Israeli/Palestine Issues Forum [Archive] - Debate Policy

Psychoblues

01-01-2009, 09:54 AM

moon

01-01-2009, 10:14 AM

There are solutions and it can be discussed, on any level, contrary to your assertion. However, as the conflict is THE most important in the sphere of American foreign policy and as it is at the root of a great deal of the woe that has befallen America in recent times, including the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan , the consequences of which are now hitting the pockets of all Americans, I support your request.
It would serve to highlight the issue and counter the lies and propaganda to which America has been exposed for decades at the whim of the Zionist media.

Happy new year back.

Psychoblues

01-01-2009, 10:21 AM

I remain unconvinced of any of what you have to say on this issue, moonie. I continue to believe that a specific forum for these discussions would be best for the board, the posters, the subject and for the issues.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anybody up for a refreshment!??!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

moon

01-01-2009, 10:29 AM

Yes, I just agreed with you. Unfortunately, the New Klan would like such a forum on a different site.

Psychoblues

01-01-2009, 10:36 AM

I remain also unconvinced that you did, moonie.

Yes, I just agreed with you.

The willy nilly dispersions of the subject matter forum to forum on this board is distracting to say the least when a particular one for it would be best and all threads that turn into Israeli/Palestinian flamefests would have a good place to go, if you get my drift?!?!?!??!?!??!??!??!?!?

Seriously,

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

5stringJeff

01-01-2009, 10:45 AM

Would there be any way to create a forum specifically designed to address these particular issues? As I have stated before, I have seen thousands of threads burned at the stake and several otherwise pretty good websites completely disappear due to the overwhelming and incessant discussion of these topics which have no solutions and cannot be addressed competently on this level or any other that I can foresee. In any event, the Israeli/Palestinian issues seem to be gathering here and it also seems to me that a forum of their own would be appropriate for them.

Just a suggestion.

There's already an "International Politics" forum, which is not a heavy-traffic forum, where the Israel-Palestine issues already fit.

There are solutions and it can be discussed, on any level, contrary to your assertion. However, as the conflict is THE most important in the sphere of American foreign policy and as it is at the root of a great deal of the woe that has befallen America in recent times, including the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan , the consequences of which are now hitting the pockets of all Americans, I support your request.
It would serve to highlight the issue and counter the lies and propaganda to which America has been exposed for decades at the whim of the Zionist media.

Happy new year back.

The Israel-Palestinian conflict is THE most important American foreign policy issue? Really? More so than Iraq, Afghanistan, al Qaeda, free trade, NATO, Russia, China, or North Korea? What makes it so incredibly important?

moon

01-01-2009, 10:52 AM

psychoblues;

The willy nilly dispersions of the subject matter forum to forum on this board is distracting to say the least when a particular one for it would be best and all threads that turn into Israeli/Palestinian flamefests would have a good place to go, if you get my drift?!?!?!??!?!??!??!??!?!?

Well then, if you were suggesting a trash can then you should have had the single-mindedness to say so.

I repeat, it is the most important issue of US foreign policy and deserves maximum exposure, if only for the sake of the Great American Deceived.

5stringJeff;

The Israel-Palestinian conflict is THE most important American foreign policy issue? Really? More so than Iraq, Afghanistan, al Qaeda, free trade, NATO, Russia, China, or North Korea? What makes it so incredibly important?
Without the injustices of the Palestine conflict there wouldn't be any 'war on terror'. No anti-Islamism and no cultural wars either. You think anti-Americanism thrives for any other reason ? You think that current 'relations' with Russia and China, for example, are more important than 'Iraq, Afghanistan and so-called War on Terror ' , including a possible aggressive attack on Iran ?

Psychoblues

01-01-2009, 11:15 AM

I would certainly be more than glad to agree with you, jeff, except that this issue comes up time and again in practically every forum on the board and seems to pervade all other international interests.

There's already an "International Politics" forum, which is not a heavy-traffic forum, where the Israel-Palestine issues already fit.

Like I said, it is just a suggestion and one that I continue to consider a valid one.

I'm not arguing with you, jeff, just pointing out that the issue is becoming at least important enough to warrant it's own nesting place!!!!!!!!!!!!

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How's the java holding up?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!

:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

moon

01-01-2009, 11:27 AM

this issue comes up time and again in practically every forum on the board and seems to pervade all other international interests.

You mean more important than events in America's other UN partner-in-crime, the Marshall Islands ?

Psychoblues

01-01-2009, 11:28 AM

I never said such a thing, moonie.

psychoblues;

Well then, if you were suggesting a trash can then you should have had the single-mindedness to say so.

But, you certainly understand that I have sinister objectives and ulterior motivations for about all I say here, don't you? Or so I would believe based on things that I've seen you say about me to other posters here.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

moon

01-01-2009, 11:48 AM

You're good at feeding rope to the New Klan. Maybe you want to see them hang themselves, maybe you're a voyeur. I haven't entirely made up my mind.

Psychoblues

01-01-2009, 11:57 AM

First off, I don't feed rope. Secondly, I don't know what in hell the "New Klan" is. And thirdly, good luck making up your feeble mind about anything beyond your incessant argumentations concerning the Israeli/Palestinian issues.

You're good at feeding rope to the New Klan. Maybe you want to see them hang themselves, maybe you're a voyeur. I haven't entirely made up my mind.

I am on dial up, freak. I don't even begin to bring up pictures, video, even audio!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Voyeur, indeed?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

moon

01-01-2009, 12:12 PM

Feeble mind ? Freak ? And you think that 'voyeurism' is somehow associated with media ?

I suggest that you've been sussed .

Kathianne

01-01-2009, 12:14 PM

PB, I think you are now a 'neo-con' and part of the 'new klan'. Moving up in the world, babe! :cheers2:

Psychoblues

01-01-2009, 12:16 PM

Damn, I just hate it when that happens, Kat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PB, I think you are now a 'neo-con' and part of the 'new klan'. Moving up in the world, babe! :cheers2:

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How's the Java holding up for ya?!??!???!??!?!?!?!

:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

actsnoblemartin

01-01-2009, 12:17 PM

you are a one trick pony, trying discussing other issues as well.

or are you out of talking points :coffee:

psychoblues;

Well then, if you were suggesting a trash can then you should have had the single-mindedness to say so.

I repeat, it is the most important issue of US foreign policy and deserves maximum exposure, if only for the sake of the Great American Deceived.

5stringJeff;

Without the injustices of the Palestine conflict there wouldn't be any 'war on terror'. No anti-Islamism and no cultural wars either. You think anti-Americanism thrives for any other reason ? You think that current 'relations' with Russia and China, for example, are more important than 'Iraq, Afghanistan and so-called War on Terror ' , including a possible aggressive attack on Iran ?

moon

01-01-2009, 12:23 PM

It's funny how the issue of having a gun held to your head seems to eclipse the others somewhat. You ever noticed that ?

Yurt

01-01-2009, 01:39 PM

You mean more important than events in America's other UN partner-in-crime, the Marshall Islands ?

WTF? marshall islands?

moon

01-01-2009, 01:55 PM

GENERAL ASSEMBLY EMERGENCY SESSION OVERWHELMINGLY DEMANDS ISRAEL’S COMPLIANCE

WITH INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE ADVISORY OPINION

Vote: 150-6-10

By a vote of 150 in favour to 6 against (Australia, Federated States of Micronesia, Israel, Marshall Islands, Palau, United States)

Yeah, the freakin' Marshall Islands vote carries the same weight as Lebanon.

Yurt

01-01-2009, 01:59 PM

Yeah, the freakin' Marshall Islands vote carries the same weight as Lebanon.

how does that make MI a partner in crime of the UN?

actsnoblemartin

01-01-2009, 02:02 PM

I would head to the negotiation table, not target innnocent civilians

It's funny how the issue of having a gun held to your head seems to eclipse the others somewhat. You ever noticed that ?

moon

01-01-2009, 02:08 PM

how does that make MI a partner in crime of the UN?
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This is getting really dreary. The 'crime' was in brown-nosing Israel over the ICJ ruling. Same goes for Pallua. I doubt they even know where Palestine is. Along with a lot of schmucks I've come across recently.

Yurt

01-01-2009, 02:10 PM

This is getting really dreary. The 'crime' was in brown-nosing Israel over the ICJ ruling.

i agree, your logic is really quite dreary

moon

01-01-2009, 02:12 PM

I was actually addressing psychoblues, in his 'deep cover', before your dreary intervention. No worries, lesson complete.

namvet

01-01-2009, 02:26 PM

moon is FUBAR !!!!!:lol::lol::laugh2:

moon

01-01-2009, 02:28 PM

Thar goes the neighborhood.

namvet

01-01-2009, 02:29 PM

Thar goes the neighborhood.

we'll gladly escort you to the city limits. ready?????:dance:

5stringJeff

01-02-2009, 12:04 PM

Yeah, the freakin' Marshall Islands vote carries the same weight as Lebanon.

So how would you distribute the votes in the UN?

moon

01-02-2009, 12:07 PM

Regional weighting comes to mind. You ?

5stringJeff

01-02-2009, 12:33 PM

Regional weighting comes to mind. You ?

I'd unilaterally withdraw American participation from the corrupt, worthless UN. I'd also give the UN 90 days to find a new HQ, off of US soil. Then I'd let them figure it out themselves.

moon

01-02-2009, 12:37 PM

Well, sensible people will always see your view as isolationist masochism.

5stringJeff

01-02-2009, 12:40 PM

Well, sensible people will always see your view as isolationist masochism.

Sensible people will realize that the UN would cease to function without American money and American support.

And I'm far from an isolationist. I'm probably the staunchest supporter of free trade around here. I support interaction with other countries through trade, not additional layers of government and bureaucracy.

moon

01-02-2009, 12:41 PM

No conformity with international law- no trade. Security Council resolution-in-waiting.

Sensible people will realize that the UN would cease to function without American money and American support.

It carried on just fine during the lengthy period that the US refused to pay its dues.

5stringJeff

01-02-2009, 12:47 PM

No conformity with international law- no trade. Security Council resolution-in-waiting.

No one will stop trading with America, potential UN resolution or not. It's the richest country on earth. And even if they did pass a resolution, so what? How are they going to enforce it?

moon

01-02-2009, 12:48 PM

How are trade restrictions enforced now ? It's ridiculous, mind, to even dwell upon the notion of the US ever cutting off its Security Council nose to spite its hegemonic face.

5stringJeff

01-02-2009, 12:56 PM

How are trade restrictions enforced now ? It's ridiculous, mind, to even dwell upon the notion of the US ever cutting off its Security Council nose to spite its hegemonic face.

The WTO, for most countries. But you don't even need that. A country simply needs to drop all tariffs, unilaterally, and voila, they can expect to see an increase in imports.

And leaving the UN has nothing to do with increasing American hegemony. It has everything to do with limiting the influence of government (in this case, international government) over Americans.

namvet

01-02-2009, 12:58 PM

How are trade restrictions enforced now ? It's ridiculous, mind, to even dwell upon the notion of the US ever cutting off its Security Council nose to spite its hegemonic face.

because we don't need the UN. its for killers like you

moon

01-02-2009, 12:59 PM

Thar goes the neighborhood.

namvet

01-02-2009, 01:01 PM

Thar goes the neighborhood.

yeah yours

moon

01-02-2009, 01:02 PM

The WTO, for most countries.

You want the WTO to survive without international law ?

And leaving the UN has nothing to do with increasing American hegemony.

I was actually implying that hegemony was one of the US Security Council perks.

5stringJeff

01-02-2009, 01:18 PM

You want the WTO to survive without international law ?

International law is merely a treaty agreement between signatory countries. So is the WTO. So yes, the WTO could survive without international law.

I was actually implying that hegemony was one of the US Security Council perks.

Yeah, the US's veto certainly does good, but only in the sense that the US still submits itself to the UN's authority. If we weren't a part of the UN, they could pass all the resolutions they wanted, but they would have no effect on America.

moon

01-02-2009, 02:00 PM

So yes, the WTO could survive without international law.

Sure. 'The recently WTO agreed shipments of x from group A to group B has been stolen by group C pirates' Who would give a toss ? Piracy is the new law.

they could pass all the resolutions they wanted, but they would have no effect on America.

You cannot be serious.

Kathianne

01-02-2009, 02:01 PM

Sure. 'The recently WTO agreed shipments of x from group A to group B has been stolen by group C pirates' Who would give a toss ? Piracy is the new law.

Much like Hamas, thanks for proving the point of the ineffectiveness of 'international law.'

moon

01-02-2009, 02:02 PM

Kathianne;

Much like Hamas, thanks for proving the point of the ineffectiveness of 'international law.'

Hamas piracy ? Should you be out without Tonto ?

Kathianne

01-02-2009, 02:05 PM

Kathianne;

Hamas piracy ? Should you be out without Tonto ?

Again tool, Hamas lawlessness and inability of international law to deal with problem.

moon

01-02-2009, 02:08 PM

'Tool' ? Is inter-thread name-calling the best you have in the way of any argument ?

Little-Acorn

01-02-2009, 02:09 PM

Would there be any way to create a forum specifically designed to address these particular issues?
An excellent suggestion. A good place to keep moonie, where he could play with himself and dream of annihilating Jews and destroying Israel to his heart's content, without bothering normal people.

Kathianne

01-02-2009, 02:09 PM

'Tool' ? Is inter-thread name-calling the best you have in the way of any argument ?

Do believe you started that, but hey, enjoy complaining.

moon

01-02-2009, 02:12 PM

'Complaining' ? Not me. I only complain about censorship. Rant your socks off.

Little-Acorn

01-02-2009, 02:17 PM

There are solutions
Yes. Hitler proposed one. Not everybody considered it a "solution", though.
and it can be discussed,
6,000,000 people are no longer around to discuss the issue. I see drawbacks. Moonie probably disagrees with me, and considers it a win-win.

There's already an "International Politics" forum, which is not a heavy-traffic forum, where the Israel-Palestine issues already fit.

Good. When can we start seeing moonie's I-hate-everything-Israel diatribes moved there, so he can "discuss" his favorite subject while the other forums air out a little?

Kathianne

01-02-2009, 02:22 PM

'Complaining' ? Not me. I only complain about censorship. Rant your socks off.
psst, I wasn't the one ranting, you were.

manu1959

01-02-2009, 02:29 PM

This is getting really dreary. The 'crime' was in brown-nosing Israel over the ICJ ruling. Same goes for Pallua. I doubt they even know where Palestine is. Along with a lot of schmucks I've come across recently.

no one knows where palestine is....as it doesn't exist......can't vote in favour of something that doesn't exist....

namvet

01-02-2009, 03:38 PM

let france germany or the soviets take care of this. we're to busy. they need a hobby anyway

5stringJeff

01-02-2009, 03:57 PM

Sure. 'The recently WTO agreed shipments of x from group A to group B has been stolen by group C pirates' Who would give a toss ? Piracy is the new law.

Arm the shippers. Or have your nation's navy protect your sea lanes.

You cannot be serious.

Do laws passed in the EU have any standing in the US? No. So would it be with UN resolutions, after the US had exited the organization.

moon

01-03-2009, 02:08 PM

little acorn;

Good. When can we start seeing moonie's I-hate-everything-Israel diatribes moved there, so he can "discuss" his favorite subject while the other forums air out a little?
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Aw, the liddle acorn's feeling harassed and wants time out.

Psychoblues

01-05-2009, 02:15 AM

Holy Moly, Kingfishes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I didn't see all that coming?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!

Can I repeat the request? Can we have an Israeli/Palestine Issue Forum? These conversations have infiltrated about every other forum in this section and started by various posters and really, my friends, there needs to be a special place for these conversations. Seriously, I have seen this shit happen on other message boards and I respect this one entirely too much to sit back and allow it to happen here on this so far most innocent one.

Dig it or not, the drinks are on me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

moon

01-06-2009, 04:50 AM

I repeat, the issue has permeated because it is THE most important issue on the American foreign policy calendar and second only to Guantanamo George's mammoth economic disaster as a cause for diminished US standing worldwide.
It deserves its own forum, surely, but that should not entail censorship of such discussion anywhere else. Imagine, for the sake of comparison, trying to condense all relevant comment into a Bushwhacker forum ? The editors would have repetitive strain injury.

namvet

01-06-2009, 09:29 AM