Pelosi's mouse slated for $30M slice of cheese

[red states rule]

It is sad to see the Dems, some RINO's, and the liberal media actually try to sell this mego pork bill as a savior of the economy

Some people actually think projects like this will jolt the economy back on its feet



Pelosi's mouse slated for $30M slice of cheese

Talk about a pet project. A tiny mouse with the longtime backing of a political giant may soon reap the benefits of the economic stimulus package.

Lawmakers and administration officials divulged Wednesday that the $789 billion economic stimulus bill being finalized behind closed doors in Congress includes $30 million for wetlands restoration that the Obama administration intends to spend in the San Francisco Bay Area to protect, among other things, the endangered salt marsh harvest mouse.

The revelation immediately became a political football, as Republicans accused Democrats of reneging on a promise to keep so-called earmarks that fund lawmakers' favorite projects out of the legislation. Democrats, including Mrs. Pelosi, countered that the accusations were fabricated.

Politics aside, the episode demonstrates that no matter how hard lawmakers argue that they technically lived up to their pledge to keep specific projects from being listed in the bill, there is little stopping the federal money from going to those projects after the legislation passes and federal and state agencies begin deciding where to spend their newfound dollars.

Programs for sexually transmitted diseases, smoking prevention, a clean-burning power plant and a computer center also appear ready to get infusions of money once the bill becomes law, congressional offices told The Washington Times.

"One of the proudest boasts of Democrats supporting their trillion-dollar spending plan is that it doesn't contain earmarks. But it seems like powerful Democrats will still find a way to bring home the bacon," said a frustrated Michael Steel, spokesman for House Republican Leader John A. Boehner of Ohio who took direct aim at the mouse.

"This certainly doesn't sound like it will create or save American jobs," Mr. Steel said. "So can Speaker Pelosi explain exactly how we will improve the American economy by helping the adorable little" critter?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/12/earmark-less-bill-gives-pelosis-mouse-cookie/

[Psychoblues]

This is simply a flame thread and shoud be removed or at least the original poster should be removed from additional participation, IMHO. On the other hand, opinions are like assholes and it is evident that everyone has one!!!!!!!!!!

:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

[darin]

Do you have anything to add to the topic, PB, or are you simply trying to increase your post count?

[red states rule]

However you slice the pork, Dems are spreading the wealth around

[Kathianne]

The kind of 'project' described in the op sounds suspiciously like an 'earmark', something that was supposedly absent from this 'stimulus' bill. Many of us will probably be wishing we were a mouse in Pelosi's neck of the woods, before the stimulus 'works it's magic.' Sigh.

[red states rule]

The kind of 'project' described in the op sounds suspiciously like an 'earmark', something that was supposedly absent from this 'stimulus' bill. Many of us will probably be wishing we were a mouse in Pelosi's neck of the woods, before the stimulus 'works it's magic.' Sigh.

And while Obama, and the Dems, are giving stuff away; I would like a new car, bills paid, a new job taking 100,000,000 a month, oh cannot forget FREE healthcare and someone to go to work for me.

[Psychoblues]

I was correct in my original post in this thread. rsr is a flamethrower and you folks accept that. His neg reps indicate also that he is very much a coward and unable to substantiate his claims.

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Psychoblues

[Kathianne]

I was correct in my original post in this thread. rsr is a flamethrower and you folks accept that. His neg reps indicate also that he is very much a coward and unable to substantiate his claims.

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Psychoblues

PB, the original post was regarding funding provided for in the bailout, that it was 'spun'? Sure, but that is what debate is about.

If you have a problem with moderating, pm Jim. You cannot dictate moderation on the board. I'm trying NOT to act, please heed the advice.

[red states rule]

http://www.fws.gov/sacramento/images/SaltMarshHarvestMouseSm_fws.jpg

Awww, so cute. The little guy in worth $30 million isn't he?

Be nice to mice!!

Mice are people too!!

Hope! Change!!

[Psychoblues]

I get you loud and clear, Kat. I have pm'ed jim, the OP here is just political flaming and I don't apologize for a damned thing.



PB, the original post was regarding funding provided for in the bailout, that it was 'spun'? Sure, but that is what debate is about.

If you have a problem with moderating, pm Jim. You cannot dictate moderation on the board. I'm trying NOT to act, please heed the advice.

I do not have a problem with any moderating here but if you have new policies I would appreciate a notice before drastic measures are taken. Know what I mean?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? You do our guests and our members no favors when your obvious policy is making examples of certain ones while totally ignoring those that violate repeatedly and even more vociferously than those you make examples of.

I will not forget this conversation, Kat, and I will not forget to remind you all each time I see infractions on your now clearly demonstrated policy of banning from threads and even the board of offenders of your demonstrated yet not written rules. As you know, Kat, even though I am certainly guilty of infractions in the past I have given great deference to you, the board and others in keeping with what I have understood the parameters to be and represent.

This is not a complaint of what any moderator has done but a recognition of what is now acceptable in this venue. I hope you understand that.

Up for a java?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!

:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

[red states rule]

So taxpayers will pay $30 million dollars to save a mouse?

Think about all the people whose lives could have been positively impacted by using the $30 million to create jobs, or cut their taxes

Its apparent that endangered vermin means more to Ms. Pelosi than actual human beings

Remember, both Pres Obama, and Ms Pelosi have told us over and over there is no pork in this bill :rolleyes:

[Psychoblues]

You're such a silly goose, rsr!!!!!!!!!



So taxpayers will pay $30 million dollars to save a mouse?

Think about all the people whose lives could have been positively impacted by using the $30 million to create jobs, or cut their taxes

Its apparent that endangered vermin means more to Ms. Pelosi than actual human beings

Remember, both Pres Obama, and Ms Pelosi have told us over and over there is no pork in this bill :rolleyes:


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Psychoblues

[red states rule]

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr148/Pogo_21/nancyandjerry.jpg

eyaaaaaaaah!!!

[Psychoblues]

You demonstrate a sillyness beyond that of a goose, rsr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr148/Pogo_21/nancyandjerry.jpg

eyaaaaaaaah!!!

Have you nothing of a serious nature to represent?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?

:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

[red states rule]

You demonstrate a sillyness beyond that of a goose, rsr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Have you nothing of a serious nature to represent?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?

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Psychoblues

Oh I have, I am waiting for you to add to the debate

$30 million would buy a lot of cheese.

Why do liberals just throw money away instead of using it where it can produce a return?

[Psychoblues]

First you need to present facts from a credible source, rsr.



Oh I have, I am waiting for you to add to the debate

$30 million would buy a lot of cheese.

Why do liberals just throw money away instead of using it where it can produce a return?

Secondly, you need to demonstrate an understanding of those facts. As yet, you fail miserably!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Psychoblues

[red states rule]

First you need to present facts from a credible source, rsr.




Secondly, you need to demonstrate an understanding of those facts. As yet, you fail miserably!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Psychoblues

Translation - you are busted and even you can't defend spending $30 million taxpayer dolars to save a MOUSE

[Psychoblues]

Quite the opposite, rsr.


Translation - you are busted and even you can't defend spending $30 million taxpayer dolars to save a MOUSE

Your sourse is busted and you can't admit it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You don't know shit about science and you don't care about science, do you?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!!?

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Psychoblues

[red states rule]

Quite the opposite, rsr.



Your sourse is busted and you can't admit it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You don't know shit about science and you don't care about science, do you?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!!?

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Psychoblues

So the Washington Times is busted? How?

What the hell does science have to do with spending $30 million on a mouse?

BTW, my 10-year-old cat will be extinct soon.

The mega pork bill should include $1.5 million for him. I should have wrote a letter to the President to personally to ask for it.

He is descended from a long line of American slave felines. :laugh2:

[Psychoblues]

You'e a sick person, rsr.




He is descended from a long line of American slave felines. :laugh2:

Take your medicine and get back in bed.

:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

[red states rule]

You'e a sick person, rsr.




Take your medicine and get back in bed.

:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

Glad you liked it PB :poke:

[Kathianne]

I get you loud and clear, Kat. I have pm'ed jim, the OP here is just political flaming and I don't apologize for a damned thing.




I do not have a problem with any moderating here but if you have new policies I would appreciate a notice before drastic measures are taken. Know what I mean?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? You do our guests and our members no favors when your obvious policy is making examples of certain ones while totally ignoring those that violate repeatedly and even more vociferously than those you make examples of.

I will not forget this conversation, Kat, and I will not forget to remind you all each time I see infractions on your now clearly demonstrated policy of banning from threads and even the board of offenders of your demonstrated yet not written rules. As you know, Kat, even though I am certainly guilty of infractions in the past I have given great deference to you, the board and others in keeping with what I have understood the parameters to be and represent.

This is not a complaint of what any moderator has done but a recognition of what is now acceptable in this venue. I hope you understand that.

Up for a java?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!

:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

I haven't thread banned you or anyone recently, yet.

[red states rule]

For $30 million I will take my cats to SF and get rid of the mice

DINNER!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/clearcarbon/Asortd_av/A1.gif

[PostmodernProphet]

Your sourse is busted and you can't admit it!

???....how?......you've done nothing to "bust" it......

[red states rule]

A mouse and condoms, are Pelosi's contributions to the mega pork bill

[bullypulpit]

Red...Consider this silly-assed story busted.

<center><a href=http://mediamatters.org/items/200902120023?f=s_search>Fox News jumps at GOP's mouse tale</a></center>

You aren't just a dupe Red...Your something far worse. You're a <i>willing</i> dupe, you little apparatchik, you.

[Kathianne]

Red...Consider this silly-assed story busted.

<center><a href=http://mediamatters.org/items/200902120023?f=s_search>Fox News jumps at GOP's mouse tale</a></center>

You aren't just a dupe Red...Your something far worse. You're a <i>willing</i> dupe, you little apparatchik, you.

BP, seldom do I question sources, but Media Matters? I'd be careful of defining 'debunked':


...But I just contacted the House GOP staffer who wrote the initial email laying out this talking point, and he conceded that the claim by conservative media that the mouse money is currently in the bill is a misstatement. "There is not specific language in the legislation for this project," he said....

I KNOW let's go check it out online! Whoops, can't do, the *uckers haven't made it available! Either side can can misinform the public any way they choose to. I criticize RSR when he goes too far, this wasn't one of those times.

[red states rule]

Red...Consider this silly-assed story busted.

<center><a href=http://mediamatters.org/items/200902120023?f=s_search>Fox News jumps at GOP's mouse tale</a></center>

You aren't just a dupe Red...Your something far worse. You're a <i>willing</i> dupe, you little apparatchik, you.

Sorry BP, The Washington Times is still standing by the story. As far as the Soros hate site you love to rely on, using that to dismiss Pelosi's $30 million mouse is like using Moveon.org to explain Bill Clinton's perjury

Then again, Pelosi promised there would be no pork in the bill, rught?

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[bullypulpit]

If you actually took the time to examine the site, Red, you would find that MediaMatters is a balanced outlet, and has never received funding from George Soros despite what Matt Drudge and others in the right wing punditocracy claim.

The Washington Times, on the other hand receives funding from Sung Myung Moon, and is a well know right-wing media outlet. Hell, there isn't even funding for a wetlands restoration project in San Francisco...a complete fabrication that.

You're still a dupe Red.

[red states rule]

If you actually took the time to examine the site, Red, you would find that MediaMatters is a balanced outlet, and has never received funding from George Soros despite what Matt Drudge and others in the right wing punditocracy claim.

The Washington Times, on the other hand receives funding from Sung Myung Moon, and is a well know right-wing media outlet.

You're still a dupe Red.

So far BP you have not proven Pelosi's pork project does not exist. You consider them a fair and balanced group since they hate conservatibes as much as you do

[Kathianne]

If you actually took the time to examine the site, Red, you would find that MediaMatters is a balanced outlet, and has never received funding from George Soros despite what Matt Drudge and others in the right wing punditocracy claim.

The Washington Times, on the other hand receives funding from Sung Myung Moon, and is a well know right-wing media outlet. Hell, there isn't even funding for a wetlands restoration project in San Francisco...a complete fabrication that.

You're still a dupe Red.

Untrue Bully, the tentacles of Soros are deep, Media Matters and David Brock being but one. The trail is convoluted and constantly shifting:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9514.html

[red states rule]

and again BP here is the source for the $30 million

snip

Lawmakers and administration officials divulged Wednesday that the $789 billion economic stimulus bill being finalized behind closed doors in Congress includes $30 million for wetlands restoration that the Obama administration intends to spend in the San Francisco Bay Area to protect, among other things, the endangered salt marsh harvest mouse.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi represents the city of San Francisco and has previously championed preserving the mouse's habitat in the Bay Area.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/12/earmark-less-bill-gives-pelosis-mouse-cookie/

[Kathianne]

BP, seldom do I question sources, but Media Matters? I'd be careful of defining 'debunked':



I KNOW let's go check it out online! Whoops, can't do, the *uckers haven't made it available! Either side can can misinform the public any way they choose to. I criticize RSR when he goes too far, this wasn't one of those times.

A point that my post was correct.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/washington-whispers/2009/2/12/congressional-offices-dont-have-the-stimulus-bill-lobbyists-do.html


Congressional Offices Don't Have the Stimulus Bill, Lobbyists Do
February 12, 2009 04:14 PM ET | Paul Bedard | Permanent Link | Print
By Paul Bedard, Washington Whispers

We're receiving E-mails from Capitol Hill staffers expressing frustration that they can't get a copy of the stimulus bill agreed to last night at a price of $789 billion. What's more, staffers are complaining about who does have a copy: K Street lobbyists. E-mails one key Democratic staffer: "K Street has the bill, or chunks of it, already, and the congressional offices don't. So, the Hill is getting calls from the press (because it's leaking out) asking us to confirm or talk about what we know—but we can't do that because we haven't seen the bill. Anyway, peeps up here are sort of a combo of confused and like, 'Is this really happening?'" Reporters pressing for details, meanwhile, are getting different numbers from different offices, especially when seeking the details of specific programs.

Worse, there seem to be several different versions of what was agreed upon, with some officials circulating older versions of the package that seems to still be developing. Leadership aides said that it will work out later today and promised that lawmakers will get time to review the bill before Friday's vote.
Sure they will, nearly 1450 pages and counting...

[PostmodernProphet]

balanced or not, after reading the Media Matters article I must conclude this.....nowhere do they say that the stimulus package does NOT contain $30 million dollars to preserve the salt marsh, they only deny that Pelosi put it in......

[red states rule]

balanced or not, after reading the Media Matters article I must conclude this.....nowhere do they say that the stimulus package does NOT contain $30 million dollars to preserve the salt marsh, they only deny that Pelosi put it in......

Actually the salt marsh harvest mouse will become a major food source for all the jobless in the San Francisco area once Dems are done fixing the economy

[bullypulpit]

Untrue Bully, the tentacles of Soros are deep, Media Matters and David Brock being but one. The trail is convoluted and constantly shifting:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9514.html

Progressive Media USA...Not Media Matters. Can't find ANY independently verifiable evidence of George Soros funding Media Matters.


So far BP you have not proven Pelosi's pork project does not exist. You consider them a fair and balanced group since they hate conservatibes as much as you do

Again, Red, there is no specific language in the bill regarding San Francisco wetlands restoration. The California Coastal Conservancy wants to use $30 million for wetlands restoration...but has no guarantees that it will receive any funds for the project. You can't prove a negative Red. And no Red, I don't hate conservatives...Bill Buckley and Barry Goldwater were great conservatives. You and your ilk are but poor imitations.

[Kathianne]

Progressive Media USA...Not Media Matters. Can't find ANY independently verifiable evidence of George Soros funding Media Matters.



Again, Red, there is no specific language in the bill regarding San Francisco wetlands restoration. The California Coastal Conservancy wants to use $30 million for wetlands restoration...but has no guarantees that it will receive any funds for the project. You can't prove a negative Red. And no Red, I don't hate conservatives...Bill Buckley and Barry Goldwater were great conservatives. You and your ilk are but poor imitations.

Bully, you and all of us know the problem with 'no specific language.' GAG ME.

[Silver]

You demonstrate a sillyness beyond that of a goose, rsr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Have you nothing of a serious nature to represent?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?

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Psychoblues

The only thing fucking disturbing about this thread is your stupidity in not recognizing that $30,000,000 spent on a fuckin' mouse at this point is seriously WRONG

[bullypulpit]

The only thing fucking disturbing about this thread is your stupidity in not recognizing that $30,000,000 spent on a fuckin' mouse at this point is seriously WRONG

No, what is truly disturbing is your willingness to uncritically swallow patently false GOP propaganda as if it were manna from heaven. What a good little apparatchik you are.

[red states rule]

No, what is truly disturbing is your willingness to uncritically swallow patently false GOP propaganda as if it were manna from heaven. What a good little apparatchik you are.

Yea BP, just like Pelosi and Obama promise there would no pork t all in the bill :laugh2:

From my link in to OP

Lawmakers and administration officials divulged Wednesday that the $789 billion economic stimulus bill being finalized behind closed doors in Congress includes $30 million for wetlands restoration that the Obama administration intends to spend in the San Francisco Bay Area to protect, among other things, the endangered salt marsh harvest mouse.

[bullypulpit]

Bully, you and all of us know the problem with 'no specific language.' GAG ME.

And what problem might that be? There is no language providing funds for "saving mice". The California Coastal Conservancy would like the money, but there is no assurance they're going to get it. And what if there was such language? People would be employed to restore an ecosystem damaged in the blind pursuit of profit. Those people would then be able to buy goods and services which would, in turn, lead to employment for those supplying those goods and services. That's the amplifying effect that govenrnment spending on infrastructure has.

Again, where were you, when the Bush administration was racking up the $1 trillion deficit they left behind? I didn't see your protestations about leaving future generations a mountain of debt then.

[red states rule]

And what problem might that be? There is no language providing funds for "saving mice". The California Coastal Conservancy would like the money, but there is no assurance they're going to get it.

Again, where were you, when the Bush administration was racking up the $1 trillion deficit they left behind? I didn't see your protestations about leaving future generations a mountain of debt then.

As usual BP, you change the topic when boxed in the corner. Dems ran on CHANGE, and told voters they would not do what Republicans were doing

Now, Dems run up nearly $1 trillion in pork and political payoffs and pass it of as a stimulus bill

We have a trillion her, next week Obama will ask for up to $2 trillion for the banks, we have had another trillion is previous bailouts - so Dems keep spending and running up the debt while you are bitching about Republicans did

[PostmodernProphet]

a trillion a month in spending is change.....we never did that before....

[red states rule]

Well, you have to hire construction workers to build those little mouse houses.
and little mouse parks, drinking fountains, and mangers for nesting

[bullypulpit]

As usual BP, you change the topic when boxed in the corner. Dems ran on CHANGE, and told voters they would not do what Republicans were doing

Now, Dems run up nearly $1 trillion in pork and political payoffs and pass it of as a stimulus bill

We have a trillion her, next week Obama will ask for up to $2 trillion for the banks, we have had another trillion is previous bailouts - so Dems keep spending and running up the debt while you are bitching about Republicans did

Actually I addressed the topic in the first paragraph. And the second paragraph addressed a salient point in the conversation..."Where we you when the Bush administration was running up a $1 trillion deficit?" Your protestations over the Bush administration racking up a mountain of debt for future generations were nowhere to be found.

Oh, and about the "mouse"

<center><a href=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/02/13/EDIS15TRBG.DTL>The myth of the 'San Francisco mouse'</a></center>

It's sad, really...The only thing the GOP has left is a hypothetical fight over imaginary spending.

[bullypulpit]

Well, you have to hire construction workers to build those little mouse houses.
and little mouse parks, drinking fountains, and mangers for nesting

Oh, Red. Once more, when backed into a corner, you resort to childish retorts. My 10 year old nephew debates with more more artfulness and cunning than you.

[red states rule]

Actually I addressed the topic in the first paragraph. And the second paragraph addressed a salient point in the conversation..."Where we you when the Bush administration was running up a $1 trillion deficit?" Your protestations over the Bush administration racking up a mountain of debt for future generations were nowhere to be found.

Oh, and about the "mouse"

<center><a href=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/02/13/EDIS15TRBG.DTL>The myth of the 'San Francisco mouse'</a></center>

It's sad, really...The thing the GOP has left is a hypothetical fight over imaginary spending.


Imaginary?

Dems are getting caught up in trying to spin the facts. So far libs have tried to dent the CBO report, they broke their promise to post the bill online, and now they try to lie about the mouse money

It's like saying the story of apple that fell on Newton's head is apocryphal, therefore there's no such thing as gravity.

[red states rule]

Oh, Red. Once more, when backed into a corner, you resort to childish retorts. My 10 year old nephew debates with more more artfulness and cunning than you.

It does sound like a building project liberals like you and Pelosi would support

[bullypulpit]

It does sound like a building project liberals like you and Pelosi would support

<center><img src=http://www.anvari.org/db/cols/The_Simpsons_Characters_Picture_Gallery/Nelson_Muntz.png></center>

<center><h1>HA! HA!</h1></center>

[red states rule]

<center><img src=http://www.anvari.org/db/cols/The_Simpsons_Characters_Picture_Gallery/Nelson_Muntz.png></center>

<center><h1>HA! HA!</h1></center>

My BP your debate skills are improving

However, the money was cut from $30 million to $20 million

How can we go on, with only saving 2/3 of these vital rodents?

It will be the worst rodent crisis since the Pied Piper of Hamlin

But someone some of this money will end up in Pselosi' campaign account via giddy libs over saving some of the mice