Fox News and its connection to the Pittsburgh cop massacre

[Jagger]

We're learning more and more about the killer who called cops to his apartment in order to execute them on Saturday morning. We're learning that Richard Andrew Poplawski was a right-wing conspiracy nut who was convinced the new Democratic administration was going to take away the guns of Americans.

http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200904050005

Was Poplaski a right wing terrorist? Is Glenn Beck promoting terrorism?

[crin63]

Was Poplaski a right wing terrorist? Is Glenn Beck promoting terrorism?

The guy was a neo-nazi white supremacist according to what Glenn Beck said and Glenn Beck said that anyone like that should be turned in.

[hjmick]

Was Poplaski a right wing terrorist? Is Glenn Beck promoting terrorism?

Are you an idiot?

[emmett]

Was Poplaski a right wing terrorist? Is Glenn Beck promoting terrorism?

Is Barney Frank a left wing Socialist fag? That dosen't make every Democrat a fag does it?


The guy was a nutjob.

[Jagger]

Why would he think that our right to defend ourselves was going to be taken away?


Obama will slowly but surely take away your gun or take away your ability to shoot a gun, carry a gun.

--Glenn Beck

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Mr. Poplawski turned to a far-right conspiracy Web site run by Alex Jones, a self-described documentarian with roots going back to the extremist militia movement of the early 1990s.

Who is Alex Jones?

[avatar4321]

Why would he think that our right to defend ourselves was going to be taken away?

Cause any sane person realizes that Democrats have been taking away that right for decades.

[Jagger]

Is Barney Frank a left wing Socialist fag? That dosen't make every Democrat a fag does it?


The guy was a nutjob.

How long have you had that mullet?

[theHawk]

Obama will slowly but surely take away your gun or take away your ability to shoot a gun, carry a gun.

--Glenn Beck

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Maybe the truth should be banned because someone will get too upset and go off the deep end killing innocent people.

[Jagger]

Democrats have been taking away that right for decades. Glenn Beck talks about it all the time.

[theHawk]

Glenn Beck talks about it all the time.

Alot more people other than Glenn Beck have been talking about the assault on 2nd amendment rights. I know I have. Does that make me responsible for this too?

[Jagger]

Maybe the truth should be banned because someone will get too upset and go off the deep end killing innocent people.

Show us evidence that Obama has advocated that the government take away your gun or take away your ability to shoot a gun or carry a gun.

Who is Alex Jones and what is his relationship with Glenn Beck and Fox?

[theHawk]

Show us evidence that Obama has advocated that the government take away your gun or take away your ability to shoot a gun or carry a gun.





The first of many on a long list


Opposed bill okaying illegal gun use in home invasions
Hale DeMar, a 52-year-old Wilmette resident, was arrested and charged with misdemeanor violations for shooting, in the shoulder and leg, a burglar who broke into his home not once, but twice. Cook County prosecutors dropped all charges against DeMar.
In March 2004, the Illinois Senate passed Senate Bill 2165, a law introduced in response to DeMar's case, with provisions designed to assert a right of citizens to protect themselves against home invasions, such that self-defense requirements would be viewed to take precedence over local ordinances against handgun possession. The measure passed the Illinois Senate by a vote of 38-20. Barack Obama was one of the 20 state senators voting against the measure.

Governor Rod Blagojevich vetoed the bill. On Nov. 9, 2004, the Illinois Senate voted 40-18 to override Blagojevich's veto. Again, Obama acted against the bill.

On Nov. 17, the Illinois House voted overwhelmingly, 85-30, to override the governor's veto and Senate Bill 2165 became law.





Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws
Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an individual’s right to bear arms?
A: As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can’t constrain the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it.

Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns?

A: I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of illegal guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that criminals don’t have guns in their hands. We can make certain that those who are mentally deranged are not getting a hold of handguns. We can trace guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers that may be selling to straw purchasers and dumping them on the streets.



FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban
Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, “No, my writing wasn’t on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns.”
Actually, Obama’s writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:

35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.
Obama’s campaign said, “Sen. Obama didn’t fill out these state Senate questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that didn’t reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn’t reflect his views.”

http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm


Still want to argue Obama doesn't have an agenda to assault 2nd Amendment rights?

[Jagger]

It is well established that Obama's position is that the Second Amendment conveys an individual right to bear arms and that he supports reasonable regulations on those rights. He has done nothing as President to suggest he no longer holds that view.

[Jagger]

In March 2004, the Illinois Senate passed Senate Bill 2165, a law introduced in response to DeMar's case, with provisions designed to assert a right of citizens to protect themselves against home invasions, such that self-defense requirements would be viewed to take precedence over local ordinances against handgun possession.

That is not a accurate characterization of the Bill. However, even if it was, a defeat of the bill wouldn't have constituted a law that took away guns.

[Mr. P]

It is well established that Obama's position is that the Second Amendment conveys an individual right to bear arms and that he supports reasonable regulations on those rights. He has done nothing as President to suggest he no longer holds that view.

He's been a bit busy giving our money away..just wait, he'll get to it. His history on guns and CONTROL is clear...that means "transparent" for you eyes wide shut types. Geeezzzzz

[theHawk]

It is well established that Obama's position is that the Second Amendment conveys an individual right to bear arms and that he supports reasonable regulations on those rights. He has done nothing as President to suggest he no longer holds that view.

This is the best you can come up with? "It is well established" that Obama's position is that the Second Amendment "conveys an individual right to bear arms"? The 2nd Amendment doesn't "convey" that right, it explicitly forbids the government from infringing on that right.

He doesn't support "reasonable" regulations on those rights, he supports full fledged gun control. He supports an all out ban on handguns, and "assualt rifles". Assault rifles being any semi-automatic.

This quote gives us insight on what Obama really thinks of guns:


Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban
KEYES: [to Obama]: I am a strong believer in the second amendment. The gun control mentality is ruthlessly absurd. It suggests that we should pass a law that prevents law abiding citizens from carrying weapons. You end up with a situation where the crook have all the guns and the law abiding citizens cannot defend themselves. I guess that’s good enough for Senator Obama who voted against the bill that would have allowed homeowners to defend themselves if their homes were broken into.
OBAMA: Let’s be honest. Mr. Keyes does not believe in common gun control measures like the assault weapons bill. Mr. Keyes does not believe in any limits from what I can tell with respect to the possession of guns, including assault weapons that have only one purpose, to kill people. I think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban.

Clearly Obama thinks certain guns have one purpose, "to kill people". Is this to mean if a weapon can kill a person then it should be banned? The purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to be able to defend oneself from other people that mean to do you harm. And yes, that means you have the right to kill them when defending yourself. Maybe Obama thinks the 2nd Amendment is meant for hunting purposes. And even then, how would the government distinguish between weapons that are ment to kill animals versus weapons that are ment to kill people?

If Obama had his way, the average law abiding citizen that chooses to own a firearm would be stuck with defending his home and family with a single bolt-action rifle. While criminals would be running around with far superior weapons like semi-auto rifles and handguns.

[Jagger]

He's been a bit busy giving our money away..just wait, he'll get to it. I'll be waiting.


His history on guns and CONTROL is clear. His policy is clear. It's basically what the Supreme Court recently ruled. There is a right to have guns, but the right is not absolute.

I'm not going to worry until I see him actually deviate from his stated policy.


Mr. Keyes does not believe in common gun control measures like the assault weapons bill. Mr. Keyes does not believe in any limits from what I can tell with respect to the possession of guns, including assault weapons that have only one purpose, to kill people. I think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban.

An assault weapon ban would not deprive us of the right to have guns for self defense.

Poplawski evidently was a Glenn Beck fan. He used some of the same rhetoric that Beck uses about the "Obama gun grab." He also subscribes to Beck's apocalyptic projections regarding the U.S. under Obama and a need for revolution that Beck has called for.

[Mr. P]

I'll be waiting.

His policy is clear. It's basically what the Supreme Court recently ruled. There is a right to have guns, but the right is not absolute.

I'm not going to worry until I see him actually deviate from his stated policy.

Butt, the writing is on the wall, wait and it's too late.

I predict a move to severely restrict/control ammo, which will essentially disarm the public without 2nd amendment infringement..A band through the back-door.

Think the latest tobacco tax tax increase for example.

I'll be watching.

[Jagger]

I predict a move to severely restrict/control ammo, which will essentially disarm the public without 2nd amendment infringement.. That's fine with me. I'm highly skilled with a Bowie Knife and in Combat Archery. Not to mention that I've killed highly skilled warriors with my bare hands.

[Jagger]

Mentor for police killer is also a mentor for right wing talkers.

http://www.alternet.org/rights/13559...e/?page=entire

[Jagger]

When you have bozos on your show talking about Obama's quest to take away guns, and you know it isn't true, someone could get the wrong message. That someone could have been Richard Poplawski in the Pittsburgh shooting.

--Dennis Miller

[Mr. P]

That's fine with me. I'm highly skilled with a Bowie Knife and in Combat Archery. Not to mention that I've killed highly skilled warriors with my bare hands.

Okay, Pinocchio.


When you have bozos on your show talking about Obama's quest to take away guns, and you know it isn't true, someone could get the wrong message. That someone could have been Richard Poplawski in the Pittsburgh shooting.

--Dennis Miller

It's been well established that Dennis Miller is an idiot.

[Jagger]

From Conspiracy Theories to Cable News http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJcPwhHGMOE

More Dumbshittery from Glenn Beck http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrf14VN4boM