Rush Limbaugh's 'First Ever Address to the Nation' from CPAC [Archive] - Debate Policy

emmett

03-01-2009, 09:53 AM

Rush Limbaugh is big bag of hot air propaganda! Sorry conservatives, that's how I feel! Elitist! People who got hooked on pain killers were criminals until it happened to him, the list goes on!

Radio hosts possess no qualifications to be elected political leaders. NONE!!!!

I can't wait to hear what kind of "qualifications" he will claim to have after assaulting Obama, who essentially had none either! At least he had been elected to a public office.

I do predict however that Republicans will blindly begin to "rush" onto the bandwagon to elect him president which will be a huge mistake.

Republicans really piss me off sometimes. They, even in a clear state of confusion refuse to recognize the real answers to problems with an agenda that has clearly drove their popularity down the toilet. You can't half step, and that is what they continue to insist on doing. They want to pick line items out of the Constitution that resemble their interests but still refuse to actually support the real basis of it!

Mr. Limbaugh...... Liberty has nothing to do with tapping someone's phone line in hopes that "possibly" someone is conspiring with terrorists to blow up a taco stand!

Freedom is not accomplished by appointing your own country the world's police officer! We are suppose to be concerned with our own freedom. If while you are busy attempting to liberate the world, whether you are right or not, and while doing so, an economic collapse takes place that will be certain to threaten the freedom of your own people, you have allowed failure on your watch that makes those "liberties" assured us as Americans........ vulnerable. What part of that do I need to explain again so Republicans can understand it?

Rush ain't it! Sarah ain't it! Bobby Jindal ain't it! No Republican is it! Not even Dr. Paul until he stops his charade of being the thing he fights and comes back to his place as the leading Libertarian in the country. He stands closer to it than any of them but his plan to bring a larger amount of conservatives with him by remaining a Republican, which works fairly well, is still half stepping!

Only a dedicated, true hearted Libertarian philosophy of small government, true liberty and personal responsiblity for our own actions will instill in Conservatives all the ingrediants necessary to fix America. The thing is, conservatives know this but continue their "wah...wah... We can't win" philosophy. Guess what..... can't never could. You are absolutely right!

Compromising your agenda in the interest of popularity is still compromise. I have cjecked the Constitution over and over and I can't seem to locate that word. It isn't in there! Nowhere in there does it say I am obligated to compromise my liberty in order to maintain as much of it's content as possible.

Come on people! Let's grow some balls for a change! Our soldiers died for our inalienable rights. Don't be so willing to sell them out so as to keep a few but obviously surrender so many. Look around! The Republican plan is failing. A damn idiot can see this!!!!!! The reason it is failing is "compromise". Compromising fundamental standards of American principles of liberty.

Now you can slam me for what I say but you are going to be hearing a lot of it over the next four years. You can blame the messenger if you want to but I would rather think it is your conscience that will get you the most.

If Libertarians were polling at 20% people would be saying,"you know he is right Honey..... we ought to take another look!" If and Ron Paul polls 15 or 18%, like I predict he will this time around, people will forget that he was against the war because after living at the campground for two years trying to recover from the economic slaughter he warned us about many years ago, his message will become a little easier to swallow. Go back and view his speech in Minneopolis again, part 4,5 and 6 and tell me you don't agree with every damn thing he says.

So we compromised our childrens future on a gamble of supporting GW a second time, then John McCain. Our childrens financial future is "compromised". It's done! That cannot be fixed! Are we going to wait until there is so much damage we are riding in a boat with so much water in it that it can't be bailed out!

I hear it all the time! "Yeah Emmett, but we need to elect some more local and state level Libertarians.... I'm all for that." You see... that is exactly what is wrong with conservatives thinking nowadays. Why start at the bottom. START AT THE DAMN TOP!!!!! Electing a Libertarian president will result in more US Senators and Represenatives a hell of a lot faster than starting with a few elected locals. That will take care of itself.

At times it is very frustraing to be a Libertarian! Very frustrating!!!! I know this because I have been one for over twenty years. I cry tears of anguish from the root of my soul every time I see the common assaults on our basic liberty being portrayed in front of my eyes. A government that can monitor bank accounts, stop your free movement like a gustapo in Nazi Germany, take food out of your refrigerator and hand it to some lazy bastard at the point of a government gun because he will vote for power to do so, make law after law after law about the way you are suppose to live and on top of it all, brainwash our children to believe that this is in the interest of the common good.......RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR EYES!!!! AND.................insist you help them with the homework!

Very frustrating! I wonder why I don't just shut up and file into the line of settling for what I can get in the way of partial satifaction, be a good Republican and just go with the flow. CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HIT MY HEAD ON THE DAMN TOILET BOWL PEOPLE!!!!! AND....... because i value the ultimate sacrifices of the young men who gave up everything there was.... life itself.... DO YOU FOLKS HEAR ME? LIFE ITSELF!!!!!!! So that I may have the right to rant and rave without being locked away as a political prisoner for my thoughts, so that I can come and go as a free American, unmolested by some curious overzealous authoritarian cop who thinks I am a criminal because I have loong hair and a beard while riding my motorcycle. So that I may have the right to hire who the hell I want to because I think they will do a good job, not because I am forced to hire because his family heritage shows that he has not been treated fair over 135 years ago! So that I can choose what to teach my child about American heritage and history, telling them the truth, not some cooked up crock of shit that says i have to make them believe they are bad because they have a little something someone does not have. So that I can teach them what I think they need to know about how to live, and not become some programmed government robot. So I can teach them to believe in God if I want to and not feel guilty that I have broken protocol or insulted someones "feelings". So that I can inspire them to say Merry Christmas to someone with the true spirit of it at heart knowing what the heck it means and that it isn't just some day when everyone rushes over to grandma's house to pass out presents as a result of a "Happy Holidays" celebration. So I can be treated as an equal with my fellow man, not seeing him degraded by a government that forces him to believe that he is less than me because of his race. color. creed or national origin, to see him thrive, learn, raise families with the same hope as mine to prosper, enjoy, experience the American dream of potential success that won't be stripped from him if he does too well and by the grace of God, stand next to me proud on the shores of my land and fight any foe to the death that threatens it!!!!!

I'm done!

red states rule

03-01-2009, 09:56 AM

emmett

03-01-2009, 10:18 AM

Emmett, who said Rush was a political leader? Nobody on our side. Rush has said many times he has no desire to run for office

He would want to take the pay cut

What Rush is saying, is what CONSERVATIVES should run on, and DELIVER if they are elected and take back Congres and the White House

I agree with with what he said, and I hope after the disaster Obama and Dems bring the country - conservatives will follow those polices

I assure you sir.... Rush Limbaugh WILL run for president of the United States of America! When declaring his candancy, he will recognize that the "people" have requested it and he feels compeled to serve, making himself appear as the Great White Knight. He will preach his version of Conservatism, much of it from the text of Barry Goldwater, but will leave out the parts that do not fit the Extremists agenda like the facvt that with true liberty, one must accept no compromise.

Many parts of the reason we just had a financial collapse was Republican's fault! While taking their "eyes off the prize" of maintaining our real liberty by doing only the business of the American people which it is their duty to do, they bnecame enthralled in a war of police action and setting up governments in other countries that caused our interests to be compromised. While conservatives were busy cheering on this effort, the housing market was being destroyed, liberal philosophy was being implanted in our youth by our government education system and illegal aliens continued to enter our country like getting on a bus! With them they brought a drag to our health system, a burden to our tax money and riff raff that was sure to commit crimes across our nation.

red states rule

03-01-2009, 10:23 AM

I assure you sir.... Rush Limbaugh WILL run for president of the United States of America! When declaring his candancy, he will recognize that the "people" have requested it and he feels compeled to serve, making himself appear as the Great White Knight. He will preach his version of Conservatism, much of it from the text of Barry Goldwater, but will leave out the parts that do not fit the Extremists agenda like the facvt that with true liberty, one must accept no compromise.

Many parts of the reason we just had a financial collapse was Republican's fault! While taking their "eyes off the prize" of maintaining our real liberty by doing only the business of the American people which it is their duty to do, they bnecame enthralled in a war of police action and setting up governments in other countries that caused our interests to be compromised. While conservatives were busy cheering on this effort, the housing market was being destroyed, liberal philosophy was being implanted in our youth by our government education system and illegal aliens continued to enter our country like getting on a bus! With them they brought a drag to our health system, a burden to our tax money and riff raff that was sure to commit crimes across our nation.

Emmett, I will bet you dinner (you can pick the place) if Rush does run. I am rather surprised at you - I would think you would agree with what Rush said

He embodies freedom that this nation was built on. Like Rush I believe people can succeed regardless of their color, race, or economic conditions. It is people like Obama, Reid, and Pleosi who keep people down by punishing achievement

That is not extreme - that is a fact

As I watch the speech, I could see YOU making that speech. Unlike Obama, it is not being read off a teleprompter but coming from his heart. Rush talked about his core principals, I believe they are your princiapls as well as mine

emmett

03-01-2009, 10:40 AM

Emmett, I will bet you dinner (you can pick the place) if Rush does run. I am rather surprised at you - I would think you would agree with what Rush said

He embodies freedom that this nation was built on. Like Rush I believe people can succeed regardless of their color, race, or economic conditions. It is people like Obama, Reid, and Pleosi who keep people down by punishing achievement

That is not extreme - that is a fact

As I watch the speech, I could see YOU making that speech. Unlike Obama, it is not being read off a teleprompter but coming from his heart. Rush talked about his core principals, I believe they are your princiapls as well as mine

Words are words RSR! Rush, as a professional, has many of them. He is an entertainer, a radio host.

Yes Rush said a allot of things I agree with. If I didn't know he was a power monger I could accept them much easier. However, when it comes down to cases he will be the same type of hypocrit as others. Remember his drug problem? Remember his change of heart about how "druggies" should go to jail...... PERIOD! Well.... when he had a problem, all that changed!

That was number 1! Number 2 is that I don't trust him! I just flat don't trust him! His blowhard mentality reminds me of Ann Coulter who uses conservatives as a mechanism to make money.... that's all! She is no more a conservative in her heart than the man in the moon. Frankly, I think she is a lesbian! That is my belief.

I'm not saying that Limbaugh is a bad person. He is a great talk show host! That's it! A talk Show Host! That is what he is. Hell Michael Savage is that! Would he be allowed to soeak at the CPAC... hell no! He's pissed off too many people! By doing what? Telling the exact truth.... exact truth! Only problem is he doesn't candy coat it so it is easy to swallow!

Conservatives have lost touch with what liberty really is. It isn't an adjusted aparatus, carved out each election cycle to suit an agenda capable of competing for votes. It is what it is! Liberty cannot have compromise! NONE! An inch is a mile when defining the compromise I am talking about. When he endorses a Flat Tax, says it outright, I can quote it and he talks about it every day, as I do to my friends and family, I'll believe his words from his speech that he thinks we are all equal and he wants everyone to prosper, despite their race etc,..... When he says he supports the abolishment of the "War on Drugs", the waste of our money and it's ill effect on society and the destruction of the American family, then I'll listen. When he says he does not support roadblocks, random drug testing, polygraph testing for emloyees and applicants and does not support Wars in countries we aren't living in, then I might say I agree with Rush.

I am a Libertarian. He is a Republican. There are allot of differences! A Republican is a compromised Libertarian!

emmett

03-01-2009, 10:43 AM

I love your banner though!

red states rule

03-01-2009, 10:48 AM

Words are words RSR! Rush, as a professional, has many of them. He is an entertainer, a radio host.

Yes Rush said a allot of things I agree with. If I didn't know he was a power monger I could accept them much easier. However, when it comes down to cases he will be the same type of hypocrit as others. Remember his drug problem? Remember his change of heart about how "druggies" should go to jail...... PERIOD! Well.... when he had a problem, all that changed!

That was number 1! Number 2 is that I don't trust him! I just flat don't trust him! His blowhard mentality reminds me of Ann Coulter who uses conservatives as a mechanism to make money.... that's all! She is no more a conservative in her heart than the man in the moon. Frankly, I think she is a lesbian! That is my belief.

I'm not saying that Limbaugh is a bad person. He is a great talk show host! That's it! A talk Show Host! That is what he is. Hell Michael Savage is that! Would he be allowed to soeak at the CPAC... hell no! He's pissed off too many people! By doing what? Telling the exact truth.... exact truth! Only problem is he doesn't candy coat it so it is easy to swallow!

Conservatives have lost touch with what liberty really is. It isn't an adjusted aparatus, carved out each election cycle to suit an agenda capable of competing for votes. It is what it is! Liberty cannot have compromise! NONE! An inch is a mile when defining the compromise I am talking about. When he endorses a Flat Tax, says it outright, I can quote it and he talks about it every day, as I do to my friends and family, I'll believe his words from his speech that he thinks we are all equal and he wants everyone to prosper, despite their race etc,..... When he says he supports the abolishment of the "War on Drugs", the waste of our money and it's ill effect on society and the destruction of the American family, then I'll listen. When he says he does not support roadblocks, random drug testing, polygraph testing for emloyees and applicants and does not support Wars in countries we aren't living in, then I might say I agree with Rush.

I am a Libertarian. He is a Republican. There are allot of differences! A Republican is a compromised Libertarian!

Rush was talking about hard drugs and repeat offenders. Going thru my cancer and operations, I damn near got hooked on pain killers. Rush admitted his issue, took treatment, and is recovered

Power monger? Where do you get that from? Rush is an example of what anyone can accomplish in America. He employes peoples, the stations that carry his show employ people, and the companies that run ads on his show prosper and employ people

Rush has created alot of wealth in this country, and libs want to destroy him, and people like him

Rush has no desire to enter politics, but he has a desire for America to prosper and grow. He wants as many people in Ameirca to prosepr and grow. Unlike Obama and Dems who want to punish achievement, and take away the desire for people to make it without governemnt help

Rush is telling us what liberal police will do to America. Just wait until the Executive branch of government controlls the Census, and not the Legislative branch, and more illegals flood the country who will vote liberal. People like Rush who informed on today's world are mad as hell about the changes in the United States and our liberties, and freedoms.

Those who are apathetic and uniformed are still drinking kool-aid and thinking they will be taken care of by the government. If all of the working class and wealthy are robbed of their savings, this could be a reality!

You are forking over more tax money with the bailouts to make sure everybody has some of your wealth that you earned with hard work and sweat. Including the no account companies who bailed out the Mortgage loans that should never have been given out

red states rule

03-01-2009, 10:49 AM

I love your banner though!

Thank you.

The defeat of Marxistic authoritarian central control is always a good thing

emmett

03-01-2009, 11:11 AM

If I had not spent so much time listening to him I would agree. Like I said, I don't disagree with that much that he said but I've heard some things out of mouth that bother me through the years.

Ah.... he did say that about "druggies" my friend. I believe his quote was "a druggie is a druggie, no matter how they got started". In this application, this would have applied to you and anyone else who had as a result of a medical condition become addicted to the soothing effect of relieved pain. Hell, it could happen to anyone. I understand it as well, maybe not from your prospective but to a smaller degree.

When I was young I was a mover for United Van Lines. Having justy gotten out of the service (US Navy 25MAR76 - 02OCT79), I decided to buy a truck and see the country at 21 years of age. I had just got married and wanted to make a little more money than the offerings of jobs that were available in JC's screwed up economy. Jobs were scarce as I am sure you remember. While I was in Baltimore unloading a shipment during bad weather I had had trouble finding any "lumper labor" so had to unload by myself. In doing so I had to stack some heavy stuff I wouldn't normally have had to do by myself and a big motorized OS Chair fell on me from about a 9 ft height. It weighed around 275 pounds, hit me directly in the spine and damaged two vertebre, leaving one pinching nerves and another cracked. I had to take pain pills and they left me stupid, I hate em! I live with the injury to this day and it is very painful actually. My family has a long history of Osteo and it is apparent in me and getting worse everyday. I've known folks who whined and bitched about their conditions, even applied for disability with conditions like mine but I refuse to be cut on and will live with the pain forever because I can't take pain killers. They eliminate the pain, and for me, that is a bad thing!

The thing is about my statement concerning Rush' staements, he came down hard on drug addiction prior to his own experience. Since then, he hasn't said word number one about the subject. He is against releasing non violent drug offenders and decriminalizing marijuana. I am not! We have differences and more than just this.

Don't misconstrue my point. I don't personally care about drugs. I don't take em, I don't smoke pot and frankly, I don't even drink. Maybe a toddie when I get a cold. My grandma used to feed us a little beer to cleanse our kidneys also. I still will have a beer every two months or so. Hardly ever finish one! My point is strictly from a Libertarian prospective that it is not our right as a people to tell anyone what they should and should not do. At any time unless it restircts another citizen from enjoying his or her own same guarenteed liberty. PERIOD!!! Our prisons are stuffed full of non violent offenders while dangerous ones are on the streets. Support of the War on Drugs does this! He supports the War on Drugs, that is a bigger picture, a major talking point, we differ, that's that, he's wrong, I'm right and until he changes his position, I believe he is compromising the well being of American citizens, plain and simple.

red states rule

03-01-2009, 11:17 AM

emmett

03-01-2009, 11:21 AM

One more point... how many burgleries have resulted while traffic stops were being conducted to randomly "look for dope" in the cars of citizens traveling home from ball games. ANSWER: Bazoodles of em!

How many nurders?
How many rapes?
How many assaults?

How many of these random crimes were perpretrated while police officers were busy sitting on the side of the road conducting speed traps, waiting to issue traffic stops and write tickets instead of cruising neighborhoods, discouraging crime, checking on the elderly, helping stranded notorists (maybe vulnerable females) and other examples?

The search for drugs wastes millions of hours and billions of dollars of taxpayer money that could be spent really detouring crime. Criminals don't like to commit crimes in well patroled neighborhoods. Less of that shit and more resource officers to conduct seminars in schools, educate instead of legislate and serve would be one area where America could overnight inject our crime statistics with a dose of help! In addition, more presence of patroling police would slow down motorists thereby assisting in deterring accidents from speeding!

The War on Drugs is a loser.

red states rule

03-01-2009, 11:23 AM

emmett

03-01-2009, 11:30 AM

I have NEVER done druge either Emmett. I came damn close to geting hooked on the pain killers however, I can se how anyone could given the pain I was in. It lasted for weeks after the surgery

The pain came back and lasted for nearly 7 months. Dr's and test could not determine what was happening and I went through alot of pain meds. Personally, I do not consider pain meds the same as coke, and heroin

The bottom line is, Rush is right.

I just have a hard time understanding why, with all the history available and such libs think they can make socialism work? I agree with Rush, I just can't believe we have to actually fail to prove a point that history has already taught us.

I am hoping for the failure of those that will destroy America. I want America to prosper and thrive, not like it's enemies on the left.

Just as Rush wants them to fail

I don't necessarily think they are enemies. I don't see them that way... nor do I see Republicans that way. What I see is the wrong thing being done in an attempt to do right!

Socialism usually is coated with good intentions. A common good philosophy that some must sacrifice so all can prosper. It sounds good! Hell...it sounds great! I can see how a weak minded person would subscribe to this agenda. They mean well, they want to do good! It's just wrong to get to a point where they think government has an obligation to "take" it because someone needs it. We are better qualified to know what is good for us at each and every given time in our lives.

Flat Taxation would accomplish this objective quite easily! It isn't spread the wealth but would recoup a certain percentage of all dollars necessary to support the basic needs, infrastructure and mechanisms to serve the people. No freebies without a real need. The Liberal phiolosophy tears away from personal responsibility.

I don't believe any American is my enemy! EVER! If they are misinformed, it is my obligation to inform them, and theirs to inform me. We are in a sense... a team! All of us! I can't hate an extremely opposite philosophy or it's messenger, I can continue to disagree until a time when opportunity has proven me right or wrong.

That is how I truly feel! I have no American enemies! People will not listen to someone who classifies themselves as an enemy. I know I wouldn't!

red states rule

03-01-2009, 11:35 AM

I don't necessarily think they are enemies. I don't see them that way... nor do I see Republicans that way. What I see is the wrong thing being done in an attempt to do right!

Socialism usually is coated with good intentions. A common good philosophy that some must sacrifice so all can prosper. It sounds good! Hell...it sounds great! I can see how a weak minded person would subscribe to this agenda. They mean well, they want to do good! It's just wrong to get to a point where they think government has an obligation to "take" it because someone needs it. We are better qualified to know what is good for us at each and every given time in our lives.

Flat Taxation would accomplish this objective quite easily! It isn't spread the wealth but would recoup a certain percentage of all dollars necessary to support the basic needs, infrastructure and mechanisms to serve the people. No freebies without a real need. The Liberal phiolosophy tears away from personal responsibility.

I don't believe any American is my enemy! EVER! If they are misinformed, it is my obligation to inform them, and theirs to inform me. We are in a sense... a team! All of us! I can't hate an extremely opposite philosophy or it's messenger, I can continue to disagree until a time when opportunity has proven me right or wrong.

That is how I truly feel! I have no American enemies! People will not listen to someone who classifies themselves as an enemy. I know I wouldn't!

I do not see liberals as enemies either Emmett. One of close friends is a liberal (Blue states rule) and we share the drive to work 5 days per week

I do however want them politically defeated, and their liberalism to fail

As far as the Republican party - no more moderates for Republicans. There are useless and a drag on the Republican party. My question is where was the leadership, when Palin was fighting for our party?

PostmodernProphet

03-01-2009, 12:31 PM

I What I see is the wrong thing being done in an attempt to do right!

I can perhaps accept that on behalf of the rank and file Democrats that don't take the time to think things through (something I take as symptomatic of rank and file Democrats), but I don't think it's true of the party leadership......you can't become a party leader, even among Democrats, without some level of intelligence.....thus I can only conclude that they do what they do intentionally, despite knowing the damage it will do to the country......

red states rule

03-01-2009, 12:38 PM

The failure of Barry's marxist plans is good for America. Conservatives are invested in the defeat of American socialism

Lizabeth

03-01-2009, 01:03 PM

I speak from experience here....first of all I see how the wire tapping is misused to mainly apprehend so called sex offenders. Drugs.., I have seen numerous cases dismissed on the technicality of "fruit of an illegal search" Well in my opinion, they found it - I don't really care how - it should be admissible. There is no such thing as racial profiling in my opinion...criminal profiling - yes.

The DEA as we know was created by Nixon, and not to be a law enforcement agency but to help military in Viet Nam who became addicted to heroin while serving. When the agency served in that capacity use declined and so did the "Supply & Demand". Treatment is what is needed and education in the schools. The type of treatment programs now don't work. They need to go back to the basics.

I have seen 12 year olds who are snorting heroin! That is a life long addiction for a CHILD to begin dealing with. When we were kids being a "junkie" strung out on heroin was not cool and you were frightened of it. We were told one time could make you addicted for life! That was pretty scary but it worked. Now schools can't scare kids. You have to be honest with them...blah, blah, blah.

You cannot know how many parents I see and hear them say when their kid is sentenced for possession of marijuana...."its just pot!" "I did it as a kid - no big deal." Well it is a big deal. The "pot" today is 100 times more potent with THC due to better growing techniques. A study on Frontline detailed the drug use (pot smoking) of three teenagers. Over an 18 month test period of smoking an average of 1-3 joints weekly they each had half dollar sized holes in the grey matter of their brains. Grey matter does not regenerate. These kids are tomorrow's mentally ill and unemployable social security disability beneficiaries.

red states rule

03-01-2009, 01:13 PM

Best push of a political agenda in a motion picture:
"MILK"

Best Actor:
Barack Obama in Hope and Change

Best Supporting Actor:
mainstream Media in Hope and Change

Best Actress:
Barney Frank in Stimulus Package

Best Foreign Film:
Honey, I Shrunk the Border Fence by The DNC

Best original screenplay:
Barack Obama in Grant Park

http://thepeoplescube.com/images/Oscars_2009_Agitprop.jpg

Lizabeth

03-01-2009, 01:26 PM

Don't ya just love that Clooney missed the Oscars for a very important meeting with Obama and Biden? They assured him they would give full attention to his concerns in Darfur.

Message to George: Do what you know how to do "ACT" (and barely at that). Let's face it Mr. Facts of Life....you are no authority on the politics of Darfur!

Celebrity's should keep their mouths shut. Linda Ronstadt found that out real fast when she was Booed off the stage several years back for trying to get political with her audience...haven't heard a peep from her since.

red states rule

03-01-2009, 01:29 PM

red states rule

03-02-2009, 07:46 AM

and how does the liberal media report on Rush's speech? It looks like they got their talking points from the Obama White House

Obama WH Secret Phone Conferences Bear Fruit With TV Media's Limbaugh Attack
By Warner Todd Huston (Bio | Archive)
March 2, 2009 - 02:53 ET

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Back on January 29, we discussed the daily strategy phone call engineered by Obama's Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel for friendly TV commentators and "reporters." Politico reported that Emanuel has a daily phone conference call with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, and CNN's James Carville and Paul Begala. With Rush Limbaugh's raucous CPAC address, as he termed it his "first address to the nation," we can see at least one example of what is likely an attack strategy resulting from the Emanuel phone session with a rush to bash Rush the day after the appearance. [Image credit: politico.com]

As soon as the sun rose on the day after Limbaugh's CPAC appearance, three of the four of the phone call participants attacked Limbaugh with the same talking points. It seems obvious that they coordinated their attack together in the Obama secret strategy session. It is amazing that a president's staff can have such power over major media figures without a peep being heard from those that only months ago bashed former presidents over a perceived undue, even "dangerous," control of the media.

The morning after Limbaugh's CPAC speech, Obama Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel appeared on CBS News' Face the Nation and told Bob Schieffer that Limbaugh was the "voice of the Republican Party," and that he "hasn't stepped back from" the "hopes for failure" he expressed for Obama's administration.

James Carville, obeying his Obama marching orders, said pretty much the same thing in his CNN commentary headlined, "A history lesson for Rush Limbaugh," where Carville began by saying that Rush is the "moral and intellectual leader and most influential person in the Republican Party."

As for ABC's George Stephanopoulos, he employed the same talking point about Rush's hope that Obama's socialist policies would not succeed -- though it is sure that Stephy didn't call Obama's policies socialist. In an interview with Eric Cantor, Stephanopoulos said, "So the Rush Limbaugh approach of wanting the president to fail is not the Eric Cantor, House Republican approach?"

So, what we see here is the combined attack emanating out of the secret phone call strategy session pushing the themes that Rush is the "voice of the GOP" and that he wants Obama to be a failure -- both talking points that are not exactly in context with the facts. The strategy at work is that these three Democrat activists pretending at members of the media have concocted with the White House through Emanuel an effort to tar all Republicans with the Rush brush.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2009/03/02/obamas-secret-phone-conferences-bear-fruit-tv-medias-limbaugh-at

moderate democrat

03-02-2009, 07:50 AM

red states rule

03-02-2009, 07:55 AM

"...an effort to tar all Republicans with the Rush brush."

correct me if I am wrong, RSR...but don't republicans like you relish the chance to be "tarred with the Rush brush"? Isn't that exactly how you think and feel? Don't you WANT to be considered a loyal dittohead? It would seem that, if there is some concerted effort between the white house and the media to do that, that they are playing right into your hands. Isn't that correct?

There is a big difference these days in the Republican party

There are Republicans

and then their are conservatives. I am conservative like Rush

His speech was spot on, and if any conservative gives the same kind on speech in 2012, he/she will win

Did you bother to listen to the 1 1/2 hour speech, or are you going with what CNN and MSNBC tell you?

red states rule

03-02-2009, 07:56 AM

and speaking of CNN

CNN's Bill Schneider: Limbaugh Speech Was 'Angry, Mocking, Bullying, Harsh, and Full of Contempt'
By P.J. Gladnick | March 1, 2009 - 10:09

It appears that Rush Limbaugh's speech yesterday to the Conservative Political Action Committee (CPAC) was just too much for CNN's political analyst, Bill Schneider, to handle. Schneider just couldn't contain his inner liberal as you can hear in the amazing invective hurled Limbaugh's way in this video as he was interviewed by Randi Kaye about the speech. Here is the transcript of Schneider in all his extremely biased glory:
RANDI KAYE, CNN HOST: Senior political analyst, Bill Schneider, watched it from Los Angeles. He's part of the best political team on television and he joins me now by phone. Bill, what do you make of Rush Limbaugh's tone during that keynote address?

BILL SCHNEIDER: Well, it was an angry tone. He was the hero of 1994. Fifteen years ago when Republicans won a big victory in Congress. And that was the year of the angry white men. When they came to power they honored him as being the prophet who led them to victory. Well, this was a very angry speech. By the way, they're not all white and they're not all men but they are angry conservative voters. They didn't do so well last year but they're still angry. The tone of this speech was mocking, bullying, it was full of contempt, and I thought it was a very harsh speech. One that while it rallied the conservative audience it also angered a lot of Democrats and people who aren't particularly partisan just by the tone of it.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2009/03/01/cnns-bill-schneider-limbaugh-speech-was-angry-mocking-bullying-harsh-f

moderate democrat

03-02-2009, 08:05 AM

There is a big difference these days in the Republican party

There are Republicans

and then their are conservatives. I am conservative like Rush

His speech was spot on, and if any conservative gives the same kind on speech in 2012, he/she will win

Did you bother to listen to the 1 1/2 hour speech, or are you going with what CNN and MSNBC tell you?

well...of course I did not listen to Rush's speech, anymore than you would sit and listen to a one and a half hour Randi Rhodes speech. I also didn't spend any time letting a cable news network "tell " me what he said. I merely pointed out that, if it is the plan of the white house to tar republicans with the rush brush, that seems to be playing into your hands. wouldn't you agree?

red states rule

03-02-2009, 08:10 AM

well...of course I did not listen to Rush's speech, anymore than you would sit and listen to a one and a half hour Randi Rhodes speech. I also didn't spend any time letting a cable news network "tell " me what he said. I merely pointed out that, if it is the plan of the white house to tar republicans with the rush brush, that seems to be playing into your hands. wouldn't you agree?

I have listened to libs on the radio. I car poll with a liberal. I hear them. They are in power yet they are still full of rage. They do not like dissent

Again there is a difference between Republicans and conservatives. Rush makes that point in the first link below

Like most libs, you think you know what Rush said. You think he was angry - but he was not

Here are a couple of segments of the speech, and if you listen - you tell me if Rush was angry

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moderate democrat

03-02-2009, 09:17 AM

red states rule

03-02-2009, 09:22 AM

I don't care if Rush is angry...I listen to Rush twice a week at least...I know his act. My only question to you was....as a conservative who agrees with Rush Limbaugh, are you or are you not pleased with the fact that you are being tarred with the Rush brush? Don't you see that as a good thing?

Eh, once again Rush is not angry. He has his usual self. Happy, jolly, and told it like it is

I agree with Rush on many issues - some I do not

I do laugh now over the Obama approved talking point on the speech On Face the Nation, Rahm Emanuel said Rush Limbaugh is the 'face of the Republican Party".

Seems liberals need a straw-man to beat up on. Rush is not the "face" of anything but his own radio program.

If you want anger, look at the liberal medias coverage of the speech, and how the Obamabots are reacting

They do not want to debate the points Rush made, only attack. Which is normal for them

moderate democrat

03-02-2009, 09:24 AM

Eh, once again Rush is not angry. He has his usual self. Happy, jolly, and told it like it is

I agree with Rush on many issues - some I do not

I do laugh now over the Obama approved talking point on the speech On Face the Nation, Rahm Emanuel said Rush Limbaugh is the 'face of the Republican Party".

Seems liberals need a straw-man to beat up on. Rush is not the "face" of anything but his own radio program.

If you want anger, look at the liberal medias coverage of the speech, and how the Obamabots are reacting

They do not want to debate the points Rush made, only attack. Which is normal for them

I never said Rush was angry. He clearly seemed to strike a pretty powerful chord at CPAC. He seems like a pretty important spokesman.

And again... you avoid my question. why IS that?

red states rule

03-02-2009, 09:26 AM

I never said Rush was angry. He clearly seemed to strike a pretty powerful chord at CPAC. He seems like a pretty important spokesman.

And again... you avoid my question. why IS that?

Originally Posted by moderate democrat
I don't care if Rush is angry.

You did say he was angry

I did anser your question. I like Rush, I listen to him, but I do not agree with all his views

Rush struck a chord because he is a CONSERVATIVE, and spoke about CONSERVATIVE beliefs

moderate democrat

03-02-2009, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by moderate democrat
I don't care if Rush is angry.

You did say he was angry

I did anser your question. I like Rush, I listen to him, but I do not agree with all his views

Rush struck a chord because he is a CONSERVATIVE, and spoke about CONSERVATIVE beliefs

no...I didn't say he was angry.

now if I had said "I don't care THAT Rush is angry", you would be correct... but replace "THAT" with the original "IF" and you are incorrect. IF he is angry, I don't care. See the difference? I try to speak precisely. It requires, however, that you read with precision as well.

Do you think that it is good for the republican party to have the country think that they all are fairly united around the thinking of Rush Limbaugh...i.e. "tarred with the rush brush"? yes or no?

red states rule

03-02-2009, 09:39 AM

no...I didn't say he was angry.

now if I had said "I don't care THAT Rush is angry", you would be correct... but replace "THAT" with the original "IF" and you are incorrect. IF he is angry, I don't care. See the difference? I try to speak precisely. It requires, however, that you read with precision as well.

Do you think that it is good for the republican party to have the country think that they all are fairly united around the thinking of Rush Limbaugh...i.e. "tarred with the rush brush"? yes or no?

More lame spin, You got caught up in the liberal medias talking points

IF Republicans had listened to Rush, Obama would not have won the election, and we would not have had an idiot like McCain as the pary's candidate

Libs hate to be called liberals, I like to be called an conservatives. It does not bother me.

moderate democrat

03-02-2009, 09:43 AM

More lame spin, You got caught up in the liberal medias talking points

IF Republicans had listened to Rush, Obama would not have won the election, and we would not have had an idiot like McCain as the pary's candidate

Libs hate to be called liberals, I like to be called an conservatives. It does not bother me.

not lame spin at all. I did not say that Rush was angry. period. I said, IF he is, I don't care. If he ISN'T, I don't care either. I listen to him. I think he is funny.

So you AGREE with me that this effort by the white house to tar all republicans with the rush brush has the potential to be terribly counterproductive to their obvious goals? thank you.

red states rule

03-02-2009, 09:47 AM

not lame spin at all. I did not say that Rush was angry. period. I said, IF he is, I don't care. If he ISN'T, I don't care either. I listen to him. I think he is funny.

So you AGREE with me that this effort by the white house to tar all republicans with the rush brush has the potential to be terribly counterproductive to their obvious goals? thank you.

You said he was angry, like most in the liberal media. Once again, you like most in your party, have no desire to debate the logical points Rush made

Even though your side is in power, your anger shows thru. Looking at the results and the tanking Dow (it is now below 7,000 as I type this) I can see why?

Keep trying to pass the buck, and blame others for the problems your messiah is having

moderate democrat

03-02-2009, 09:49 AM

You said he was angry, like most in the liberal media. Once again, you like most in your party, have no desire to debate the logical points Rush made

Even though your side is in power, your anger shows thru. Looking at the results and the tanking Dow (it is now below 7,000 as I type this) I can see why?

Keep trying to pass the buck, and blame others for the problems your messiah is having

no. I did not say he was angry. learn to read. I said IF he was angry, I did not care.

red states rule

03-02-2009, 09:54 AM

no. I did not say he was angry. learn to read. I said IF he was angry, I did not care.

Facts never did matter to you. Only what your marching orders are from your party, and the approved talking points

moderate democrat

03-02-2009, 09:58 AM

Facts never did matter to you. Only what your marching orders are from your party, and the approved talking points

the FACT is, I did not say that Rush was angry. I realize that you don't like to admit that your third grade level english skills caused you to misread what I had written, but it is true, nonetheless.

I get no marching orders from anyone...and unlike you, I write ALL my own material.:laugh2:

red states rule

03-02-2009, 09:59 AM

the FACT is, I did not say that Rush was angry. I realize that you don't like to admit that your third grade level english skills caused you to misread what I had written, but it is true, nonetheless.

I get no marching orders from anyone...and unlike you, I write ALL my own material.:laugh2:

No back to the insults and attacks. Yes, you write your own material while drunk on Scotch, Obama Kool Aid, and salted peanuts :laugh2:

After Rush's speech I see why Dems want to silence people like Rush via the Fairness Doctrine

moderate democrat

03-02-2009, 10:04 AM

No back to the insults and attacks. Yes, you write your own material while drunk on Scotch, Obama Kool Aid, and salted peanuts :laugh2:

After Rush's speech I see why Dems want to silence people like Rush via the Fairness Doctrine

I am not insulting you RSR... I am merely pointing out the obvious: your command of the english language is not all that great. I did NOT say that Rush was angry. That's a fact.

And I would NEVER want to silence Rush. I understand that he charges up the base of the republican party, and I am perfectly happy if he does so. It is my belief that, while he may charge up your base, he does nothing to EXPAND your base, and does, in fact, have the counter-effect of annoying moderate republicans and independents. I really HOPE you all can follow Rush all the way to 2012 and let Rush annoint your next candidate. Really I do. I wish you, and Rush, boatloads of success.

red states rule

03-02-2009, 10:07 AM

I am not insulting you RSR... I am merely pointing out the obvious: your command of the english language is not all that great. I did NOT say that Rush was angry. That's a fact.

And I would NEVER want to silence Rush. I understand that he charges up the base of the republican party, and I am perfectly happy if he does so. It is my belief that, while he may charge up your base, he does nothing to EXPAND your base, and does, in fact, have the counter-effect of annoying moderate republicans and independents. I really HOPE you all can follow Rush all the way to 2012 and let Rush annoint your next candidate. Really I do. I wish you, and Rush, boatloads of success.

The GOP would fair well IF Rush Limbaugh was "the face of the GOP". Sadly, the "face of the GOP" remains John McCain and his "moderate" friends.

It's not about Republican....it's about conservative....

Rahm is trying to paint a picture of the Republican party to instigate the liberal base, who absolutely HATE Limbaugh.

In the same vane, would Democrats acknowledge Obama as "the face of the Democratic party"?

Many Dems who are drunk with power are trying to bring back the Fairness Doctrine. there are hearings on "radio accountablity"

Even though Obama said he was against the Fairness Doctrine, he has lied son many times, and broke so many promises in such a short period of time - I doubt he would keep that promise

moderate democrat

03-02-2009, 10:15 AM

The GOP would fair well IF Rush Limbaugh was "the face of the GOP". Sadly, the "face of the GOP" remains John McCain and his "moderate" friends.

It's not about Republican....it's about conservative....

Rahm is trying to paint a picture of the Republican party to instigate the liberal base, who absolutely HATE Limbaugh.

In the same vane, would Democrats acknowledge Obama as "the face of the Democratic party"?

Many Dems who are drunk with power are trying to bring back the Fairness Doctrine. there are hearings on "radio accountablity"

Even though Obama said he was against the Fairness Doctrine, he has lied son many times, and broke so many promises in such a short period of time - I doubt he would keep that promise

conservatives in America have to chose a party or make their own. My guess is that they are going to stay with the GOP. And if they DO, they need to accept the fact that their party is a tent big enough to hold a lot of moderates as well.

Clearly... I WANT Rush to be seen as not only the face of the conservatives, but the face of the GOP as well. As I said, I think that works well for the democrats.

And I am perfectly happy with the democratic president being seen as the face of my party. He is a smart guy and a popular guy and I think that he'll do a good job. Time will tell, however.

red states rule

03-02-2009, 10:20 AM

conservatives in America have to chose a party or make their own. My guess is that they are going to stay with the GOP. And if they DO, they need to accept the fact that their party is a tent big enough to hold a lot of moderates as well.

Clearly... I WANT Rush to be seen as not only the face of the conservatives, but the face of the GOP as well. As I said, I think that works well for the democrats.

And I am perfectly happy with the democratic president being seen as the face of my party. He is a smart guy and a popular guy and I think that he'll do a good job. Time will tell, however.

Yea, look at the RESULTS of Obama's time in office. Dems have spent MORE money in 30 days then Bush spent in Iraq, and Afghanistan COMBI*NED

The Dow is down to record lows

Various picks for jobs busted as tax cheats

A budget of $3.66 trillion - and a deficit of $1.5 trillion

A long list of broken promises

Yep, I want him as the face of your party as well. I would love to see Obama debate Rush on the issues. But without the tleprompter, obama would be like a fish out of water

crin63

03-02-2009, 10:25 AM

Whats unfortunate is that Rush is the closest thing America has to a conservative educator. He's the closest thing to an honest education regarding politics in America today. Thats a shame.

red states rule

03-02-2009, 10:28 AM

Whats unfortunate is that Rush is the closest thing America has to a conservative educator. He's the closest thing to an honest education regarding politics in America today. Thats a shame.

In 1994, Republicans were conservatives. Like Dems they became arrogant and power hungry

They lost the last 2 elections because they woulf not go back to Reagan conservatism - which is always a winner

Now we have to endure the 4 years of Obama, and now is the time for the party to return to their roots

Of course libs sneer how conservatives need to dump Reagan conservatism - yet when Dems were losing elections I never heard a single lib say they had to dump FDR liberalism

moderate democrat

03-02-2009, 10:30 AM

Yep, I want him as the face of your party as well. I would love to see Obama debate Rush on the issues. But without the tleprompter, obama would be like a fish out of water

So, I am happy that Obama is the face of my party and Rush is the face of yours... and vice versa.

we agree on something!:beer:

crin63

03-02-2009, 10:41 AM

In 1994, Republicans were conservatives. Like Dems they became arrogant and power hungry

They lost the last 2 elections because they woulf not go back to Reagan conservatism - which is always a winner

Now we have to endure the 4 years of Obama, and now is the time for the party to return to their roots

Of course libs sneer how conservatives need to dump Reagan conservatism - yet when Dems were losing elections I never heard a single lib say they had to dump FDR liberalism

I agree that actual conservatism can win and that we have not seen conservatives for a very long time. The republican morons started acting like power hungry dems.

I love that Rush is a thorn in the side of liberals. They wouldn't attack him all the time if he wasn't.

avatar4321

03-02-2009, 02:01 PM

exactly what did Rush say that was so wrong?

Is there something wrong with life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

moderate democrat

03-02-2009, 02:07 PM

exactly what did Rush say that was so wrong?

Is there something wrong with life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

who said that Rush said anything WRONG? Certainly not ME.

Little-Acorn

03-02-2009, 03:19 PM

how pathetic....in another thread you claimed i mentioned your identity, i did not and asked you to show me were in that post i did...then you claimed

Looks like mfm (or "moderate dem" or whatever he's calling himself after his last banning) has successfully hijacked yet another thread, diverting it to

I didn't say that
yes you did
no i didn't
yes you did and i can prove it
well you said it worse
no i didn't
you suck
well you suck worse
etc.

...and Yurt has fallen right into his trap once again, trying to "prove" something to him that he hasn't the slightest interest in, enabling him to keep the irrelevence going forever.

Could you two please take your purse fight to another thread?

Back to the subject:
I've heard some exerpts from Limbaugh's speech, sounds like a real barn-burner. And today on his radio show he said that a sleeping giant has now been awakened - the basic conservatives that most people really are.

I wouldn't go quite that far. Though most Americans definitely are conservative (as Limbaugh points out, how many people pick up their paychecks on Friday and immediately go out and start handing out parts of it to homeless people, sick people, etc.? How many pack condoms in their 14-year-old daughter's bag with her homework and school lunch? How many will rob their neighbor to hand the money to a woman in some other part of the city who keeps having babies out of wedlock with no means of supporting them?), and some simply vote in ways directly contradictory to their personal beliefs, Limbaugh has mistaken the thunderous applause he received at CPAC, for national support.

At CPAC he was preaching to the choir, of course he got their support. But not many others have even heard his speech. Very few people watch C-SPAN, and very few people watch CNN any more. CNN broadcasting him was a surprise, but their audience is less than a tenth of the size of Limbaugh's usual audience. His speech basically cheered up the people who already agreed with him. Be nice if he got a few more from CNN, but basically there hasn't been a sea change in national feeling. If things keep tanking as they have been, people might start having second thoughts about Democrats. Unfortunately, that kind of pain might be necessary before wes start realizing, as a people, that the huge spending of Obama, Pelosi, and GWB causes harm, not help.

Limbaugh is pushing hard, of course, and he's doing great work. But to think that he has been the hair that has finally broken the camel's back, is a little premature, to put it mildly. Limbaugh has always been self-confident, to the point of arrogance. It's one of his appealing qualities, more so since he is usually right. But we have a ways to go before the American people quit voting for people who promise "new" things and then hand us the same old, tired liberalism after they get elected.

Genuine change (that is, a return to sanity and conservatism) may come. But not soon. There's a lot of pain to go through before people finally get it together.

moderate democrat

03-02-2009, 03:53 PM

Back to the subject:
I've heard some exerpts from Limbaugh's speech, sounds like a real barn-burner. And today on his radio show he said that a sleeping giant has now been awakened - the basic conservatives that most people really are.

I wouldn't go quite that far. Though most Americans definitely are conservative (as Limbaugh points out, how many people pick up their paychecks on Friday and immediately go out and start handing out parts of it to homeless people, sick people, etc.? How many pack condoms in their 14-year-old daughter's bag with her homework and school lunch? How many will rob their neighbor to hand the money to a woman in some other part of the city who keeps having babies out of wedlock with no means of supporting them?), and some simply vote in ways directly contradictory to their personal beliefs, Limbaugh has mistaken the thunderous applause he received at CPAC, for national support.

At CPAC he was preaching to the choir, of course he got their support. But not many others have even heard his speech. Very few people watch C-SPAN, and very few people watch CNN any more. CNN broadcasting him was a surprise, but their audience is less than a tenth of the size of Limbaugh's usual audience. His speech basically cheered up the people who already agreed with him. Be nice if he got a few more from CNN, but basically there hasn't been a sea change in national feeling. If things keep tanking as they have been, people might start having second thoughts about Democrats. Unfortunately, that kind of pain might be necessary before wes start realizing, as a people, that the huge spending of Obama, Pelosi, and GWB causes harm, not help.

Limbaugh is pushing hard, of course, and he's doing great work. But to think that he has been the hair that has finally broken the camel's back, is a little premature, to put it mildly. Limbaugh has always been self-confident, to the point of arrogance. It's one of his appealing qualities, more so since he is usually right. But we have a ways to go before the American people quit voting for people who promise "new" things and then hand us the same old, tired liberalism after they get elected.

Genuine change (that is, a return to sanity and conservatism) may come. But not soon. There's a lot of pain to go through before people finally get it together.

I agree with yoiur premise as to the limited impact this speech will have. As I have tried to say in this thread, I believe that Rush is extremely successful in energizing the conservative wing of the republican party. But he does little to expand the base and may, in fact, shrink it a bit.

Kathianne

03-02-2009, 04:02 PM

Many posts (13), have been moved to cage. Anyone else jumping in with like posts, will be thread banned on this one. Go to cage.

Yurt

03-02-2009, 04:27 PM

what exactly rush say that is wrong, offensive, etc...

avatar4321

03-02-2009, 04:41 PM

who said that Rush said anything WRONG? Certainly not ME.

Then what the heck can you possibly be disagreeing with him about???

Yurt

03-02-2009, 05:09 PM

Then what the heck can you possibly be disagreeing with him about???

good point! my guess is mod dem is party over country, rush is a republican so mod dem hates him.

moderate democrat

03-02-2009, 05:18 PM

Then what the heck can you possibly be disagreeing with him about???

where in this thread have I disagreed with Rush about anything? My first entry in this thread was #26 and I pointed out that republicans should be happy with the efforts of the liberal media and the white house to "tar them with the Rush brush".

moderate democrat

03-02-2009, 05:19 PM

good point! my guess is mod dem is party over country, rush is a republican so mod dem hates him.

find one post from me in this thread that displays any hatred for rush. I dare ya.

avatar4321

03-02-2009, 06:03 PM

where in this thread have I disagreed with Rush about anything? My first entry in this thread was #26 and I pointed out that republicans should be happy with the efforts of the liberal media and the white house to "tar them with the Rush brush".

If it doesnt apply to you why the hell are you responding as if it did?

Yurt

03-02-2009, 06:06 PM

find one post from me in this thread that displays any hatred for rush. I dare ya.

so you don't hate him? so you don't think he is wrong?

yes or no

btw, how hard was it to refrain from saying:

i'll wait

Little-Acorn

03-02-2009, 06:13 PM

Most of Limbaugh's audience, of course, listens to him ,not because they agree with him, but because he agrees with them.

He hasn't changed many people's minds, I'd guess. Personally, I started listening when my sister strongly recommended him. I thought, great, last thing I need is to hear a bunch of people ignorant of what's going on, calling in to expound on what's goingon. I'm plenty ignorant enough, and I don't need more of it. But I tuned in, just to see why my sister was so up on him.

When I found the station on the dial, I heard a man talking about racism, and more importantly about DESCRIPTIONS of racism. He was saying that a lot of people get annoyed when they hear themselves called "racist" when they're not, called
"bigoted" when in fact they never pay attention to someone's race or color.

That got my attention. I had never heard such a sentiment expressed on the air. Only descriptions of this racist or that one, how much "we" owed minorities, how oppressed they are, etc. The idea that most people are NOT racist, though I knew it well, had never been expressed in a public forum that I'd heard.

Limbaugh didn't convert me to any new ideas, or to anything I hadn't previously believed. Rather, I simply found him saying things I'd always agreed with... things that had never bee aired where I could hear them publicly.

Presently he has some 20,000,000 listeners. Sounds like a lot, but that means there are 280,000,000 Americans who DON'T listen to him. I mentioned him to my mother at one point, and she said she didn't bother listening to him because he was way too sure of himself, "conceited", she finally said. Not a surprising reaction - Limbaugh is VERY sure he is right, and couldn't run a radio show as he does, without it.

My point in mentioning dear old Mom, is to point out that there could be a number of people who agree with Limbaugh's sentiments, but who don't like to listen to him.

As mentioned earlier, most Americans are conservatives. That is, they live their lives conservatively. The pay their bills on time, pull their own weight, and don't expect their neighbors to pitch in and help them. They contribute to charities, and DO help their friends and neighbors when they need it, but frown on anyone trying to FORCE them to do those things... just as they frown on the idea of their neighbors being FORCED to help them, even when they need help.

That some of these people turn around and vote for politicians who promise to do exactly that, through liberal tax increases, welfare programs, and government-coerced "spread the wealth" programs, is an enduring mystery. These are people who would never steal a dollar from their neighbor themselves, but who have no problem voting for politicians to do it for them.

Many have drunk the standard Kool-aide of "Conservatives are terrible, heartless, and evil, and Limbaugh is the worst of the worst of them". To a man, they have not listened to Limbaugh, but simply take the word of those benevolent politicians that it must be so; and so they stay away.

There's a great pool of conservatives out ther who currently don't vote conservative. Many of them don't because they have noticed that no conservatives have run for major office in the last few elections. Others don't because of their Kool-aide beliefs. But all of them can come out for conservatism, once they see one with the amount of media backing Barack Obama got, combined with the conservatism of a Ron Paul with a little common sense mixed in.

Only problem is, it's going to be a LONG time before the former shows up, and an unknown amount of time before the latter does.

Modern liberalism has peaked. We will never see a modern-liberal candidate get as many votes as Barack Obama did, ever again. Whether we start seeing a conservative (i.e. a smaller-govt, freedom-and-personal-responsibility avocate) do it, remains to be seen. First we have to find one.

moderate democrat

03-02-2009, 09:25 PM

so you don't hate him? so you don't think he is wrong?

yes or no

btw, how hard was it to refrain from saying:

i'll wait

you are the one who claimed to KNOW my feelings for the man...either find a post where I say I hate him, or retract you lie. simple as that.

Silver

03-02-2009, 11:20 PM

The silly disguise peels away with every post you make.....:lol:

An asshole by any other name is still an.........asshole.!

red states rule

03-03-2009, 06:38 AM

There were many other speakers at CPAC - John Bolton, Mike Pence, Mike Huckabee, Joe Scarborough, Michael Steele, Newt Gingrich, and others.

What is really telling is the only one of these that gets any media attention is Rush.

I wonder why?

Of course, one could say people like Michael Moore, and groups like Daily Kos, and Dem Underground are the face; and respresent, the Dem party

moderate democrat

03-03-2009, 07:17 AM

I don't know many other speakers at CPAC who received as much negative feedback from prominent republicans. THAT is what was making news last night.

red states rule

03-03-2009, 07:20 AM

I don't know many other speakers at CPAC who received as much negative feedback from prominent republicans. THAT is what was making news last night.

As I said before there is a huge differecne between Republicnas and conservatives. McCain was loved and adored by libs - right up to the very moment he won the nomination

Now he knows first hand about liberal love and tolerance

moderate democrat

03-03-2009, 07:23 AM

As I said before there is a huge differecne between Republicnas and conservatives. McCain was loved and adored by libs - right up to the very moment he won the nomination

Now he knows first hand about liberal love and tolerance

the chairman of the RNC went after Rush. I thought you liked that guy. The house minority whip went after Rush... I thought you like THAT guy!

red states rule

03-03-2009, 07:26 AM

the chairman of the RNC went after Rush. I thought you liked that guy. The house minority whip went after Rush... I thought you like THAT guy!

Yes I like Steele, but for some reason, like McCAan, he thinks the party can make nice to Dems

Right now we have a Chicago street thug in the Oval office, and we saw what happened when McCain ran a "respectable" campaign

And what did Rush say that was wrong? He spoke conseravtive principals, and if Mr Steele has an issue with that - he has learned from history either

PostmodernProphet

03-03-2009, 07:27 AM

the chairman of the RNC went after Rush. I thought you liked that guy. The house minority whip went after Rush... I thought you like THAT guy!

I'd like them even better if they stood up to the Democrats.....they need to grow some balls......the unanimous vote against the stimulus package was a good start.....

red states rule

03-03-2009, 07:29 AM

I'd like them even better if they stood up to the Democrats.....they need to grow some balls......the unanimous vote against the stimulus package was a good start.....

and Steele said he might hold back party funding fin the next election for the Three Stooges in the Senate who voted for the mega pork bill

Another good move

moderate democrat

03-03-2009, 07:29 AM

Yes I like Stele, but for some reason, like McCAan, he thinks the party can make nice to Dems

Right now we have a Chicago street thug in the Oval office, and we saw what happened when McCain ran a "respectable" campaign

And what did Rush say that was wrong? He spoke conseravtive principals, and if Mr Steele has an issue with that - he has learned from history either

again...when have I EVER said that Rush said anything wrong....except, perhaps,for mistaking the Declaration of Independence for the Preamble of the Constitution? I have absolutely NO problem with Rush and Newt being the voices of the Republican party. I think you SHOULD go back and be the party of angry white men again... I LIKE that idea and applaud any efforts that Rush and his ilk can accomplish in that regard.

red states rule

03-03-2009, 07:32 AM

again...when have I EVER said that Rush said anything wrong....except, perhaps,for mistaking the Declaration of Independence for the Preamble of the Constitution? I have absolutely NO problem with Rush and Newt being the voices of the Republican party. I think you SHOULD go back and be the party of angry white men again... I LIKE that idea and applaud any efforts that Rush and his ilk can accomplish in that regard.

So now we are angry?

You also left out how we are racists :rolleyes:

Looks to me you libs are the ones who are angry. Anytime anyone speaks out against Obama, you guys flip out. I rememebr during the last 8 years dissent was cool on the left - now it is unacceptable

moderate democrat

03-03-2009, 07:36 AM

So now we are angry?

You also left out how we are racists :rolleyes:

Looks to me you libs are the ones who are angry. Anytime anyone speaks out against Obama, you guys flip out. I rememebr during the last 8 years dissent was cool on the left - now it is unacceptable

I am not flipping out. I applaud Rush's efforts to define your party. I have no problem with disagreeing with Obama...I DO have a problem with expressing a desire that the country fail for partisan gain.

and you guys aren't necessarily racists....black folks would just rather poke their eyes out than vote for you, that's all. :lol:

red states rule

03-03-2009, 07:37 AM

I am not flipping out. I applaud Rush's efforts to define your party. I have no problem with disagreeing with Obama...I DO have a problem with expressing a desire that the country fail for partisan gain.

I am hoping Obama fails for the sake of the country.

moderate democrat

03-03-2009, 07:38 AM

I am hoping Obama fails for the sake of the country.

if Obama's stimulus package fails, America suffers grave damage. THAT is what you want!

red states rule

03-03-2009, 07:40 AM

if Obama's stimulus package fails, America suffers grave damage. THAT is what you want!

IT IS FAILING ALREADY

Only libs who want bigger government and more government power like this bill. The people and companies who make America work do not - and they are showing it

moderate democrat

03-03-2009, 07:42 AM

IT IS FAILING ALREADY

Only libs who want bigger government and more government power like this bill. The people and companies who make America work do not - and they are showing it

again...don't judge a cake while it is sill room temperature batter.

the stimulus package has not gotten out the door...you WANT it to fail...you WANT America to suffer so that your party will gain. truly sick.

red states rule

03-03-2009, 07:45 AM

again...don't judge a cake while it is sill room temperature batter.

the stimulus package has not gotten out the door...you WANT it to fail...you WANT America to suffer so that your party will gain. truly sick.

Eh, most of the so called stimulus money will not be spent until NEXT YEAR

However, Obama wants his tax increases NOW

Obama and Dems think the answer to the economy's issues is free contraception, resurfacing playgrounds and lighting bike paths.

moderate democrat

03-03-2009, 07:49 AM

Eh, most of the so called stimulus money will not be spent until NEXT YEAR

However, Obama wants his tax increases NOW

Obama and Dems think the answer to the economy's issues is free contraception, resurfacing playgrounds and lighting bike paths.

the point is: the country elected a leader...the country is in crisis... congres has passed a bill and the leader has signed it into law that is their best effort at trying to save the economy of this nation....and YOU want that plan to fail.

In the midst of the Iraq war and the Fallujah insurgency, NO democrats were hoping that the marines would FAIL on the battlefield.

your uber-partisanship is truly repugnant.

red states rule

03-03-2009, 07:54 AM

the point is: the country elected a leader...the country is in crisis... congres has passed a bill and the leader has signed it into law that is their best effort at trying to save the economy of this nation....and YOU want that plan to fail.

In the midst of the Iraq war and the Fallujah insurgency, NO democrats were hoping that the marines would FAIL on the battlefield.

your uber-partisanship is truly repugnant.

Again, libs elected a messiah - the rest of us are looking for a leader

I do want Obama's socialsim and Dems tax and spend BS to fail. It will and is, making things worse

For you to say libs did not want failure in Iraq flies in the face of facts. Libs did their best to undermine the troops and Pres Bush - but the troops won despiste your party's best efforts

moderate democrat

03-03-2009, 07:57 AM

red states rule

03-03-2009, 08:00 AM

he is your president. you want the country to fail in its economic recovery. that's fact. party over country. you make me ill.

democrats wanted to change the mission in Iraq...NONE of us wanted our troops to fail in THEIR efforts.

How's Obama going to pay for everything he has promised? You'd think such a mundane detail would be well known

As far as Iraq, well he had Harry "the war is lost" Reid; Kery calling our trops uneducated and terrorists; Den Durbin comparing them to Nazi's and Pol Pol; and signs like this at anti war/pro terrorist rallies

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3429/3296589655_2ebee409c5.jpg?v=0

moderate democrat

03-03-2009, 08:14 AM

a picture of anarchists is not indicative of democrats.

That is typical RSR bullshit.

red states rule

03-03-2009, 08:22 AM

a picture of anarchists is not indicative of democrats.

That is typical RSR bullshit.

No comment on the comments from elected Dems? Typical of VMD

They show they true feeling of the kook left toward the military

How about Code Pink?

http://nicedeb.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/code_pink_murder.jpg

moderate democrat

03-03-2009, 09:01 AM

No comment on the comments from elected Dems? Typical of VMD

They show they true feeling of the kook left toward the military

How about Code Pink?

http://nicedeb.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/code_pink_murder.jpg

none of those democrats hoped that our troops would fail. period. Reid thought that the war was lost. His opinion. Kerry never called the troops terrorists. fact. Durbin did not compare our troops to pol pot or nazis, he compared the interrogation techniques used at Gitmo to those used in nazi POW camps... and then he apologized for overstating his objection.

Code Pink represents the democratic party about as much as Operation Rescue represents YOUR party.

red states rule

03-03-2009, 09:02 AM

none of those democrats hoped that our troops would fail. period. Reid thought that the war was lost. His opinion. Kerry never called the troops terrorists. fact. Durbin did not compare our troops to pol pot or nazis, he compared the interrogation techniques used at Gitmo to those used in nazi POW camps... and then he apologized for overstating his objection.

Code Pink represents the democratic party about as much as Operation Rescue represents YOUR party.

Keep spinning VMD. Dems actions and words are clear for all to see. Your party had a vested interest in the US military failing in Iraq

Dems spent years smearing the troops, and sat on the sidelines, and jumped to their defense everytime

moderate democrat

03-03-2009, 09:08 AM

Keep spinning VMD. Dems actions and words are clear for all to see. Your party had a vested interest in the US military failing in Iraq

Dems spent years smearing the troops, and sat on the sidelines, and jumped to their defense everytime

I personally supported the troops in substantive ways from the very beginning of the war. And you keep running away from the truth.... anarchists and code pink.... what a loser!:poke:

red states rule

03-03-2009, 09:10 AM

I personally supported the troops in substantive ways from the very beginning of the war. And you keep running away from the truth.... anarchists and code pink.... what a loser!:poke:

I am sure you danced on their graves. To libs like you, every dead troop represented more Dem votes in the next election

Code Pink are part of your party's base

glockmail

03-03-2009, 09:12 AM

none of those democrats hoped that our troops would fail. period. Reid thought that the war was lost. His opinion. Kerry never called the troops terrorists. fact. Durbin did not compare our troops to pol pot or nazis, he compared the interrogation techniques used at Gitmo to those used in nazi POW camps... and then he apologized for overstating his objection.

Code Pink represents the democratic party about as much as Operation Rescue represents YOUR party. Wow what a bunch of loser excuses for such a crappy party.

emmett

03-03-2009, 10:07 AM

you are the one who claimed to KNOW my feelings for the man...either find a post where I say I hate him, or retract you lie. simple as that.

".......or retract YOUR lie"

is how your post should read, I imagine since you went through such painstaking efforts to correct RSR's spelling you wouldn't want to have committed such an etroscity of improper spelling yourself. Should you require additional assistance in spelling or grammer, please feel to contact me at any time.

Your welcome.

red states rule

03-03-2009, 10:11 AM

I like Rush. I respect Rush, I believe he serves a good purpose to educate and forward Conservative ideals.

However, I think the face of a Party needs to be someone who is actually politically involved

and who believes the road to success is paved with Reagan's conservative principals

Yurt

03-03-2009, 12:44 PM

you are the one who claimed to KNOW my feelings for the man...either find a post where I say I hate him, or retract you lie. simple as that.

you do hate him...:poke:

moderate democrat

03-03-2009, 12:44 PM

".......or retract YOUR lie"

is how your post should read, I imagine since you went through such painstaking efforts to correct RSR's spelling you wouldn't want to have committed such an etroscity of improper spelling yourself. Should you require additional assistance in spelling or grammer, please feel to contact me at any time.

Your welcome.

thank you...and in the same spirit of helpfulness:

it's "atrocity" ... and "grammar" ... and "you're"

you're also welcome ;)

Yurt

03-03-2009, 12:46 PM

if Obama's stimulus package fails, America suffers grave damage. THAT is what you want!

not true, his so-called stimulus package is destroying this country, i hope it fails so this country will survive.

Yurt

03-03-2009, 12:47 PM

post 94

moderate democrat

03-03-2009, 12:49 PM

you do hate him...:poke:

find a link where I SAID I hated him, or retract your lie. IN fact, I don't hate him at all. I find him amusing and entertaining. I just got out of my car and was listening to him this morning.

Yurt

03-03-2009, 12:51 PM

find a link where I SAID I hated him, or retract your lie. IN fact, I don't hate him at all. I find him amusing and entertaining. I just got out of my car and was listening to him this morning.

you do in fact hate him, i know it and i don't need to prove anything to you. :poke:

Lizabeth

03-03-2009, 02:29 PM

Republicans want America to fail.

No one wants "Obama" to fail....we just happen to believe along with a lot of people that his plans to "save" the economy will fail and result in much dire consequences. There is a difference. I also feel that Obama fails to listen to the public he was elected to serve. the vast majority of Americans when polled did not want this stimulus package or any of them for that matter.

moderate democrat

03-03-2009, 02:59 PM

No one wants "Obama" to fail....we just happen to believe along with a lot of people that his plans to "save" the economy will fail and result in much dire consequences. There is a difference. I also feel that Obama fails to listen to the public he was elected to serve. the vast majority of Americans when polled did not want this stimulus package or any of them for that matter.
believing the plan will not work and hoping the plan will not work are two entirely different things.

and I question your polling data.

PostmodernProphet

03-03-2009, 03:05 PM

if Obama's stimulus package fails, America suffers grave damage. THAT is what you want!

this is the reason I consider Democrats to be intelligence challenged......they simply aren't capable of understanding simple English.....

Lizabeth

03-03-2009, 03:09 PM

PostmodernProphet

03-03-2009, 03:09 PM

No one wants "Obama" to fail...

???...sure I do....he has stated his intentions for his administration, I disagree with those intentions....I don't want him to succeed in raising taxes....I don't want him to succeed in increasing spending.....I don't want him to nationalize the banks, the auto industry and health care....I want him to fail on a lot of things.....

Lizabeth

03-03-2009, 03:17 PM

conservatives in America have to chose a party or make their own. My guess is that they are going to stay with the GOP. And if they DO, they need to accept the fact that their party is a tent big enough to hold a lot of moderates as well.

Clearly... I WANT Rush to be seen as not only the face of the conservatives, but the face of the GOP as well. As I said, I think that works well for the democrats.

And I am perfectly happy with the democratic president being seen as the face of my party. He is a smart guy and a popular guy and I think that he'll do a good job. Time will tell, however.

believing the plan will not work and hoping the plan will not work are two entirely different things.

and I question your polling data.

I have to question your sources for it's popularity. Because middle class America does not support it and never has; economists do not support it. So who is supporting it other than the "yes" men/women in the House & Senate? Pelosi resembles a bobble head when she is anywhere near Obama.

moderate democrat

03-03-2009, 03:23 PM

I have to question your sources for it's popularity. Because middle class America does not support it and never has; economists do not support it. So who is supporting it other than the "yes" men/women in the House & Senate? Pelosi resembles a bobble head when she is anywhere near Obama.

provide me a link that shows that "the vast majority of Americans when polled did not want this stimulus package or any of them for that matter."

red states rule

03-04-2009, 06:37 AM

provide me a link that shows that "the vast majority of Americans when polled did not want this stimulus package or any of them for that matter."

Here you go

You may now activate your spin cycle

Wednesday, February 04, 2009

Support for the economic recovery plan working its way through Congress has fallen again this week. For the first time, a plurality of voters nationwide oppose the $800-billion-plus plan.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 37% favor the legislation, 43% are opposed, and 20% are not sure.

Two weeks ago, 45% supported the plan. Last week, 42% supported it.

Opposition has grown from 34% two weeks ago to 39% last week and 43% today.

Sixty-four percent (64%) of Democrats still support the plan. That figure is down from 74% a week ago. Just 13% of Republicans and 27% of those not affiliated with either major party agree.

Seventy-two percent (72%) of Republicans oppose the plan along with 50% of unaffiliated voters and 16% of Democrats.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/economic_stimulus_package/support_for_stimulus_package_falls_to_37

red states rule

03-04-2009, 06:39 AM

No one wants "Obama" to fail....we just happen to believe along with a lot of people that his plans to "save" the economy will fail and result in much dire consequences. There is a difference. I also feel that Obama fails to listen to the public he was elected to serve. the vast majority of Americans when polled did not want this stimulus package or any of them for that matter.

Looking at key economic indicators, Obama is failing without any help from anyone else

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 07:12 AM

Here you go

You may now activate your spin cycle

Wednesday, February 04, 2009

Support for the economic recovery plan working its way through Congress has fallen again this week. For the first time, a plurality of voters nationwide oppose the $800-billion-plus plan.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 37% favor the legislation, 43% are opposed, and 20% are not sure.

Two weeks ago, 45% supported the plan. Last week, 42% supported it.

Opposition has grown from 34% two weeks ago to 39% last week and 43% today.

Sixty-four percent (64%) of Democrats still support the plan. That figure is down from 74% a week ago. Just 13% of Republicans and 27% of those not affiliated with either major party agree.

Seventy-two percent (72%) of Republicans oppose the plan along with 50% of unaffiliated voters and 16% of Democrats.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/economic_stimulus_package/support_for_stimulus_package_falls_to_37

month old polling? :lol: you like to ignore the more current stuff when it suits your purpose, don't you?

Here is something a little more current:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116086/Americans-Endorse-Obama-Approach-Wary-Debt.aspx

"Even before he addressed Congress and the nation on Tuesday about his plans for leading the country out of economic peril, President Barack Obama was enjoying solid public support for his work to date. For instance, 59% of those surveyed in a Feb. 20-22 USA Today/Gallup poll said Obama is going at about the right speed in addressing the nation's problems."

red states rule

03-04-2009, 07:19 AM

month old polling? :lol: you like to ignore the more current stuff when it suits your purpose, don't you?

Here is something a little more current:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116086/Americans-Endorse-Obama-Approach-Wary-Debt.aspx

"Even before he addressed Congress and the nation on Tuesday about his plans for leading the country out of economic peril, President Barack Obama was enjoying solid public support for his work to date. For instance, 59% of those surveyed in a Feb. 20-22 USA Today/Gallup poll said Obama is going at about the right speed in addressing the nation's problems."

Eh, that is when the mega pork bill was being debated VMD

So as peoples 401K's continue to melt away we should all continue to support the Chosen One and not express any dissent?

I uderstand why Dems wanted to rush the mega pork bill through with no debate - the last thing they wanted was for the voters to know what was in it

PostmodernProphet

03-04-2009, 07:20 AM

month old polling? :lol: you like to ignore the more current stuff when it suits your purpose, don't you?

Here is something a little more current:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116086/Americans-Endorse-Obama-Approach-Wary-Debt.aspx

"Even before he addressed Congress and the nation on Tuesday about his plans for leading the country out of economic peril, President Barack Obama was enjoying solid public support for his work to date. For instance, 59% of those surveyed in a Feb. 20-22 USA Today/Gallup poll said Obama is going at about the right speed in addressing the nation's problems."

interesting......here's a little snippet from your link that should set to rest forever the question about whether it's Republicans or Democrats who are the party of big spenders....

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/hufpnvirpu6ipo8ntbg2ya.gif

79% of Democrats think it's better to spend more, 73% of Republicans think it's better to spend less.....

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 07:25 AM

interesting......here's a little snippet from your link that should set to rest forever the question about whether it's Republicans or Democrats who are the party of big spenders....

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/hufpnvirpu6ipo8ntbg2ya.gif

79% of Democrats think it's better to spend more, 73% of Republicans think it's better to spend less.....

and 54% (last I knew, that was still a MAJORITY) of America adults agree with the democrats!

Suck it up. We live in a democracy. majority rules. we won the election. We get to do it our way. a majority of american adults agree with us. don't like the stimulus package? wished you lived in an America where it wasn't the LAW? tough. move somewhere else.

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 07:27 AM

Eh, that is when the mega pork bill was being debated VMD

So as peoples 401K's continue to melt away we should all continue to support the Chosen One and not express any dissent?

I uderstand why Dems wanted to rush the mega pork bill through with no debate - the last thing they wanted was for the voters to know what was in it

your polling data is a month old. show me something more recent that can support your unsupportable allegation that "the vast majority of Americans when polled did not want this stimulus package or any of them for that matter"

red states rule

03-04-2009, 07:28 AM

and 54% (last I knew, that was still a MAJORITY) of America adults agree with the democrats!

Suck it up. We live in a democracy. majority rules. we won the election. We get to do it our way. a majority of american adults agree with us. don't like the stimulus package? wished you lived in an America where it wasn't the LAW? tough. move somewhere else.

and as Wall Street continues to slide, all you care about is how much support is coming from YOUR party

In time as those Dems lose more and more of their wealth, we will see if they will still put party ahead of their own family and financial future

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 07:34 AM

and as Wall Street continues to slide, all you care about is how much support is coming from YOUR party

In time as those Dems lose more and more of their wealth, we will see if they will still put party ahead of their own family and financial future

no...I care about the fact that a majority of AMERICANS support the president's approach top saving the economy.

red states rule

03-04-2009, 07:36 AM

no...I care about the fact that a majority of AMERICANS support the president's approach top saving the economy.

You mean a vast majority of DEMOCRATS still support the messiah

Obama is below 60% and falling. The way the economy is going, I wonder when he will break below 50%

red states rule

03-04-2009, 07:45 AM

Because of Obama's war, the careers of Democrats with tax problems, illegal Nannies, and mob connections, are dieing needlessly.

President Obama. Please!

PULL OUT NOW!!!

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 07:47 AM

You mean a vast majority of DEMOCRATS still support the messiah

Obama is below 60% and falling. The way the economy is going, I wonder when he will break below 50%

no. I mean a majority of AMERICANS. Gallup has him at 62% today, btw.:poke:

red states rule

03-04-2009, 07:52 AM

no. I mean a majority of AMERICANS. Gallup has him at 62% today, btw.:poke:

and Cook has him at 57% and NBC has him at 60%

Bottom line, like the DJI Obama is heading south

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 07:54 AM

and Cook has him at 57% and NBC has him at 60%

Bottom line, like the DJI Obama is heading south

SMDRSR:

that is your prediction. you go with it big guy....:lol:

red states rule

03-04-2009, 07:57 AM

SMDRSR:

that is your prediction. you go with it big guy....:lol:

That is the current trend on both VMD

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 07:59 AM

That is the current trend on both VMD

SMDRSR:

nobody give a shit about daily tracking polls...really. Obama is going to govern and not worry about what the polls say.

red states rule

03-04-2009, 08:04 AM

SMDRSR:

nobody give a shit about daily tracking polls...really. Obama is going to govern and not worry about what the polls say.

Sorry if facts still get under your thin skin

Like most libs, you do not care about acutal results of your policies, only your power

moderate democrat

03-04-2009, 08:17 AM

Back to your little acronyms Virgil. much like your see you next tuesday remarks?

Sorry if facts still get under your thin skin

Like most libs, you do not care about acutal results of your policies, only your power

my name is not virgil. My name here is moderate democrat. You can abbreviate that to MD if you like. If you want to add on letters to that, I certainly can add on letters to yours, can I not?

I care about the results of my country's economy. I do not care about the daily tracking polls that some, like you, SFMRSR, would use to proclaim doom and gloom. I suggest that, rather than predict failure every day, we just agree to sit back, let the stimulus package go to work and then, in 18 months, we can have a discussion about whether or not it worked. How about that?

OOPS! I guess you tried to edit it a little too late, eh? So glad I was able to preserve it for posterity :lol:

jimnyc

03-04-2009, 08:22 AM

That is the current trend on both VMD

SMDRSR:

Both users removed from thread. I told you this stuff would no longer be tolerated, not even acronyms.

Lizabeth

03-04-2009, 10:55 AM

???...sure I do....he has stated his intentions for his administration, I disagree with those intentions....I don't want him to succeed in raising taxes....I don't want him to succeed in increasing spending.....I don't want him to nationalize the banks, the auto industry and health care....I want him to fail on a lot of things.....

What I am attempting to say is that I hope he will see the direction he is going is unpopular with the people he has sworn to represent. Regardless of party - I do not want the office of the President to fail. It is very condescending to tell the American people with his lack of experience that he knows what is best despite the overwhelming majority of experts have said it is a bad plan.

Unfortunately, I feel like many others these so called "changes" will result in detrimental consequences for us all. So his "failure" as our President, (and he is our President, so we have to deal with it) does not benefit us either. Hoping for his failure as our President will not likely result in his removal from office next month if the whole thing goes terribly wrong. We are stuck with at least four years of this nonsense.

The thing to do is to rally around our local republican candidates to change the numbers in the majority. Here in NJ and I believe VA, there are Gubernatorial races - we have a chance to oust our Democrat spend crazy governor and replace him with a republican. That is what I am working to do on a local level.

I urge everyone if you want to stop this stuff in DC we need to get active locally or contribute time & $$$ to help elect republicans this November. they beat us with sheer $$$$'s and cyberspace! They appealed to the younger set with cute web gimmicks. If you have Internet skills offer help in developing a website for your local republican committee. We need to stick together and unite more now than ever and do something.