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red states rule

01-15-2009, 07:10 AM

Excuse me..but, didn't libs have a fit when Pres Bush said the same thing?

The liberal media put it on the front page and in endless op-eds

Now, when Obama says it - damn I can hear a pin drop

Barack Obama: it is no longer essential to kill Osama bin Laden

Barack Obama suggested last night that removing Osama bin Laden from the battlefield was no longer essential and that America's security goals could be achieved merely by keeping al-Qaeda "on the run".

"My preference obviously would be to capture or kill him," he said. "But if we have so tightened the noose that he's in a cave somewhere and can't even communicate with his operatives then we will meet our goal of protecting America."

His comments, in a CBS interview, represent a significant watering down of the "dead or alive" policy pursued by President Bush since the terror attacks of September 11, 2001. They also appear to contradict Mr Obama's own statements made in the election campaign.

As recently as October 7, in a presidential debate, Mr Obama said: "We will kill bin Laden. We will crush al-Qaeda. That has to be our biggest national security priority."

Yesterday, the President-elect adopted far less aggressive language, saying his "No 1 priority" was to protect America from further attack.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5520116.ece

red states rule

01-15-2009, 09:29 AM

and this is what Obama said a couple months ago

November 17, 2008

Barack Obama: US must capture or kill Osama bin Laden

Catching or killing Osama bin Laden will be one of the key targets of Barack Obama's administration as it is "critical" to American national security, the US president-elect confirmed last night.

In his first televised interview since his historic election, Mr Obama made good on his rhetoric from the campaign trail that the hunt for bin Laden would remain top priority for the US.

He told CBS that "it is a top priority for us to stamp out Al-Qaeda once and for all" and that killing or capturing the group’s mastermind Osama bin Laden was "critical" to the US.

"Particularly in light of the problems that we’re having in Afghanistan, which has continued to worsen. We’ve got to shore up those efforts," the President-elect said.

Mr Obama also revealed that he is taking very seriously the threat of a major terrorist attack on America in the next few weeks, after warnings from both sides of the Atlantic that terrorists would step up the activity during the transition period during and after the dying days of the Bush presidency.

"I think it’s important to get a national security team in place because transition periods are potentially times of vulnerability to a terrorist attack. We want to make sure that there is as seamless a transition on national security as possible," he said.

The Bush Administration has been defined largely by the 9/11 attacks, which came within a year of his taking office, and President Bush has repeatedly described the acute vulnerability of the US during a transition.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5170644.ece

FSUK

01-15-2009, 08:26 PM

Well due the policies of the bush admin since 2001, thousands of obl's must have been created. Unjust wars and aggressions by the US have only reinforced the determination of loonies such as obl.

Silver

01-15-2009, 08:49 PM

manu1959

01-15-2009, 10:01 PM

Well due the policies of the bush admin since 2001, thousands of obl's must have been created. Unjust wars and aggressions by the US have only reinforced the determination of loonies such as obl.

name a just war.......name a war that is not one of agression........explain the 6 attacks on us interest and soil during the 8 years prior to bush.....

darin

01-16-2009, 08:07 AM

The Democrat party acts like fly paper for idiots.

Classact

01-16-2009, 11:06 AM

The Democrat party acts like fly paper for idiots.Can I use that for my signatrue? That's funny!

I think the reason Bush downplayed capturing or killing OBL is because if he had the "left" would say, war over now let's get back to domestic program spending programs. OBL is worth more alive than dead in a liberal media world!

darin

01-16-2009, 11:22 AM

Go for it. It's not my saying, however...something I've heard over time...originally (and would make sense too in this context) it was 'I must be flypaper for freaks.'

:)

red states rule

01-17-2009, 07:44 AM

How come when shit like this is brought to the attention of the liberal meatheads they clam up ....
They had plenty to say when Bush said exactly the same thing.....

I will give Obama credit on this - he is sticking with another policy of Pres Bush. It has to piss off his liberal base to no end :laugh2:

FSUK

01-17-2009, 09:16 AM

name a just war.......name a war that is not one of agression........explain the 6 attacks on us interest and soil during the 8 years prior to bush.....

SO why did the US invade afghanistan? why did they invade iraq? please tell me the the motives?

And the the ''6 attacks'' were probably due to america's sexual relationship with israel. They support the israel in every case, and show no balance in their injust and immoral foreign policies to muslim nations. This is probably why some loony toon terrorists felt they would hit the US. I condemn all these terror attacks, its not right. However, the israel-palestine conflict is a breeder for terrorism. And OBL wanted US troops out of saudi for years before Bush came to office.

red states rule

01-17-2009, 09:19 AM

SO why did the US invade afghanistan? why did they invade iraq? please tell me the the motives?

And the the ''6 attacks'' were probably due to america's sexual relationship with israel. They support the israel in every case, and show no balance in their injust and immoral foreign policies to muslim nations. This is probably why some loony toon terrorists felt they would hit the US. I condemn all these terror attacks, its not right. However, the israel-palestine conflict is a breeder for terrorism. And OBL wanted US troops out of saudi for years before Bush came to office.

The harsh reality is that its not "what is done" but "WHO" does it.

Muslims can cut off heads and libs look for something we did to provoke it.

Americans make a Muslim be examined by a female physician, or take away their Koran, and it is considered a capital crime.

FSUK

01-17-2009, 09:27 AM

The harsh reality is that its not "what is done" but "WHO" does it.

Muslims can cut off heads and libs look for something we did to provoke it.

Americans make a Muslim be examined by a female physician, or take away their Koran, and it is considered a capital crime.

Bullshit, im sorry to say. I like how you avoided my previous post- about the reasons for invading those countries and the possible motives for attacking US prior to Bush. Again, you attack islam and just try to justify war crimes and immorality directed at innocent people around the world. Do you think president bush or tony blair would stand for a iraqi soldier pissing on the holy bible and then ripping the pages out? Dont you think, people would call for those soldiers to be punished or taken to trial? You see, you guys live by double standards. One set of rules for american and its girlfriend israel- and another set for brown, black, fair coloured MUSLIMS. Oh actually, saudi arabia is an exception, america is having an affair with the saudis..- OIL!. even thought, saudi royal family are the ones who practice the most strictest version of islam.

red states rule

01-17-2009, 09:29 AM

Bullshit, im sorry to say. I like how you avoided my previous post- about the reasons for invading those countries and the possible motives for attacking US prior to Bush. Again, you attack islam and just try to justify war crimes and immorality directed at innocent people around the world. Do you think president bush or tony blair would stand for a iraqi soldier pissing on the holy bible and then ripping the pages out? Dont you think, people would call for those soldiers to be punished or taken to trial? You see, you guys live by double standards. One set of rules for american and its girlfriend israel- and another set for brown, black, fair coloured MUSLIMS. Oh actually, saudi arabia is an exception, america is having an affair with the saudis..- OIL!. even thought, saudi royal family are the ones who practice the most strictest version of islam.

I am also against the torture of terrorists.

They deserve a long drop and a sudden stop.

Our troops have always been tortured, our citizens murdered; yet the US continues to treat our enemies very well

Grow up, and stop sprewing the anti US BS

FSUK

01-17-2009, 09:36 AM

I am also against the torture of terrorists.

They deserve a long drop and a sudden stop.

Our troops have always been tortured, our citizens murdered; yet the US continues to treat our enemies very well

Grow up, and stop sprewing the anti US BS

I am not anti US. and im not anti israel. Im just totally against double standards and intolerance. Thats what annoys me!. I commend the US soldiers for leaving their homes and going to fight in tough places such as iraq etc, its brave, no doubt about it. I just feel that the policies of the bush admin are simply full of double standards.

red states rule

01-17-2009, 09:40 AM

I am not anti US. and im not anti israel. Im just totally against double standards and intolerance. Thats what annoys me!. I commend the US soldiers for leaving their homes and going to fight in tough places such as iraq etc, its brave, no doubt about it. I just feel that the policies of the bush admin are simply full of double standards.

and Obama seems to be keeping those policies :laugh2:

FSUK

01-17-2009, 09:46 AM

and Obama seems to be keeping those policies :laugh2:

yeah he will be the same. But, im quite sure he will be more willing to have some contact with hamas, and states like syria.

stephanie

01-17-2009, 09:52 AM

yeah he will be the same. But, im quite sure he will be more willing to have some contact with hamas, and states like syria.

he will have tea and shortcakes with them, that should appease them

red states rule

01-17-2009, 09:52 AM

yeah he will be the same. But, im quite sure he will be more willing to have some contact with hamas, and states like syria.

Why shouldn't Obama sit down with hamas? Some of Obama's best friends are terrorists - like Bill Ayers

5stringJeff

01-17-2009, 09:59 AM

I am also against the torture of terrorists.

No you're not! You support and defend waterboarding at Gitmo!

red states rule

01-17-2009, 10:00 AM

No you're not! You support and defend waterboarding at Gitmo!

Waterboarding is NOT torture. We been over that time and time again

5stringJeff

01-17-2009, 10:22 AM

Waterboarding is NOT torture. We been over that time and time again

And time and time again, you are shown how waterboarding is torture. It's not my fault that you refuse to listen.

red states rule

01-17-2009, 10:24 AM

And time and time again, you are shown how waterboarding is torture. It's not my fault that you refuse to listen.

BS. Shooting a little water down the nose of a terrorist is not torture

FSUK

01-17-2009, 10:48 AM

BS. Shooting a little water down the nose of a terrorist is not torture

im sure you would be saying that if you were water boarded.NOT.

red states rule

01-17-2009, 10:50 AM

im sure you would be saying that if you were water boarded.NOT.

I am not a terrorist, nor a member of some branchs of the US military that are waterboarded as part of their training

It is not torture asshole - it was used three times to break the terrorists

5stringJeff

01-17-2009, 10:52 AM

BS. Shooting a little water down the nose of a terrorist is not torture

It's not "shooting water down the nose." It's pouring water down someone's throat until they're almost drowned. That's the threat of imminent death, which is the legal definition of torture (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00002340----000-.html#1). So yes, waterboarding is torture.

red states rule

01-17-2009, 10:54 AM

It's not "shooting water down the nose." It's pouring water down someone's throat until they're almost drowned. That's the threat of imminent death, which is the legal definition of torture (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00002340----000-.html#1). So yes, waterboarding is torture.

It SIMULATES drowning

Your poor little terrorist is not in any danger Jeff when the water in squirted down his nose

FSUK

01-17-2009, 10:58 AM

he will have tea and shortcakes with them, that should appease them

well, its better to have some level of discussion with your enemies, otherwise isolating them will only increase the threats to america. Its foolish to isolate them. Anyway, what has iran done? what has syria done? they have not attacked the US!. They may arm or fund some freedom fighters in some parts of the world fighting illegal occupation.

stephanie

01-17-2009, 11:13 AM

well, its better to have some level of discussion with your enemies, otherwise isolating them will only increase the threats to america. Its foolish to isolate them. Anyway, what has iran done? what has syria done? they have not attacked the US!. They may arm or fund some freedom fighters in some parts of the world fighting illegal occupation.

Your country has been hit by terrorist, yet you have the nerve to call them freedom fighters.

you really are a useful tool

red states rule

01-17-2009, 11:15 AM

Your country has been hit by terrorist, yet you have the nerve to call them freedom fighters.

you really are a useful tool

and he would blame Pres Bush and the US

-Cp

01-17-2009, 05:14 PM