How it really is

[CSM]

No politics (remeber when there were those braying about the returning coffins...yadda, yadda, yadda?), no ceremony, no crush of media

http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2009-07-19-wardead_N.htm

May those returning via this route rest in peace.

[emmett]

Simple answer:

They accomplished their objective in doing so and now a thing called "reality" is going on.

We also don't see news reports on how the Opresident is responsible for collateral damage, killing innocents and so forth. Afghanistan is clearly Obama's war. He admitted in the election that he intended to go there but yet is held to a different standard. Liberals don;t even call it a war. What is it then?

[CSM]

Simple answer:

They accomplished their objective in doing so and now a thing called "reality" is going on.

We also don't see news reports on how the Opresident is responsible for collateral damage, killing innocents and so forth. Afghanistan is clearly Obama's war. He admitted in the election that he intended to go there but yet is held to a different standard. Liberals don;t even call it a war. What is it then?

All that may be true; the point is that those soldiers, airmen, sailors and Marines whose remains are returned to this country are NOT political fodder and should be accorded the all the respect and honor we as a nation can muster ... regardless of who is Commander in Chief or what political agenda the media and others may have.

[namvet]

All that may be true; the point is that those soldiers, airmen, sailors and Marines whose remains are returned to this country are NOT political fodder and should be accorded the all the respect and honor we as a nation can muster ... regardless of who is Commander in Chief or what political agenda the media and others may have.

we've always been political fodder for liberals. they hate us. and we hate them. no youngster should have to die now. this country is not worth it anymore. their now forced to embrace socialism. they should be killing it.

[CSM]

we've always been political fodder for liberals. they hate us. and we hate them. no youngster should have to die now. this country is not worth it anymore. their now forced to embrace socialism. they should be killing it.

I used to feel like you do...now I just don't give a damn. This country will get what it deserves.

I do not wish to turn this particular thread into a political rant but rather keep it focused on how we treat our fallen military.

[namvet]

I used to feel like you do...now I just don't give a damn. This country will get what it deserves.

I do not wish to turn this particular thread into a political rant but rather keep it focused on how we treat our fallen military.

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[CSM]

9306gUTzUOc

Thank you so much for posting that! Hard for this old soldier to watch, to be sure.

[emmett]

I didn't meaqn to take anything away from the thread byu what I said. I attend military funerals from time to time as a member of the Patriot Guard. Frankly i have seen enough of them and agree it hardly seems worth it anymore to see our soldiers die for a system that is destined to piss on their graves.

That was more of what I meant to imply. I don;t want to see any more kids buried.

[CSM]

I didn't meaqn to take anything away from the thread byu what I said. I attend military funerals from time to time as a member of the Patriot Guard. Frankly i have seen enough of them and agree it hardly seems worth it anymore to see our soldiers die for a system that is destined to piss on their graves.

That was more of what I meant to imply. I don;t want to see any more kids buried.

Understood.

The "system" being what it is does not diminish the sacrifice those young men and women have made...that is what I meant.

Believe me, those who know me will tell you I will be the first to engage in a spirited discussion about such things (in another thread of course)....lol

[Kathianne]

Perhaps the best thing is the fact that the media no longer wishes to keep such a close count. It seems to me that providing the wherewithal for families to come to Dover if that's their wishes, is a good thing. Their being protected from the press is good too.

Regardless of the 'state of the country', politics, good wars or bad, all who serve and die, deserve respect and honor. I'm glad their loved ones can be there, if they so choose. If not, as the article indicates, little changes, as demonstrated in this post from Blackfive, later made into a tv movie:

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2004/04/taking_chance.html

[CSM]

Perhaps the best thing is the fact that the media no longer wishes to keep such a close count. It seems to me that providing the wherewithal for families to come to Dover if that's their wishes, is a good thing. Their being protected from the press is good too.

Regardless of the 'state of the country', politics, good wars or bad, all who serve and die, deserve respect and honor. I'm glad their loved ones can be there, if they so choose. If not, as the article indicates, little changes, as demonstrated in this post from Blackfive, later made into a tv movie:

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2004/04/taking_chance.html

Great read in that link!

[emmett]

Understood.

The "system" being what it is does not diminish the sacrifice those young men and women have made...that is what I meant.

Believe me, those who know me will tell you I will be the first to engage in a spirited discussion about such things (in another thread of course)....lol

Being an Anti-War person (conventional) does not make me any less respectful of the military than anyone else. I'm a vet too. I'm also very patriotic. I just think as times change the methodology should too. I don;t want to fight other people's battles. I'm tired of beiong the world's police officer.

[namvet]

Being an Anti-War person (conventional) does not make me any less respectful of the military than anyone else. I'm a vet too. I'm also very patriotic. I just think as times change the methodology should too. I don;t want to fight other people's battles. I'm tired of beiong the world's police officer.


I'm tired of beiong the world's police officer

brother you said it. me to. if they don't wanna help let someone else do it. we've done enough !!!!