Obama admits using crisis to impose socialism

[Little-Acorn]

Last week it was Obama's Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, who said that the Democrats should not let a good crisis go to waste, but should do things that the people hadn't let them do earlier.

Then yesterday, his Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the same thing, during a trip to Russia.

Now Obama himself is joining the chorus.

Coincidence?

The American people have long rejected things like nationalized health care and other socialistic programs taken over by government. But the Democrats have kept trying to impose them anyway, through thick and thin. Now they see an opportunity, where they might succeed in legislating against the will of the people.

Of course, the difference between pushing an agenda during times of calm, and pushing it during a crisis, is that during a crisis, people are scared, desperate, and more willing to accept anything the government throws at them, in hopes it will somehow help. This is exactly what the Democrats have been waiting for.

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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090307/D96P7GG00.html

Obama: Crisis is time of `great opportunity'

Mar 7, 8:36 AM (ET)
By BEN FELLER

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama on Saturday challenged his country to see its hard times as a chance to "discover great opportunity in the midst of great crisis."

"That is what we can do and must do today. And I am absolutely confident that is what we will do," Obama said in his weekly radio and video address, taped a day earlier at the White House.

Obama recapped the work of the latest hectic week in his young presidency. His goal was to reassure the country that he and his team are taking specific steps to create jobs in the short term and begin to address huge issues such as health care.

His rundown of the past week: the launch of a more detailed plan to help struggling homeowners avoid foreclosure; a new credit plan to spur lending for people and businesses; an overhaul of the way the government hands out private contracts to reduce waste; and a summit on how to overhaul health care.

On the last point, Obama has set a goal of signing a bill this year that would fix the U.S. health care system, which is the costliest in the world and leaves an estimated 48 million people uninsured, plus many others lacking adequate coverage.

"Our ideas and opinions about how to achieve this reform will vary, but our goal must be the same: quality, affordable health care for every American that no longer overwhelms the budgets of families, businesses and our government," Obama said.

Obama says he is not wedded to a plan on how to fix the problem. But one proposal he has endorsed, giving Americans the option of buying medical coverage through a government plan, is drawing opposition from Republicans.

Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., emphasized that point in the Republican weekly radio address.

"I'm concerned that if the government steps in it will eventually push out the private health care plans millions of Americans enjoy today," Blunt said. "This could cause your employer to simply stop offering coverage, hoping the government will pick up the slack."

[avatar4321]

dirty little secret is: There is no Crisis.

[Kathianne]

dirty little secret is: There is no Crisis.

There is a crisis and Obama is exploiting it.

[Missileman]

There is a crisis and Obama is exploiting it.

Agreed...I heard him say that lack of healthcare is a major threat to the economy...nice sound bite, but it's a load of rubbish.

[avatar4321]

There is a crisis and Obama is exploiting it.

economic downturn is not a crisis.

Violence in the street.
30% unemployment
Collapse of government and civility

That's a crisis.

This is just a rough period of time.

[Kathianne]

economic downturn is not a crisis.

Violence in the street.
30% unemployment
Collapse of government and civility

That's a crisis.

This is just a rough period of time.

If the economy keeps going the way it has, the other 3 will follow.

[April15]

By the way did you know that every thirty seconds another bankruptcy is filed for medical reasons? Just saw it on the tube.

[Kathianne]

By the way did you know that every thirty seconds another bankruptcy is filed for medical reasons? Just saw it on the tube.

That makes it true.

[April15]

That makes it true.It makes it noteworthy.

[Kathianne]

It makes it noteworthy.

Why?

[avatar4321]

If the economy keeps going the way it has, the other 3 will follow.

I think its more likely to happen if we pretend its worse than what it really is. If we see things as they are we will see we arent in a crisis. There is no reason to panic.

But if we panic, then we keep doing things that dont work and we have created a crisis.

[April15]

Why?
As a person who pays for health insurance I hate it when I am told, that's not covered. You would think that for 982 a month everything would be covered.
So I can see why people are filing for bankruptcy for medical reasons. The nationalized healthcare should prevent the bankruptcy and people dieing for no reason but health care.

[Silver]

By the way did you know that every thirty seconds another bankruptcy is filed for medical reasons? Just saw it on the tube.

Its bullshit...but pinheads won't question it at all....its the Messiah speaking

http://www.openmarket.org/2009/02/25/obamas-bankruptcy-math-has-to-be-wrong/

[avatar4321]

As a person who pays for health insurance I hate it when I am told, that's not covered. You would think that for 982 a month everything would be covered.
So I can see why people are filing for bankruptcy for medical reasons. The nationalized healthcare should prevent the bankruptcy and people dieing for no reason but health care.

It's always someone elses responsibility. They are supposed to keep you alive. Heaven forbid you actually take care of yourself. Heaven forbid you eat right and exercise. Heaven forbid you actually *gasp* pay for doctors visits.

Learn some freaking first aid. Take some control over your life instead of sitting on your butt expecting someone else to. You dont want to pay for your own health care but you expect others to pay for your health care. Why should you be able to take money from others in order to benefit your own life? especially if you were just freaking responsible with your life, you wouldnt have to deal with it.

[Kathianne]

As a person who pays for health insurance I hate it when I am told, that's not covered. You would think that for 982 a month everything would be covered.
So I can see why people are filing for bankruptcy for medical reasons. The nationalized healthcare should prevent the bankruptcy and people dieing for no reason but health care.

Really, you are paying $1k a month. What is not covered? Is it at the rate or the whole claim?

Look, I'm not happy with my BC/BS from work. The deductible is now $1k and I pay nearly 200 a month. Seriously, I don't go to the doctor.

However, I do go to the 'preventative care deal' offered by my employer. BP, cholesterol, liver, kidney, heart, lungs at no cost to me. If something were seriously out of whack, I'd get my butt to the doc.

[April15]

Really, you are paying $1k a month. What is not covered? Is it at the rate or the whole claim?

Look, I'm not happy with my BC/BS from work. The deductible is now $1k and I pay nearly 200 a month. Seriously, I don't go to the doctor.

However, I do go to the 'preventative care deal' offered by my employer. BP, cholesterol, liver, kidney, heart, lungs at no cost to me. If something were seriously out of whack, I'd get my butt to the doc.That is just for me. My wife is another 982. Meds are covered to a point. If generic available that is what you get. Orthotics are 250 a whack.
People who can't afford the premium are denied some surgical procedures. I am not sure what they are I just hear people complaining in the lab waiting for blood tests.

[Kathianne]

April I'm assuming you are younger than myself. I got off blood pressure meds by exercise and diet, I will not return to them. My cholesterol levels are good, but if they turn out not so good, I will refuse meds.

I no longer do paps or mamograms.

Unlike my parents, I know that I cannot pay for long term care. No gov. program will change that. I will spare myself and my kids all that.

I go to the doc/dentist when in severe pain. That I will do. Advanced cancer, I want all the meds my insurance can throw at me. But it will be very advanced, as I have a very high pain threshold.

[April15]

April I'm assuming you are younger than myself. I got off blood pressure meds by exercise and diet, I will not return to them. My cholesterol levels are good, but if they turn out not so good, I will refuse meds.

I no longer do paps or mamograms.

Unlike my parents, I know that I cannot pay for long term care. No gov. program will change that. I will spare myself and my kids all that.

I go to the doc/dentist when in severe pain. That I will do. Advanced cancer, I want all the meds my insurance can throw at me. But it will be very advanced, as I have a very high pain threshold.I am 59.
Do not have blood pressure meds yet.

[Kathianne]

I am 59.
Do not have blood pressure meds yet.

Good for you. However you didn't address my point, people that stay 'alive' when they are no longer adding to the productivity of the country. As this country, the USA becomes more socialistic, which is the Obama plan, to do less than my plan, well it's unpatriotic.

In my case, because I seriously think it's wrong for future generations, I'm preempting and doing it early.

[April15]

Good for you. However you didn't address my point, people that stay 'alive' when they are no longer adding to the productivity of the country. As this country, the USA becomes more socialistic, which is the Obama plan, to do less than my plan, well it's unpatriotic.

In my case, because I seriously think it's wrong for future generations, I'm preempting and doing it early.Staying alive. Well with the pain my wife has and me with mine staying alive has serious setbacks. The pain has led to depression.
Now if a person has good health and the finances to retire let them. If not then why "keep" them alive. There is a native Indian saying , today is a good day to die.

[Kathianne]

Staying alive. Well with the pain my wife has and me with mine staying alive has serious setbacks. The pain has led to depression.
Now if a person has good health and the finances to retire let them. If not then why "keep" them alive. There is a native Indian saying , today is a good day to die.

Keeping in mind the game plan, you all should do the right thing. Only you know what that is, but since you are ready and able to tell others....

[Little-Acorn]

Do you think the Democrats will ever be held to account for spending most of their time trying to impose socialism on the country rather than dealing with the "crisis"?

[bullypulpit]

There is a crisis and Obama is exploiting it.

Hmmm...Just like Bush did. Only Obama is trying to clean up all the flaming bags of political and economic dog-shit left behind by BushCo instead of creating them.

[bullypulpit]

Do you think the Democrats will ever be held to account for spending most of their time trying to impose socialism on the country rather than dealing with the "crisis"?

So the "Red Menace" is all the GOP has left? Wow...how fifties.

[Kathianne]

Hmmm...Just like Bush did. Only Obama is trying to clean up all the flaming bags of political and economic dog-shit left behind by BushCo instead of creating them.

Once again wrong. He has managed in 8 weeks to create problems no other president before has. He's spending us into a banana republic. I wonder who will take out an equivalent to the 'Roosevelt Corollary to Monroe Doctrine' on us?

[Yurt]

As a person who pays for health insurance I hate it when I am told, that's not covered. You would think that for 982 a month everything would be covered.
So I can see why people are filing for bankruptcy for medical reasons. The nationalized healthcare should prevent the bankruptcy and people dieing for no reason but health care.

you would think that before you shell out 982 a month, you find out if your policy covers "everything"

[Yurt]

Once again wrong. He has managed in 8 weeks to create problems no other president before has. He's spending us into a banana republic. I wonder who will take out an equivalent to the 'Roosevelt Corollary to Monroe Doctrine' on us?

my favorite shorts came from there

[Kathianne]

my favorite shorts came from there

Mine, a khaki vest. ;)

[sgtdmski]

This from the same person who complained about the previous President using the same tactics to support the war on terrorism.

I guess just another lie from that smooth orator with the teleprompter.

dmk

[April15]

you would think that before you shell out 982 a month, you find out if your policy covers "everything"Ya know that is the funny thing about health insurance. When I was younger they did cover everything. But as I got older they kept changing the terms. I thought I would just change co's. Well everything that ever happened to me is a pre existing condition and not covered by any company but the one I was already with. That is the beauty of the current system. You pay in until you check out!

[Yurt]

Ya know that is the funny thing about health insurance. When I was younger they did cover everything. But as I got older they kept changing the terms. I thought I would just change co's. Well everything that ever happened to me is a pre existing condition and not covered by any company but the one I was already with. That is the beauty of the current system. You pay in until you check out!

i agree, health insurance sucks. my canadian wife reminds me of this almost everyday, especially as we are planning our first child. good lord, in her country we would be covered, here, nah, we have to make sure we can affored the child.

that said.

[Psychoblues]

I would have thought unjustified war and the killings of the unknowingly complicit American youth would have been explanation enough........... I thought the same in 1968. Wrong then, wrong now. When will we ever learn??!!?!!??!!?!?!?!?

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Psychoblues