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Kathianne
01-10-2009, 01:35 PM
Thought it was about "Zionism" apparently not, as most of us recognized long ago:

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/hamas-gaza-jewish-2277487-muslims-state#


Friday, January 9, 2009
Mark Steyn: The 'oldest hatred' lives, from Gaza to Florida
Jew-hating pathologies ultimately harm the Jew-hater, too.

By MARK STEYN
SYNDICATED COLUMNIST

In Toronto, anti-Israel demonstrators yell "You are the brothers of pigs!," and a protester complains to his interviewer that "Hitler didn't do a good job."

In Fort Lauderdale, Palestinian supporters sneer at Jews, "You need a big oven, that's what you need!"

In Amsterdam, the crowd shouts, "Hamas, Hamas! Jews to the gas!"
In Paris, the state-owned TV network France-2 broadcasts film of dozens of dead Palestinians killed in an Israeli air raid on New Year's Day. The channel subsequently admits that, in fact, the footage is not from Jan. 1, 2009, but from 2005, and, while the corpses are certainly Palestinian, they were killed when a truck loaded with Hamas explosives detonated prematurely while leaving the Jabaliya refugee camp in another of those unfortunate work-related accidents to which Gaza is sadly prone. Conceding that the Palestinians supposedly killed by Israel were, alas, killed by Hamas, France-2 says the footage was broadcast "accidentally."

In Toulouse, a synagogue is firebombed; in Bordeaux, two kosher butchers are attacked; at the Auber RER train station, a Jewish man is savagely assaulted by 20 youths taunting, "Palestine will kill the Jews"; in Villiers-le-Bel, a Jewish schoolgirl is brutally beaten by a gang jeering, "Jews must die."

....

Only Israel attracts an intellectually respectable movement querying its very existence. For the purposes of comparison, let's take a state that came into existence at the exact same time as the Zionist Entity, and involved far bloodier population displacements. I happen to think the creation of Pakistan was the greatest failure of post-war British imperial policy. But the fact is that Pakistan exists, and if I were to launch a movement of anti-Pakism it would get pretty short shrift.
But, even allowing for that, what has a schoolgirl in Villiers-le-Bel to do with Israeli government policy? Just weeks ago, terrorists attacked Mumbai, seized hostages, tortured them, killed them, and mutilated their bodies. The police intercepts of the phone conversations between the terrorists and their controllers make for lively reading:

"Pakistan caller 1: 'Kill all hostages, except the two Muslims. Keep your phone switched on so that we can hear the gunfire.'

"Mumbai terrorist 2: 'We have three foreigners, including women. From Singapore and China'

"Pakistan caller 1: 'Kill them.'
"(Voices of gunmen can be heard directing hostages to stand in a line, and telling two Muslims to stand aside. Sound of gunfire. Sound of cheering voices.)"

"Kill all hostages, except the two Muslims."

Tough for those Singaporean women. Yet no mosques in Singapore have been attacked. The large Hindu populations in London, Toronto and Fort Lauderdale have not shouted "Muslims must die!" or firebombed Halal butchers or attacked hijab-clad schoolgirls. CAIR and other Muslim lobby groups' eternal bleating about "Islamophobia" is in inverse proportion to any examples of it. Meanwhile, "moderate Muslims" in London warn the government: "I'm a peaceful fellow myself, but I can't speak for my excitable friends. Nice little G7 advanced Western democracy you got here. Shame if anything were to happen to it."

But why worry about European Muslims? The European political and media class essentially shares the same view of the situation – to the point where state TV stations are broadcasting fake Israeli "war crimes."

As I always say, the "oldest hatred" didn't get that way without an ability to adapt: Once upon a time on the Continent, Jews were hated as rootless cosmopolitan figures who owed no national allegiance. So they became a conventional nation state, and now they're hated for that. And, if Hamas get their way and destroy the Jewish state, the few who survive will be hated for something else. So it goes.

But Jew-hating has consequences for the Jew-hater, too. A few years ago the poet Nizar Qabbani wrote an ode to the intifada:


O mad people of Gaza,
a thousand greetings to the mad
The age of political reason
has long departed
so teach us madness.

You can just about understand why living in Gaza would teach you madness. The enthusiastic adoption of the same pathologies by mainstream Europe is even more deranged – and in the end will prove just as self-destructive.

namvet
01-10-2009, 02:20 PM
talk is cheap. continue with Muslim genocide.

5stringJeff
01-10-2009, 07:58 PM
continue with Muslim genocide.

That makes you no different than the Jew-haters, you realize.

namvet
01-10-2009, 08:04 PM
That makes you no different than the Jew-haters, you realize.


opinions are like A holes...............

5stringJeff
01-10-2009, 08:09 PM
opinions are like A holes...............

Says the subject matter expert.

namvet
01-10-2009, 08:11 PM
Says the subject matter expert.

who wants to exterminate who?????

Yurt
01-10-2009, 08:15 PM
who wants to exterminate who?????

accordign to your post, you want to exterminate muslims

namvet
01-10-2009, 08:17 PM
accordign to your post, you want to exterminate muslims

nice misdirection play. you just lost 25 yards. try again.

5stringJeff
01-11-2009, 04:56 PM
accordign to your post, you want to exterminate muslims


nice misdirection play. you just lost 25 yards. try again.

Wrong. You want to eliminate muslims, as you posted yourself, in this very thread:


talk is cheap. continue with Muslim genocide.

Now, the fact that a lot of Muslims would like to eliminate all the Jews is incorrigible, but that doesn't make the goal of eliminating all Muslims anymore laudable.

namvet
01-11-2009, 05:40 PM
Wrong. You want to eliminate muslims, as you posted yourself, in this very thread:



Now, the fact that a lot of Muslims would like to eliminate all the Jews is incorrigible, but that doesn't make the goal of eliminating all Muslims anymore laudable.

again: OVER THERE who wants to exterminate who?????

Kathianne
01-11-2009, 05:41 PM
again: OVER THERE who wants to exterminate who?????

Over where? ME? Europe? Fla? Asia?

namvet
01-11-2009, 05:49 PM
Over where? ME? Europe? Fla? Asia?

the only subject were talking about here. the middle east war

Kathianne
01-11-2009, 05:54 PM
the only subject were talking about here. the middle east war

I thought it was eradicating Muslims. They are not only in ME and are not the only anti-Jews around, as evidenced by the article-you know the subject of the thread?

namvet
01-11-2009, 06:11 PM
let make this simple

in THIS war between Isreal and Hamsas who wants to exterminate who?????

who wants to drive who into the sea

answer????

Kathianne
01-11-2009, 06:15 PM
let make this simple

in THIS war between Isreal and Hamsas who wants to exterminate who?????

who wants to drive who into the sea

answer????

To answer your simple question, Hamas wishes to exterminate Israel. That doesn't equate with all Muslims or even Palestinians. Yet YOU, not Israel is calling for the 'continued' extermination of all Muslims.

Mr. P
01-11-2009, 06:23 PM
Got yer a-hole in a crack there, namvet. :popcorn:

namvet
01-11-2009, 06:24 PM
To answer your simple question, Hamas wishes to exterminate Israel. That doesn't equate with all Muslims or even Palestinians. Yet YOU, not Israel is calling for the 'continued' extermination of all Muslims.

and the 80,000 plus suicide bombers in Iran ready to go to Isreal???? for starters. they all hate the jews

I am calling for the 'continued' extermination of all Muslims.

Kathianne
01-11-2009, 06:25 PM
and the 80,000 plus suicide bombers in Iran ready to go to Isreal???? for starters. they all hate the jews

I am calling for the 'continued' extermination of all Muslims.

And that's why Jeff responded as he did.

namvet
01-11-2009, 06:25 PM
Got yer a-hole in a crack there, namvet. :popcorn:

no

Mr. P
01-11-2009, 06:30 PM
no

No sane person calls for the extermination of any group, bud. yer wrong and insane if you think it's ok to do so.

namvet
01-11-2009, 06:35 PM
No sane person calls for the extermination of any group, bud. yer wrong and insane if you think it's ok to do so.

Got yer a-hole in a crack there, mr P

Gaffer
01-12-2009, 10:24 AM
No sane person calls for the extermination of any group, bud. yer wrong and insane if you think it's ok to do so.

Calling for the eradication of a religion is not calling for extermination. Bushido was eradicated in Japan. Nazism was eradicated in Germany. They are still practiced, but not to the extremes they were in the 20th century. The same needs to be done to islam. That's what namvet is calling for and I agree with him. Destroying a belief system is not genocide.

Mr. P
01-12-2009, 03:53 PM
I am calling for the 'continued' extermination of all Muslims.


Calling for the eradication of a religion is not calling for extermination. Bushido was eradicated in Japan. Nazism was eradicated in Germany. They are still practiced, but not to the extremes they were in the 20th century. The same needs to be done to islam. That's what namvet is calling for and I agree with him. Destroying a belief system is not genocide.

Sorry, gaffer...theres a fine line between the extermination of "ALL" Muslims and Islam. Like exterminating all Christians but not Christianity.