How's That Obama Stimulus and Promise Of Change Doing? [Archive] - Debate Policy

red states rule

03-03-2009, 07:13 AM

remember when Bush took office and inherited a recession that didn't even show itself until after he had been inaugurated? We really need to let the ink dry on the stimulus package and wait until some of those bridges start getting built and the economic activity begins to be generated.

Oh, back to Pres Bush again. Seems libs always talk about the FORMER President when confronted with the great record the CURRENT President has so far

I do not remember Pres Bush submitting a $3.66 trillion budget with a $1.5 trillion deficit. Or taking away mortgage interest deductions and charitable contributions form those he consideres rich. Or wanting to soak the small minority who are paying the majority of the taxes for even more of their money. Or wanting a long list of tax cheats to work for him.

Need I go on?

moderate democrat

03-03-2009, 07:15 AM

Oh, back to Pres Bush again. Seems libs always talk about the FORMER President when confronted with the great record the CURRENT President has so far

I do not remember Pres Bush submitting a $3.66 trillion budget with a $1.5 trillion deficit. Or taking away mortgage interest deductions and charitable contributions form those he consideres rich. Or wanting to soak the small minority who are paying the majority of the taxes for even more of their money. Or wanting a long list of tax cheats to work for him.

Need I go on?

like I said... we need to wait until the stimulus package actually creates jobs and economic activity before we can judge its effectiveness.

If you are baking a cake, you don't judge the cake while it is still room temperature batter.:lol:

red states rule

03-03-2009, 07:18 AM

like I said... we need to wait until the stimulus package actually creates jobs and economic activity before we can judge its effectiveness.

If you are baking a cake, you don't judge the cake while it is still room temperature batter.:lol:

And this is why Obama must fail. His policies are causing this and must be stopped

Liberals don't care about that. Their guy is in office and that is all that matters.

Investors and companies know this guy has them on his hit list, and they ared oing the only thing they can do - sell and lay off workers

moderate democrat

03-03-2009, 07:21 AM

And this is why Obama must fail. His policies are causing this and must be stopped

Liberals don't care about that. Their guy is in office and that is all that matters.

Investors and companies know this guy has them on his hit list, and they ared oing the only thing they can do - sell and lay off workers

so you would rather see the American economy sink into a terrible depression if if meant improving the public's opinion of the republican party?

that is not surprising.

red states rule

03-03-2009, 07:22 AM

so you would rather see the American economy sink into a terrible depression if if meant improving the public's opinion of the republican party?

that is not surprising.

Eh, we are sinking in that direction because of Obama's policies. Is that going to be your game plan - blame others for Obama's failed economic policies?

Why not>?You guys did that with Carter's policies and Clinton's corruption

moderate democrat

03-03-2009, 07:25 AM

Eh, we are sinking in that direction because of Obama's policies. Is that going to be your game plan - blame others for Obama's failed economic policies?

Why not>?You guys did that with Carter's policies and Clinton's corruption

and YOU want the stimulus plan to fail...you do NOT want to see the economy revived. party over country for you...all the time.

red states rule

03-03-2009, 07:29 AM

and YOU want the stimulus plan to fail...you do NOT want to see the economy revived. party over country for you...all the time.

I want Obama's tax, spend, and socialist policies to fail. Why whould anyone want to support the massive spending, huge deficits, big tax increases, expanding the welfare state, and political payoffs - unless they were puting party over country

YOU can see the results of Obama's polices and how those who move America are judging them - if you would take the Obama provided blinders off

moderate democrat

03-03-2009, 07:33 AM

I want Obama's tax, spend, and socialist policies to fail. Why whould anyone want to support the massive spending, huge deficits, big tax increases, expanding the welfare state, and political payoffs - unless they were puting party over country

YOU can see the results of Obama's polices and how those who move America are judging them - if you would take the Obama provided blinders off

the stimulus package is law. either you want it to succeed and stimulate the economy, or you want it to fail and watch the economy fail. Clearly, you chose the latter. party over country - pure and simple.

red states rule

03-03-2009, 07:36 AM

the stimulus package is law. either you want it to succeed and stimulate the economy, or you want it to fail and watch the economy fail. Clearly, you chose the latter. party over country - pure and simple.

So now I have to hope socialism works even though it has failed everywhere it has been tried?

Looks to me like Obama's plan for U.S. economic decline and misery is going very well indeed. Stalin would be very proud of his student.

What has he proposed or done that will increase private investment, which will spur job creation?

He hasn’t, which is the reason the market is tanking

PostmodernProphet

03-03-2009, 07:40 AM

and YOU want the stimulus plan to fail... .

of course we do....anyone with a brain knows this idiotic bill isn't going to stimulate anything, it's only going to destroy the economy for generations to come.....unfortunately, the folks in charge of the government at the moment don't HAVE a brain.........what I want is for the country to survive it's current leadership.....

moderate democrat

03-03-2009, 07:40 AM

So now I have to hope socialism works even though it has failed everywhere it has been tried?

Looks to me like Obama's plan for U.S. economic decline and misery is going very well indeed. Stalin would be very proud of his student.

What has he proposed or done that will increase private investment, which will spur job creation?

He hasn’t, which is the reason the market is tanking

the country is in a crisis. we elected a leader. he is trying to save the economy. you want him to fail. that's party over country...there is no other way to spin that.

red states rule

03-03-2009, 07:43 AM

the country is in a crisis. we elected a leader. he is trying to save the economy. you want him to fail. that's party over country...there is no other way to spin that.

No, libs elected a messiah - the rest of us are still looking for a leader

Here is the "change" we can believe in

NEW YORK (AP) -- The Dow Jones industrial average has plunged below 7,000 as investors grow increasingly pessimistic about the health of banks, and in turn the economy, around the world. The Dow hadn't traded below 7,000 since Oct. 28, 1997, and last closed below that mark on May 2 of that year. The credit crisis and recession have now slashed half the average's value since it hit a record high over 14,000 in October 2007.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/090302/wall_street.html

PostmodernProphet

03-03-2009, 07:44 AM

the country is in a crisis. we elected a leader. he is trying to save the economy. you want him to fail. that's party over country...there is no other way to spin that.

look Democrat.....Obama was elected.....he has put together a plan that will not stimulate anything other than the rise of socialism.....it is intentional on his part....I want him to fail in converting this country to socialism......I want him to fail with all my heart......that isn't party over country....that's intelligence over idiocy.......the only spin being done here is the claim that this overbloated earmark laden pile of shit is a stimulus......

moderate democrat

03-03-2009, 07:51 AM

look Democrat.....Obama was elected.....he has put together a plan that will not stimulate anything other than the rise of socialism.....it is intentional on his part....I want him to fail in converting this country to socialism......I want him to fail with all my heart......that isn't party over country....that's intelligence over idiocy.......the only spin being done here is the claim that this overbloated earmark laden pile of shit is a stimulus......

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree... I think you are a partisan hack who wants our nation to suffer for your own improved partisan political advantage.

red states rule

03-03-2009, 07:56 AM

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree... I think you are a partisan hack who wants our nation to suffer for your own improved partisan political advantage.

Pot meet Kettle

So now we can't hope for socialim to fail? We have to hope Oabma succeeds in moving the country to the far left, and support crippling taxes and government control of private indusrty?

red states rule

03-03-2009, 10:33 AM

Obama Lied and Wall Street Died

1. Make Government Open and Transparent
2. Make it “Impossible” for Congressmen to slip in Pork Barrel Projects
3. Meetings where laws are written will be more open to the public
4. No more secrecy
5. Public will have 5 days to look at a Bill
7. We will put every pork barrel project online

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PostmodernProphet

03-03-2009, 10:43 AM

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree... .

no we don't....why should I have to give you equal standing with smart people?......another liberal fallacy....you think your ideas are as good as anyone else's, even when they suck......all opinions are NOT created equal.......

Yurt

03-03-2009, 12:53 PM

Pot meet Kettle

So now we can't hope for socialim to fail? We have to hope Oabma succeeds in moving the country to the far left, and support crippling taxes and government control of private indusrty?

he is intellectually dishonest...he whines about people telling him he wanted the US to fail in iraq because he did not support iraq, now he uses the same exact argument to tell people who don't believe in obama's bailouts that they want the US to fail.

moderate democrat

03-03-2009, 12:54 PM

no we don't....why should I have to give you equal standing with smart people?......another liberal fallacy....you think your ideas are as good as anyone else's, even when they suck......all opinions are NOT created equal.......

I never said you had to value my opinion as much as you value yours. I only said that you need to grant me the right to hold that opinion and respectfully agree to disagree with it if you like.

Lizabeth

03-03-2009, 02:21 PM

I don't think you want to face the facts...we are in a depression already and the stimulus package has just made it worse in less than 30 days in office. Can't fathom what the remainder of his first 100 days in office will bestow but it sure looks bleak to me.

Sitarro

03-03-2009, 02:38 PM

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree... I think you are a partisan hack who wants our nation to suffer for your own improved partisan political advantage.

The broken record posts are identical to the bullshit MFM pulled constantly. You are him, you idolize him or you are his gay lover......... which is it?

moderate democrat

03-03-2009, 02:50 PM

The broken record posts are identical to the bullshit MFM pulled constantly. You are him, you idolize him or you are his gay lover......... which is it?

neither. I have never met the man, I am not the man, and I am not gay. WHy are YOU so obsessed with who you think I AM and so afraid to simply discuss the issues? I find THAT kinda gay, if you ask me.:lol:

moderate democrat

03-03-2009, 02:51 PM

Yurt

03-03-2009, 02:58 PM

The broken record posts are identical to the bullshit MFM pulled constantly. You are him, you idolize him or you are his gay lover......... which is it?

the whiner complains about people mentioning his id, yet he is purposefully dropping hints by saying things that only mfm knows or would say. he is a disgusting person that does not desire to simply come here and debate policy, he is here to start trouble and nothing more.

Lizabeth

03-03-2009, 02:59 PM

the stimulus package has not even had a chance to stimulate anything yet. Keep your knickers on.

I don't believe we can afford that luxury. 2700 pts is way too much blind optomistic speculation.

Also why would I be taking off my pants/knickers anyway?

moderate democrat

03-03-2009, 03:03 PM

I don't believe we can afford that luxury. 2700 pts is way too much blind optomistic speculation.

Also why would I be taking off my pants/knickers anyway?

you don't have a choice. we will afford it...it will happen...you can either hope that America is aided by this stimulus package and thus is able to weather this economic crisis, or you can hope that America fails. YOur choice and obviously you have made it.

the comment about knickers was an idiomatic expression. I assumed you knew it. silly me.

http://www.idiomcenter.com/dictionary/keep-your-pants-on

PostmodernProphet

03-03-2009, 03:13 PM

I never said you had to value my opinion as much as you value yours. I only said that you need to grant me the right to hold that opinion and respectfully agree to disagree with it if you like.

again, no I don't.....I think I have an obligation to point out where you are wrong, both for your own sake and for the sake of impressionable readers....I would hate for them to think I afforded your opinions with any degree of credibility......why do I have to do it respectfully......if someone comes along and tries to argue the sky is green I don't give them respect......the same is true for someone who tries to tell me that wanting Obama to fail equals wanting the US economy to fail.....either you are very dumb or very dishonest.....

moderate democrat

03-03-2009, 03:20 PM

again, no I don't.....I think I have an obligation to point out where you are wrong, both for your own sake and for the sake of impressionable readers....I would hate for them to think I afforded your opinions with any degree of credibility......why do I have to do it respectfully......if someone comes along and tries to argue the sky is green I don't give them respect......the same is true for someone who tries to tell me that wanting Obama to fail equals wanting the US economy to fail.....either you are very dumb or very dishonest.....

the stimulus package espoused by Obama is law. It WILL be put into effect. You can ask Professor Whoopee to let you jump into the Wayback machine and go undo its passage. Either it will stimulate the economy or it will not. If it does not succeed in stimulating the economy, then, clearly, the added debt in a crippled unresponsive economy will cause that economy to fail. If you want Obama to fail, you want his stimulus package to fail. IF you want his stimulus package to fail...well...you know the rest.

MtnBiker

03-03-2009, 03:25 PM

The Spending Bill is not going to improve the economy, Obama has already said as much. To paraphrase he said things are going to become worse before they become better and it could take years. To hope in a government spending bill to improve the economy is folly. One does not need to hope if the bill suceeds or fails but to hope that it does as little damage as possible. And that the real thing that will improve the economy will continue to function, that is American entrepreneurism and capitalism.

red states rule

03-04-2009, 06:25 AM

the stimulus package has not even had a chance to stimulate anything yet. Keep your knickers on.

The spending from the mega pork bill will not start until right before the 2010 midterms

It has stimulated the Obamabots and his friends in the liberal media into a frenzy

However, future indicators of the economy are heading south.

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 07:15 AM

The spending from the mega pork bill will not start until right before the 2010 midterms

It has stimulated the Obamabots and his friends in the liberal media into a frenzy

However, future indicators of the economy are heading south.

that is incorrect. a good deal of transportation progam funding is headed out the door already.

red states rule

03-04-2009, 07:25 AM

that is incorrect. a good deal of transportation progam funding is headed out the door already.

Sorry VMD, the facts are against you

Almost Half the Spending in Stimulus Bill Would Not Happen for at Least Two Years, Says CBO Analysis
Thursday, January 29, 2009
By Matt Cover

(CNSNews.com) – Although the argument for quickly passing the $800-billion-plus stimulus bill now before Congress is that pumping money into the economy immediately will spur economic growth and create jobs, almost half of the new spending—as opposed to tax cuts—being proposed in the bill would not be spent until at least two years from now, according to an analysis published by the Congressional Budget Office.

The tax cut provisions in the bill would take effect more quickly, according to the report, which was initially published Monday and has been updated during the week.

According to the CBO analysis, timely spending of the money will be hampered by bureaucratic delays and the inability of state and federal agencies to efficiently and effectively spend the massive inflows of new money.

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/Content/Article.aspx?rsrcid=42725

PostmodernProphet

03-04-2009, 07:27 AM

Either it will stimulate the economy or it will not. If it does not succeed in stimulating the economy, then, clearly, the added debt in a crippled unresponsive economy will cause that economy to fail.

and you are prepared to take that risk?......and you think its US that want the economy to fail?.......

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 07:30 AM

and you are prepared to take that risk?......and you think its US that want the economy to fail?.......

I AM prepared to take that risk because I happen to honestly believe that the risks associated with doing nothing are infinitely greater. I want our economy to succeed and I believe that taking steps to stimulate the economy is a viable way to accomplish that.

and yes...I think that Rush and Delay and many other prominent republicans are on record as wanting this stimulus package to fail in its effort to fix our economy.

red states rule

03-04-2009, 07:33 AM

I AM prepared to take that risk because I happen to honestly believe that the risks associated with doing nothing are infinitely greater. I want our economy to succeed and I believe that taking steps to stimulate the economy is a viable way to accomplish that.

and yes...I think that Rush and Delay and many other prominent republicans are on record as wanting this stimulus package to fail in its effort to fix our economy.

So please explain how $1.5 trillion deficits, higher taxes where people are paying more then 50% of their income to the government; massive increases in goverment spending; government run healthcare; and cap and trade will have a POSITIVE EFFECT on the economy

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 07:35 AM

So please explain how $1.5 trillion deficits, higher taxes where people are paying more then 50% of their income to the government; massive increases in goverment spending; government run healthcare; and cap and trade will have a POSITIVE EFFECT on the economy
by stimulating economic activity. a rising tide lifts all boats.

red states rule

03-04-2009, 07:38 AM

by stimulating economic activity. a rising tide lifts all boats.

So will higher taxes, increasing the deficit by a factor of three, government run healthcare, and cap and trade will have a POSITIVE EFFECT on the economy

If all you have are bumber sticker slogans please so say now

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 07:40 AM

If all you have are bumber sticker slogans please so say now

ROFLMFAO!!!!!! This, from the KING of talking points!!!! Oh, that is rich!!!

I think increased economic activity will solve lots of problems...that is hardly a "bumber" sticker slogan. It is my heartfelt belief.

red states rule

03-04-2009, 07:41 AM

ROFLMFAO!!!!!! This, from the KING of talking points!!!! Oh, that is rich!!!

I think increased economic activity will solve lots of problems...that is hardly a "bumber" sticker slogan. It is my heartfelt belief.

Like Obama, you have shown everyone your "shitload" of economic experience

Thanks for the economics lesson VMD

red states rule

03-04-2009, 07:42 AM

Sorry VMD, the facts are against you

Almost Half the Spending in Stimulus Bill Would Not Happen for at Least Two Years, Says CBO Analysis
Thursday, January 29, 2009
By Matt Cover

(CNSNews.com) – Although the argument for quickly passing the $800-billion-plus stimulus bill now before Congress is that pumping money into the economy immediately will spur economic growth and create jobs, almost half of the new spending—as opposed to tax cuts—being proposed in the bill would not be spent until at least two years from now, according to an analysis published by the Congressional Budget Office.

The tax cut provisions in the bill would take effect more quickly, according to the report, which was initially published Monday and has been updated during the week.

According to the CBO analysis, timely spending of the money will be hampered by bureaucratic delays and the inability of state and federal agencies to efficiently and effectively spend the massive inflows of new money.

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/Content/Article.aspx?rsrcid=42725

I guess VMD does not have an answer for this as well

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 07:45 AM

the fact that we cannot spend it all in one wild night on shore leave does not mean that it will not be effective in stimulating the economy.

red states rule

03-04-2009, 07:49 AM

the fact that we cannot spend it all in one wild night on shore leave does not mean that it will not be effective in stimulating the economy.

The fact the mega pork is BACK LOADED just in time for the 2010 midterms is proof you lied when you said a good deal of transportation progam funding is headed out the door already.

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 07:50 AM

The fact the mega pork is BACK LOADED just in time for the 2010 midterms is proof you lied when you said a good deal of transportation progam funding is headed out the door already.

I didn't lie...a good deal of transportation program funding IS headed out the door already. Republican Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said so just yesterday.

red states rule

03-04-2009, 07:53 AM

I didn't lie...a good deal of transportation program funding IS headed out the door already. Republican Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said so just yesterday.

and most of those projects will start NEXT YEAR

Meanwhile the Wizard of Wall St - Lord Obama - tells people not to worry about the Dow and buy stocks :laugh2:

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 07:56 AM

and most of those projects will start NEXT YEAR

Meanwhile the Wizard of Wall St - Lord Obama - tells people not to worry about the Dow and buy stocks :laugh2:

the point is: I was NOT lying. The Secretary of Transportation proved ME right....or is republican LaHood LYING?:poke:

red states rule

03-04-2009, 07:59 AM

the point is: I was NOT lying. The Secretary of Transportation proved ME right....or is republican LaHood LYING?:poke:

Yea, we stimultae the economy now by spending the prok next year

Another example of your "shitload" of economic experience you learned from Obama

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 08:02 AM

Yea, we stimultae the economy now by spending the prok next year

Another example of your "shitload" of economic experience you learned from Obama

we stimulate the economy with many ready to go transportation projects and jumpstart the planning for many others which can quickly follow them down the pipeline... all the way to election day 2010!

The fact is: you were wrong. LaHood said exactly what I said... YOU are the liar, not me. deal with it.

PostmodernProphet

03-04-2009, 08:03 AM

I AM prepared to take that risk because I happen to honestly believe that the risks associated with doing nothing are infinitely greater. I want our economy to succeed and I believe that taking steps to stimulate the economy is a viable way to accomplish that.

and yes...I think that Rush and Delay and many other prominent republicans are on record as wanting this stimulus package to fail in its effort to fix our economy.

first of all there are more alternatives than 1) doing nothing and 2) doing something stupid....perhaps your inability to see that there are more alternatives explains why you keep up this fallacy about Republicans wanting the economy to fail......

red states rule

03-04-2009, 08:10 AM

we stimulate the economy with many ready to go transportation projects and jumpstart the planning for many others which can quickly follow them down the pipeline... all the way to election day 2010!

The fact is: you were wrong. LaHood said exactly what I said... YOU are the liar, not me. deal with it.

If those jobs are created they better hpe the go to Americans, and not illegals - even they do coat the taxpayer $230,000/per job

Reid and pelosi pulled the E-Verify provision out of the mega pork bill

Meanwhile, companies are laying off, the Dow is sinking, consumer confidence at all time lows, and unemeployment will continue to rise

Hope all those Obama voters are lovin' the change

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 08:24 AM

If those jobs are created they better hpe the go to Americans, and not illegals - even they do coat the taxpayer $230,000/per job

Reid and pelosi pulled the E-Verify provision out of the mega pork bill

Meanwhile, companies are laying off, the Dow is sinking, consumer confidence at all time lows, and unemeployment will continue to rise

Hope all those Obama voters are lovin' the change

I am certainly lovin' the change from Bush. Clearly, a large chunk of America feels exactly the same way!

It will take Obama a bit more than six weeks to fix the problems left over from eight years of a terrible Bush administration.

red states rule

03-04-2009, 08:34 AM

I am certainly lovin' the change from Bush. Clearly, a large chunk of America feels exactly the same way!

It will take Obama a bit more than six weeks to fix the problems left over from eight years of a terrible Bush administration.

Lets look at the chnage Obama promised and then broke

Obama Lied and Wall Street Died

1. Make Government Open and Transparent

2. Make it “Impossible” for Congressmen to slip in Pork Barrel Projects

3. Meetings where laws are written will be more open to the public

4. No more secrecy

5. Public will have 5 days to look at a Bill

7. We will put every pork barrel project online

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 08:43 AM

much like I decided to give George Bush a chance when HE was elected.... much like I fully supported his post 9/11 military endeavors right up until the day he invaded Iraq, I will support Barack Obama and hope that his economic efforts succeed in helping our country.

It's too bad you cannot act in a similar fashion.

red states rule

03-04-2009, 08:45 AM

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 08:48 AM

Maybe you love and admore socialism - I do not

and I see you gave Oabma a pass on those broken promises

I don't ADMORE anything...

and I don't give anyone a pass on anything. I do, however, put things in perspective and examine the entirety of a man and his administration.

red states rule

03-04-2009, 08:51 AM

I don't ADMORE anything...

and I don't give anyone a pass on anything. I do, however, put things in perspective and examine the entirety of a man and his administration.

Yep, you put things in perspective and examine the entirety of a man and his administration

1) Is the man a Democrat - issue pass

2) Is the man a Republican - ATTACK

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 09:05 AM

Yep, you put things in perspective and examine the entirety of a man and his administration

1) Is the man a Democrat - issue pass

2) Is the man a Republican - ATTACK

that's not true. As I said before, I was FULLY supportive of President Bush, despite his political affiliation, all the way from the day he was inaugurated until the day he invaded Iraq. You have NEVER given your president any support.

red states rule

03-04-2009, 09:12 AM

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 09:33 AM

Given your LOOOOONG history of say "emblishments" I find that very hard to believe

my history on here started in December. I have always said that I was supportive of Bush up until he invaded Iraq. You, on the other hand, have NEVER supported your president. Party over country for you....all the way.

PostmodernProphet

03-04-2009, 09:54 AM

much like I fully supported his post 9/11 military endeavors right up until the day he invaded Iraq

so you admit that you stopped supporting Bush when he did something you thought was bad for the country......same/same, then.....

PostmodernProphet

03-04-2009, 09:55 AM

the problems left over from eight years of a terrible Bush administration.

none of which hold a candle to the problems the Democrats have created in the last 90 days.....

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 10:39 AM

none of which hold a candle to the problems the Democrats have created in the last 90 days.....

call the waaaaambulance. You do not even give this stimulus package a chance to work. Your desire for Obama's failure is really sickening.

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 10:41 AM

so you admit that you stopped supporting Bush when he did something you thought was bad for the country......same/same, then.....

at least, in my case, I DID support my president for a time. YOU have NEVER supported Obama since even before he was inaugurated. not the same.

Yurt

03-04-2009, 12:19 PM

that's not true. As I said before, I was FULLY supportive of President Bush, despite his political affiliation, all the way from the day he was inaugurated until the day he invaded Iraq. You have NEVER given your president any support.

more blatent hypocrisy by you...you didn't even give iraq one day before you deemed it a failure and you would not support it even one day and yet you criticize others for not supporting obama's plan even one day. hypocrite.

PostmodernProphet

03-04-2009, 01:49 PM

call the waaaaambulance. You do not even give this stimulus package a chance to work. Your desire for Obama's failure is really sickening.

you have admitted yourself that if it fails the economy is a loss.....and with the wasteful spending it consists off there is no doubt it will fail....why would I want to give failure time to work....the only people who think this is going to work are the ones who cannot admit that Obama has missed the mark.....

PostmodernProphet

03-04-2009, 01:51 PM

at least, in my case, I DID support my president for a time. YOU have NEVER supported Obama since even before he was inaugurated. not the same.

it's not my fault he did something stupid before he was even inaugurated.....

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 02:08 PM

you have admitted yourself that if it fails the economy is a loss.....and with the wasteful spending it consists off there is no doubt it will fail....why would I want to give failure time to work....the only people who think this is going to work are the ones who cannot admit that Obama has missed the mark.....

you opinion is not fact.
sorry.

glockmail

03-04-2009, 02:57 PM

at least, in my case, I DID support my president for a time. YOU have NEVER supported Obama since even before he was inaugurated. not the same.
Why would any red-blooded American support a Marxist? That's dumb.

By the way, with unemployment now so high I decided to help out and hire a "personal consultant". Her name is Rachael and she used to live with her alcoholic husband somewhere in some po-dunk northeast state. She provides great service to me, as well as any of my male friends that come for a visit. Although not much to look at, she makes them come quite often, actually.

jimnyc

03-04-2009, 03:27 PM

By the way, with unemployment now so high I decided to help out and hire a "personal consultant". Her name is Rachael and she used to live with her alcoholic husband somewhere in some po-dunk northeast state. She provides great service to me, as well as any of my male friends that come for a visit. Although not much to look at, she makes them come quite often, actually.

I told you this wasn't happening here anymore. See you in a week.

PostmodernProphet

03-04-2009, 08:39 PM

you opinion is not fact.
sorry.

and this differs from your opinions regarding the Iraq war how?......

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 08:43 PM

and this differs from your opinions regarding the Iraq war how?......

not a bit. and I never claimed my opinions on the Iraq war were anything other than my opinion.

PostmodernProphet

03-04-2009, 08:49 PM

not a bit. and I never claimed my opinions on the Iraq war were anything other than my opinion.

so then, you acknowledge that our objections against Obama are no different from your objections against Bush and that therefore this "you want the economy to fail" bullshit is nothing but your hypocrisy.....

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 08:53 PM

so then, you acknowledge that our objections against Obama are no different from your objections against Bush and that therefore this "you want the economy to fail" bullshit is nothing but your hypocrisy.....

I never wanted Bush or the US military to fail in Iraq. I disagreed with the policy of invading Iraq and I wanted to see the policy changed and the troops brought home. i NEVER wanted to see our troops lose a battle or for the US military to do anything other than succeed in every mission.

That is the big difference between us.

red states rule

03-04-2009, 09:43 PM

I never wanted Bush or the US military to fail in Iraq. I disagreed with the policy of invading Iraq and I wanted to see the policy changed and the troops brought home. i NEVER wanted to see our troops lose a battle or for the US military to do anything other than succeed in every mission.

That is the big difference between us.

It is not so different

Libs supported the troops but not their goals

Conservatives support Obama, but not his goals

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 09:48 PM

It is not so different

Libs supported the troops but not their goals

Conservatives support Obama, but not his goals

totally different.

I NEVER wanted our military to fail in their efforts in Iraq.

YOU want Obama to fail in his efforts to stimulate the economy.

red states rule

03-04-2009, 09:53 PM

totally different.

I NEVER wanted our military to fail in their efforts in Iraq.

YOU want Obama to fail in his efforts to stimulate the economy.

They are the same

Your problem is, you can't (or won't admit) your party spent years smearing and undermining the troops

Right now, Obama's policies are maiking the economic situation much worse. Yet you demand all dissent to cease, and everyone support policies that are know failures

Obama is doing the very things he, and the Dem party, complained about for years

Reckless spending, and massive deficits. Your party is well on their way to doubling the national debt in 30 days, then what Pres Bush did in 8 years

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 09:56 PM

They are the same

Your problem is, you can't (or won't admit) your party spent years smearing and undermining the troops

Right now, Obama's policies are maiking the economic situation much worse. Yet you demand all dissent to cease, and everyone support policies that are know failures

Obama is doing the very things he, and the Dem party, complained about for years

Reckless spending, and massive deficits. Your party is well on their way to doubling the national debt in 30 days, then what Pres Bush did in 8 years

no...you saying they are the same does not make them so. I NEVER wanted out military to fail in its mission in Iraq. YOU want the president to fail in his mission to stimulate the economy.

And you are a LIAR when you say that I demand all dissent cease. I have ZERO problem with dissent. I merely correctly characterize your dissenting wish that America's economy fail as unpatriotic.

Yurt

03-04-2009, 09:57 PM

so then, you acknowledge that our objections against Obama are no different from your objections against Bush and that therefore this "you want the economy to fail" bullshit is nothing but your hypocrisy.....

nice

his hypocrisy has been blatently pionted out now about a half a dozen times, by me, you and others. there is no talking to this raging lunatic who lies repeatedly and will never admit he is wrong. he is a partisan hack.

red states rule

03-04-2009, 10:21 PM

Yurt

03-04-2009, 10:27 PM

Obama is not providing any stimulus, and seems to be at war with the US economy. He is constantly attacking oil companies, drug companies, insurance companies, etc.

Obama seems determined to kill the market, and that is foing great harm to millions of Americans who have 401Ks

i honestly believe he wants our economy to suffer further harm. the more harm we suffer, the more he believes people are willing to give up freedoms/money to the government in order for the government to protect them. when the economy is good, not even 10% of obama's ideas could get through. but give the people a bad economy and they will continue to fork over dollars and freedoms so that obama will save them. even clinton had to get rid of the welfare debacle, but now, the economy keeps going down and people now want it back.

it is in obama's interest to see the us economy suffer.

red states rule

03-04-2009, 10:31 PM

i honestly believe he wants our economy to suffer further harm. the more harm we suffer, the more he believes people are willing to give up freedoms/money to the government in order for the government to protect them. when the economy is good, not even 10% of obama's ideas could get through. but give the people a bad economy and they will continue to fork over dollars and freedoms so that obama will save them. even clinton had to get rid of the welfare debacle, but now, the economy keeps going down and people now want it back.

it is in obama's interest to see the us economy suffer.

Remember when Dick Gephardt said the Democrats could gain one seat for every 100 point drop in the Dow?

Libs love it when people are miserable - the more the better. They can then expand government control and expand and add more government programs

(sarcasm on) Can't wait for the nanny state democrat government to give me a job and start paying for my assigned government apartment which includes free power, water and trash pickup.

The real treat will be my government health care all paid for by government. Man will I be living high on the hog. Much better than I could do on my own in a free market. (sarcasm off)

Silver

03-04-2009, 10:39 PM

no...you saying they are the same does not make them so. I NEVER wanted out military to fail in its mission in Iraq. YOU want the president to fail in his mission to stimulate the economy.

And you are a LIAR when you say that I demand all dissent cease. I have ZERO problem with dissent. I merely correctly characterize your dissenting wish that America's economy fail as unpatriotic.

Never wanted them to fail.....bullshit....

You never wanted them to succeed....because then Bush would be perceived to 'succeed'.....and HE DID, in spite of Democrats and their hypocritical denials of what they meant and said in public since 1996.....

Maybe seeing is believing .....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnjcofMFHsA&NR=1

red states rule

03-04-2009, 10:41 PM

Never wanted them to fail.....bullshit....

You never wanted them to succeed....because then Bush would be perceived to 'succeed'.....and HE DID, in spite of Democrats and their hypocritical denials of what they meant and said in public since 1996.....

Maybe seeing is believing .....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnjcofMFHsA&NR=1

and this one

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Silver

03-04-2009, 10:44 PM

totally different.

I NEVER wanted our military to fail in their efforts in Iraq.

YOU want Obama to fail in his efforts to stimulate the economy.

YOU want Obama to fail in his efforts to stimulate the economy.

Not true...and not what Limbaugh said when you take his words in the context they were used....
and only a narrow-minded hack would deny it....

I realize its just about impossible to imagine a pinhead liberal will look at an issue fairly and with an open mind...but here goes anyway....

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...113.guest.html

Rush Limbaugh:

"They didn't give Bush a chance in 2000. Before he was inaugurated the search-and-destroy mission had begun. I'm not talking about search-and-destroy, but I've been listening to Barack Obama for a year-and-a-half.

I know what his politics are. I know what his plans are, as he has stated them. I don't want them to succeed.
Why in the world do we want to saddle them with more liberalism and socialism? Why would I want to do that? So I can answer it, four words, "I hope he fails." "
===============

Context is everything....Rush plainly states.....
the subjects are "Obama's plans, Obama's politics, liberalism and socialism...

In THESE he hopes Obama fails......

bullypulpit

03-04-2009, 10:49 PM

red states rule

03-04-2009, 10:51 PM

Ya know, listening to the GOP and its red-meat right wing-nut supporters bitch about the stimulus plan Obama signed into law last week is alot like listening to the geese that hit the United Airlines jet bitch about the evacuation plan for the plane's passengers.

What stimulus BP?

Millions of retirement accounts are going up in smoke while the masses who voted for Obama continue to cheer him on. "More Mr President...more!"

Meanwhile from Obama's Chief of Shaft (who mailes dead fish to his political opponents) "{You never want a serious crisis to go to waste, and what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you didn't think you could do before"

Silver

03-04-2009, 10:51 PM

Oh bully.... wow....just....WOW! what wit....
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NOT

red states rule

03-04-2009, 10:53 PM

Even Warren Buffett has pulled away from the Obama/Pelosi/Reid mega pork bill and bloated budget - and thinks we are in for lots more pain.

Hope and change didn't do the trick, neither did the spening of a couple trillion more in one month with money we did not have.

Silver

03-04-2009, 11:02 PM

Keep up with the latest results....

But before you rush out and follow President Obama’s investment advice, consider this: last week Obama’s Treasury Department announced that the government would take a 36% stake in Citigroup by converting $25 billion of its preferred shares into common stock. The Treasury paid $3.25 a share for the stock last week, which after a weekend’s worth of government nationalization rumors fell to $1.20 by Monday. So to recap, President Obama managed to lose billions of taxpayer invested dollars in just a few days. But that’s not even the worst part. So far the government has poured $50 billion into Citigroup. Meanwhile, Citi’s market capitalization is only $6.54 billion. In other words, taxpayers could have bought Citi eight times over already for all the money they have thrown at it.

We are in no way suggesting that President Obama should have, or should now nationalize Citigroup. What the Citi story does highlight though, are the perils and conflicts that make massive and intrusive government intervention in the economy a disaster for all involved. Congress has no idea how to run a bank, and that is why all the political posturing in the House and Senate is completely undermining the stabilization of the banking sector. Meanwhile, the private sector has no incentive to create jobs since they are facing a $1.3 trillion tax hike in the coming decade. Then there is the $646 billion tax hike every American will see in their energy bills from President Obama’s promised carbon capping plans. It is no wonder that nobody is taking Obama’s investment advice.

The only sector of the economy that is sure to grow under Obama is the public sector. Our own Center for Data Analysis estimates that President Obama’s budget will require over 250,000 new government employees. Other expert estimates put the number at 100,000. Another big winner under Obama’s big government: lobbyists. Democratic staffers are now commanding $350,000 to $450,000 salaries at prestigious K Street lobbying firms. At least somebody is benefiting from this Obama economy.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19578.html

wooopppiiieeeeeee!

red states rule

03-04-2009, 11:13 PM

Is this the "change we need?" Ever since Obama won the election, the economy has gone down further every day. And don't even try to blame everything since 11/4/08 on Pres Bush.

Since then, markets have been reacting to Obama and his policies. He has full ownership of this economy now.

So many of Obama's campaign talk has proven to be lies. The "most transparent government in history?" No more earmarks? Most ethical administration ever? If libs thought the Bush years were a train wreck, that will look like boom times compared to this.

DannyR

03-04-2009, 11:21 PM

Since then, markets have been reacting to Obama and his policies. He has full ownership of this economy now. I'll give him 25% credit. He could have done everything perfectly and we'd be in similar shape. Market has gone down, but the market isn't the whole of the economy.

So many of Obama's campaign talk has proven to be lies.Obameter only shows 2 broken promises thus far and 7 compromises. Still too early to call them lies, although I probably won't disagree with you as time moves on.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

red states rule

03-05-2009, 06:51 AM

The economy is tanking, trillions of wasteful spending, 401k's melting away - and all we have gotten from Obama is a new logo for the "recovery"

http://tinyurl.com/dlsudp

PostmodernProphet

03-05-2009, 06:59 AM

I never wanted Bush or the US military to fail in Iraq. I disagreed with the policy of invading Iraq and I wanted to see the policy changed and the troops brought home. i NEVER wanted to see our troops lose a battle or for the US military to do anything other than succeed in every mission.

That is the big difference between us.

no difference at all....I don't want the economy to fail....that's WHY I oppose what Obama is doing.......

moderate democrat

03-05-2009, 07:10 AM

no difference at all....I don't want the economy to fail....that's WHY I oppose what Obama is doing.......

the stimulus bill IS law. Do you want it to help the economy or not?

red states rule

03-05-2009, 07:12 AM

the stimulus bill IS law. Do you want it to help the economy or not?

So was CA's ban on gay marriage - yet libs want that law to fail - and oppose it

So are gun laws in many states - yet libs want those laws to fail - and oppose it

I want America to succeed so yes, I want Obama's socialism to fail

I am helping the economy. I bought these bumper stickers to show what I think of Obama

http://www.discountbookdistributors.com/images/products/detail/OBAMA.1.jpg

moderate democrat

03-05-2009, 07:15 AM

So was CA's ban on gay marriage - yet libs want that law to fail - and oppose it

So are gun laws in many states - yet libs want those laws to fail - and oppose it

I want America to succeed so yes, I want Obama's socialism to fail

the stimulus package IS law. the money WILL be spent in accordance with that law. There is nothing you can do to stop the flow of government funds to the projects in that law. Do you want that plan to work and save the economy or don't you?

red states rule

03-05-2009, 07:17 AM

the stimulus package IS law. the money WILL be spent in accordance with that law. There is nothing you can do to stop the flow of government funds to the projects in that law. Do you want that plan to work and save the economy or don't you?

Yes, the political payoffs will be made, yet the economy will not be helped. Obama and his minons (like you) will try to blame others for his failures

moderate democrat

03-05-2009, 07:20 AM

Yes, the political payoffs will be made, yet the economy will not be helped. Obama and his minons (like you) will try to blame others for his failures

imagine that....you didn't answer my question. now THAT'S a shocker!:lol:

try again:

Do you want that plan to work and save the economy or don't you?

red states rule

03-05-2009, 07:24 AM

imagine that....you didn't answer my question. now THAT'S a shocker!:lol:

try again:

Do you want that plan to work and save the economy or don't you?

The plan can't work. It goes againist basic economics

Besides countries like Cuba and Venezuela - we see how great the economy is in those countries

moderate democrat

03-05-2009, 07:29 AM

The plan can't work. It goes againist basic economics

Besides countries like Cuba and Venezuela - we see how great the economy is in those countries

your opinions as to whether the plan CAN or CANNOT work are not in question. I ASKED YOU: do you WANT the stimulus package - which is LAW - to work and save the economy or not? quit tap dancing and just answer the simple question.

red states rule

03-05-2009, 07:35 AM

your opinions as to whether the plan CAN or CANNOT work are not in question. I ASKED YOU: do you WANT the stimulus package - which is LAW - to work and save the economy or not? quit tap dancing and just answer the simple question.

Some the Obamabots are starting to get scared about the all too obvious destruction of the US by the Dems

I think a lot of them are finally being faced with deciding if they really want to be a marxist nation, or if the good ole USA as we have known it is better. A lot of them are also realizing that they must sacrifice their own futures as well as that of their decendents in order for the conversion of the USA to a marxist style tyranny.

The only good thing that can possibly come out of the Obama years is the education of many more citizens on the evils of marxism, and how liberals can't be trusted with unchecked power

PostmodernProphet

03-05-2009, 07:37 AM

the stimulus bill IS law. Do you want it to help the economy or not?

clean the wax out of your ears, boy.....yes, I want to help the economy....to do that we need to STOP Obama and this ridiculous spendulus plan......

moderate democrat

03-05-2009, 07:38 AM

Some the Obamabots are starting to get scared about the all too obvious destruction of the US by the Dems

I think a lot of them are finally being faced with deciding if they really want to be a marxist nation, or if the good ole USA as we have known it is better. A lot of them are also realizing that they must sacrifice their own futures as well as that of their decendents in order for the conversion of the USA to a marxist style tyranny.

The only good thing that can possibly come out of the Obama years is the education of many more citizens on the evils of marxism, and how liberals can't be trusted with unchecked power

why can't you answer a simple question????

red states rule

03-05-2009, 07:38 AM

clean the wax out of your ears, boy.....yes, I want to help the economy....to do that we need to STOP Obama and this ridiculous spendulus plan......

Maybe he does not care about higher taxes. One thing Obama has shwon is that many rich liberals do not pay them anyway, so they dont care if the rest of us pay them

PostmodernProphet

03-05-2009, 07:38 AM

the stimulus package IS law. the money WILL be spent in accordance with that law. There is nothing you can do to stop the flow of government funds to the projects in that law. Do you want that plan to work and save the economy or don't you?

I must stop and question you on something very important.....ARE YOU RETARDED?......do you not understand what we have been saying to you for pages and pages?..........

moderate democrat

03-05-2009, 07:39 AM

clean the wax out of your ears, boy.....yes, I want to help the economy....to do that we need to STOP Obama and this ridiculous spendulus plan......

and you know that, at this point, the stimulus package is law and it will be implemented. Do you want it to help the economy or don't you?

moderate democrat

03-05-2009, 07:40 AM

I must stop and question you on something very important.....ARE YOU RETARDED?......do you not understand what we have been saying to you for pages and pages?..........

what you are saying is like ME saying...And what I want is that we NOT invade Iraq!!!!

the stimulus bill IS law.... do you want it to work or not? quit weaseling away from a simple question

red states rule

03-05-2009, 07:41 AM

and you know that, at this point, the stimulus package is law and it will be implemented. Do you want it to help the economy or don't you?

Do you stay up on Christmas Eve and wait for Santa to bring you your goodies?

It is the same as believing this mega pork bill will help the economy.

Keep wishing for the best MD

bullypulpit

03-05-2009, 07:41 AM

The plan can't work. It goes againist basic economics

Besides countries like Cuba and Venezuela - we see how great the economy is in those countries

Ummm Red, You really need to read up on economics. IN an economic downturn, where the private sector is TANKING, the government becomes the buyer of last resort. That was the case in the 1930's, and it's the case now.

Once government spending hit the economy, GDP began to rise except for a dip when REPUBLICANS forced Roosevelt to cut spending on New Deal programs. And then there was WW II which, as those in the right wing choose to ignore, entailed HUGE government outlays of cash. So, Red, I know you won't do it because you're too intellectually lazy and locked into your right wing-nut dogma, but do some research and stop parroting the right wing talking points. Learn to think for yourself before you shuffle off this mortal coil.

moderate democrat

03-05-2009, 07:42 AM

Do you stay up on Christmas Eve and wait for Santa to bring you your goodies?

It is the same as believing this mega pork bill will help the economy.

Keep wishing for the best MD

why can't you answer a simple question?

pathetic.

edit: and you know what? I will NEVER stop wishing for the best for my country. It is a real pity that you do not share that sentiment.

red states rule

03-05-2009, 07:45 AM

Ummm Red, You really need to read up on economics. IN an economic downturn, where the private sector is TANKING, the government becomes the buyer of last resort. That was the case in the 1930's, and it's the case now.

Once government spending hit the economy, GDP began to rise except for a dip when REPUBLICANS forced Roosevelt to cut spending on New Deal programs. And then there was WW II which, as those in the right wing choose to ignore, entailed HUGE government outlays of cash. So, Red, I know you won't do it because you're too intellectually lazy and locked into your right wing-nut dogma, but do some research and stop parroting the right wing talking points. Learn to think for yourself before you shuffle off this mortal coil.

Using borrowed money for a band-aid bailout of the economy should seem backwards to most people. However, it likely is a planned strategy to promote radical change.

The assumption that Obama will need the nation to prosper in order to protect the 2010 mid-term election incorrectly assumes that he esteems free market capitalism. He does not. Rather than win through superior ideas and policies, the Democrat plan for success in the mid-term elections is to win by destroying political opposition.

Obama adheres to the Saul Alinksy Rules for Radicals method of politics, which teaches the dark art of destroying political enemies. However, that text reveals only one front in the radical left's war against America. This strategy explains Rahm Emanuel's ominous statement, "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste."

PostmodernProphet

03-05-2009, 07:51 AM

what you are saying is like ME saying...And what I want is that we NOT invade Iraq!!!!

which is exactly what you admitted saying.....

the stimulus bill IS law.... do you want it to work or not? quit weaseling away from a simple question

I haven't weaseled on anything.....the 'stimulus' plan isn't designed to improve the economy, it is designed to replace private employment with public employment.....it is intended to destroy the economy, not help it.....for the thousandth time....NO....I do not want the stimulus plan to "work".....I want the economy to improve.....

red states rule

03-05-2009, 07:53 AM

bullypulpit

03-05-2009, 07:54 AM

Using borrowed money for a band-aid bailout of the economy should seem backwards to most people. However, it likely is a planned strategy to promote radical change.

The assumption that Obama will need the nation to prosper in order to protect the 2010 mid-term election incorrectly assumes that he esteems free market capitalism. He does not. Rather than win through superior ideas and policies, the Democrat plan for success in the mid-term elections is to win by destroying political opposition.

Obama adheres to the Saul Alinksy Rules for Radicals method of politics, which teaches the dark art of destroying political enemies. However, that text reveals only one front in the radical left's war against America. This strategy explains Rahm Emanuel's ominous statement, "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste."

Blah...Blah...Blah...Blah...Blah...More talking points Red. Ever had an original thought?

As for government borrowing, you didn't complain so much when it was Bush bleeding the economy dry with foreign borrowing to fund the invasion and occupation of Iraq. But having failed Econ 101, you missed the part about government deficit spending as a successful means to stimulate economic growth, as John Maynard Keynes showed us during the Great Depression.

<center><img src=http://www.ourfuture.org/files/images/Depression-GDP-output-1.gif></center>

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The proof is irrefutable, but that doesn't mean that you and your fellow right wing-nuts won't try.

red states rule

03-05-2009, 07:57 AM

PostmodernProphet

03-05-2009, 08:02 AM

The proof is irrefutable, but that doesn't mean that you and your fellow right wing-nuts won't try.

I would love to give it a try, but your "proof" isn't documented.....which of the crackpot articles from ourfuture.org did it come from so I can examine the way they manipulated the data.....

moderate democrat

03-05-2009, 08:14 AM

which is exactly what you admitted saying.....

I haven't weaseled on anything.....the 'stimulus' plan isn't designed to improve the economy, it is designed to replace private employment with public employment.....it is intended to destroy the economy, not help it.....for the thousandth time....NO....I do not want the stimulus plan to "work".....I want the economy to improve.....

I am saying that, before we invaded Iraq, I did not want us to invade Iraq. The fact is...we did. It is nonsensical for me to say that I do not want us to Invade Iraq seven years after we did it. For you to say that you oppose the stimulus bill is exactly the same thing. The stimulus bill was opposed, and the opposition to it did not succeed in preventing it from becoming law.

After we invaded Iraq, I ALWAYS wanted our troops to succeed. You, on the other hand, want our economy to now fail rather than have it succeed with the assistance of the stimulus package.

red states rule

03-05-2009, 08:32 AM

Obama has been tanking the economy since Election day, he clearly stated what his policies would be, the markets do not respond well to promises of regulation, government intrusion and higher taxes.

moderate democrat

03-05-2009, 08:36 AM

#111

red states rule

03-05-2009, 08:39 AM

#111

Still stuck on repeat and stupid I see

moderate democrat

03-05-2009, 08:52 AM

Still stuck on repeat and stupid I see

still running away from simple questions I see.

why won't you just answer it? why are you so afraid of just admitting that you are a party first, country second, unpatriotic hack?

red states rule

03-05-2009, 08:53 AM

still running away from simple questions I see.

why won't you just answer it? why are you so afraid of just admitting that you are a party first, country second, unpatriotic hack?

Looking in the mirror again?

I have said I hope he fails because I do not want the country to move to the far left and have socialism rule the economy

moderate democrat

03-05-2009, 08:55 AM

Looking in the mirror again?

I have said I hope he fails because I do not want the country to move to the far left and have socialism rule the economy

looking in the mirror? what is this? grade school??? "I'm rubber you're glue"???? :lol:

the stimulus package is law. Do you want the stimulus package to help our economy or don't you?

red states rule

03-05-2009, 08:56 AM

looking in the mirror? what is this? grade school??? "I'm rubber you're glue"???? :lol:

the stimulus package is law. Do you want the stimulus package to help our economy or don't you?

How is Hoping Obama Fails a bad thing?

Conservatives are against big government. Its what we are.

Obama's plans and objectives go against that. So why would I as a conservative want him to succeed in his plan?

It makes absolutely no sense.

red states rule

03-05-2009, 09:24 AM

Uh oh: Matthews sounding fed up with Obama’s earmark

Buckley turning on him was predictable, Brooks turning on him was a pleasant surprise if not unthinkable — but Mr. Leg Thrill? This isn’t the first time he’s expressed exasperation with The One’s performance lately, either. If he’s losing Matthews, whither the rest of the media’s Hopenchange sycophants?
As Ace notes, Obama’s not indifferent to all extravagant spending. Just the kind that might improve America’s defense.

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http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/04/uh-oh-matthews-sounding-fed-up-with-obamas-earmark-hypocrisy/

PostmodernProphet

03-05-2009, 10:05 AM

You, on the other hand, want our economy to now fail rather than have it succeed with the assistance of the stimulus package.

well, I don't know how much further to take this.....I have stated a couple of dozen times that I don't want the economy to fail.....for some reason that simple little statement seems to be too much for you to assimilate....I can only conclude that you are a fucking idiot.....sorry if it offends you, but being told repeatedly that I want something which is the exact opposite of what I want offends me as well.....

red states rule

03-05-2009, 10:34 AM

Taxing the rich with higher rates has a negative impact on the poorer class.

The rich either lay off people, close up shop, raise prices, etc.

Anyone remember the "Yacht tax" Dems passed years ago? It put yacht builders out of business, and the revenue Dems said the tax would grenerate actually fell since the rich stopped buying yachts

The tax was repealed, and yachts started to be bought again, and yacht builders rehired workers

bullypulpit

03-05-2009, 11:38 AM

So now you go back to Bush to get away from Obama's reckless spending

The whole "New Deal didn't work" thing is total BS, just like "Joe Mccarthy was great and misunderstood".

It doesn't matter if Obamanomics works or not. We will hear about it "working" for decades just as the New Deal "saved" the nation.

It reminds me of the Global Warming guy on the O'Reilly show the other evening. His answer to everything was "it's because of global warming", no matter what the evidence. The same will be for this "Obamaeconomics" fiasco.

So spending on rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure is "reckless"? Spending to wean America of the oil tit is "reckless"? Spending to put Americans to work is "reckless"? You need to review your definition of "reckless" Red.

Oh, and it's not Obama's economics, it's Keynesian economics with a proven record of success...And your talking points are starting to look more like a word salad or flight of ideas as you grasp for anything which might lend some shred of credence to your continued defense of the indefensible.

bullypulpit

03-05-2009, 11:40 AM

How is Hoping Obama Fails a bad thing?

Conservatives are against big government. Its what we are.

Obama's plans and objectives go against that. So why would I as a conservative want him to succeed in his plan?

It makes absolutely no sense.

SO, why did you support Bush in his massive expansion of the government into the everyday lives of ordinary Americans? You're making less sense with every post Red, not that you ever made much to begin with.

Yurt

03-05-2009, 12:33 PM

well, I don't know how much further to take this.....I have stated a couple of dozen times that I don't want the economy to fail.....for some reason that simple little statement seems to be too much for you to assimilate....I can only conclude that you are a fucking idiot.....sorry if it offends you, but being told repeatedly that I want something which is the exact opposite of what I want offends me as well.....

pmp:

this "new" poster has a well known MO...it is pointless to debate him on the issues as he is a known liar. he does not want the truth, he will not accept the truth as he will only accept his preconcieved answer. even i after i point blank told this quack that i don't want i don't support the stimulus and i hope that i succeeds against the fact that i don't believe it will AND this poster admitted that he was wrong and that i do in fact want success for this country, the very next day he immediately accused me of wanting the country to fail via not supporting the stimulus package.

i pointed out where he just said that i don't in fact want it to fail and he changed his tune and said that me saying something only ONE time does not change the fact i want the economy to fail.

it is pointless to argue over and over with a liar.

moderate democrat

03-05-2009, 12:56 PM

How is Hoping Obama Fails a bad thing?

Conservatives are against big government. Its what we are.

Obama's plans and objectives go against that. So why would I as a conservative want him to succeed in his plan?

It makes absolutely no sense.

so...you WANT the stimulus package to fail. You WANT the money spent on the stimulus to go for naught and for the economy to suffer as a result of it. I understand.

moderate democrat

03-05-2009, 12:58 PM

Mr. P

03-05-2009, 01:34 PM

so...you WANT the stimulus package to fail. You WANT the money spent on the stimulus to go for naught and for the economy to suffer as a result of it. I understand.

It seems it has already failed. Do you wanna chase bad money with good?

When do you accept failure of a bad decision? Three trillion, 4, 5 10, 100?

You and Bambam are just like the bankruptcy clients I deal with everyday.
Borrow, borrow and borrow to maitain their lifstyle..NEVER addressing the fact that they're not addressing the real problem, of poor irresponsible choices.

Then the bottom falls out and I get the call..Goes like this:

I never thought I'd be in this position.
I've always had perfect credit.

BUT NOW...

Blah, blah ,blah...

I can't pay my bills!

The USA is heading in the same direction.

moderate democrat

03-05-2009, 02:01 PM

It seems it has already failed.

the very first bits of stimulus money are just now satrting to flow out to transportation projects. Methinks your obituary for the stimulus package is a bit premature.

Kathianne

03-05-2009, 02:03 PM

the very first bits of stimulus money are just now satrting to flow out to transportation projects. Methinks your obituary for the stimulus package is a bit premature.

Not enough oversight, not enough measurements, not enough of anything besides too much money.

Mr. P

03-05-2009, 02:05 PM

the very first bits of stimulus money are just now satrting to flow out to transportation projects. Methinks your obituary for the stimulus package is a bit premature.

Premature? Check out the financial market reaction, DUMBO.

Yurt

03-05-2009, 02:06 PM

the very first bits of stimulus money are just now satrting to flow out to transportation projects. Methinks your obituary for the stimulus package is a bit premature.

:lol:

just like you have been predicting failure in iraq for years...

lol, your hypocrisy is funny, thank you.

DannyR

03-05-2009, 02:10 PM

Premature? Check out the financial market reaction, DUMBO.Lets file 13 the insults please.

The financial markets react if someone passes gas. We're in something of an negative bubble currently in my opinion, with irrational exuberance among sellers.

Personally I predict the economy will move along as it always has, and the stimulus package will probably have little impact, either for better or for worse. Its not as if this is the first time government has wasted tons of money with little payoff.

Yurt

03-05-2009, 02:32 PM

I want Obama to fail, I want the economy to fail, I want the banks to collapse and I want the Stock Market to crash.

--Rush Limbaugh (Leader of the Republican Party)

provide a link to those exact words since you are claiming this as an exact quote.

Mr. P

03-05-2009, 02:34 PM

Lets file 13 the insults please.

The financial markets react if someone passes gas. We're in something of an negative bubble currently in my opinion, with irrational exuberance among sellers.

Personally I predict the economy will move along as it always has, and the stimulus package will probably have little impact, either for better or for worse. Its not as if this is the first time government has wasted tons of money with little payoff.

I'll insult as I please youngin.

I've been around way longer than you and have seen more spending too.. THIS isn't just spending...It's SUICIDE!

Mr. P

03-05-2009, 02:36 PM

I want Obama to fail, I want the economy to fail, I want the banks to collapse and I want the Stock Market to crash.

--Rush Limbaugh (Leader of the Republican Party)

Why the fuck do you edit 99% of yer posts?

Explain and be specific.

Jagger

03-05-2009, 02:55 PM

provide a link to those exact words since you are claiming this as an exact quote.
I just heard him say it on the radio, dude.

Jagger

03-05-2009, 02:58 PM

Why the fuck do you edit 99% of yer posts?

Explain and be specific.
Why do you Republicans want our nation to fail?

red states rule

03-06-2009, 07:32 AM

So spending on rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure is "reckless"? Spending to wean America of the oil tit is "reckless"? Spending to put Americans to work is "reckless"? You need to review your definition of "reckless" Red.

Oh, and it's not Obama's economics, it's Keynesian economics with a proven record of success...And your talking points are starting to look more like a word salad or flight of ideas as you grasp for anything which might lend some shred of credence to your continued defense of the indefensible.

BP. there is LITTLE stimlus in this mega pork bill, We have such job creators like

snip

Then there are the usual welfare-expansion programs that sound nice but repeatedly fail cost-benefit analyses. The bill provides $380 million to set up a rainy-day fund for a nutrition program that serves low-income women and children, and $300 million for grants to combat violence against women. Laudable goals, perhaps, but where’s the economic stimulus? And the bill would double the amount spent on federal child-care subsidies. Brian Riedl, a budget expert with the Heritage Foundation, quips, “Maybe it’s to help future Obama cabinet secretaries, so that they don’t have to pay taxes on their nannies.”

Perhaps spending $6 billion on university building projects will put some unemployed construction workers to work, but how does a $15 billion expansion of the Pell Grant program meet the standard of “temporary, timely, and targeted”? Another provision would allocate an extra $1.2 billion to a “youth” summer-jobs program—and increase the age-eligibility limit from 21 to 24. Federal job-training programs—despite a long track record of failure—come in for $4 billion total in additional funding through the stimulus.

Of course, it wouldn’t be a liberal wish list if it didn’t include something for ACORN, and sure enough, there is $5.2 billion for community-development block grants and “neighborhood stabilization activities,” which ACORN is eligible to apply for. Finally, the bill allocates $650 million for activities related to the switch from analog to digital TV, including $90 million to educate “vulnerable populations” that they need to go out and get their converter boxes or lose their TV signals. Obviously, this is stimulative stuff: Any economist will tell you that you can’t get higher productivity and economic growth without access to reruns of Family Feud.

Summary:
$50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts
$380 million in the Senate bill for the Women, Infants and Children program
$300 million for grants to combat violence against women
$2 billion for federal child-care block grants
$6 billion for university building projects
$15 billion for boosting Pell Grant college scholarships
$4 billion for job-training programs, including $1.2 billion for “youths” up to the age of 24
$1 billion for community-development block grants
$4.2 billion for “neighborhood stabilization activities”
$650 million for digital-TV coupons; $90 million to educate “vulnerable populations”

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YjcyODIyZGM2MGU1ZDdkNDgxZDc3OTNjYjM4ZDY1ODI=

Since Obama dismissed the Dow as a daily tracking poll - the Obama Daily Tracking poll took another huge drop yesterday

I wonder how many people who voted for Obama, have lost a huge portion of their retirement accounts since Election Day

I hope they are still excited about the change

PostmodernProphet

03-06-2009, 07:51 AM

I just heard him say it on the radio, dude.

do you realize that transcripts of his shows are available online?.....for the hearing impaired?....

red states rule

03-06-2009, 07:54 AM

Why do you Republicans want our nation to fail?

How is Hoping Obama Fails a bad thing?

Conservatives are against big government. Its what we are.

Obama's plans and objectives go against that. So why would I as a conservative want him to succeed in his plan?

It makes absolutely no sense.

Jagger

03-06-2009, 08:28 AM

there are the usual welfare-expansion programs that sound nice but repeatedly fail cost-benefit analysis. The bill provides $380 million to set up a rainy-day fund for a nutrition program that serves low-income women and children

Money spent on foodstuffs goes immediately back into the economy. Providing nutrition for low-income women and children is a solid economic stimulus.

red states rule

03-06-2009, 08:29 AM

Money spent on foodstuffs goes immediately back into the economy. Providing nutrition for low-income women and children is a solid economic stimulus.

They already have it with other government programs. This is just padding the dollar amounts

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As a group, America's poor are far from being chronically undernourished. The average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children and, in most cases, is well above recommended norms. Poor children actually consume more meat than do higher-income children and have average protein intakes 100 percent above recommended levels. Most poor children today are, in fact, supernourished and grow up to be, on average, one inch taller and 10 pounds heavier that the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II.

While the poor are generally well-nourished, some poor families do experience hunger, meaning a temporary discomfort due to food shortages. According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), 13 percent of poor families and 2.6 percent of poor children experience hunger at some point during the year. In most cases, their hunger is short-term. Eighty-nine percent of the poor report their families have "enough" food to eat, while only 2 percent say they "often" do not have enough to eat.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/bg1713.cfm

Jagger

03-06-2009, 08:36 AM

Conservatives are against big government.

http://www.criticallayouts.com/images/rsgallery/original/you-are-too-funny-ag1.gif

Reagan signed a $165 billion bailout of Social Security. It dramatically increased payroll taxes on employees and employers, brought a whole new class of recipients--new federal workers--into the system, and, for the first time, taxed Social Security benefits, and did so in the most liberal way: only those of upper-income recipients. The tax wasn't even indexed to inflation, meaning that more and more people have gradually had to pay it over time.

Reagan was a welfare state socialist.

Jagger

03-06-2009, 08:47 AM

They already have it with other government programs. That's not the issue, pee wee. Money spent on foodstuffs still goes immediately back into the economy. Providing nutrition for low-income women and children is still a solid economic stimulus.

red states rule

03-06-2009, 09:22 AM

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3390/3332448931_8d3ae088d1.jpg?v=0

Yurt

03-06-2009, 10:09 AM

do you realize that transcripts of his shows are available online?.....for the hearing impaired?....

jagger admitted elsewhere that he made it up because if rush can make stuff up, so can he

red states rule

03-06-2009, 10:18 AM

DannyR

03-06-2009, 10:59 AM

With so many people now unemployed, perhaps Obama can add a few billion in a spending bill, so Unemployment offices can buy HD TV's to put in lobby so those looking for work can watch Obama give speechs in styleGood idea! Don't forget, flatscreens are the #1 target for thieves nowadays, so after a few days of the unemployed using them, some much needed stimulus will go to the projects. :laugh2:

PostmodernProphet

03-06-2009, 11:28 AM

except that there are no American factories making HDTVs......so they are stimulating the wrong economy....

Jagger

03-06-2009, 11:32 AM

How is Hoping Obama Fails a bad thing? Because the executive Power of the United States of America is vested in the President. If the President fails, then the power of the nation fails.

Conservatives are against big government.
Who is the most conservative member of congress and when is the last time he introduced legislation to abolish Social Security.

Obama's plans and objectives go against that. So why would I as a conservative want him to succeed in his plan? When is the last time a conservative ran for office on a promise to abolish Social Security?

Jagger

03-06-2009, 12:16 PM

Reagan was just another welfare state liberal. A review of Reagan's presidency doesn't support the conservative myth being peddled today. Federal government expanded on his watch. He broke his promise to fight to outlaw abortion. Reagan compromised with the Soviets on arms control. He promised an assault on entitlements but he expanded them by saving Social Security in 1983. He ignored the principle that taxes should never be raised.

PostmodernProphet

03-06-2009, 02:00 PM

[SIZE="3"] He broke his promise to fight to outlaw abortion.
???....did you see something during his administration that acted to increase abortions?.....I recall him fighting against abortion every year of his two terms.....and as anyone here can probably reassure you, that's one of the things I notice....

Reagan compromised with the Soviets on arms control.
some of us remember the Soviet Union disappearing.....you remember him "compromising"......

He ignored the principle that taxes should never be raised.
I expect that was because the Democrats who controlled Congress didn't go along with the other part of Reaganomics.....cutting spending....

PostmodernProphet

03-06-2009, 02:01 PM

Who is the most conservative member of congress and when is the last time he introduced legislation to abolish Social Security.

I take it you don't like Social Security.....

Jagger

03-06-2009, 02:15 PM

Ronald Reagan was not as anti-abortion las he often seemed.

Early in his California governorship he had signed a permissive abortion bill that has resulted in more than a million abortions.

When Reagan ran for president, he won backing from pro-life forces by advocating a constitutional amendment that would have prohibited all abortions except when necessary to save the life of the mother.

However, as President, Reagan addressed the annual pro-life rally held in Washington by telephone so that he would not be seen with the leaders of the movement on the evening news.

As President, Reagan invested very few political resources toward ending abortion.

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Let us join in a new determination to rebuild the foundation of our society, to work together, to act responsibly.

--President Obama

PostmodernProphet

03-06-2009, 02:17 PM

Ronald Reagan was not as anti-abortion las he often seemed.

Early in his California governorship he had signed a permissive abortion bill that has resulted in more than a million abortions.

When Reagan ran for president, he won backing from pro-life forces by advocating a constitutional amendment that would have prohibited all abortions except when necessary to save the life of the mother.

However, as President, Reagan addressed the annual pro-life rally held in Washington by telephone so that he would not be seen with the leaders of the movement on the evening news.

As President, Reagan invested very few political resources toward ending abortion.

well screw him then....after all, all he had to do was snap his fingers and it all would have been over....

Jagger

03-06-2009, 02:21 PM

well screw him then....after all, all he had to do was snap his fingers and it all would have been over....

Together we can forge a new beginning for America.

--President Obama

PostmodernProphet

03-06-2009, 03:29 PM

Together we can forge a new beginning for America.

--President Obama

now THERE'S the man who's going to put an end to abortions.....

Jagger

03-06-2009, 03:45 PM

By expanding rather than scaling back entitlements, Ronald Reagan and Newt Gingrich demonstrated that conservatives were frauds and had no intentions whatsoever to launch an assault on Social Security, effectively conceding that cherished socialist programs were central features of the American polity.

PostmodernProphet

03-07-2009, 08:12 AM

and had no intentions whatsoever to launch an assault on Social Security

lol....damn them for not intending to launch an assault on Social Security......I'm sure Obama will do a much better job for you.....

Jagger

03-07-2009, 09:10 AM

Here's another example of Reagan expanding government:

Rather than abolish the departments of Energy and Education, as Reagan had promised to do if elected president, He actually added a new cabinet-level department--one of the largest federal agencies--the Department of Veterans Affairs.

PostmodernProphet

03-07-2009, 12:55 PM

you puzzle me Jagger.....at times you post like a disgruntled Reagan democrat.....a crossover disappointed that he didn't perform as promised.....yet at other times you express support for Obama, who likewise might not perform as promised, but who promised everything that Reagan opposed and opposed everything Reagan promised....

red states rule

03-09-2009, 06:23 AM

Here is one the reasons for a tanking Dow, and people losing their retirement funds

How Obama's Soak-The-Rich Plan Will End Up Hurting Middle Class

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His proposed budget includes $353.5 billion of tax increases for U.S. businesses. Many investors face a tripling of taxes. Other proposed policies would further increase the cost of doing business, such as "green" mandates.

A proposed "card-check" law is intended to revive compulsory unionism in the private sector and make it more expensive for employers to hire people. When something becomes more expensive, demand is likely to fall.

By reducing after-tax returns from investment, Obama will discourage investors from making their funds available. For all practical purposes, investors could go on strike as they did during the 1930s when a succession of soak-the-rich taxes made it hard for investors to estimate their risks and returns, and they remained on the sidelines. Without more capital, it's almost impossible to create more private sector jobs.

Obama's populist rhetoric suggests that he's only going after the super-rich. Yet reportedly half of individuals earning over $250,000 a year are small business owners. During the past 15 years, small businesses have been creating over 90% of net new jobs — altogether, more than 20 million jobs. How smart is it for the heavy hand of government to come down on these employers?

Not very — if the goal of these policies is economic recovery and prosperity.

http://www.investors.com/images/editimg/issues03030409.gif

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1502&status=article&id=320976715882037

red states rule

03-09-2009, 08:03 AM

Economic reality is starting to set in with some libs

Whoopi discovers she doesn’t like tax hikes

The moment of truth comes at about 3:30 in this edited clip from The View today, but there are more goodies here, too. Before we get to Whoopi’s explicitly but mildly Howard Beale-esque rant, another member of the View quartet attempts to lecture Obama critics on respect for the office of the Presidency — which brings a snort of scorn from Elizabeth Hasselbeck, who wonders when suddenly dissent stopped being cool.

Wallow, my friends, in the warm flood of hypocrisy.

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http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/06/video-whoopi-discovers-she-doesnt-like-tax-hikes/

Jagger

03-09-2009, 09:44 AM

His proposed budget includes $353.5 billion of tax increases for U.S. businesses.
That statement is not true.

PostmodernProphet

03-09-2009, 12:34 PM

That statement is not true.

odd then that he provided proof....

Jagger

03-09-2009, 02:40 PM

Our beloved President Obama has proposed allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire as scheduled on people who make more than $200,000 and couples who make more than $250,000. For those income levels, his plan increases rates on the two highest income tax brackets, raising the 33 percent bracket to 36 percent and the 35 percent bracket to 39.6 percent. Under Obama's plan, those tax cuts expire, as scheduled, in 2011. The proposed tax increases wouldn't hinder economic growth during a recession, because the higher taxes on the wealthy would not increase until 2011, almost two years from now. The rates for families that make above $250,000 a year merely revert to the rates that we saw throughout the '90s, when this economy enjoyed fairly robust economic growth.

Yurt

03-09-2009, 03:37 PM

DannyR

03-09-2009, 03:41 PM

odd then that he provided proof....He provided an EDITORIAL link that gave the figure, which while it gives his statement credibility, isn't proof. I would like to see exactly where these tax increases are myself. Not saying they don't exist, I just want to know what they are.

The surrounding text pretty much only talks about eliminating offshore tax havens. If that is the sum of the tax increases, I'm in favor of it myself, because its technically not a tax increase, but enforcement of existing law that companies are avoiding paying by shipping their money out of the USA.

Jagger

03-09-2009, 04:01 PM

McCain falsely claims CBO says spending will cause us to have a negative GDP growth

Chris Wallace allowed Sen. John McCain to falsely claim that, according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), "[a]ll of this spending, all of this debt, all of the policies" will, "in the long term, cause us to have a negative ... GDP growth."

In fact, CBO has predicted a slight reduction in long-term GDP growth when compared to current projections -- though not enough to result in negative GDP growth -- due to the "crowding-out" effect of the increase in government debt resulting from the economic recovery act.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200903080011

Yurt

03-09-2009, 04:15 PM

Jagger

03-09-2009, 05:26 PM

Fox media analysts claimed "we don't have any idea" what Biden said to AFL-CIO, but transcript is available.

Jon Scott, host of Fox News' weekly media analysis program, Fox News Watch, claimed that Vice President Joe Biden's appearance at the AFL-CIO executive council meeting was "closed to the press," adding, "We don't have any idea what he said there."

In fact, the White House released a transcript of Biden's AFL-CIO speech, and "a pool of print reporters" reportedly covered the speech at the request of the White House.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200903090007?f=i_latest

red states rule

03-10-2009, 09:04 AM

http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/148242.jpg

Jagger

03-10-2009, 12:27 PM

Earmark Promise Falsehood

Echoing a falsehood advanced by numerous media figures, Fox News' Gretchen Carlson falsely claimed that President Obama "pledged that he was going to get rid of all these earmarks." Additionally, an AP article reported that the "$410 billion spending bill includes the kinds of lawmakers' pet projects that Obama pledged as a candidate to eliminate."

In fact, Obama actually promised to reform the earmark process and cut wasteful spending.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200903090001?f=h_top

Trigg

03-10-2009, 01:49 PM