President of the United States directs a private citizen to quit his job

[Little-Acorn]

If government chooses not to abide by the limits imposed on it by the Constitution, then that government has NO limits.

For those of you who believe that "It was best for the country that he step down, so that makes it OK for govt to tell him to leave" is an acceptable excuse, see the first sentence in this post.

Let's see... The Obama admin chose to decide which comapnies could fail and which couldn't, then made it so by doling out a trillion or more US dollars to the lucky ones.

Then they decided to control the salaries of some of the employees. Not many... but how long will that limit be in place?

Now they've decided to take the responsibility of deciding who can work where. Again, they haven't applied it to many... yet.

Keep in mind, though, that now that they've successfully violated the 10th amendment's prohibition on interfering with a private company's internal operations (salaries, hiring & firing etc.), we no longer have a government that is held back by the law. Instead we have a government that does not interfere even further, only because it has decided on its own not to do so... for now. This is the difference between the "Rule of law" and the "Rule of men". And the U.S. government has come down firmly on the wrong side of that difference.

Remind me again why I should NOT think we are careening headlong into a socialistic form of government?

When you ignore the limits impose on the American government by the Constitution, you wind up with a government that has NO limits. We're not there yet... but the light at the end of the tunnel, is looking more and more like an approaching train. An EXPRESS train.

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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20625.html

GM CEO resigns at Obama's behest

by MIKE ALLEN & JOSH GERSTEIN
3/29/09 5:23 PM EDT
Updated: 3/29/09 7:53 PM EDT

The White House confirms Wagoner is leaving at the government's behest.

The Obama administration asked Rick Wagoner, the chairman and CEO of General Motors, to step down and he agreed, a White House official said.

On Monday, President Barack Obama is to unveil his plans for the auto industry, including a response to a request for additional funds by GM and Chrysler. The plan is based on recommendations from the Presidential Task Force on the Auto Industry, headed by the Treasury Department.

The White House confirmed Wagoner was leaving at the government's behest after The Associated Press reported his immediate departure, without giving a reason.

General Motors issued a vague statement Sunday night that did not officially confirm Wagoner's departure.

"We are anticipating an announcement soon from the Administration regarding the restructuring of the U.S. auto industry. We continue to work closely with members of the Task Force and it would not be appropriate for us to speculate on the content of any announcement," the company said.

The surprise announcement about the classically iconic American corporation is perhaps the most vivid sign yet of the tectonic change in the relationship between business and government in this era of subsidies and bailouts.

Wagoner has been CEO for 8 years and at GM for more than 30. It is not yet clear who would replace him, or what role the administration would play in that process.

Industry sources had said the White House planned very tough medicine in Monday's announcement, which turned out to be an understatement. And it went to the very top. The measures to be imposed by the government will have a dramatic effect on workers, unions, suppliers, bondholders, shareholders, retirees and the communities where plants are located, the sources said.


(Full text of this article can be read at the above URL)

[April15]

When tax payer money is used to bail out a company WE the taxpayers become the board of directors! The man had failed his company and the share holders, Good bye.

[Little-Acorn]

When tax payer money is used to bail out a company WE the taxpayers become the board of directors!
No, you become the shareholders. The government becomes the Board of Directors... in direct violation of the U.S. Constitution.


The man had failed his company and the share holders, Good bye.

Again, see the second sentence of the OP. Your "excuses why", don't make it any less true.

The power to give an order like this, used to reside only in Kings and Dictators.

That's still true today.

[April15]

No, you become the shareholders. The government becomes the Board of Directors... in direct violation of the U.S. Constitution.



Again, see the second sentence of the OP. Your "excuses why", don't make it any less true.

The power to give an order like this, used to reside only in Kings and Dictators.

That's still true today.

What you call excuses I call reasons.

[sgtdmski]

Hopefully, Obama will next ask the leaders of the UAW to step down as well. Considering they share a part of the responsibility for the hard economic times the American Car Manufacturer's are facing as compared to their foreign counterparts in this country.

Fair is fair right. If we ask the head of GM to step down because he is to blame for the companies tough times, then too should the head of the UAW because of his contributing to the companies situations.

I will wait ever expectantly.

dmk

[April15]

Hopefully, Obama will next ask the leaders of the UAW to step down as well. Considering they share a part of the responsibility for the hard economic times the American Car Manufacturer's are facing as compared to their foreign counterparts in this country.

Fair is fair right. If we ask the head of GM to step down because he is to blame for the companies tough times, then too should the head of the UAW because of his contributing to the companies situations.

I will wait ever expectantly.

dmk

It does sound fair.

[avatar4321]

When tax payer money is used to bail out a company WE the taxpayers become the board of directors! The man had failed his company and the share holders, Good bye.

Tax payer money shouldnt have been used to begin with.

You let them bail the companies out. Then when they seize more power and decide to determine who is fired and who gets bonuses or not, you act as though the President is simply some innocent bystander trying to save us from the evil company.

Yet while your distracted with the evil capitalist, you ignore the government seizing even more power and even justify it! This is suicidal.

Government doesnt relinquish power it's wrongfully seized without alot of blood being shed.

[stephanie]

Welcome to the Undivided Communist States of America..and the "Obama" is now our, DEAR LEADER..

heil Obama

April better hope they don't come after his business next..I wonder if he'll be cheering and applauding then.?

[crin63]

That this discussion is even necessary shows just how far America has fallen.

This is complete insanity with all these bailouts and now they are going to dictate who can and cant run businesses. What arrogance, what audacity this administration has, its despicable.

[April15]

Welcome to the Undivided Communist States of America..and the "Obama" is now our, DEAR LEADER..

heil Obama

April better hope they don't come after his business next..I wonder if he'll be cheering and applauding then.?I'll tell ya that they can have it as it is just about bankrupt. So are many of my contacts in construction.

[April15]

That this discussion is even necessary shows just how far America has fallen.

This is complete insanity with all these bailouts and now they are going to dictate who can and cant run businesses. What arrogance, what audacity this administration has, its despicable.I find it refreshing to have some ethical newby cleaning house.

[stephanie]

I'll tell ya that they can have it as it is just about bankrupt. So are many of my contacts in construction.

And who's fault is that?
You should just donate it to the state, I'm sure they can run it better..That would be the right thing to do for the collective, wouldn't it?

[bullypulpit]

No, you become the shareholders. The government becomes the Board of Directors... in direct violation of the U.S. Constitution.



Again, see the second sentence of the OP. Your "excuses why", don't make it any less true.

The power to give an order like this, used to reside only in Kings and Dictators.

That's still true today.

So, every time a bank goes in to receivership at the hands of the FDIC...That's unconstitutional?

Asking a CEO to step down is not in the same league as scooping citizens off the street and holding them indefinitely, torturing them, creating extrajudicial legal systems, domestic spying...those are the tools of a dictator. Wait a minute...George W. Bush did that.

[PostmodernProphet]

So, every time a bank goes in to receivership at the hands of the FDIC...That's unconstitutional?

Asking a CEO to step down is not in the same league as scooping citizens off the street and holding them indefinitely, torturing them, creating extrajudicial legal systems, domestic spying...those are the tools of a dictator. Wait a minute...George W. Bush did that.

there's a difference.....the things you complain of never happened, the thing we complained of just did......

[Monkeybone]

How many people at AIG have been told/forced to quit?

[Nukeman]

How many people at AIG have been told/forced to quit?
Thats a good question Monkey!!! I have to say that there have been several on this very site that have said when AIG received the bailout money it was theirs to do with as they see fit, no stipulations were placed on the money.

Now we have the government placing stipulations on how the money is to be spent. I for one would have DEMANDED that the administrative and union representitave be "reorganized" or replaced to receive ANY MORE MONEY. They are obviously not perfomring in a viable way. The Company is ASKING for more money, when I go to the bank and ask for money THEY place stipulations on how much I can receive and how I will pay it back, they also determine if I am able to receive the money in the first place by looking at my "past performance" and if it is isn't up to par guesse what...... THEY DON'T LEND IT TO ME..... Why should a company recieveing a "loan" fromthe feds be any different..........

[emmett]

Futile conversation! The Government has done it...that's that! This means that they can continue. It also means that if they don't, say bailout a company, they thereby deal a losing hand to a competitor of one of those companies. Surely after having pumped tax dollars into a company like AIG they will NOT allow failure of that company or it would be viewed as bad investment of taxpayer dollars. This could not be allowed from a popularity standpoint.

We are SCREWWWWED! The ONLY answer to this behavior is to boycott the tax system! Our government was not intended to be this to it's citizens. A Tax boycott would be a non violent way to retake our government. Anyone who thinks this should be allowed to continue is with all due respect .... a damn FOOL!

[Monkeybone]

:tinfoil: and then the more people that they fire, they more that goes onto welfare and then the more that rely on them and then they rely on them and then they realize what they can get for not working and then they vote for them more so that they get more welfare and then they don't even bother looking for work because they are on welfare and then the Gov has more control over them because they are on welfare and then their kids realize that they don't have to work becasue they can live on welfare and then their kids vote for more people that promise to take care of them and give them what they want and that they won't have to take drug test for the welfare becasue that is invasion of privacy and they like that becasue they are on welfare and don't want drug test so they vote for them....imagine what that could mean if a cycle like that started or something.... :tinfoil:

[Nukeman]

:tinfoil: and then the more people that they fire, they more that goes onto welfare and then the more that rely on them and then they rely on them and then they realize what they can get for not working and then they vote for them more so that they get more welfare and then they don't even bother looking for work because they are on welfare and then the Gov has more control over them because they are on welfare and then their kids realize that they don't have to work becasue they can live on welfare and then their kids vote for more people that promise to take care of them and give them what they want and that they won't have to take drug test for the welfare becasue that is invasion of privacy and they like that becasue they are on welfare and don't want drug test so they vote for them....imagine what that could mean if a cycle like that started or something.... :tinfoil:

uhhhhh "run on sentence":coffee::beer:

[Kathianne]

uhhhhh "run on sentence":coffee::beer:

Hey, that deserves an award! Cool!

[emmett]

I just watched him say he has no intention of running American companies! The government just fired the CEO of a company and he makes this claim?

If I watch him sit there and rock his head back and forth, looking this way and that one more time, I'm gonna scream! He can't look directly into a camera. He gives his news conferences like he is talking to a live screaming audience. He really believes that everything he says is stimulating a cheering section. He needs to get over himself. I've never seen a President who could not talk directly into a camera. He can't do it!

Now he is lining up Fiat to take over Chrysler. That is running a company also.

[stephanie]

As some people have said..He didn't ask the union leader at GM to step down..

[Monkeybone]

uhhhhh "run on sentence":coffee::beer:

i know. was the point. i should neg rep you for that:laugh2: captain obvious



jerk..............let's fight!

[Kathianne]

i know. was the point. i should neg rep you for that:laugh2: captain obvious



jerk..............let's fight!

I love run on sentences, so much more than fragments. ;)

[Little-Acorn]

How many people at AIG have been told/forced to quit?

Hopefully, a lot.

And hopefully, not by the government. But by their supervisors, or Board of Directors for the high-level ones, etc.

See the difference?

[Monkeybone]

Hopefully, a lot.

And hopefully, not by the government. But by their supervisors, or Board of Directors for the high-level ones, etc.

See the difference?

haha gotcha. can't let those guys go..they're trying to dig out of that hole they're in. good thing too...they be the brains of the operation.

maybe the auto industry should've donated more to the campaigns of Obama and Dodd. no one to blame but themselves