Bush should be prosecuted for abuses of power

[Truth Squad]

Have to agree with Helen Thomas on this one. The Obama administration is too weak-kneed to prosecute GW Bush and cast of clowns of their obvious abuses of power while in office. It is a sad state of affairs.

[PostmodernProphet]

the Obama administration doesn't need to prosecute Bush for abuses of power.....they have Rush Limbaugh to push around now.....

[Truth Squad]

Rush Limbaugh? You mean the fat blowhard who can't get it up without illegal prescription drugs? Perhaps the GOP should have run him for president instead of John McCain.

[hjmick]

Helen Thomas is right. :lmao:

[Classact]

Have to agree with Helen Thomas on this one. The Obama administration is too weak-kneed to prosecute GW Bush and cast of clowns of their obvious abuses of power while in office. It is a sad state of affairs.Prosecute him for what? What are the obvious abuses of power? Perhaps we should impeach Obama for not focusing on Americas priorities?

[crin63]

Prosecute him for what? What are the obvious abuses of power? Perhaps we should impeach Obama for not focusing on Americas priorities?

It must have been the power to keep terrorists on the run for 7 years. I know that one pisses of the libs.

[PostmodernProphet]

Rush Limbaugh? You mean the fat blowhard who can't get it up without illegal prescription drugs? Perhaps the GOP should have run him for president instead of John McCain.

its a matter of pragmatics....don't you think fat blowhards would be an easier target than ex-presidents?.....of course, you always run the risk that the fat blowhards might challenge you to a debate.....one you know he'd win at, making you look worse than a fat blowhard.....

[avatar4321]

Have to agree with Helen Thomas on this one. The Obama administration is too weak-kneed to prosecute GW Bush and cast of clowns of their obvious abuses of power while in office. It is a sad state of affairs.

If they are so obvious, why can't you name any?

Feel free to prosecute all you want. You cant get convictions when nothing happened.

[Truth Squad]

Let's start with massive abuses of power. The bogus "Patriot Act" for one. Lying to Congress to get approval for his vendetta against Saddam Hussein. Lying the the American public untold times. General crimes against humanity.

[avatar4321]

Let's start with massive abuses of power. The bogus "Patriot Act" for one. Lying to Congress to get approval for his vendetta against Saddam Hussein. Lying the the American public untold times. General crimes against humanity.

Nothing bogus about the patriot act. It's a valid statute passed with bipartisan support in both chambers of Congress in order to help communication between government agencies and make it easier for the government gather information from suspected terrorists by giving the government similiar powers to what they already have in pursuing the mob.

You cant abuse power by following a law simply because you don't like it.

The President didn't lie to Congress. They saw the same exact information he did and passed an authorization for the use of force with bipartisan support. Its not an abuse of power to go to Congress and get war authorization. Especially when he didn't even have to. Congress had previously authorized the President to use force against any terrorist organization or nation that supported terrorism. If anything, the President made extra sure there was no abuse of power by returning to Congress for authorization when he didnt even need it.

Assuming you can prove that the President lied to the public, which is unlikely since no one has in the past 8 years, lying to the public isnt an abuse of power. If it was, President Obama has abused the power of the Presidency multiple times and does so daily. Should we prosecute Presient Obama? If we use your standard we should.

The rest of us, who understand what abuse of power is, realize that that idea is absurd.

Contrary to popular Democrat opinion, being a Republican is not a crime against humanity.

[Truth Squad]

Arguing with diehard Republicans is like mud wrestling with a pig. Pretty soon, you realize that the pig is enjoying it.
There is nothing I could ever say that would cause you to alter your preposterous thought patterns. You will never consider Bush's lies about WMDs and Iraq's "threat to humanity" were a total crock of manure. You will never accept that curtailing basic human rights to allegedly make the country safer also falls under the crap bucket.
GW Bush is a war criminal. He allowed his own country to be attacked to strengthen his hand and get rid of one of his enemies. He practiced hatred and bigotry on an entire sect of persons. He stole from the poor to give to the rich. His BS lines were furthered by his minions of TV and radio followers.
Supporting the Bush Republicans was an attack on American values. The U.S. military was once the world's finest fighting force. After eight years of Bush control, our military is now plagued by low morale, ignorant leadership, abuse and neglect of veterans and economic scandals. Our military is still willing to die for their country. Only now they are killing themselves rather than serve under ignorant and uncaring leadership.

[avatar4321]

Arguing with diehard Republicans is like mud wrestling with a pig. Pretty soon, you realize that the pig is enjoying it.
There is nothing I could ever say that would cause you to alter your preposterous thought patterns. You will never consider Bush's lies about WMDs and Iraq's "threat to humanity" were a total crock of manure. You will never accept that curtailing basic human rights to allegedly make the country safer also falls under the crap bucket.
GW Bush is a war criminal. He allowed his own country to be attacked to strengthen his hand and get rid of one of his enemies. He practiced hatred and bigotry on an entire sect of persons. He stole from the poor to give to the rich. His BS lines were furthered by his minions of TV and radio followers.
Supporting the Bush Republicans was an attack on American values. The U.S. military was once the world's finest fighting force. After eight years of Bush control, our military is now plagued by low morale, ignorant leadership, abuse and neglect of veterans and economic scandals. Our military is still willing to die for their country. Only now they are killing themselves rather than serve under ignorant and uncaring leadership.

No one lied about WMDs. Every freaking nation in the world, including Iraq itself openly stated that Saddam had them. Recieving bad intelligence reports and relying on them is not lying. This was a stupid argument for your side anyway. It always was. The smart argument would have been to say "Bush is incompetant because he lost the WMDs." But no you guys are going to proclaim everyone in the world was wrong but you. And Bush somehow knew everyone was wrong and lied.

What's funny about that is you consider yourself the intelligent one.

No one has lost any basic human rights in the past 8 years. Repeating it over and over is not going to make it suddenly true. I know you guys dont have anything more than that. But just because you believe your own nonsense, doesnt mean it convinces others just because you yell it again and again.

Exactly who has the President "practiced hatred and bigotry" against? When the heck has President Bush ever hated anyone? I would argue that any hatred the President has had is mild compared to the hate and bigotry you have.

Stole from the poor? By cutting taxes on everyone? You've got to be joking. Again the amazing thing here is that you think you are the intellectual thinking person here. The one who cant even form coherant arguments and is completely rambling nothing but hate and party line.

Finally, I hate to point out the obvious to you, but it seems you are a little confused. Barack Obama is President of the United States. No one in the American military is serving under President Bush anymore. If military personel are now killing themselves rather than serve under ignorant and uncaring leadership, it has absolutely nothing to do with President Bush because he isnt in charge anymore.

[Silver]

Let's start with massive abuses of power. The bogus "Patriot Act" for one. Lying to Congress to get approval for his vendetta against Saddam Hussein. Lying the the American public untold times. General crimes against humanity.

You mean like this ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnjcofMFHsA&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCVZlLBchVE&feature=PlayList&p=8EC21C44DBC538FA&index=37

[Silver]

ALL BEFORE BUSH !


"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

[April15]

Bush can not leave this country as he is wanted in most civilized nations for war crimes. I shall enjoy watching him hang!

[BoogyMan]

Have to agree with Helen Thomas on this one. The Obama administration is too weak-kneed to prosecute GW Bush and cast of clowns of their obvious abuses of power while in office. It is a sad state of affairs.

I think the more pressing issue would be stopping the rabid socialist sickness that is creeping across what once was America.

[Silver]

You bet April...
Maybe you can run the Koolade Refreshment Stand...and give out frozen didoes....:lol:

[BoogyMan]

You bet April...
Maybe you can run the Koolade Refreshment Stand...and give out frozen didoes....:lol:

Ouch!

[Kathianne]

Ouch!

Ya think?

http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2009/03/05/incompetence-malevolence-or-both-or-why-obamas-policies-are-pink-not-green-with-a-coda-on-my-new-favorite-section-of-the-us-constitution/


March 5th, 2009 7:49 am
Incompetence, malevolence, or both? or Why Obama’s policies are pink, not green (with a coda on my new favorite section of the U.S. Constitution)

...And here’s where we began talking about another possibility: that Team Obama was deliberately targeting the U.S. economy, deliberately impoverishing millions of Americans, deliberately angering our closest allies while [2] coddling dictators like Putin and his puppet Medvedev and [3] funneling millions to terrorist organizations like Hamas.

Maybe that young person the financial journalist Jim Cramer spoke to was right and “[4] We’ve elected elected a Leninist” whose “agenda is destroying the life savings of millions of Americans”?

The blogger Doug Ross at [5] directorblue (h/t [6] Instapundit) asks a disconcerting question that is on the lips of more and more people these days:

Is President Obama intentionally attempting to bring the stock market to its knees?

Well, is he? Mr. Ross asks us to “Consider that, in the teeth of a devastating recession, Obama has:”


• Raised taxes on small businesses, the engines of entrepreneurship and job growth

• Raised the capital gains tax

• Lied about “tax cuts for 95% of Americans,” offering instead $13 a week, achieved not through tax cuts, but by changing the federal withholding tables!

• Destroyed charitable giving by axing the tax breaks for 26% of all giving (or $81 billion in 2006)

• Proposed a carbon cap-and-trading scheme designed to punish oil [and coal] companies and further tax consumers

Why would Obama inflict these destructive policies while the economy is collapsing? Simple. Each step strengthens the role of government in people’s lives.

And here we have the ’enry ’iggins moment: “By George, I think he’s got it!” “Each step strengthens the role of government in people’s lives.” That’s exactly what Lenin sought to do. In a cheery volume called State and Revolution, for example, Lenin explains how:

And the dictatorship of the proletariat, i.e., the organization of the vanguard of the oppressed as the ruling class for the purpose of suppressing the oppressors, cannot result merely in an expansion of democracy. Simultaneously with an immense expansion of democracy, which for the first time becomes democracy for the poor, democracy for the people, and not democracy for the money-bags, the dictatorship of the proletariat imposes a series of restrictions on the freedom of the oppressors, the exploiters, the capitalists.

Lenin, too, wished to “spread the wealth around.” And Obama, like Lenin, has been perfectly frank in recommending that we need to go [7] beyond the “merely formal” rights enunciated in the Constitution in order to “bring about [8] redistributive change” in society....

[BoogyMan]

I am in whole hearted agreement with you Kathianne, the comment was just painful. :D

[avatar4321]

Bush can not leave this country as he is wanted in most civilized nations for war crimes. I shall enjoy watching him hang!

I dont think President Bush will have any problem going where he wants.

[Little-Acorn]

Sorry I haven't been in on this thread. Haven't had time to keep up with it.

The title mentions prosecuting Bush for unspecified "abuses of power". Have the Bush-haters actually come up with any specific ones yet? Or just the usual tired, long-debunked KarlRove/PatriotAct/WarCrimes/Halliburton/BushLied hysteria?

[crin63]

Sorry I haven't been in on this thread. Haven't had time to keep up with it.

The title mentions prosecuting Bush for unspecified "abuses of power". Have the Bush-haters actually come up with any specific ones yet? Or just the usual tired, long-debunked KarlRove/PatriotAct/WarCrimes/Halliburton/BushLied hysteria?

Its the same liberal insanity of Bush hatred syndrome.

[April15]

I dont think President Bush will have any problem going where he wants.We will SEE!

[Immanuel]

I despise the Patriot Act, wiretapping fiasco and torturing of prisoners, but I am very certain that the Obama administration will have absolutely nothing to do with persecuting President Bush for these issue, even if they thought they could achieve something out of it, because they have every intention of using those same provisions for their own benefit.

There will not be any prosecution in this case. I would, however, welcome a repeal of the Patriot Act, but won't be holding my breath for one.

Immie

[Classact]

Arguing with diehard Republicans is like mud wrestling with a pig. Pretty soon, you realize that the pig is enjoying it.
There is nothing I could ever say that would cause you to alter your preposterous thought patterns. You will never consider Bush's lies about WMDs and Iraq's "threat to humanity" were a total crock of manure. You will never accept that curtailing basic human rights to allegedly make the country safer also falls under the crap bucket.
GW Bush is a war criminal. He allowed his own country to be attacked to strengthen his hand and get rid of one of his enemies. He practiced hatred and bigotry on an entire sect of persons. He stole from the poor to give to the rich. His BS lines were furthered by his minions of TV and radio followers.
Supporting the Bush Republicans was an attack on American values. The U.S. military was once the world's finest fighting force. After eight years of Bush control, our military is now plagued by low morale, ignorant leadership, abuse and neglect of veterans and economic scandals. Our military is still willing to die for their country. Only now they are killing themselves rather than serve under ignorant and uncaring leadership.You have to be a 13 year old girl, probably blond, no offense blond girls... I think this is one of the stupidist posts I've ever read.

[sgtdmski]

Rush Limbaugh? You mean the fat blowhard who can't get it up without illegal prescription drugs? Perhaps the GOP should have run him for president instead of John McCain.

Yeah the same fat blowhard that the President told Republicans to quit listening to, the same one who challenged him to a debate, and the same one that the President remains hiding behind his weak lipped press secetary. Yeah that Rush Limbaugh.

Tell me, if he is nothing but a fat blowhard why is it that the President is so afraid of him? I mean if he is just a blowhard, the articulate one, the annointed one, the messiah should have no problem in debating him. Since his fellow party members wish to call Rush the defacto head of the GOP, should not the head of the Democratic Party want to debate him???

OH that's right, no teleprompters allowed in debates, no wonder Obama won't face him.

dmk

[sgtdmski]

Have to agree with Helen Thomas on this one. The Obama administration is too weak-kneed to prosecute GW Bush and cast of clowns of their obvious abuses of power while in office. It is a sad state of affairs.

You mean the same Helen Thomas that in 2009 was still not sure that the former members of al Qaeda and the Taliban were hiding in border towns in Pakistan to avoid being caught in Afghanistan.

Why is it that Democrats always want to see Republicans prosecuted for abuses of power during previous administartions? You disagreed with the policy and despite the help of the main stream media the majority of the American people agreed with the policies that helped prevent further terrorist attacks.

So now you want to prosecute. Well, I hope that the so-called Truth commission is prepared to ruin their own party, for if they prosecute Bush, they they too must prosecute Truman for dropping the bombs on Japan and killing all those civilians without cause, as well as Roosevelt, for carpet bombing Germany and killing all those innocent civilians, and not to mention Johnson for his bombing of Laos. And finally let us not forget John Kerry, the self-admitted war criminal.

Wow, the Democratic party, the party of war criminals.

dmk

[Silver]

We will SEE!

The point is...did you watch the video ?

Did you see and hear with your own eyes and ears what Democrats were saying about Saddam and WMD ? Even BEFORE Bush ever set foot in Washington?

Do you realize how utterly stupid your remarks were ???
This remark in particular.....
"Bush's lies about WMDs and Iraq's "threat to humanity" were a total crock of manure. "

[sgtdmski]

Let's start with massive abuses of power. The bogus "Patriot Act" for one. Lying to Congress to get approval for his vendetta against Saddam Hussein. Lying the the American public untold times. General crimes against humanity.

You mean the same one that the Democrats voted for, and then renewed. Shall we prosecute all them as well. I can hardly wait.

Shall we include Clinton, both Bill and Hill, Kerry, Gore, Reid, and all the other people that believed the Iraq had WMDs. They have been claiming Iraq had weapons back into the 90's so obviously they were lying a lot longer than Bush, hell, one could even argue that it was the former adminstration that lied to the new administration, thus the true criminals were the Clinton administration.

How many times did Clinton lie to the American public??? Hell how many times has Obama lied already. Sunshine laws for all legislation before he signs it, hell he has signed 3 bill without allowing the 5 day review by the public. He has appointed 18, at last count, former lobbyists to his administration although stating he would not. He said he would allow ear marks in his budgets, the current budget has 8000. For a man who has been in office for only 46 days 8021 lies is outrageous.

WOW he is on pace to out lie every politician in the history of the country.

dmk

[Immanuel]

You mean the same one that the Democrats voted for, and then renewed. Shall we prosecute all them as well[?]

Yes! Yes! Yes! A thousand times Yes!!!! :lol:

Immie

[sgtdmski]

No one lied about WMDs. Every freaking nation in the world, including Iraq itself openly stated that Saddam had them. Recieving bad intelligence reports and relying on them is not lying. This was a stupid argument for your side anyway. It always was. The smart argument would have been to say "Bush is incompetant because he lost the WMDs." But no you guys are going to proclaim everyone in the world was wrong but you. And Bush somehow knew everyone was wrong and lied.

What's funny about that is you consider yourself the intelligent one.

No one has lost any basic human rights in the past 8 years. Repeating it over and over is not going to make it suddenly true. I know you guys dont have anything more than that. But just because you believe your own nonsense, doesnt mean it convinces others just because you yell it again and again.

Exactly who has the President "practiced hatred and bigotry" against? When the heck has President Bush ever hated anyone? I would argue that any hatred the President has had is mild compared to the hate and bigotry you have.

Stole from the poor? By cutting taxes on everyone? You've got to be joking. Again the amazing thing here is that you think you are the intellectual thinking person here. The one who cant even form coherant arguments and is completely rambling nothing but hate and party line.

Finally, I hate to point out the obvious to you, but it seems you are a little confused. Barack Obama is President of the United States. No one in the American military is serving under President Bush anymore. If military personel are now killing themselves rather than serve under ignorant and uncaring leadership, it has absolutely nothing to do with President Bush because he isnt in charge anymore.

You forgot to mention the fact that he increased the Earned Income Tax Credit for children, actually doubling the amount of money they receive, which by the way will be eliminated in 2010 when the Bush Tax Cuts are eliminated, which means that their Golden Boy Obama will have actual cut the amount of money the poor receive. Wow taking money from the poor and returning it to the rich, Obama will actually be guilty of exactly that.

dmk

[manu1959]

Have to agree with Helen Thomas on this one. The Obama administration is too weak-kneed to prosecute GW Bush and cast of clowns of their obvious abuses of power while in office. It is a sad state of affairs.

what 3 things would you prosecute them for....

[CockySOB]

Let's start with massive abuses of power. The bogus "Patriot Act" for one. Lying to Congress to get approval for his vendetta against Saddam Hussein. Lying the the American public untold times. General crimes against humanity.

Odd, I could have sworn that Congress passed the Patriot Act via the normal legislative process.

"Lying?" You might want to make certain you have legal proof of such "lies" as well as proof of intent, before giving much thought to prosecuting such alleged "crimes."

Crimes against humanity? Name them, and be sure to cite the proper legal authority to which POTUS would be answerable to for each one.

[PostmodernProphet]

There is nothing I could ever say that would cause you to alter your preposterous thought patterns. .

there you are wrong....the truth always works....however, you seem to be unfamiliar with it's use.....

[avatar4321]

there you are wrong....the truth always works....however, you seem to be unfamiliar with it's use.....

Why should he care about the truth? Why should he hold himself up to the standards everyone else is held to? Why should he try to persuade anyone with actual facts? Everyone should believe what he says simply because he said it. It's what all these "intellectual" Democrats seem to believe.