*Conservative: How Do You Spot One?*

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. I often wonder what peoples ideas are on this topic?
2. Are you a card carrying Conservative?
3. Is there a card?
4. Is their some sort of official oath needed, or indoctrination given in order to be delcared one?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. But really what makes a Conservative?
2. Is it his religious views plus something?
3. Refusing to accept charity?
4. Making every body work for their living?
5. Even old folks?
6. Even people who have dedicated their whole lives to the bennifit of others?
7. Is a Conservative, just simply a Christian?
8. Whom believes in fiscal responsibilty?
9. Pay as you go, that kind of stuff.
10. So work first then pay as you go, even if your worn out?
11. Things to think about, whats your insights?
12. Is it a person fruitful in good works?
13. How many here do good works?
14. What makes a work good works?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Mr. P]

Sorry bout that,

1. I often wonder what peoples ideas are on this topic?
2. Are you a card carrying Conservative?
3. Is there a card?
4. Is their some sort of official oath needed, or indoctrination given in order to be delcared one?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Sorry about this BUT,

1. I often wonder how many drinks it takes before one makes such a post?
2. Or is it tokes?

Regards
Mr. P

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. It was neither.
2. I guess you haven't a clue my friend.
3. Or just never thought about it much.
4. Which is it?
5. The wonder of it all, lets here it.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Mr. P]

Sorry bout that,

1. It was neither.
2. I guess you haven't a clue my friend.
3. Or just never thought about it much.
4. Which is it?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

1. It is neither.

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

Mr. P wrote:

"1. It is neither."


1. If you say so.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[stephanie]

1.Okey Dokey cheesy dear...

2.you betcha. u are:lame2:

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,



1.Okey Dokey cheesy dear...

2.you betcha. u are:lame2:



1. Yes dear.
2. Lame is my game. :laugh2:

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[stephanie]

Sorry bout that,






1. Yes dear.
2. Lame is my game. :laugh2:

egards,
SirJamesofTexas

Sorry bout that,

1. I figured that..:slap:

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. But is a conservative unable to identify what one is?
2. Against everything for nothing?



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[emmett]

Fiscal responsibility, Less government, more emphasis on less restrictive liberties, no abortions, some conservatives are very relisious but then so are democrats,


Bad things about Conservatives (Republicans). They did not protect landowners rights on eminant domain, they sold out to more security meaning less liberty in Homeland Security wiretapping and basically haven't held their guns on values associated with their responsibility to protect soveriegn Americans rights like with Imigration.


For these agenda items one would have to look at the Libertarian Party who hates eminant domain, believes in absolute liberty, would never allow wiretapping under any circumstances and certainly would not support Anti-gun laws.


So how do you spot a Conservative......... you don't. How do you spot a Democrat....you don;t. How do you spot a Libertarian? They will be the folks at small town meetings once a month at Appelby's and small civic centers throughout the country fighting for the soveriegn rights YOU gave up on by voting Republican or Democrat.

[crin63]

Fiscal responsibility, Less government, more emphasis on less restrictive liberties, no abortions, some conservatives are very relisious but then so are democrats,

Additionally Conservatives hold the view of this country that the founding fathers did. They are Pro-Constitution and hold that it was written as intended. Obviously they are pro 2nd Amendment. Conservatives believe in the Sovereign rights of individuals so long as it doesn't encroach on others liberties.


Bad things about Conservatives (Republicans). They did not protect landowners rights on eminant domain, they sold out to more security meaning less liberty in Homeland Security wiretapping and basically haven't held their guns on values associated with their responsibility to protect soveriegn Americans rights like with Imigration.

You are confusing Conservatives with Republicans. They are not the same.


For these agenda items one would have to look at the Libertarian Party who hates eminant domain, believes in absolute liberty, would never allow wiretapping under any circumstances and certainly would not support Anti-gun laws.


So how do you spot a Conservative......... you don't. How do you spot a Democrat....you don;t. How do you spot a Libertarian? They will be the folks at small town meetings once a month at Appelby's and small civic centers throughout the country fighting for the soveriegn rights YOU gave up on by voting Republican or Democrat.

Respectfully Emmett, lets not confuse Conservatives with Republicans. Conservatives probably vote Republican more than they do Libertarian but thats in part because of some extreme views of the Libertarian Party.

There is no absolute freedom and can be no absolute freedom. Absolute freedom would mean you could run into a crowded movie theater and start yelling, "FIRE" and watch people trample each other for kicks.

Absolute freedom would allow you to kill your neighbor or take his stuff if you're bigger than him or have more firepower. Although this is the view of the Libertarian Party. Just get out of the way and let someone kill a baby because they don't feel like having it today.

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. But it would seem it does vary on what a Conservative is.
2. If other minds here would offer up theiir views, I think it would even get more difficult to spot one.
3. So in order to be a conservative, one needs a Bible tucked up under the sea weed armpit.
4. Then pack a 38 special in his belt.
5. Want to get rid of emminant domain laws.
6. Which have been in place for at least a century.
7. Against abortion.
8. What about gays getting married?
9. Against stem cell research.
10. Pro - Constitution.
11. Against wire tapping, wait Bush made that happen, are we sure we want to get rid of that?
12. What about strong military?
13. Strange how we are very religious and yet we want to be ready to fight in wars.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[emmett]

I use the term "absolute freedom" often, out of context i admit. Obviously to me it does not mean the ability to go "kill my neighbor" which of course is not on my immediate agenda. I also have not had the impulse to run into any movie theaters lately and scream "FIRE" just for kicks, as obviously this would be wrong.

I am always amused when a Conservative resorts to this type of example to explain why they do not share Libartarian views. Saying that Libartarians condone "killing babies" and promote "drug addiction" and things like that. Libartarians do nothing of the sort. These things already exist. Libertarians had nothing to do with drumming them up any more than typical Conservatives did. Our debate is whether government should have the power to prevent it for the common good.

Conservative values can be shared by many different political affiliations. There are even some democrats who are conservative. Zell Miller for example was a prime example of a conservative politician although ironically he was a democrat.

I don't think classifying all Conservatives as "bible thumpers" is appropreiate either. I am a Conservative. I do not believe in abortion. I would never advocate its application or influence anyone to make that choice. Many here know the story of my son and daughter in law who became pregnat while teenagers and how my family dealt with the issue. Having said that, my money is where my mouth is on this issue. I would still say that "choice" must the family's, not government's.

I also believe in God. I believe in less government, I believe government should not be allowed to spend a dime of money we do not have. That is fiscal responsibility. These are Conservative beliefs and i share them all with Conservatives.....however I am a Libertarian. Many Libertarians feel the same as I do. I believe in complete seperation of Church and State. There are too many religions to allow any to have influence on the daily lives of people to be mandated by religious belief. Religion has no place in government. I believe a person has a "right" to not believe if they so choose. I think it is wrong personally, but I believe they have it.

Personally I feel Conservatives, who usually align themselves as Republicans, want their cake and eat it too. That is why their power and ability to influence government is slipping away a little at a time. I wouldn't think it a far stretch to say that Republicans are losing control faster than rain wets the ground. Why is this happening? Because the view of the "average" American is moving farther from the view of the average Conservative.

CRin...your statement that Libertarians condone the killing of babies shows why in my opinion, Conservatives are staring at the inside of their eyelids. It is already the law of the land to allow people to kill babies sir. "Roe vs. Wade". Libertarians didn't do that, nor did Republicans. My point is that if the law didn;t dictate either way it would be allowing personal choice as should be the case with all decisions. After all, each and every person who has made this choice will have to face God on that one as they will on on all decisions they have made.

Let us suppose for a moment that Abortion was illegal. What should be the penalty for that "crime". AND......what about rape and incest? Or should that woman be required to have the child as well. "Forced" let us say because that is what it is. One could say yes but it would be a different thing for a wife who was already the mother of two, to have to have a child of a rapist and it live in a home with her family. I mean, we can't half step the law can we? Abortion is abortion. I know I would want my wife to at least have that choice if she was raped and became pregnat. I couldn't think of a more demoralizing thing government could do to a traumatized rape victim than require her to have the child of a rapist.

Okay..."Oh, that would be different!" Some Conservatives say. Really? It is...why? How about to save a life of a mother. Different again right? Government intervention again.....again and again. Families should decide on all matters! Abortion being only one of the many.

Back to the original question of the thread. How do you spot a Conservative? Well if you walk into the House of Represenatives it is that very small group of folks sitting over in the corner. Getting smaller all the time. In the Senate, conservatives are jumping across the aisle faster than rain falls. In America less and less "Conservatives" are being born every day. I think it has something to do with the fact that government is being allowed to make our choices for us and mandate them as law we must follow. I have to say I also believe it is because Republicans have gotten just as bad as Democrats about it too. You cannot compromise liberty and freedom of choice. When you do you create an environment like exists in 2009 in our country. Allowing government to legislate how we live has compromised our decision making ability. We are becoming social robots and this plays right into the hands of the Socialist agenda.

I say let people make "all choices" concerning the way they live their lives on earth and let God be the Supreme Court. Ah....no appeals court you know! The Constitution of the United States says Congress should make no law that would place an unfair burden on a citizen to conform basically.

So instead of trying to spot the guy with the bible tucked under his arm Chess, or having to ask him for his "card", let's assume that he still exists at all. Government might just make a law making it illegal to be a Conservative. Those who conform to that law, when passed, will have only themselves to blame as they were willing to compromise their liberty in the first place and allow the passing of laws that seemed to represent the common good. First it was onr little law that seems harmless enough, then another. On the surface they appeared to be good ideas but then all of a sudden these "laws" seemed to be completely out of line and force Americans to live life in a way they did not feel being an American had anything to do with. How could this happen? Well....in a tuly Libertarian America, it could not happen. yes bad decisions would be getting made every day. It would not end that but the decisions would be getting made by the people.......NOT THE GOVERNMENT!!!!! Bad decisions would always be getting made in any society where freedom of choice were the primary agenda. You cannot legislate bad decisions away. Just like you cannot legislate away killers and theives by making guns illegal. Locking up marijuana smokers and placing the burden of their support on taxpayers is not going to eliminate marijuana smoking. It isn't even a crime that infringes on anothers right to liberty. The child molestor who runs around free however as a result of that filled prison cell.....IS....infringing on everyone's right to liberty.

I have never tried to claim that a Libertarian America would solve the country's problems from a moral prospective. I just think it would place more decision making ability in the hands of the "people" and it would. The right to make bad decisions if they so choose and if they made a decision that infringed on another's right to liberty then they would suffer the penalty. My debate issue is with what "right" do we collectively have as a nation to decide issues for each American. A less complex system is all I advocate. Less vs. More government. We see what more government is and it doesn't seem to be working for me and I would like to try the alternative, you know, the way it was at inception. i mean certainly we agree that our country was a bit more "Libertarian" at conception....right? Were we better then...or are we better now? That is the question.

Crin.....maybe it's time for you and I to take up this issue one on one in a forum where we can settle this matter once and for all. I mean we have been playing with it for a long time now. I have the utmost respect for your positions and you a are a good man, but I think I am right. I would even accept the challenge of saying in order to win the debate with you on this topic, you would have to fill out a Libertarian Membership application and become a card carrying member of the Libertarian Party. So to you....I say....choose your pistol. I'm calling you out!

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. Nice post emmett.
2. Well thought out, with good details.
3. Still it seems its not all that easy to spot a conservative.
4. Maybe there should be a service set up, to help identify conservatives.
5. Let a profession of faith be established, in order to take an oath.
6. Let *Conservative ID* cards be provided.
7. Let it be centered on *Religion*.
8. For the most common trait of a conservative is they believe in God.
9. This would be a tool and way to broaden the power structure of conservatives.
10. Lets do it!
11. Right here on DP.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[glockmail]

Fiscal responsibility, Less government, more emphasis on less restrictive liberties, no abortions, some conservatives are very relisious but then so are democrats,


Bad things about Conservatives (Republicans). They did not protect landowners rights on eminant domain, they sold out to more security meaning less liberty in Homeland Security wiretapping and basically haven't held their guns on values associated with their responsibility to protect soveriegn Americans rights like with Imigration.


For these agenda items one would have to look at the Libertarian Party who hates eminant domain, believes in absolute liberty, would never allow wiretapping under any circumstances and certainly would not support Anti-gun laws.


So how do you spot a Conservative......... you don't. How do you spot a Democrat....you don;t. How do you spot a Libertarian? They will be the folks at small town meetings once a month at Appelby's and small civic centers throughout the country fighting for the soveriegn rights YOU gave up on by voting Republican or Democrat. Usurpation of property rights is not a Conservative position. Wire taps on foreign telephone conversations in times of war is a prudent and necessary for the Federal government to provide its constitutional mandate of protecting our borders.

[Tudor]

I am a liberal, so I wouldn't know from experiance it is to be a card carrying conservative.

To me, a true conservative is someone who deeply cares about their country, and plays an important role in the political sphere. No one party should become too powerful, so the conservatives act as a check on the democrats, and visa versa.

[creativeage]

Sorry bout that,

1. Nice post emmett.
2. Well thought out, with good details.
3. Still it seems its not all that easy to spot a conservative.
4. Maybe there should be a service set up, to help identify conservatives.
5. Let a profession of faith be established, in order to take an oath.
6. Let *Conservative ID* cards be provided.
7. Let it be centered on *Religion*.
8. For the most common trait of a conservative is they believe in God.
9. This would be a tool and way to broaden the power structure of conservatives.
10. Lets do it!
11. Right here on DP.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Sir James - great idea! I am not thrilled about "canning" conservatives, tho' - why not come up with a barometer of actual current hot topics - have everyone answer honestly (on abortion, healthcare, taxes, environment, etc) - I can't believe that all these giant poll companies haven't come up with a simple questionnaire that could perhaps show measures - my prediction is that a huge majority would actually end up without any party affilication at the end. Being an artist - I try at all costs to not be pigeon-holed into a category (like our country does with our children and puts them on dangerous meds as opposed to just allowing them to use the right-side of their brains, which science is discovering is the primary issue with most ADHD patients).

I'll stop rambling - can we come up with a FAIR questionnaire that doesn't pigeon-hole "conservative" "liberal" - and just get the hard-core answers from folks? I personally vote for my beliefs, and most happen to lean on the conservative side (not religious), and never vote for party, just the closest match because that is the way gov't rolls. Hence, my "bohemian" conservative title (I stand firm on many issues, yet at least admit when I sway rather than following a herd.). I must agree however - the primary common trait is acknowledgement of GOD.

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. Being a card carrying conservative, would be a good thing.
2. People should not be afraid of what they believe.
3. And there is strenght in numbers.
4. I think we should do it!
5. Having this card will bring conservatives together, and make us stronger.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas