed by the public ... it is being perpetrated by the likes of a particular poster in this thread!

Grass roots anger does not need a community organizer. When middle class Americans are angry they show up. Liberals like Olbermann and Joe are clueless because they are surrounded by socialists who think as they do.

I bet the blue dog Dems are watching these videos with a lot of concern. They are the key to defeating socialized medicine, and they know damn well2010 is around the corner.

[stephanie]

We have enemies within, and it's the Democrat party..

[CSM]

Grass roots anger does not need a community organizer. When middle class Americans are angry they show up. Liberals like Olbermann and Joe are clueless because they are surrounded by socialists who think as they do.

I bet the blue dog Dems are watching these videos with a lot of concern. They are the key to defeating socialized medicine, and they know damn well2010 is around the corner.

It is clear that there is a very large percentage of the voting public who are becoming more and more frustrated (if not outraged) with the antics of the Dems/libs. I bet that many of the current Congress will begin disassociating themselves from the pack and will try to make themselves appear more moderate.

[red states rule]

It is clear that there is a very large percentage of the voting public who are becoming more and more frustrated (if not outraged) with the antics of the Dems/libs. I bet that many of the current Congress will begin disassociating themselves from the pack and will try to make themselves appear more moderate.

The voters are pissed off these clowns in Washington are passing laws that affect our lives dramatically without reading the damn bills

They are pissed they are telling us how great Obamacare is - yet Congress exempts themselves and the unions from it

They are pissed Dems are going to spend more moeny we do not have - and cover illegals with Obamcare

and the voters are making their anger known - much to the dismay of the liberal media who are out to destroy them

[stephanie]

The voters are pissed off these clowns in Washington are passing laws that affect our lives dramatically without reading the damn bills

They are pissed they are telling us how great Obamacare is - yet Congress exempts themselves and the unions from it

They are pissed Dems are going to spend more moeny we do not have - and cover illegals with Obamcare

and the voters are making their anger known - much to the dismay of the liberal media who are out to destroy them

I can't say the lame ass Republican party has been doing much to help us..

there is one of two that speaks up about things, the rest just sit back and cower in the corner..they are pathetic...we have no Representation in all this mess..

[red states rule]

Yes.

Mobs.

These mobs are attending town hall meetings for the express purpose of disrupting them and preventing elected officials from discussing issues with their constituents.

Every mob is participating the Assault on American Democracy.

BTW Joe, when liberals use ACORN and The ACLU to fraudulently change the outcome of elections and force banks to make loans they would never do, it's called Community Organizing.

When we the People tell these idiots no, we are called mobs

Liberals act like they know whats best and we should bend over and take it. Well Joe - no more

You and your liberals buddies better get used to this, because it looks like America is waking up and the voters are damn mad.

[red states rule]

I can't say the lame ass Republican party has been doing much to help us..

there is one of two that speaks up about things, the rest just sit back and cower in the corner..they are pathetic...we have no Representation in all this mess..

We need more conservatives in the Republican party - and make the Republican party the party of Ronald Reagan

The R's are seeing the protests and they better take advantage of it in time for the 2010 midterms

[CSM]

I can't say the lame ass Republican party has been doing much to help us..

there is one of two that speaks up about things, the rest just sit back and cower in the corner..they are pathetic...we have no Representation in all this mess..

The Republican Party is indeed complicit in this whole mess. The entire Congress has sorely misjudged the voters. I am beginning to think that even the liberals are starting to rethink their position (excluding the extremists, of course).

[red states rule]

Will anyone be surprised if the Dems cancel all further town hall meetings?

Or if they ban any and all recording equipment from the meeting?

[Joe Steel]

BTW Joe, when liberals use ACORN and The ACLU to fraudulently change the outcome of elections and force banks to make loans they would never do, it's called Community Organizing.

More delusions.

It never happened.

A few overzealous ACORN volunteers stepped over the line and they were prosecuted. The Community Reinvestment Act had nothing to do with forcing banks to make bad loans. Capitalist greed forces banks to make bad loans just like capitalist greed is fueling this Assault on American Democracy.

[red states rule]

More delusions.

It never happened.

A few overzealous ACORN volunteers stepped over the line and they were prosecuted. The Community Reinvestment Act had nothing to do with forcing banks to make bad loans. Capitalist greed forces banks to make bad loans just like capitalist greed is fueling this Assault on American Democracy.

Joe, once again you make it way to easy

Acorn in under criminal investagation in multipal states

http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

and Dems did force banks to make loans to poor people who should never have had a home

http://bsimmons.wordpress.com/2008/10/01/1999-ny-times-fannie-mae-eases-credit-to-aid-mortgage-lending/

[emmett]

Dissent is patriotic.

Sedition isn't.

These mobs aren't merely dissenting. They're attacking the fabric of American democracy for the benefit of narrowly-focused special interests. This escalates Conservative perfidy from the Contract on America to an Assault on American Democracy.


So the fabric of American Society is providing Health Care for it's citizens?

A 55% disapproval by citizens is not really "narrowly focused" Joe. One could say it is actually "widely focused".

My wanting to be only responsible for my own family's Health Care is an assault on American Democracy?

Joe, do you see how foolish this sounds? One must remember that rhetoric is extremely elastic. Pull on it too hard and it slaps you in the face dude after it stretches too far.

Here's one for you. I am a soveriegn American citizen. I am having an extremely tough time with business and all. I cannot afford to provide other citizens' health care right now. How am I assaulting American democracy?

[stephanie]

JS statements are taken right out of the Communist handbook..

and that is what the Democrats in our Government has become..people need to wake up and see them for what they are..

[red states rule]

So the fabric of American Society is providing Health Care for it's citizens?

A 55% disapproval by citizens is not really "narrowly focused" Joe. One could say it is actually "widely focused".

My wanting to be only responsible for my own family's Health Care is an assault on American Democracy?

Joe, do you see how foolish this sounds? One must remember that rhetoric is extremely elastic. Pull on it too hard and it slaps you in the face dude after it stretches too far.

Here's one for you. I am a soveriegn American citizen. I am having an extremely tough time with business and all. I cannot afford to provide other citizens' health care right now. How am I assaulting American democracy?


Elected officials have become indifferent to what the people really want, and for too long they have become used to just standing up there and espousing a bunch of warm, fuzzy platitudes geared to get applause.

Now, they are scared to even schedule a town hall meeting for fear that an enraged citizenry will tell them the facts of life - and how they are sick of watching them piss thru our hard earned tax money

Join the club Emmett of pissed off voters - and make your voice heard

[Joe Steel]

So the fabric of American Society is providing Health Care for it's citizens?

A 55% disapproval by citizens is not really "narrowly focused" Joe. One could say it is actually "widely focused".

My wanting to be only responsible for my own family's Health Care is an assault on American Democracy?

Joe, do you see how foolish this sounds? One must remember that rhetoric is extremely elastic. Pull on it too hard and it slaps you in the face dude after it stretches too far.

Here's one for you. I am a soveriegn American citizen. I am having an extremely tough time with business and all. I cannot afford to provide other citizens' health care right now. How am I assaulting American democracy?

You should read these postings more closely. My comment was directed toward the treason of disrupting public meetings.

Town Hall meetings are an American tradition. They represent the assembly of the People contemplated by the Constitution itself. Interfering is an insult to the spirit if not the letter of the Constitution. It is political terrorism.

[MtnBiker]

Our resident communist doesn't believe in free speech.

[Nukeman]

You should read these postings more closely. My comment was directed toward the treason of disrupting public meetings.

Town Hall meetings are an American tradition. They represent the assembly of the People contemplated by the Constitution itself. Interfering is an insult to the spirit if not the letter of the Constitution. It is political terrorism.
Let me get this straight at a PUBLIC meeting a group of protesters want to be heard instead of the "selected" few for the media and they are guilty of sedition??? You are one whacked out loony there Joe. WE are afforded the freedom of speech in this country REGARDLESS if you like the message or not. Yes Joe that goes BOTH ways... Not just in favor of the loony code pink and other lunatics. Have you watched ANY of the video surfacing from these town hall meetings. The opposition is being silenced in favor of a media friendly group so the ONLY way they can be heard is by disruption.. You go ahead an blindly follow your shepherd to your doom.... Me I think I will continue to raise my voice in"sedition"..... IDIOT!!!!!!!!

[red states rule]

More from the Obama netowrk - it is all the fault of the ins companies

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[red states rule]

Another town hall meeting where the Dem did not answer the questions

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