The Socialists are Coming.... The Socialists are coming

[emmett]

Taxes going up............... on small business owners

Biggest deficits since 1940.............

Government more intrusive than at any time in US History

Guns about to be ban, then confiscated

Home sales stagnate

Lawmakers passing laws without reading them simply because the president says "sign it"

Fastest growing company in America is Government

Stock Market diving like a crippled plane

Huge majority of Liberals in the House

Huge majority of Liberals in the Senate





I feel like I need to go out and grab a horse and ride hard yelling...............


THE SOCIALISTS ARE COMING........THE SOCIALISTS ARE COMING!!!!!!!

[Lizabeth]

I really wish that would have an impact on these idiots!

We have more liberal ill educated idiots who have no idea what they are doing? I heard one of the worst comments last night on Hanity from Jillian Barbarie "What's wrong with Socialism?"

All I can say is where the hell did she go to school? What in god's name are these schools teaching that these generations don't know that Socialism, Communism are repressive forms of government and are NOT GOOD FOR INDEPENDANT THINKING PEOPLE!

We have been heading down a path that is causing the Constitution to be meaningless. Freedom of speech is being trashed! A newspaper cartoonist has to apologize for his opinion....and while we are at it - only a racist would have found racism in that cartoon. Our rights to bear arms, etc...I'm disgusted! The majority nolonger rule.

[Mr. P]

Taxes going up............... on small business owners

Biggest deficits since 1940.............

Government more intrusive than at any time in US History

Guns about to be ban, then confiscated

Home sales stagnate

Lawmakers passing laws without reading them simply because the president says "sign it"

Fastest growing company in America is Government

Stock Market diving like a crippled plane

Huge majority of Liberals in the House

Huge majority of Liberals in the Senate





I feel like I need to go out and grab a horse and ride hard yelling...............


THE SOCIALISTS ARE COMING........THE SOCIALISTS ARE COMING!!!!!!!

Forget the yellin part..by the end of the yr we may all need a horse just to get around. I'd say plant a good size garden this spring too..we may not be able to afford the grocery store...having a few pigs an chickens will help too.

[avatar4321]

Thankfully Jesus is coming soon too:)

[Mr. P]

Thankfully Jesus is coming soon too:)

They've been saying that for a thousand yrs or more..He's way late! :eek:

[crin63]

They've been saying that for a thousand yrs or more..He's way late! :eek:

Its on His time, not mans time so he cannot be late.

[Joe Steel]

I really wish that would have an impact on these idiots!

We have more liberal ill educated idiots who have no idea what they are doing? I heard one of the worst comments last night on Hanity from Jillian Barbarie "What's wrong with Socialism?"

Socialism is the highest form of democracy. If you don't like socialism, you don't like democracy.


All I can say is where the hell did she go to school? What in god's name are these schools teaching that these generations don't know that Socialism, Communism are repressive forms of government and are NOT GOOD FOR INDEPENDANT THINKING PEOPLE!

We have been heading down a path that is causing the Constitution to be meaningless. Freedom of speech is being trashed! A newspaper cartoonist has to apologize for his opinion....and while we are at it - only a racist would have found racism in that cartoon. Our rights to bear arms, etc...I'm disgusted! The majority nolonger rule.

We the People demanded a restoration of the American Dream.

Obama said "Yes we can."

[Lizabeth]

Expecting a handout is Not the American Dream. The American Dream is being destroyed. Telling people that hard work, dedication gets you the same health care system as the lazy ass who never worked a day in his life. Why should people like Bill Gates be "forced" to share their wealth? Why should anyone have to do that? I made it , I worked for it and "I" choose not the government how to donate to charity.

This national health care thing...think it is wonderful... Canada has it....they all come here for medical procedures. That national health care system will allow the government to decide if you are too old for the medical procedure because you lived your life.

Yeah, socialism is a great concept.... it is not a republic, nor does it promote capitalism.

[Joe Steel]

Expecting a handout is Not the American Dream. The American Dream is being destroyed. Telling people that hard work, dedication gets you the same health care system as the lazy ass who never worked a day in his life.

What about telling them that hard work and dedication gets them the same health care system as the lazy ass who never worked a day in his life and that's -- none.

That's right.

The cemeteries are full of hard-working Americans who just never were able to afford all the health care they needed. They died just the same as those who never worked.


Why should people like Bill Gates be "forced" to share their wealth? Why should anyone have to do that?

See Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution.


I made it , I worked for it and "I" choose not the government how to donate to charity.

Tough.

You're a US citizen and that's the way it is.

Love it or leave it.



This national health care thing...think it is wonderful... Canada has it....they all come here for medical procedures.

Utter nonsense.

I few misfits might come to the US but normal Canadians love their health care system.


That national health care system will allow the government to decide if you are too old for the medical procedure because you lived your life.

Better that than a greedy capitalist.

[Mr. P]

Socialism is the highest form of democracy. If you don't like socialism, you don't like democracy.




Tough.

You're a US citizen and that's the way it is.

Love it or leave it.

LMAO! ya got a problem here Joe, the USA is a Republic NOT a democracy.

Love it or leave it.

[Joe Steel]

LMAO! ya got a problem here Joe, the USA is a Republic NOT a democracy.

Love it or leave it.

You're wrong.

[Lizabeth]

Let me ask...What color is the sky in your world?

You really need to do some research on those wonderful National Health care Systems in Canada and Europe. The facts are they do not work. Those who only have the National coverage still cannot get health care and the others need to purchase supplemental insurance coverage.

Why do all these special medical cases come here for treatment and surgeries? Because ours is the best system.

Stop looking for someone else to pay your way, stop expecting others to give you some of theirs because you feel they shouldn't have it. Stop expecting something you do not deserve. Working hard pays off. Earning it means a lot more and provides a sense of pride and accomplishment. This country was founded upon the principle that if you work hard anything is possible. Legal Immigrants didn't say, I'm going to America because the Government hands out checks for doing nothing.

You want what Bill Gates has then you develop a system like Microsoft in your garage! He made it - he earned it - it is his money to donate as he chooses and he does.

[avatar4321]

Socialism is the highest form of democracy. If you don't like socialism, you don't like democracy.



We the People demanded a restoration of the American Dream.

Obama said "Yes we can."

I don't like Democracy. Which is why Im glad we arent a Democracy.

[Joe Steel]

You really need to do some research on those wonderful National Health care Systems in Canada and Europe. The facts are they do not work. Those who only have the National coverage still cannot get health care and the others need to purchase supplemental insurance coverage.

Why do all these special medical cases come here for treatment and surgeries? Because ours is the best system.

Utter nonsense.

The US health care system stinks because it doesn't cover everyone and because the US ranks 37th in the world in outcomes. That's not "the best system."

Do some research instead of looking at the sky.


You want what Bill Gates has then you develop a system like Microsoft in your garage! He made it - he earned it - it is his money to donate as he chooses and he does.

Bill Gates' father is rich. It's easy to be innovative when you never have to worry where your next meal is coming from.

[emmett]

What about telling them that hard work and dedication gets them the same health care system as the lazy ass who never worked a day in his life and that's -- none.

That's right.

The cemeteries are full of hard-working Americans who just never were able to afford all the health care they needed. They died just the same as those who never worked.

:laugh2:



See Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution.



Tough. :laugh2:

You're a US citizen and that's the way it is.:laugh2:

Love it or leave it.:laugh2:




Utter nonsense.

I few misfits might come to the US but normal Canadians love their health care system.

:lol:



Better that than a greedy capitalist.



:lol:

[Lizabeth]

I don't see any Siamese children being separated in any other country but the US. Children suffering from various deformities in South America come here for surgery. The US sponsors mobile hospitals in Africa and all over the world. Our medical educations here are prized. I met someone who was a pediatrician in Pakistan for 15 years and was unable to get licensed her in the US because the education was sub-standard.

Got news for ya....National Health care does not work; it is a myth just like legalizing heroin didn't work in England. The poor in those countries has it worse than they do here because there is an active charity care system here that does work if it is not bled dry by .....yes, illegal aliens.

You really need to read some unbiased material on the subject. And if you think America is so awful then try living in those countries where you would be put in prison for the things you say here. You have the freedoms and the ability to make something more of yourself but you would rather have someone give it to you instead. What did you do to deserve such a gift?

[5stringJeff]

Socialism is the highest form of democracy.

Socialism is an economic system. Democracy is a political system. So your statement is false. Furthermore, if a majority opinion, which is the central deciding factor in democracy, decides that they want a capitalist system, wouldn't a supporter of democracy then have to support capitalism over socialism? In such a case, forcing socialism on a people who decided against it would be the antithesis of democracy.

[moderate democrat]

Socialism is an economic system. Democracy is a political system. So your statement is false. Furthermore, if a majority opinion, which is the central deciding factor in democracy, decides that they want a capitalist system, wouldn't a supporter of democracy then have to support capitalism over socialism? In such a case, forcing socialism on a people who decided against it would be the antithesis of democracy.

and if any party tried to force socialism on the people of America against their will, I have absolutely no doubt in America's ability to boot them from power at the very next election.

[moderate democrat]

I don't see any Siamese children being separated in any other country but the US. Children suffering from various deformities in South America come here for surgery. The US sponsors mobile hospitals in Africa and all over the world. Our medical educations here are prized. I met someone who was a pediatrician in Pakistan for 15 years and was unable to get licensed her in the US because the education was sub-standard.

Got news for ya....National Health care does not work; it is a myth just like legalizing heroin didn't work in England. The poor in those countries has it worse than they do here because there is an active charity care system here that does work if it is not bled dry by .....yes, illegal aliens.

You really need to read some unbiased material on the subject. And if you think America is so awful then try living in those countries where you would be put in prison for the things you say here. You have the freedoms and the ability to make something more of yourself but you would rather have someone give it to you instead. What did you do to deserve such a gift?


comparing nationalizing healthcare in America with the legalizing of heroin in England certainly did not spring forth from unbiased material!

[emmett]

Socialism is an economic system. Democracy is a political system. So your statement is false. Furthermore, if a majority opinion, which is the central deciding factor in democracy, decides that they want a capitalist system, wouldn't a supporter of democracy then have to support capitalism over socialism? In such a case, forcing socialism on a people who decided against it would be the antithesis of democracy.


I would at this time suggest that if you intend to continue to slam uninformed folks with such quick, insightful answers of this magnitude, you should be required to enter a one line warning first! This statement is certain to confuse a liberal, thereby leaving them unsure of it's complete content and defeating the purpose of said message.

I'll let you off with a warning this time Jeff!

[5stringJeff]

and if any party tried to force socialism on the people of America against their will, I have absolutely no doubt in America's ability to boot them from power at the very next election.

Like of like 1994?

[emmett]

Telling me that this ...... government we just elected is a people's government is like telling me that I can buy new hand made products right off the production line!

[moderate democrat]

Like of like 1994?
I would take issue with your characterization of the democrats in 1994 as trying to force socialism down america's throats against our wills....but clearly, the American people have the ability to remove any party from power that does not lead us in the correct direction. Everyone here is caterwauling about how the democrats are forcing socialism down America's throats with the TARP and the stimulus package. If America actually believes that is true, and if socialism is indeed against the will of America, then the proof of that hypothesis will be democrats being removed from the majority in 2010. Conversely, their retention of power in that election will ALSO be proof of something, won't it?

[Jagger]

Taxes going up... If raising taxes is socialism, then Ronald Reagan was a staunch socialist.

[Jagger]

Biggest deficits since 1940 If big deficits are socialism, the Ronald Reagan was a staunch socialist.

[Jagger]

Government more intrusive than at any time in US History... How does one measure government intrusion?

[Jagger]

Guns about to be banned, then confiscated.... Show me the law that bans guns.

[Jagger]

Home sales stagnate...
The root case of that is the type of deregulation championed by Ronald Reagan, the socialist.

[Jagger]

Lawmakers passing laws without reading them... If that's socialism, then this has be a socialist nation since 1789.

[Jagger]

Fastest growing company in America is Government
Jones Soda is the fastest growing company in America.

[Jagger]

Stock Market diving like a crippled plane

The Dow Jones Industrial Average
December 31 1974 - February 27, 2009

Dow Jones - Monthly Bar Chart - Semi-log Scale - 1974-2009.
Chart plotted on CLOSING prices

Latest: February 27, 2009
http://www.the-privateer.com/chart/dow-long.gif

[Jagger]

Huge majority of Liberals in the House...Huge majority of Liberals in the Senate Generally, liberals reduce the deficit. Conservatives increase them.

[emmett]

Damn.... I keep feeling a gnat or something flying around my ear. Aggrevating! Hmmm.... where's my Off!

Ah let's see..... a little squirt of this and ....wa-lah...... problem gone!

[avatar4321]

Generally, liberals reduce the deficit. Conservatives increase them.

thanks. I needed the laugh.

[Jagger]

Only 5 of the past 40 federal budgets have been surpluses. All 5 were by Democratic presidents.

[Jagger]

The Democrats Are The Party of Fiscal Responsibility



Budgets prepared by Republican presidents during the last 40 years increased the national debt by $3,800,000,000,000. The average yearly deficit under Republican budgets was $190 billion.

Budgets prepared by Democratic presidents during the last 40 years increased the national debt by $719,500,000,000. The average yearly deficit under Democratic budgets was $36 billion.

[manu1959]

Socialism is the highest form of democracy. If you don't like socialism, you don't like democracy.

We the People demanded a restoration of the American Dream.

Obama said "Yes we can."

the american dream was to start with nothing and become rich.......

what is it now .....

[manu1959]

Bill Gates' father is rich. It's easy to be innovative when you never have to worry where your next meal is coming from.

yes if only we had taken all gates seniors money and given it to the poor we would have microsoft.....

[Jagger]

The American Dream is that dream of a land in which life should be better and richer and fuller for everyone, with opportunity for each according to ability or achievement...It is not a dream of motor cars and high wages merely, but a dream of social order in which each man and each woman shall be able to attain to the fullest stature of which they are innately capable, and be recognized by others for what they are, regardless of the fortuitous circumstances of birth or position...The American Dream, that has lured tens of millions of all nations to our shores in the past century has not been a dream of material plenty, though that has doubtlessly counted heavily. It has been a dream of being able to grow to fullest development as a man and woman, unhampered by the barriers which had slowly been erected in the older civilizations, unrepressed by social orders which had developed for the benefit of classes rather than for the simple human being of any and every class.

[Binky]

Damn.... I keep feeling a gnat or something flying around my ear. Aggrevating! Hmmm.... where's my Off!

Ah let's see..... a little squirt of this and ....wa-lah...... problem gone!


LMAO! :laugh2: :laugh2: Yep, those gnats main goal is to feed of their prey and to annoy! I'd say they have it down to a fine art. :laugh2:

[glockmail]

...It has been a dream of being able to grow to fullest development as a man and woman, unhampered by the barriers which had slowly been erected in the older civilizations, unrepressed by social orders which had developed for the benefit of classes rather than for the simple human being of any and every class. Too bad when you become successful you have to pay punitive taxes, and have your business restricted by excessive regulation. Aren't these from your beloved Democrat Party? *shrug*

[bullypulpit]

Taxes going up............... on small business owners

Biggest deficits since 1940.............

Government more intrusive than at any time in US History

Guns about to be ban, then confiscated

Home sales stagnate

Lawmakers passing laws without reading them simply because the president says "sign it"

Fastest growing company in America is Government

Stock Market diving like a crippled plane

Huge majority of Liberals in the House

Huge majority of Liberals in the Senate





I feel like I need to go out and grab a horse and ride hard yelling...............


THE SOCIALISTS ARE COMING........THE SOCIALISTS ARE COMING!!!!!!!

You grab that horse and ride...I'll come and visit you during your stay in the psych ward. :laugh2:

[Jagger]

...when you become successful you have to pay punitive taxes... You need to quit using the government as your excuse for being a financial failure. Quit listening to right wing radio, get a hair cut and find a job.

:dance::dance:

[Jagger]

Too bad when you become successful you have your business restricted by excessive regulation.
What excessive regulation? Deregulation has done nothing but cause a banking crisis, which is costing me money, dude.

[avatar4321]

What excessive regulation? Deregulation has done nothing but cause a banking crisis, which is costing me money, dude.

You mean overregulation. It was government orders to lend money to people who cant afford it and threats of taking the banks to court if they didnt that lead the banking crisis.

Let's be honest here.

[Jagger]

It was government orders to lend money to people who cant afford it and threats of taking the banks to court if they didn't that lead the banking crisis. How much money did the government force the banks to lend to people that can't afford it, and how much of that amount is in default?

[glockmail]

You need to quit using the government as your excuse for being a financial failure. Quit listening to right wing radio, get a hair cut and find a job.

:dance::dance:Actually, I'm doing quite well financially. My investments are still producing, even with this economy. I'm afraid that you'll have to find a quite different way to insult the old glockster.

[glockmail]

What excessive regulation? Deregulation has done nothing but cause a banking crisis, which is costing me money, dude.Actually, the Democrat-sponsored regulations that required Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to underwrite crappy loans caused the current crisis. Thanks for proving my point.

[5stringJeff]

I would take issue with your characterization of the democrats in 1994 as trying to force socialism down america's throats against our wills....but clearly, the American people have the ability to remove any party from power that does not lead us in the correct direction. Everyone here is caterwauling about how the democrats are forcing socialism down America's throats with the TARP and the stimulus package. If America actually believes that is true, and if socialism is indeed against the will of America, then the proof of that hypothesis will be democrats being removed from the majority in 2010. Conversely, their retention of power in that election will ALSO be proof of something, won't it?

I was only in high school at the time, but I plainly remember both Bill's huge tax hike and Hillary's attempt at nationalizing the health care industry in 1993.

In a like manner, I see the Bush/Obama administration's attempt at "bailing out" the financial sector through nationalization as a similar means of the federal government attempting to grab power.

One difference, however, is that in 1994, the GOP was a unified force. In 2009, they are extremely disorganized.

[glockmail]

I was only in high school at the time, but I plainly remember both Bill's huge tax hike and Hillary's attempt at nationalizing the health care industry in 1993.

In a like manner, I see the Bush/Obama administration's attempt at "bailing out" the financial sector through nationalization as a similar means of the federal government attempting to grab power.

One difference, however, is that in 1994, the GOP was a unified force. In 2009, they are extremely disorganized.

This isn't the first time that the feds have nationalized the banks. FDR did that bank holiday thing back in the 30's and the government ended up with a lot of bank stock as I recall. But that time, the holiday created confidence, essentially stopping a run on the banks and resultant bankruptcy of the system. Obama instills no such confidence, in fact he has driven stock prices down.

[moderate democrat]

I was only in high school at the time, but I plainly remember both Bill's huge tax hike and Hillary's attempt at nationalizing the health care industry in 1993.

In a like manner, I see the Bush/Obama administration's attempt at "bailing out" the financial sector through nationalization as a similar means of the federal government attempting to grab power.

One difference, however, is that in 1994, the GOP was a unified force. In 2009, they are extremely disorganized.


As I said... time will tell. If democrats maintain control of congress in 2010, it will be a vote of confidence from the American people for their agenda...or at the very least, a clear statement that they dislike the agenda of the republican party even more than they do the agenda of the democrats in power. Maybe you LP guys will seize the day! :beer:

[Jagger]

Actually, the Democrat-sponsored regulations that required Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to underwrite crappy loans... Show me the regulations of which you speak.

[Jagger]

I see the Bush/Obama administration's attempt at "bailing out" the financial sector through nationalization as a similar means of the federal government attempting to grab power. Do you have a better idea for dealing with the banking crisis? If so, let's hear it.

[Jagger]

Obama instills no such confidence, in fact he has driven stock prices down.

It is well established that Rush Limbaugh is the one driving stock prices down. He wants our nation to fail. He should be in GITMO with all of the other right wing traitors.

[5stringJeff]

Do you have a better idea for dealing with the banking crisis? If so, let's hear it.

Bankruptcy court. Let bad financial institutions fail. The FDIC already insures deposits, so people's deposits will be safe. And then the banking industry can rebuild.

[Jagger]

Let bad financial institutions fail.
At this time, under this set of circumstances, that idea is just stupid, dude.

You're obviously a Rush Limbaugh Socialist who wants our economy to fail.

You belong in GITMO.

[glockmail]

It is well established that Rush Limbaugh is the one driving stock prices down. He wants our nation to fail. He should be in GITMO with all of the other right wing traitors. I can see you've gone off the deep end and fallen back on some odd kind of parody from reality. :lame2:

[glockmail]

Show me the regulations of which you speak.
....the Boston Fed, clearly speaking for the entire Fed, produced a manual for mortgage lenders stating that: "discrimination may be observed when a lender's underwriting policies contain arbitrary or outdated criteria that effectively disqualify many urban or lower-income minority applicants."

Some of these "outdated" criteria included the size of the mortgage payment relative to income, credit history, savings history and income verification. Instead, the Boston Fed ruled that participation in a credit-counseling program should be taken as evidence of an applicant's ability to manage debt.

Sound crazy? You bet. Those "outdated" standards existed to limit defaults. But bank regulators required the loosened underwriting standards, with approval by politicians and the chattering class. A 1995 strengthening of the Community Reinvestment Act required banks to find ways to provide mortgages to their poorer communities. It also let community activists intervene at yearly bank reviews, shaking the banks down for large pots of money.

Banks that got poor reviews were punished; some saw their merger plans frustrated; others faced direct legal challenges by the Justice Department.

Flexible lending programs expanded even though they had higher default rates than loans with traditional standards. On the Web, you can still find CRA loans available via ACORN with "100 percent financing . . . no credit scores . . . undocumented income . . . even if you don't report it on your tax returns." Credit counseling is required, of course.

Ironically, an enthusiastic Fannie Mae Foundation report singled out one paragon of nondiscriminatory lending, which worked with community activists and followed "the most flexible underwriting criteria permitted." That lender's $1 billion commitment to low-income loans in 1992 had grown to $80 billion by 1999 and $600 billion by early 2003.

Who was that virtuous lender? Why - Countrywide, the nation's largest mortgage lender, recently in the headlines as it hurtled toward bankruptcy.

In an earlier newspaper story extolling the virtues of relaxed underwriting standards, Countrywide's chief executive bragged that, to approve minority applications that would otherwise be rejected "lenders have had to stretch the rules a bit." He's not bragging now. http://www.nypost.com/seven/02052008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/the_real_scandal_243911.htm?page=0

[avatar4321]

It is well established that Rush Limbaugh is the one driving stock prices down. He wants our nation to fail. He should be in GITMO with all of the other right wing traitors.

Dude, Rush is a political commentator. He doesnt have the power to drive stock prices down. You are disconnected from reality if you think he does.

There are people who can drive stock prices down. Thats usually the President or certain department secretaries who the market looks upon for stability. Granted, I dont think this power is as extensive as some people thing. but if anyones to blame for the Stock Prices going down, its the President.

[avatar4321]

At this time, under this set of circumstances, that idea is just stupid, dude.

You're obviously a Rush Limbaugh Socialist who wants our economy to fail.

You belong in GITMO.

Seems pretty self evident that companies who cant sustain themselves, whether they be small, large, or financial institutions should fail. Why do we want banks/companies who hemorage money to continue operating?

[Jagger]

The Boston Fed, clearly speaking for the entire Fed, produced a manual for mortgage lenders The Boston Federal Reserve Bank has no authority over the credit standards of mortgage lenders, dude.

[Jagger]

Dude, Rush is a political commentator. He doesnt have the power to drive stock prices down. You are disconnected from reality if you think he does.

There are people who can drive stock prices down. Thats usually the President or certain department secretaries who the market looks upon for stability. Granted, I dont think this power is as extensive as some people thing. but if anyones to blame for the Stock Prices going down, its the President.

You're obviously a gay Rush Limbaugh fanatic.

[Jagger]

Why do we want banks who hemorrhage money to continue operating? Because a banking system collapse in the early stages of what might be an economic depression would be a very bad thing, Maynard.

[MtnBiker]

You're obviously a gay Rush Limbaugh fanatic.

A post like this really is not needed.

[Kathianne]

A post like this really is not needed.

Hey, it's the best he has. ;)

[Binky]

Taxes going up............... on small business owners

Biggest deficits since 1940.............

Government more intrusive than at any time in US History

Guns about to be ban, then confiscated

Home sales stagnate

Lawmakers passing laws without reading them simply because the president says "sign it"

Fastest growing company in America is Government

Stock Market diving like a crippled plane

Huge majority of Liberals in the House

Huge majority of Liberals in the Senate





I feel like I need to go out and grab a horse and ride hard yelling...............


THE SOCIALISTS ARE COMING........THE SOCIALISTS ARE COMING!!!!!!!



And on that happy thought, and because socialism is one step away from communism, you can also go out and yell, "communism is coming, communism is coming." Pretty pic, isn't it?

[Binky]

Expecting a handout is Not the American Dream. The American Dream is being destroyed. Telling people that hard work, dedication gets you the same health care system as the lazy ass who never worked a day in his life. Why should people like Bill Gates be "forced" to share their wealth? Why should anyone have to do that? I made it , I worked for it and "I" choose not the government how to donate to charity.

This national health care thing...think it is wonderful... Canada has it....they all come here for medical procedures. That national health care system will allow the government to decide if you are too old for the medical procedure because you lived your life.

Yeah, socialism is a great concept.... it is not a republic, nor does it promote capitalism.



Sad, but true. The American Dream pretty much disappeared when home prices skyrocked to exhorbant amounts. Greedy sellers and lenders thought it would be fun to get the ridiculous amounts they were for homes. Give me a break! What we have now is the result of that greed.

[Mr. P]

Sad, but true. The American Dream pretty much disappeared when home prices skyrocked to exhorbant amounts. Greedy sellers and lenders thought it would be fun to get the ridiculous amounts they were for homes. Give me a break! What we have now is the result of that greed.

Bull..What we have is the result of DUMB ASSES purchasing a home KNOWING they couldn't afford it! Not to mention lying about their income among other things and the Gov saying Loan,loan,loan we'll back it. It started in the 90s BTW.

[Jagger]

Let us join in a new determination to rebuild the foundation of our society, to work together, to act responsibly. Let us do so with the most profound respect for that which must be preserved as well as with sensitive understanding and compassion for those who must be protected.

--President Obama

[avatar4321]

Let us join in a new determination to rebuild the foundation of our society, to work together, to act responsibly. Let us do so with the most profound respect for that which must be preserved as well as with sensitive understanding and compassion for those who must be protected.

--President Obama

The Foundation has always been solid. Unfortunately our leaders want to build on the beach down the street rather than on the solid foundation of the Founders.

[Jagger]

The Foundation has always been solid. Unfortunately our leaders want to build on the beach down the street rather than on the solid foundation of the Founders.

Let us... rebuild the foundation of our society, to work together, to act responsibly.

--President Ronald Reagan

[avatar4321]

Let us... rebuild the foundation of our society, to work together, to act responsibly.

--President Ronald Reagan

As I said, the Foundation is strong.

Is there any reason you think it appropriate to lie?

[Mr. P]

As I said, the Foundation is strong.

Is there any reason you think it appropriate to lie?

:trolls: That's all this one is..oh and a poser too.

[Binky]

Bull..What we have is the result of DUMB ASSES purchasing a home KNOWING they couldn't afford it! Not to mention lying about their income among other things and the Gov saying Loan,loan,loan we'll back it. It started in the 90s BTW.



AND greedy lenders oking the loans for those stupid people. Greed! Such a wonderful thing.

[Jagger]

As I said, the Foundation is strong.
Reagan didn't think so. He said it needed rebuilding.

[avatar4321]

Reagan didn't think so. He said it needed rebuilding.

I don't give a damn what Reagan thought. He was a great President but unlie Democrats, we don't worship our leaders. We think for ourselves. We don't expect our leaders to save us.

[Jagger]

AND greedy lenders oking the loans for those stupid people. Greed! Such a wonderful thing.

I made a lot of money investing in mortgage companies who made loans to those stupid people. However, I lost a lot of money investing in companies that bought them.

[Jagger]

Is there any reason you think it appropriate to lie? There's no point being honest with someone who doesn't care about the truth.

[Jagger]

I don't give a damn what Reagan thought. He was a great President. Reagan was a great con man. I judge him by his actions, not his rhetoric. As President, his actions proved that he was just another Big Government Socialist.

[Mr. P]

AND greedy lenders oking the loans for those stupid people. Greed! Such a wonderful thing.

Define "Greed". Please explain how it applies to this situation.

[avatar4321]

There's no point being honest with someone who doesn't care about the truth.

If you are concerned about the truth, you are always honest. If you are not concerned about the truth, then you have no problem lying when it suits your purposes.

Problem is lying messes you up. Every time you tell a lie your body has a negative reaction to it. It's not healthy.

[avatar4321]

Reagan was a great con man. I judge him by his actions, not his rhetoric. As President, his actions proved that he was just another Big Government Socialist.

uh huh.... That's a new one. Socialism through deregulation.

[Jagger]

If you are concerned about the truth, you are always honest. If you are not concerned about the truth, then you have no problem lying when it suits your purposes.

Problem is lying messes you up. Every time you tell a lie your body has a negative reaction to it. It's not healthy.

I lie to mock Right Wing Radio fanatics who don't care about truth.

[Jagger]

uh huh.... That's a new one. Socialism through deregulation. Reagan talked a good game, however deregulation actually slowed down during his time in office.

Many of the major deregulation efforts had either taken place or begun before Reagan (the deregulation of airlines and trucking under Carter, and the beginning of deregulation in railroads, telephones, natural gas, and banking). The move toward deregulation preceded Reagan. Much of it was actually initiated by liberal Democrats.

It is well established that deregulation had the lowest priority of the items on the Reagan agenda and that Reagan failed to sustain the momentum for deregulation initiated in the 1970s.

[avatar4321]

I lie to mock Right Wing Radio fanatics who don't care about truth.

You obviously arent very good good at lying or mocking.

[Binky]

Define "Greed". Please explain how it applies to this situation.


Let me see....I shouldn't have to define it, per se. Unless one is an idiot, he or she should know what the term means. It isn't rocket science here. And it applies because everyone is reaching out for more, more, more of whatever they can get. A bigger and better house than the next guy. A fancier and more expenience vehicle than a neighbor or friend. Shopping at the more expensive stores so they can tell everyone where they shop.

Greed.........one of the seven deadly sins.

[Mr. P]

Let me see....I shouldn't have to define it, per se. Unless one is an idiot, he or she should know what the term means. It isn't rocket science here. And it applies because everyone is reaching out for more, more, more of whatever they can get. A bigger and better house than the next guy. A fancier and more expenience vehicle than a neighbor or friend. Shopping at the more expensive stores so they can tell everyone where they shop.

Greed.........one of the seven deadly sins.

Sorry that's not "greed". I've never had anyone who uses the term be able to define it properly. What a surprise.

[avatar4321]

Let me see....I shouldn't have to define it, per se. Unless one is an idiot, he or she should know what the term means. It isn't rocket science here. And it applies because everyone is reaching out for more, more, more of whatever they can get. A bigger and better house than the next guy. A fancier and more expenience vehicle than a neighbor or friend. Shopping at the more expensive stores so they can tell everyone where they shop.

Greed.........one of the seven deadly sins.

Sounds like you are describing Coveting.

[Jagger]

Taxes going up on small business owners.

The recently enacted American Recovery and Reinvestment Tax Act of 2009 provides for bonus depreciation for small businesses, which allows them to write-off the cost of equipment faster.

It also increased the amount that a small business can fully expense for tangible property in the year it is purchased.

It further provides for a five-year net operating loss carry-back for small
businesses.

[Mr. P]

The recently enacted American Recovery and Reinvestment Tax Act of 2009 provides for bonus depreciation for small businesses, which allows them to write-off the cost of equipment faster.

It also increased the amount that a small business can fully expense for tangible property in the year it is purchased.

It further provides for a five-year net operating loss carry-back for small
businesses.

So what does that have to do with the price of eggs?

Smoke an mirrors it is..most small businesses are S-corps or LLC..the income tax rate for the owner over $250k will still increase.

[5stringJeff]

At this time, under this set of circumstances, that idea is just stupid, dude.

You're obviously a Rush Limbaugh Socialist who wants our economy to fail.

You belong in GITMO.

At any time, allowing the market to take its course is always the most efficient way to run things.

You're obviously a Hamiltonian mercantilist who wants the government to pump more money into your sector of the economy so you can profit off of the taxpayer.

[Kathianne]

It is well established that Rush Limbaugh is the one driving stock prices down. He wants our nation to fail. He should be in GITMO with all of the other right wing traitors.

Obama was the one that spent the better part of two years hammering on the economy, right through the time he got the first stimulus bill passed.

[Binky]

Sounds like you are describing Coveting.


That too. And it generally leads to the greed so they can try and keep up with the Jonses. Just gotta to have more, more of whatever it is they feel they gotta have is greed. Grasping for more.

[Jagger]

most small businesses are S-corps or LLC.

The 2009 Recovery Act lowers taxes on small businesses.

[Jagger]

the income tax rate for the owner over $250k will still increase. 99% of those with small business income don't have taxable income over $250,000.

[Jagger]

At any time, allowing the market to take its course is always the most efficient way to run things. No it's not.


You're obviously a Hamiltonian mercantilist who wants the government to pump more money into your sector of the economy so you can profit off of the taxpayer. We all profit off of the tax payer, dude.

[Jagger]

Obama was the one that spent the better part of two years hammering on the economy, right through the time he got the first stimulus bill passed. Limbaugh is the one who wants our nation's economy to fail just to advance his political ideology. He's a traitor who should be hanged.

[avatar4321]

Limbaugh is the one who wants our nation's economy to fail just to advance his political ideology. He's a traitor who should be hanged.

Look in the mirror sometime.

[Jagger]

Prominent Republicans, including then-President George W. Bush, former President George H.W. Bush, then-Vice President Dick Cheney, Republican House whip Eric Cantor (VA), and then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld have appeared on Limbaugh's show.

[Mr. P]

The 2009 Recovery Act lowers taxes on small businesses.

Really, INCOME taxes? I can't find that, perhaps you can quote the sec.?

[Jagger]

Increased Exclusion of Gain from the Sale of Small Business Stock


Prior to the enactment of the 2009 Recovery Act, taxpayers could exclude from income 50 percent of the gain from the sale of small business stock. The exclusion was limited to the greater of ten times the taxpayer’s basis or $10 million. The amount that was not excluded from income was taxed at the lesser of ordinary income rates or 28 percent, instead of the lower capital gains rates. The Recovery Act increases the exclusion amount to 75 percent for any small business stock that is acquired after the enactment of the Recovery Act and before January 1, 2011, and also removes the dollar limitation on the excludable gain from such stock.

[Mr. P]

Increased Exclusion of Gain from the Sale of Small Business Stock


Prior to the enactment of the 2009 Recovery Act, taxpayers could exclude from income 50 percent of the gain from the sale of small business stock. The exclusion was limited to the greater of ten times the taxpayer’s basis or $10 million. The amount that was not excluded from income was taxed at the lesser of ordinary income rates or 28 percent, instead of the lower capital gains rates. The Recovery Act increases the exclusion amount to 75 percent for any small business stock that is acquired after the enactment of the Recovery Act and before January 1, 2011, and also removes the dollar limitation on the excludable gain from such stock.

That would be cool if most or even many small businesses (S-corp and LLC) sold their stock..they don't, DUDE. It's moot, smoke and mirrors.

[Jagger]

Five-year Carryback of Net Operating Losses

Prior to the enactment of the Recovery Act, unused net operating losses (NOLs) were generally carried back two years and carried forward for 20 years to offset taxable income in such years. The Recovery Act allows “eligible small businesses” to elect to carry an “applicable 2008 net operating loss” back for a period of three, four, or five years.

This would allow an eligible small business to carry back an NOL from 2008 to 2003, 2004 or 2005,generating a refund for the years in which the business previously paid income tax.

For purposes of this provision, an eligible small business is a corporation, partnership or sole-proprietor whose average annual gross receipts over the prior three years does not exceed $15 million. In some situations, related individuals or entities will be treated as one taxpayer for purposes of applying the gross-receipts test. An applicable 2008 net operating loss is a NOL for any tax year ending in 2008, or if the taxpayer elects, any NOL for
a tax year beginning in 2008.

[Jagger]

Extension of Bonus Depreciation

The Recovery Act extends the availability of bonus depreciation to include “qualified property” which is acquired and placed into service during 2009. Bonus depreciation is an allowance equal to 50 percent of the property’s adjusted basis in the year in which the property is placed into service. This bonus depreciation allows businesses to recover the cost of capital expenditures made in 2009 more quickly than would ordinarily be allowed under traditional depreciation methods.

In general, to be qualified property, and thus eligible for bonus depreciation, the property must be acquired and placed into service after December 31, 2007, and before January 1, 2010. Additionally, the property must be new property (i.e., the property has not previously been placed into service by any person or business).

Certain improvements to nonresidential rental property are treated as qualified
property if construction is started after December 31, 2007, and prior to January1, 2010. To be eligible for bonus depreciation (1) the improvement must be made pursuant to the lease, (2) the improvement must be made by the lessee or the lessor of the improved portion, (3) the improved portion must be occupied exclusively by the lessee of such portion, and (4) the improvement must be completed more than three years after the date the building was first placed into service. Bonus depreciation does not apply to improvements to elevators or escalators, structural components benefitting a common area, the internal structural framework of the building, or to enlargement of the building.

[Mr. P]

Five-year Carryback of Net Operating Losses

Prior to the enactment of the Recovery Act, unused net operating losses (NOLs) were generally carried back two years and carried forward for 20 years to offset taxable income in such years. The Recovery Act allows “eligible small businesses” to elect to carry an “applicable 2008 net operating loss” back for a period of three, four, or five years.

This would allow an eligible small business to carry back an NOL from 2008 to 2003, 2004 or 2005,generating a refund for the years in which the business previously paid income tax.

For purposes of this provision, an eligible small business is a corporation, partnership or sole-proprietor whose average annual gross receipts over the prior three years does not exceed $15 million. In some situations, related individuals or entities will be treated as one taxpayer for purposes of applying the gross-receipts test. An applicable 2008 net operating loss is a NOL for any tax year ending in 2008, or if the taxpayer elects, any NOL for
a tax year beginning in 2008.

Seen it, read it..another smoke screen..DUDE! Not gonna help in the 09 tax yr. Nor will it help a small co that probably is OUT OF BUSINESS due to loses.

Don't ya just love that "eligible small business" part? Imagine the red tape to go through to show your co IS ELIGIBLE.

[Jagger]

Seen it, read it..another smoke screen..DUDE! Not gonna help in the 09 tax yr. Nor will it help a small co that probably is OUT OF BUSINESS due to loses.

Don't ya just love that "eligible small business" part? Imagine the red tape to go through to show your co IS ELIGIBLE.

This would allow an eligible small business to carry back an NOL from 2008 to 2003, 2004 or 2005, generating a refund for the years in which the business previously paid income tax.

[Jagger]

Taxes going up.If that's what socialism is, then Ronald Reagan was the most Socialist American President of all time, in 1982, when he signed the largest peacetime tax increase in American history.

[Mr. P]

This would allow an eligible small business to carry back an NOL from 2008 to 2003, 2004 or 2005, generating a refund for the years in which the business previously paid income tax.

But does NOTHING for 09 forward, DUDE. Some tax cut!

[Jagger]

Ronald Reagan was a socialist. He signed the biggest peace time tax increase in American History.

[Binky]

I made a lot of money investing in mortgage companies who made loans to those stupid people. However, I lost a lot of money investing in companies that bought them.


Easy come, easy go!

[avatar4321]

Ronald Reagan was a socialist. He signed the biggest peace time tax increase in American History.

You keep saying that over and over as if it's at all relevant to what's happening now. For the sake of argument, let's say you're correct. Who the hell cares? How on earth is that relevant to President Obama's bad policies?

[Jagger]

Biggest deficits since 1940.
Ronald Reagan was a socialist who ran huge deficits.

[Jagger]

Government more intrusive than at any time in US History That's what you get when you have a Right Wing Socialist Republican President for eight years.

[Jagger]

Guns about to be banned, then confiscated
Limbaugh Republicans shouldn't have a right to own arms, because Limbaugh is a traitor who wants our economy to fail.

[emmett]

Jagger, you flatter me! I am at this moment beside myself to thinnk that you would lend so much of your obviously important time to picking line items out of my posts to personally address.

What you are is one of those little dudes that always holds the jacket after you have gotten two bigger kids to fight. You remind me very much of that fly that just won't go away at an outdoor festivity and continnues to land on the potato salad. Each time you land, you are easily swated away but come again....again....again and again!

Once again however.... thank you for personally addressing my posts with such intent dedication. I will treasure the thought of it always.

Your Pal,

Emmett

[Jagger]

Jagger, you flatter me!
You're my hero, dude.

[Jagger]

Conservative are stuck in a time warp. The notion that Obama is a socialist is patently absurd in the eyes of the American people.

[Binky]

Conservative are stuck in a time warp. The notion that Obama is a socialist is patently absurd in the eyes of the American people.


It is? hmmmm.....

[Jagger]

Is Medicare socialized medicine?