Israel Responds To 'End-of-Truce'

[Kathianne]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081227/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians/print;_ylt=AvP.fxNh69hGqsXFiZCqDKgUewgF


Israel launches air strikes on Gaza, 145 dead

By IBRAHIM BARZAK, Associated Press Writer
3 mins ago

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – Israeli warplanes destroyed dozens of security compounds across Hamas-ruled Gaza on Saturday in unprecedented waves of air strikes, killing at least 145 people and wounding more than 310 in the single deadliest day in Gaza fighting in recent memory, Palestinian medical officials said.

The strikes came in response to renewed rocket fire from Gaza on Israeli border towns. Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said "the operation will last as long as necessary" but it was not clear if it would include a ground offensive.

Asked if Hamas political leaders might be targeted next, military spokeswoman Maj. Avital Leibovitch said "Any Hamas target is a target."...

[Gaffer]

It's about time. ohmerts going to lose the election in Feb if he doesn't get off his ass and start taking action. He's the Israeli version of jimma carter.

[moon]

If the Zionists have the right to slaughter whomsoever they like in order to 'protect their people' then anybody else has the same right to slaughter at will. Nobody can defend the Zionist attacks on civilian centres and object to non-Zionist slaughters elsewhere. Well, hypocrites can, and do, but then they're more concerned with hypocrisy as a way of life than any particular issue.
The next time that a bomb rips through an Israeli civilian centre which Zionists will dare condemn it ?

http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems/Images/2008/12/28/200812281114524734_3.jpg


"How long will the silence last? Arabs wake up!" read one banner.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2008/12/20081228103344103624.html

It will be 'kiss your Zionist asses goodbye ' when they do.

[Kathianne]

Israel has the duty to defend it's land and people. For too long they've allowed the Palestinians to rain down bombs upon both. Now they have reacted, if their capabilities are a tad more developed than Hamas, well tfb, should have thought of that before. As for people in Gaza, the IDF has left messages via phone service, 'if there are missiles or bomb making materials in a home, place of business, it will be considered a target, regardless of who is living there.' Fair warning whether or not to keep supporting the Hamas actions.

[red states rule]

Israel has the duty to defend it's land and people. For too long they've allowed the Palestinians to rain down bombs upon both. Now they have reacted, if their capabilities are a tad more developed than Hamas, well tfb, should have thought of that before. As for people in Gaza, the IDF has left messages via phone service, 'if there are missiles or bomb making materials in a home, place of business, it will be considered a target, regardless of who is living there.' Fair warning whether or not to keep supporting the Hamas actions.

Kathy, look at how Israel provokes the terrorists. The people of Israel raise their kids, go to work, send their kids to school, go shopping, eat out, and do other things that show they need to erased from the face of the Earth

So the terrorists will attack schools, pizza shops, hospitals, and other vital military targets

[moon]

Kathianne;

Israel has the duty to defend it's land and people. For too long they've allowed the Palestinians to rain down bombs upon both. Now they have reacted, if their capabilities are a tad more developed than Hamas, well tfb, should have thought of that before. As for people in Gaza, the IDF has left messages via phone service, 'if there are missiles or bomb making materials in a home, place of business, it will be considered a target, regardless of who is living there.' Fair warning whether or not to keep supporting the Hamas actions.

Then Israel has failed in that duty by exposing its people to the condemnation and scorn of all the world's civilised societies. The brutal Zionist regime has added another nail to its own coffin. Any State openly applauding this illegal slaughter will lose any standing it might yet have.

The limp excuse for brutality that you are trying to pedal falls foul of international law regarding the protection of civilians. Once again, Zionism and its supporters are exposed as little more than international criminals. It can't be any other way, because that is the reality of Zionism and international law.

It was international law which created Israel in the first place. There is nothing that Zionism's enemies would like more than for international law to be declared ended.

red states rule;

So the terrorists will attack schools, pizza shops, hospitals, and other vital military targets

The Zionists are the terrorists. They have attacked all the civilian infrastructure you cynically mention and then some. They have killed over a thousand children since 2000. Your efforts to paint their victims as 'terrorists' cannot stand up to the statistical evidence. In other words, the legitimacy of 'Zion' is a sham.

[namvet]

and once again we'll see the fake and edited photo's/vids from Hamas. Pallywood as its known. the fake dead that get up and walk away. dead little babies that wake up and smile after they think the camera's are off. all edited, totally faked BS to get sympathy from the world.

http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/photoessay_6118_images/1228080641_M_122808_israel10_450.jpg

"roll em"

“Palestinian” Fake Images Industry, FAKE Photo & Video Industry, DON’T EVER BELIEVE THEIR IMAGES! - ‘Pallywood’
link (link)

pallywood horay for pallywood !!!!

t_B1H-1opys

:dance::dance::dance:

[Kathianne]

Kathianne;


Then Israel has failed in that duty by exposing its people to the condemnation and scorn of all the world's civilised societies. The brutal Zionist regime has added another nail to its own coffin. Any State openly applauding this illegal slaughter will lose any standing it might yet have.

The limp excuse for brutality that you are trying to pedal falls foul of international law regarding the protection of civilians. Once again, Zionism and its supporters are exposed as little more than international criminals. It can't be any other way, because that is the reality of Zionism and international law.

It was international law which created Israel in the first place. There is nothing that Zionism's enemies would like more than for international law to be declared ended.

red states rule;


The Zionists are the terrorists. They have attacked all the civilian infrastructure you cynically mention and then some. They have killed over a thousand children since 2000. Your efforts to paint their victims as 'terrorists' cannot stand up to the statistical evidence. In other words, the legitimacy of 'Zion' is a sham.
BS, big time. It's not terrorism to protect your people or your land. It is terrorism to target civilians. Hell even Egypt is now condemning Hamas, for not letting the injured into Cairo for medical care, why would that be? Oh yeah, to up the number of dead. Why? Oh yeah, for propagandists like you. Fake photos & videos are working less and less. Got to have the 'real deal.'

[moon]

Kathianne;

It's not terrorism to protect your people or your land.

Sure it is, when your methods are illegal, unjustified and disproportionate. Look at the air attacks on Gaza. That's terrorism for sure. Just because the terrorists have an air force doesn't diminish their characteristics.


It is terrorism to target civilians.

Of course it is. The bombings of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, Lebanon,Fallujah, all these were terrorist acts on a grand scale. Confused people call a small and localized act of violence 'terrorism' without having a word for terrorism on the grand scale. If Hamas are guilty of terrorist acts , then the Zionists are a hundredfold more guilty.


Hell even Egypt is now condemning Hamas, for not letting the injured into Cairo for medical care, why would that be?
The reports coming out of Gaza say that the continuing air attacks make moving the wounded out through the Rafah Crossing impossible. You will perhaps remember the Zionists targeting ambulances during their illegal attack on Lebanon in 2006.
http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com/2006/07/israel-targets-ambulances.html
jews sans frontieres.

[Kathianne]

Sure it is, when your methods are illegal, unjustified and disproportionate. Look at the air attacks on Gaza. That's terrorism for sure. Just because the terrorists have an air force doesn't diminish their characteristics. No it's not, Hama's lack of superior weaponry does not require that Israel respond with the weapons that Gaza has been lobbing. Your saying it as a fact does not make it so. There is nothing illegal, unjustified, or disproportionate about the response, regardless of whether or not the UN says, "Stop." All Gaza needs to do is stop the missiles into Israel, that's it.


Of course it is. The bombings of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, Lebanon,Fallujah, all these were terrorist acts on a grand scale. Confused people call a small and localized act of violence 'terrorism' without having a word for terrorism on the grand scale. If Hamas are guilty of terrorist acts , then the Zionists are a hundredfold more guilty. See above. Same thing, we agree. The fact that the aggressors were eventually in position of under weaponed, does not mean the original defenders need to draw down to the new level. That's utter BS.



The reports coming out of Gaza say that the continuing air attacks make moving the wounded out through the Rafah Crossing impossible. You will perhaps remember the Zionists targeting ambulances during their illegal attack on Lebanon in 2006.
http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com/2006/07/israel-targets-ambulances.html
jews sans frontieres.

Yeah, except Egypt, Israel, and major news sources are disagreeing. Kind of reminds me of al Jazeera after the Hizbollah horror. (http://www.asharqalawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=5&id=13666)

[moon]

Turkey Strongly Condemns Israeli Attacks on Gaza

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/62469/turkey-strongly-condemns-israeli-attacks-on-gaza.html

One repercussion of the Zionists' brutality will, very likely, be a lot more American casualties in Iraq. But then, when did the Zionist care a monkey's about American casualties in Iraq ?

Kathianne;

There is nothing illegal, unjustified, or disproportionate about the response, regardless of whether or not the UN says, "Stop."

Well then, your grasp of the situation falls somewhere between the feeble and the absent. You appear to be suffering from the notorious neocon lack of morality. Good luck in your political endeavors.



Kind of reminds me of al Jazeera after the Hizbollah horror.
__________________

You must be absolutely desperate to mention a press apology as some sort of figleaf for Zionist terrorism.

[Kathianne]

Turkey is how far from the conflict?


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[Kathianne]

One repercussion of the Zionists' brutality will, very likely, be a lot more American casualties in Iraq. But then, when did the Zionist care a monkey's about American casualties in Iraq ?

Kathianne;


Well then, your grasp of the situation falls somewhere between the feeble and the absent. You appear to be suffering from the notorious neocon lack of morality. Good luck in your political endeavors.




You must be absolutely desperate to mention a press apology as some sort of figleaf for Zionist terrorism.

Face it Moon, you are defending those that are enslaving the Palestinians who'd like to raise their children to be more than fodder. Perhaps they'd like a country, which Hamas is denying them. You are defending those that not only attempt, usually unsuccessfully, to kill their 'enemies' but much more often kill their own people.

You and those you defend are the ones without morals, consciences, or souls. You see no beauty and celebrate only death and destruction. All the prayers in the world will not help you, no matter how often or sincere, evil is not forgivable if not repented.

[manu1959]

Kathianne;
Sure it is, when your methods are illegal, unjustified and disproportionate. Look at the air attacks on Gaza. That's terrorism for sure. Just because the terrorists have an air force doesn't diminish their characteristics.
Of course it is. The bombings of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, Lebanon, Fallujah, all these were terrorist acts on a grand scale. Confused people call a small and localized act of violence 'terrorism' without having a word for terrorism on the grand scale. If Hamas are guilty of terrorist acts , then the Zionists are a hundredfold more guilty.
The reports coming out of Gaza say that the continuing air attacks make moving the wounded out through the Rafah Crossing impossible. You will perhaps remember the Zionists targeting ambulances during their illegal attack on Lebanon in 2006.
http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com/2006/07/israel-targets-ambulances.html
jews sans frontieres.

tough shit.......hamas and their benefactors keep throwing rocks at the sleeping tiger then they all act shocked when the tiger eats their ass.....stupid arabs.....

[actsnoblemartin]

I like your analogy

it fits :clap:


tough shit.......hamas and their benefactors keep throwing rocks at the sleeping tiger then they all act shocked when the tiger eats their ass.....stupid arabs.....

[PostmodernProphet]

Then Israel has failed in that duty by exposing its people to the condemnation and scorn of all the world's civilised societies.

Actually, I think the civilized societies are pretty much educated enough to realize that the Palestinians are at fault in this matter....it's only the countries stuck in Middle Ages barbarism that think Hamas is on the right track......

[Kathianne]

I must concur, you clarified what I was trying to say. It's an unreal argument that so many are calling 'disproportionate' responses to aggression. Now if they nuked them, well that would be different. Instead, the Israelis have taken wounded into their hospitals, asked Egypt to do the same, it's Hamas that has been blocking that help for civilians. Why? They want a high death toll, for when they claim victimhood, all the while still raining down missiles.

[manu1959]

I must concur, you clarified what I was trying to say. It's an unreal argument that so many are calling 'disproportionate' responses to aggression. Now if they nuked them, well that would be different. Instead, the Israelis have taken wounded into their hospitals, asked Egypt to do the same, it's Hamas that has been blocking that help for civilians. Why? They want a high death toll, for when they claim victimhood, all the while still raining down missiles.

exactly......ask yourself this.....is hamas response to the mere existance of israel ..... legal, justified and proportionate.....launching rockets into neighborhoods, blowing up buses and cafes.....yes i am sure arabs think it is all perfectly legal justified and appropriate.....well when someone kicks your ass for being stupid and figthing a stone age war in the modern would.....you deserve it.....

as for the propotionate response argument.....what is an appropriate response for someone trying to kill you......it is to kill them....if you have better weapons....tough shit....they should have thought of that before they tried to kill you.....as they say never bring a knife to a gun fight.....

[Kathianne]

Have they finally realized the enemy from within? Don't forget that CAIR was an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation case. In any case, CAIR is reduced to a press release:

http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/12-27-2008/0004947113&EDATE=


CAIR Condemns Israeli 'Massacre' in Gaza

Obama urged to speak 'in favor of peace and justice for all parties'

WASHINGTON, Dec. 27 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- A prominent national Islamic civil rights and advocacy group today condemned Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip that left more than 200 people dead and called the death toll a "massacre carried out using U.S. taxpayer-funded weapons." More than 700 people, including women and children, were injured in the attacks.

SEE: Israeli Strikes Kill 229 in Gaza (Reuters) http://tinyurl.com/9xgjxk

The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) said in a statement:

"Despite the public 'green light' given to the Israeli military by the Bush administration, American Muslims join our fellow citizens who respect international law and the sanctity of human life in repudiating this massacre carried out using U.S. taxpayer-funded weapons.

"It must be clear by now that the only future offered to the Palestinian people by the outgoing administration was one of perpetual subjugation and humiliation at the hands of the Israeli occupiers. Unfortunately, our nation's timid response to this tragic episode will only serve to fuel anti-American sentiments in the Muslim world.

"We therefore call on President-elect Obama to demonstrate his commitment to change our nation's current one-sided Mideast policy by speaking out now in favor of peace and justice for all parties to this decades-long conflict....

[moon]

So then, from the evidence above, the DP Parroting and Graffiti Society;

- Has no respect for international law
- Has no respect for the Geneva Conventions
-Applauds the slaughter of Palestinian civilians
-Supports terrorism provided it isn't directed at them.

Just as I thought. Armchair Zionists.

manu1959;

.what is an appropriate response for someone trying to kill you......it is to kill them...

And what conclusions would you draw from your own homespun philosophy in the light of the past and evident Zionist attempts to kill Palestinians ? Ah. The Palestinians must kill Zionists. By your own words, it is the appropriate response.

PostmodernProphet;

Actually, I think the civilized societies are pretty much educated enough to realize that the Palestinians are at fault in this matter

That can't possibly be the case. Civilised countries are united in underscoring the illegality of the Zionists' actions as a breach of humanitarian law. They are even united in underscoring the illegalities of the Zionists' occupation of Palestine. You're perhaps indulging in the wishful thinking commonly associated with the Zionist occupiers.

[moon]

Egypt

In Egypt, more than 50,000 people took to the streets of a dozen cities. The largest protest was 8,000 people on the streets of Assiut, a city in southern Egypt of 400,000, a security official said, with another 3,000 gathering in Minya, south of Cairo.

Morocco

Thousands of people marched in the Moroccan capital and called for revenge. A crowd estimated at 3,000 carried signs denouncing the Israeli aggressors and chanted that "with our soul, with our blood, we will sacrifice for you, Gaza!"

Yemen

Tens of thousands of Yemenis protested in Sanaa as crowds filled a sports stadium in the north of the city and many more people thronged the surrounding area.
The demonstration was backed by the ruling party, opposition groups and other organizations.


Iraq

In the war-torn Arab nation of Iraq, protestors burned Israeli flags and fired AK-47s into the air, demanding a stronger response from Arab nations to the Israeli assault of Gaza.

Several thousand people protested in the city of Samarra, north of Baghdad, and a few hundred took to the streets in Fallujah.

Syria

Syria said it would suspend peace talks with Israel as thousands of people marched in the capital of Damascus, burning Israeli and American flags.

Jordan

Israeli flags were also burned in the Jordanian capital Amman, where hundreds of people led by Islamist MPs gathered to demand the closure of the Israeli embassy.

Lebanon

Thousands of people demonstrated in Beirut and angry demonstrators called on Egypt to open Rafah crossing, and voiced anger towards Arab silence over the "massacres in Gaza."

London

British police made three arrests as a demonstration outside the Israeli embassy in London over the bombardment of the Gaza Strip became increasingly heated.

France and Spain

Hundreds of protesters took to the streets of Paris slammed Israel's "terrorist" and "inhuman" bombardment of Gaza and called for a rapid end to the conflict.

http://www.palestinechronicle.com/

Maybe start thinking about canceling your European holidays.

[Mr. P]

Maybe start thinking about canceling your European holidays.

You are such an fucking IDIOT! If it's WAR these folks "Hamus" want, it's WAR they'll get. NO one needs to support Israels efforts to protect their country, they do very well themselves. I hope they follow through this time and wipe these radicals away with a sponge!

IF Launching 80 plus rocket attacks into Israeli, an INTERNATIONALLY established country, seems reasonable to you, then yer as misguided and lawless as Humas, despite yer constant claims of "international Law".

MORON!

[moon]

Mr P;

You are such an fucking IDIOT! If it's WAR these folks "Hamus" want, it's WAR they'll get. NO one needs to support Israels efforts to protect their country, they do very well themselves. I hope they follow through this time and wipe these radicals away with a sponge!

IF Launching 80 plus rocket attacks into Israeli, an INTERNATIONALLY established country, seems reasonable to you, then yer as misguided and lawless as Humas, despite yer constant claims of "international Law".

MORON!

Another DP intellectual to the fore.

You're quite wrong, of course, but I suppose that you're used to being told that. The Zionists are, indeed, in need of support. Without American cash and armaments they wouldn't last two years. So that's the first of your gaping blunders dealt with.
Next, Hamas don't want violence. Violence has been thrust upon them by the asshole adherents to Zionism who are occupying their country. Illegally.
Then there is the question of whether the targets of the Palestinian Resistance rockets are actually Israeli or Palestinian territory. Sderot, for example, is an Israeli town built upon the ruins of a Palestinian village after that village was ethnically cleansed. Can the Palestinians shell their own territory ? Probably, but that would need to be decided by the international courts.
Finally, it is only international law which gives Israel any legitimacy. If you want Israel to survive then you'd better start respecting it . You know what 'respect' means ? I'll be glad to teach you, if not.

[Mr. P]

Mr P;


Another DP intellectual to the fore.

You're quite wrong, of course, but I suppose that you're used to being told that. The Zionists are, indeed, in need of support. Without American cash and armaments they wouldn't last two years. So that's the first of your gaping blunders dealt with.
Next, Hamas don't want violence. Violence has been thrust upon them by the asshole adherents to Zionism who are occupying their country. Illegally.
Then there is the question of whether the targets of the Palestinian Resistance rockets are actually Israeli or Palestinian territory. Sderot, for example, is an Israeli town built upon the ruins of a Palestinian village after that village was ethnically cleansed. Can the Palestinians shell their own territory ? Probably, but that would need to be decided by the international courts.
Finally, it is only international law which gives Israel any legitimacy. If you want Israel to survive then you'd better start respecting it . You know what 'respect' means ? I'll be glad to teach you, if not.

Like I said, "YOU'RE and IDIOT"!

[moon]

Hassan Nasrallah, the secretary-general of Hezbollah, has told his fighters to be on alert for any possible Israeli attack on Lebanon following raids on Gaza that have killed nearly 300 Palestinians.

Nasrallah told a gathering in Beirut's southern suburbs that the Israeli assault on Gaza was a carbon copy of its attacks on Lebanon during a 34-day war with Hezbollah in 2006.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2008/12/2008122820055314434.html

So it is. Nasrallah won't want another Zionist assault on his civilian population though, well, not until he gets his Russian S-300 Zionist-ass-fryers installed.

Mr.P;

Like I said, "YOU'RE and IDIOT"!
Your command of language speaks volumes.

[Yurt]

Mr P;


Another DP intellectual to the fore.

You're quite wrong, of course, but I suppose that you're used to being told that. The Zionists are, indeed, in need of support. Without American cash and armaments they wouldn't last two years. So that's the first of your gaping blunders dealt with.
Next, Hamas don't want violence. Violence has been thrust upon them by the asshole adherents to Zionism who are occupying their country. Illegally.
Then there is the question of whether the targets of the Palestinian Resistance rockets are actually Israeli or Palestinian territory. Sderot, for example, is an Israeli town built upon the ruins of a Palestinian village after that village was ethnically cleansed. Can the Palestinians shell their own territory ? Probably, but that would need to be decided by the international courts.
Finally, it is only international law which gives Israel any legitimacy. If you want Israel to survive then you'd better start respecting it . You know what 'respect' means ? I'll be glad to teach you, if not.

:lol:

i'd say their response to the stupid arab six day war is legitimacy outright...the arabs thought to wipe them off the earth and failed, tough shit. then the stupid so-called pales send nearly 200 rockets into israel, israel waits patiently, asks them to stop, they don't, and BOOM, a response.

you're only pissed because israel again kicked ass. you know you woudl jump for joy if the dolt arab muslims could do the same to israel you little hypocrite

[PostmodernProphet]

PostmodernProphet;


That can't possibly be the case. Civilised countries are united in underscoring the illegality of the Zionists' actions as a breach of humanitarian law. They are even united in underscoring the illegalities of the Zionists' occupation of Palestine. You're perhaps indulging in the wishful thinking commonly associated with the Zionist occupiers.

nope, just coming to the rational conclusion that if you keep firing mortars into Israel, it won't be long before bombs drop on the mortar installations.....you have to be a bit uncivilized to be unable to come to that conclusion......

[PostmodernProphet]

Next, Hamas don't want violence.
/boggle....of course they do.....they're the ones causing it......

[moon]

Yurt;

i'd say their response to the stupid arab six day war is legitimacy outright..

The musclehead reflex suits you. In fact though, Israel's legitimacy is solely courtesy of international law.


you're only pissed because israel again kicked ass. you know you woudl jump for joy if the dolt arab muslims could do the same to israel you little hypocrite

The Zionists are good at slaughtering unarmed civilians in prison compounds. They have plenty of attack aircraft and armor in which to hide whilst selecting civilian targets. Without those , American supplied, accouterments they wouldn't be so keen on brutish and illegal behavior. Even with them they can't win long-term.

'Little hypocrite' eh ? Brrrrrrrrrrr.

Postmodernprophet;

Quote:Next, Hamas don't want violence.

/boggle....of course they do.....they're the ones causing it......

You mean they're causing the violence by not conveniently dying out since 1947.
The Zionists are the cause, invaders as they are. Violence was their stated intent;

Ben-Gurion was a consummate strategist and he understood that it would be unwise for the Zionists to talk openly about the need for ‘brutal compulsion’. We quote a memorandum Ben-Gurion wrote prior to the Extraordinary Zionist Conference at the Biltmore Hotel in New York in May 1942. He wrote that ‘it is impossible to imagine general evacuation’ of the Arab population of Palestine ‘without compulsion, and brutal compulsion’.

http://www.irmep.org/mw_letter.htm

There are plenty of other records demonstrating Zionist intent of violence against Arabs. I'll introduce them in the fullness of time. Dispute them, please. I enjoy a good larf from time to time.


nope, just coming to the rational conclusion that if you keep firing mortars into Israel, it won't be long before bombs drop on the mortar installations.....you have to be a bit uncivilized to be unable to come to that conclusion......

Civilised countries are aware of these records and the Zionists' behavior is evident. Their support for international law ridicules your claim.

[Yurt]

/boggle....of course they do.....they're the ones causing it......

statements like that show what an absolute moron this guy is...he is such a fraud he is afraid to answer if he is muslims, he is afraid to discuss why he is so obsessed with israel. his obsession is unheathly and undoubtedly interferes with his daily life.

[moon]

Yurt;

he is such a fraud he is afraid to answer if he is muslims, he is afraid to discuss why he is so obsessed with israel. his obsession is unheathly and undoubtedly interferes with his daily life.

You could escape being a second-rater, Yurt, if you let the truth displace all that poop you regard as information.

Yurt;

Quote:Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet
/boggle....of course they do.....they're the ones causing it......

Yurt;
statements like that show what an absolute moron this guy is...

No, I don't think that Postmodernprophet is a moron, if that's what you mean.

[avatar4321]

If the Zionists have the right to slaughter whomsoever they like in order to 'protect their people' then anybody else has the same right to slaughter at will. Nobody can defend the Zionist attacks on civilian centres and object to non-Zionist slaughters elsewhere. Well, hypocrites can, and do, but then they're more concerned with hypocrisy as a way of life than any particular issue.
The next time that a bomb rips through an Israeli civilian centre which Zionists will dare condemn it ?

http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems/Images/2008/12/28/200812281114524734_3.jpg



It will be 'kiss your Zionist asses goodbye ' when they do.

No one has the right to slaughter others. And since that isnt what is happening, there doesnt seem to be a point to mentioning it.

Everyone has the right to self defense though. As well they should.

[avatar4321]

So then, from the evidence above, the DP Parroting and Graffiti Society;

- Has no respect for international law
- Has no respect for the Geneva Conventions
-Applauds the slaughter of Palestinian civilians
-Supports terrorism provided it isn't directed at them.

Just as I thought. Armchair Zionists.

manu1959;


And what conclusions would you draw from your own homespun philosophy in the light of the past and evident Zionist attempts to kill Palestinians ? Ah. The Palestinians must kill Zionists. By your own words, it is the appropriate response.

PostmodernProphet;


That can't possibly be the case. Civilised countries are united in underscoring the illegality of the Zionists' actions as a breach of humanitarian law. They are even united in underscoring the illegalities of the Zionists' occupation of Palestine. You're perhaps indulging in the wishful thinking commonly associated with the Zionist occupiers.

International law is joke. I should know, Ive studied it for years.

[Yurt]

Yurt;


You could escape being a second-rater, Yurt, if you let the truth displace all that poop you regard as information.

Yurt;


No, I don't think that Postmodernprophet is a moron, if that's what you mean.

call it what you will...but you can't debate, if it makes you feel better to call me second rate...go for it....maybe then you can get your self esteem up high enough to actually be honest and debate

you know exactly what i mean....you are playing stupid and winning!

[avatar4321]

Mr P;


Another DP intellectual to the fore.

You're quite wrong, of course, but I suppose that you're used to being told that. The Zionists are, indeed, in need of support. Without American cash and armaments they wouldn't last two years. So that's the first of your gaping blunders dealt with.
Next, Hamas don't want violence. Violence has been thrust upon them by the asshole adherents to Zionism who are occupying their country. Illegally.
Then there is the question of whether the targets of the Palestinian Resistance rockets are actually Israeli or Palestinian territory. Sderot, for example, is an Israeli town built upon the ruins of a Palestinian village after that village was ethnically cleansed. Can the Palestinians shell their own territory ? Probably, but that would need to be decided by the international courts.
Finally, it is only international law which gives Israel any legitimacy. If you want Israel to survive then you'd better start respecting it . You know what 'respect' means ? I'll be glad to teach you, if not.

Hamas doesnt want violence? I am sure they force their children to wear bombs for the heck of it then. If Hamas stopped fighting, there would be peace. If Israel would stop fighting, there would be no Israel.

You are also wrong, International law isnt what gives Israel or any other nation legitimacy. The mandate of the people is what gives the government legitimacy. If a government is supported by the people and has the power to back up their laws with the use of force, then its a legitimate nation.

[namvet]

obvious moon is a card carrying registered terrorists. he just intensifies my deep seated hatred of him and his dirty animal race. I am even more in favor of the mass extermination of Islam. for it is truley the "final solution"

http://www.thewe.cc/thewei/&/&/images5/atrocities/genocide.jpe

[namvet]

If the Zionists have the right to slaughter whomsoever they like in order to 'protect their people' then anybody else has the same right to slaughter at will. Nobody can defend the Zionist attacks on civilian centres and object to non-Zionist slaughters elsewhere. Well, hypocrites can, and do, but then they're more concerned with hypocrisy as a way of life than any particular issue.
The next time that a bomb rips through an Israeli civilian centre which Zionists will dare condemn it ?

http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems/Images/2008/12/28/200812281114524734_3.jpg



It will be 'kiss your Zionist asses goodbye ' when they do.

you pig !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[manu1959]

So then, from the evidence above, the DP Parroting and Graffiti Society;
- Has no respect for international law
- Has no respect for the Geneva Conventions
-Applauds the slaughter of Palestinian civilians
-Supports terrorism provided it isn't directed at them.
Just as I thought. Armchair Zionists.
manu1959;
And what conclusions would you draw from your own homespun philosophy in the light of the past and evident Zionist attempts to kill Palestinians ? Ah. The Palestinians must kill Zionists. By your own words, it is the appropriate response.
PostmodernProphet;
That can't possibly be the case. Civilised countries are united in underscoring the illegality of the Zionists' actions as a breach of humanitarian law. They are even united in underscoring the illegalities of the Zionists' occupation of Palestine. You're perhaps indulging in the wishful thinking commonly associated with the Zionist occupiers.


can you link me to the international law supporting hamas launching rockets into israel.....how about the section of the geneva convention supporting killing civilians in cafes and buses....tell me of the civilized nation of palestine (which doesn't exist) and the rest of the arab world applauding, funding and carrying out the killing of israeli civilians....

if you all had some balls you would... man up... declare war and go for it.....

instead you launch rockets and blow cafes then cry foul when you get you ass kicked.....

[PostmodernProphet]

You mean they're causing the violence by not conveniently dying out since 1947.

I rather was thinking they were causing violence by firing mortar shells into Israel non-stop....a bit more obvious than your explanation, I think.....

[namvet]

nuke Iran !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mr. P]

Mr.P;

Your command of language speaks volumes.

So, which part of "You're an IDIOT" don't you understand?

[moon]

Avatar4321;

No one has the right to slaughter others. And since that isnt what is happening, there doesnt seem to be a point to mentioning it.

Yes, it is happening. You'll find it on the front page of any credible newspaper or website. The Zionists have killed over 5,000 Palestinians since 2000. One thousand of those were children. Do they a 'right' to do it ? You are correct, they do not.



Everyone has the right to self defense though. As well they should.

Not when that 'self defense' constitutes a disproportional aggression of itself. That's illegal. It's also immoral, but there is scant respect for morality at DP.


International law is joke. I should know, Ive studied it for years.

That isn't evident in anything I've seen you post. On the contrary, you seem confused and ignorant of international law.

[Kathianne]

Avatar4321;


Yes, it is happening. You'll find it on the front page of any credible newspaper or website. The Zionists have killed over 5,000 Palestinians since 2000. One thousand of those were children. Do they a 'right' to do it ? You are correct, they do not.




Not when that 'self defense' constitutes a disproportional aggression of itself. That's illegal. It's also immoral, but there is scant respect for morality at DP.



That isn't evident in anything I've seen you post. On the contrary, you seem confused and ignorant of international law.

Sorry, even amnesty international disagrees with you on civilian deaths regarding the Palestinians, though they do buy into the faked stories, not as easy anymore that.

So you ARE arguing that countries need to respond to their attackers with the same type of weapons as their attackers? Gee, we'd still be in the stone age then. I'm with Manu, don't bring a knife to a street fight, bring the gun. Thanks for playing.

[moon]

Yurt;

call it what you will...but you can't debate, if it makes you feel better to call me second rate...go for it....maybe then you can get your self esteem up high enough to actually be honest and debate

Look around. You'll find that debate is led by me and that information is supplied by me. On the other hand , the second-rate wheedling, name-calling, petty petulances and juvenile graphics are supplied by yourself, along with the DP Parroting and Graffiti Society. You're shaping up to be another poor loser.

[Kathianne]

Yurt;


Look around. You'll find that debate is led by me and that information is supplied by me. On the other hand , the second-rate wheedling, name-calling, petty petulances and juvenile graphics are supplied by yourself, along with the DP Parroting and Graffiti Society. You're shaping up to be another poor loser.

Where? Not in this thread have you debated anything. You put forth pronouncements and get the same returned.

[moon]

namvet;

obvious moon is a card carrying registered terrorists. he just intensifies my deep seated hatred of him and his dirty animal race. I am even more in favor of the mass extermination of Islam. for it is truley the "final solution"


you pig !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


nuke Iran !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This man is disturbed and unfit for further duty. Take him away.

[moon]

manu1959;

can you link me to the international law supporting hamas launching rockets into israel.....how about the section of the geneva convention supporting killing civilians in cafes and buses....tell me of the civilized nation of palestine (which doesn't exist) and the rest of the arab world applauding, funding and carrying out the killing of israeli civilians....

if you all had some balls you would... man up... declare war and go for it.....

instead you launch rockets and blow cafes then cry foul when you get you ass kicked.....

You still owe the forum an example of the successful permanent annexation of territory by war since 1947. When you've supplied it, or publicly accepted that you can't, you'll have earned the right to ask further questions and receive answers. You wouldn't want to be assigned to the DP Hypocrite Division, now would you.

[Kathianne]

manu1959;


You still owe the forum an example of the successful permanent annexation of territory by war since 1947. When you've supplied it, or publicly accepted that you can't, you'll have earned the right to ask further questions and receive answers. You wouldn't want to be assigned to the DP Hypocrite Division, now would you.

Russia still controls Georgian lands:

http://mt.m2day.org/2008/content/view/16434/84/

It was a solely aggressive move by a major power on a smaller one, Georgia was not the aggressor as has been the case with the Palestinians.

[moon]

PostmodernProphet;

Quote:Originally Posted by moon
You mean they're causing the violence by not conveniently dying out since 1947.

PmP;
I rather was thinking they were causing violence by firing mortar shells into Israel non-stop....a bit more obvious than your explanation, I think.....

You're confusing 'engaging' in violence with 'causing' it. The Zionist occupation is the cause of the violence and that indisputable.

[Kathianne]

PostmodernProphet;


You're confusing 'engaging' in violence with 'causing' it. The Zionist occupation is the cause of the violence and that indisputable.

It's not an occupation, that is indisputable.

[Kathianne]

There was a lot of 'expansion' during the Cold War years:

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/macdon.htm

[moon]

Kathianne;

Russia still controls Georgian lands:

http://mt.m2day.org/2008/content/view/16434/84/

It was a solely aggressive move by a major power on a smaller one, Georgia was not the aggressor as has been the case with the Palestinians.

South Ossetia hasn't been 'successfully annexed by war'. On the contrary, South Ossetia has declared independence and been recognised by at least two sovereign States.
Georgia most certainly started the recent conflagration by attacking South Ossetia militarily. That's recorded history.


It's not an occupation, that is indisputable.

The Occupied Palestinian Territory isn't occupied ? Now you're just being silly. The occupation isn't ' in dispute', it's accepted history and illegal under international law. Even ol' Uncle Slam doesn't recognise the annexation of Jerusalem. The rest of the world won't let it, you see.

[moon]

Kathianne;

There was a lot of 'expansion' during the Cold War years:

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/macdon.htm

Really. Just point out a few Soviet annexations in Asia, would you. Besides, if America actually 'won' the Cold War, just point out a few American annexations , anywhere in world, and I'll accept that taking and holding territory by force is acceptable under United Nations membership.

[Kathianne]

Kathianne;


South Ossetia hasn't been 'successfully annexed by war'. On the contrary, South Ossetia has declared independence and been recognised by at least two sovereign States.
Georgia most certainly started the recent conflagration by attacking South Ossetia militarily. That's recorded history. Not going to get side tracked by your continuing arguments for your ally.




The Occupied Palestinian Territory isn't occupied ? Now you're just being silly. The occupation isn't ' in dispute', it's accepted history and illegal under international law. Even ol' Uncle Slam doesn't recognise the annexation of Jerusalem. The rest of the world won't let it, you see.

Actually it is in dispute and likely to become moreso, thanks to the encouragement of people like you. While most civilized peoples have been on the side of a two state solution, the impossibility of such by the Palestinians and their controllers is rapidly making the impossibility of such, crystal clear. Indeed, more and more the sense that there must be a clear victory is becoming evident, in order to stop the non-ceasing violence on the part of the Palestinians. In a winner take all war, in spite of the bravado of Hamas and lackeys such as yourself, the rocket attacks on Sunday were down from nearly 200 to 20, the outcome of such is clear.

[moon]

Kathianne;

Not going to get side tracked by your continuing arguments for your ally.

Who would that be ? Russia ? China ? Palestine ? Obama ? Maine ?


Actually it is in dispute and likely to become moreso

No, it isn't 'in dispute' in any legal sense. Any bum can 'dispute' legal entitlement to Newark but it's a fruitless exercise.


While most civilized peoples have been on the side of a two state solution, the impossibility of such by the Palestinians and their controllers is rapidly making the impossibility of such, crystal clear.

No, 'most civilised peoples' don't automatically accept a 'Two State' solution at all. That might have been possible, in 1947, if the Zionists had been content with what the UN had given them, but they implemented the ethnic cleansing plans of Ben Gurion and Jabotinsky in search of their 'Greater Israel'. It is the resistance of the Palestinians, and their supporters, which prevented that ethnic cleansing . Only recently, Olmert has declared that the 'dream' is over. It is. Now the 'solution' is for One State, just as it was before Zionism breathed its stinking breath. The difference is that the new 'One State' will represent both jews and arabs, not jews exclusively as Zionism intended. There is no place in the physical world for an exclusively jewish State. 'Jewish State' is an oxymoron to any supporter of democracy.

[Kathianne]

Kathianne;


Who would that be ? Russia ? China ? Palestine ? Obama ? Maine ?



No, it isn't 'in dispute' in any legal sense. Any bum can 'dispute' legal entitlement to Newark but it's a fruitless exercise.

Time will tell, as I said, times are changing and Hamas is failing to understand that.

[Kathianne]

Who would that be ? Russia ? China ? Palestine ? Obama ? Maine ? Speaking of silly. :rolleyes: South Ossetia had sovereignty and the right to self determination? It couldn't stand up to Georgia, but could Russia? Right. Pakistan became independent, how? South Vietnam willingly and peacefully became absorbed?




No, it isn't 'in dispute' in any legal sense. Any bum can 'dispute' legal entitlement to Newark but it's a fruitless exercise.



No, 'most civilised peoples' don't automatically accept a 'Two State' solution at all. That might have been possible, in 1947, if the Zionists had been content with what the UN had given them, but they implemented the ethnic cleansing plans of Ben Gurion and Jabotinsky in search of their 'Greater Israel'. It is the resistance of the Palestinians, and their supporters, which prevented that ethnic cleansing . Only recently, Olmert has declared that the 'dream' is over. It is. Now the 'solution' is for One State, just as it was before Zionism breathed its stinking breath. The difference is that the new 'One State' will represent both jews and arabs, not jews exclusively as Zionism intended.
Now you are just rewriting history. While different Jewish factions had different takes on what partitioning should take place, it was the Palestinians who began the war making, that would lead to today:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947–1948_Civil_War_in_Mandatory_Palestine

[moon]

Time will tell, as I said, times are changing and Hamas is failing to understand that.

Time is on the side of the Palestinians. More Palestinians are born than the Zionists can kill. There are five million in the refugee diaspora alone. Maybe they will reintroduce their program of sniping Palestinian schoolchildren in their homes and classrooms. That's just one of their measures for 'population control' . What we are now witnessing is another. Zionism is sick. It is sick, it is brutal and, g-d be praised , it is consuming itself .

ttp://www.nkusa.org/

http://www.nkusa.org/images/flag-ani.gif

Jews united against Zionism

[moon]

Pakistan became independent, how? South Vietnam willingly and peacefully became absorbed?

Pakistan was created in 1947, simultaneously with India's declaration of independence from 350 years of British colonial rule. Pakistan is certainly not an example of territory permanently annexed by war after 1947 and the creation of the UN which banned such activities.

There was one Vietnam, fighting the French, before American interference and there is still one Vietnam today, after the American defeat. Where's the permanent annexation of territory by war ? If the US had won and annexed Vietnam you'd have a point. Tell it to namvet. That's his kind of scenario.

[Kathianne]

Time is on the side of the Palestinians. More Palestinians are born than the Zionists can kill. There are five million in the refugee diaspora alone. Maybe they will reintroduce their program of sniping Palestinian schoolchildren in their homes and classrooms. That's just one of their measures for 'population control' . What we are now witnessing is another. Zionism is sick. It is sick, it is brutal and, g-d be praised , it is consuming itself .

ttp://www.nkusa.org/

http://www.nkusa.org/images/flag-ani.gif

Jews united against Zionism
The story has never made sense, though throughout 2004 it made the Indy media circuit and was revived by the Guardian in 2005.

In order to believe it, one must reconcile what happened to civilians in 2006 regarding Lebanon and what is ongoing today. Doesn't add up.

Did you know that it's a 'fact' that Palestinians clamor to kill Israeli children and use their blood in baking?

[Kathianne]

Pakistan was created in 1947, simultaneously with India's declaration of independence from 350 years of British colonial rule. Pakistan is certainly not an example of territory permanently annexed by war after 1947 and the creation of the UN which banned such activities.

There was one Vietnam, fighting the French, before American interference and there is still one Vietnam today, after the American defeat. Where's the permanent annexation of territory by war ? If the US had won and annexed Vietnam you'd have a point. Tell it to namvet. That's his kind of scenario.

I believe following the US pulled out of Vietnam led to the annexation of South Vietnam, with Pol Pot in Cambodia 1975-1979 causing over 2,000,000 dead.

[moon]

Kathianne;

Now you are just rewriting history. While different Jewish factions had different takes on what partitioning should take place, it was the Palestinians who began the war making, that would lead to today:

That's simply Zionist propaganda. Jewish terrorist groups, such as the Irgun, were active even before Resolution 181, the Partition Resolution, murdering arabs and even the British, their terrorist bombing of the King David Hotel being an oft-quoted example. You surely know that ? What sporadic violence existed between arab and jew was the sort of low-level conflict to be expected under such disruptive circumstances, particularly as it followed on from WW2. No, what followed and began the horrors we are witnessing today was large-scale and organised violence on the part of the Zionists. It was their plan. The writings of Zionist leaders, Ben Gurion , Jabotinsky, etc., prove that. You'd have to be willfully ignorant to dismiss that evidence.


I believe following the US pulled out of Vietnam led to the annexation of South Vietnam, with Pol Pot in Cambodia 1975-1979 causing over 2,000,000 dead.

Well, you believe wrongly. There was one Vietnam to start with, one Vietnam at the end. Any 'annexation' was political. Vietnam is populated by Vietnamese today , just as it was whilst fighting the French. The slaughter in Cambodia is irrelevant to the 'annexation' point.
Cutting to the nub, the Zionists have no rights to annex any part of Palestine not circumscribed under international law as 'Israeli' territory.

[Kathianne]

Time is on the side of the Palestinians. More Palestinians are born than the Zionists can kill. There are five million in the refugee diaspora alone. Maybe they will reintroduce their program of sniping Palestinian schoolchildren in their homes and classrooms. That's just one of their measures for 'population control' . What we are now witnessing is another. Zionism is sick. It is sick, it is brutal and, g-d be praised , it is consuming itself .

ttp://www.nkusa.org/

http://www.nkusa.org/images/flag-ani.gif

Jews united against Zionism

You are correct about the population difference, same with Europe and their 'immigrant problems.' With this, it's obvious you are for a solution, rather a holding pattern. Sick, sick, sick.

[Kathianne]

Kathianne;


That's simply Zionist propaganda. Jewish terrorist groups, such as the Irgun, were active even before Resolution 181, the Partition Resolution, murdering arabs and even the British, their terrorist bombing of the King David Hotel being an oft-quoted example. You surely know that ? What sporadic violence existed between arab and jew was the sort of low-level conflict to be expected under such disruptive circumstances, particularly as it followed on from WW2. No, what followed and began the horrors we are witnessing today was large-scale and organised violence on the part of the Zionists. It was their plan. The writings of Zionist leaders, Ben Gurion , Jabotintsky, etc., prove that. You'd have to be willfully ignorant to dismiss that evidence.

Writings and actions are two different things. You've already made clear that continued propaganda, use of civilian victims, and a waiting game of the terrorists in utero is your agendat.

[Kathianne]

Kathianne;


That's simply Zionist propaganda. Jewish terrorist groups, such as the Irgun, were active even before Resolution 181, the Partition Resolution, murdering arabs and even the British, their terrorist bombing of the King David Hotel being an oft-quoted example. You surely know that ? What sporadic violence existed between arab and jew was the sort of low-level conflict to be expected under such disruptive circumstances, particularly as it followed on from WW2. No, what followed and began the horrors we are witnessing today was large-scale and organised violence on the part of the Zionists. It was their plan. The writings of Zionist leaders, Ben Gurion , Jabotintsky, etc., prove that. You'd have to be willfully ignorant to dismiss that evidence.



Well, you believe wrongly. There was one Vietnam to start with, one Vietnam at the end. Any 'annexation' was political. Vietnam is populated by Vietnamese today , just as it was whilst fighting the French. The slaughter in Cambodia is irrelevant to the 'annexation' point.

Again, rewriting to promote your propaganda.

[moon]

Kathianne;

You are correct about the population difference, same with Europe and their 'immigrant problems.' With this, it's obvious you are for a solution, rather a holding pattern. Sick, sick, sick.

I'm for One democratic State of Palestine/Israel, populated by both jews and arabs as it was for centuries before Zionism divided and set brother against brother. It is the concept of an exclusively jewish State which is sick. That would be apartheid, and the world will not stand for apartheid , no matter whether the US supports apartheid or not. It is the current US support for apartheid in Palestine which is a major contributor to America's diminished standing on the world political stage. It will lead to far greater American losses if the trend isn't corrected by a succession of decent administrations. Obama can only lay the foundations.


Again, rewriting to promote your propaganda.
__________________
I don't have to 'rewrite' anything, it's all qualified and recorded history.



Writings and actions are two different things.

Both Jabotinsky and Ben Gurion put their writings into practice by means of their leadership of Zionist terror gangs, militias and later 'official' death squads of the newly-formed Israeli army. There's adedquate evidence of that too. They specialized in the ethnic cleansing of Palestinian villages, slaughtering some in their entirety as a warning for hundreds of others to flee. That's the essence of the Zionism you hold so dear.


Ben-Gurion was a consummate strategist and he understood that it would be unwise for the Zionists to talk openly about the need for ‘brutal compulsion’. We quote a memorandum Ben-Gurion wrote prior to the Extraordinary Zionist Conference at the Biltmore Hotel in New York in May 1942. He wrote that ‘it is impossible to imagine general evacuation’ of the Arab population of Palestine ‘without compulsion, and brutal compulsion’.

http://www.irmep.org/mw_letter.htm

And so brutal compulsion began, and continues today. Read today's news.

[Kathianne]

Kathianne;


I'm for One democratic State of Palestine/Israel, populated by both jews and arabs as it was for centuries before Zionism divided and set brother against brother. It is the concept of an exclusively jewish State which is sick. That would be apartheid, and the world will not stand for apartheid , no matter whether the US supports apartheid or not. It is the current US support for apartheid in Palestine which is a major contributor to America's diminished standing on the world political stage. It will lead to far greater American losses if the trend isn't corrected by a succession of decent administrations. Obama can only lay the foundations.

Right, you are for an Islamic state with Jews paying dhimmi. No surprise there.

[moon]

Right, you are for an Islamic state with Jews paying dhimmi. No surprise there.

I stated quite clearly that I supported a democratic State. Are you suddenly against Democracy because it might shape events contrary to how you'd like ?

[Kathianne]

I stated quite clearly that I supported a democratic State. Are you suddenly against Democracy because it might shape events contrary to how you'd like ?

Democracy that is twisted as when Hamas gains legitimacy? Yeah, it's not right for all countries.

[moon]

I'm afraid you can't 'manage' democracy . Hamas won fair and square and what we are witnessing now is the result of America refusing to accept the democratic result. In fact, America's own reputation as a bastion of democracy has imploded as a result. You say to me that America supports democracy in the Middle East and I can illustrate that lie.


Yeah, it's not right for all countries.

That's 'Hypocrisy as Policy' . You might consider standing for the Hypocrites at the next elections. If there are any , that is. Someone might decide that the people are incapable of choosing the right winners.

[Kathianne]

I'm afraid you can't 'manage' democracy . Hamas won fair and square and what we are witnessing now is the result of America refusing to accept the democratic result. In fact, America's own reputation as a bastion of democracy has imploded as a result. You say to me that America supports democracy in the Middle East and I can illustrate that lie.



That's 'Hypocrisy as Policy' . You might consider standing for the Hypocrites at the next elections. If there are any , that is. Someone might decide that the people are incapable of choosing the right winners.

That's fine. Where democracy is taught along with the principles of freedom and responsibility, it takes root. Where just the idea of 'one man, one vote', open it up, not so well.

[moon]

Freedom and responsibility are birthrights. Invasion takes both away.

[moon]

Israel bombs Gaza's Islamic University in new wave of strikes

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050912.html

The Zionists do not deserve to be included in any future for Israel, let alone be permitted to run an exclusively Zionist State. They are simply common criminals armed by America.

[namvet]

namvet;



This man is disturbed and unfit for further duty. Take him away.

Israel At 'War to the Bitter End,' Strikes Key Hamas Sites

I do hope the bitter end of Islam, Pig !!!!!

link (link)

Iran is next !!!!!!!!!!!

[moon]

Quote:Originally Posted by moon
namvet;



This man is disturbed and unfit for further duty. Take him away.

namvet;
Israel At 'War to the Bitter End,' Strikes Key Hamas Sites

I do hope the bitter end of Islam, Pig !!!!!

link

Iran is next !!!!!!!!!!!
__________________

Deep sedation recommended, restraints if necessary.

[namvet]

The Zionists do not deserve to be included in any future for Israel, let alone be permitted to run an exclusively Zionist State. They are simply common criminals armed by America.

correct a conspiracy against Islam. BTY pig, Hamas forces civilians into combat area to be slaughtered. now why would they do that PIG ????!!!!! also Hitler used the Muslim pigs to hunt down jews. its payback time fucker

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/3779/ww2182rz4.jpg

you and your pig family be sure and take a shower first

[moon]

namvet;

correct a conspiracy against Islam. BTY pig, Hamas forces civilians into combat area to be slaughtered. now why would they do that PIG ????!!!!! also Hitler used the Muslim pigs to hunt down jews. its payback time fucker

you and your pig family be sure and take a shower first


Mark his chart ' Possible lobotomy subject to specialist examination ' .

[namvet]

namvet;



Mark his chart ' Possible lobotomy subject to specialist examination ' .

by all means. you and your pig family first !!!!!!!!!!! answer this pig. who was Yasser Arafats' uncle ???? ill wait. then we'll start your Nazi style lobotomy without anesthesia

[namvet]

im waiting fucker. who was it ????!!!!

[namvet]

come on stupid. even westerners know the answer

http://www.foxnews.com/images/486166/11_27_122908_Gaza01.jpg

BOOM !!! there's another 200 Muslims dead !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PostmodernProphet]

PostmodernProphet;


You're confusing 'engaging' in violence with 'causing' it. The Zionist occupation is the cause of the violence and that indisputable.

is that why the violence ended when Israel withdrew from Gaza?........

[namvet]

so the Moon has to research something we already know. you phoney lying bastard.

[moon]

namvet;

by all means. you and your pig family first !!!!!!!!!!! answer this pig. who was Yasser Arafats' uncle ???? ill wait. then we'll start your Nazi style lobotomy without anesthesia

im waiting fucker. who was it ????!!!!

come on stupid. even westerners know the answer

so the Moon has to research something we already know. you phoney lying bastard.

Increase sedation . Better contact the patient's relatives.

[namvet]

namvet;


Increase sedation . Better contact the patient's relatives.

you stupid fuck !!! every bastard Muslim kid in grade school is taught this.

[namvet]

looks like the camel jumped over the moon :laugh2::laugh2::lol:

[Kathianne]

you stupid fuck !!! every bastard Muslim kid in grade school is taught this.

I think you can express your disdain for the poster and his ideas with less 'fuks?' You have some great arguments, this just detracts.

[moon]

PmP;

is that why the violence ended when Israel withdrew from Gaza?........

You're not trying to sell the 'withdrawn from Gaza' canard, surely. The Zionists retained complete control over all aspects of Gazan territory, ground , sea and air. The 'withdrawal' consisted of shifting a few hundred demented Zionist squatters who were becoming expensive to protect. It was a smoke-and-mirrors exercise intended to persuade Guantanamo George to support the Zionist retention of the illegally-occupied West Bank. It almost worked, except everybody in the world , except Guantanamo, saw through it immediately.
People won't bend to occupation. Not the French Resistance to the Nazis, not the Palestinian Resistance to the Zionist fascists. If the Zionists were to murder all 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza there are 5 million more to take their place and more than a billion muslims worldwide who will ensure that Zionism pays the price for its ignorance of humanity's basic principles. In short, if you're a Zionist then you're going down, and there isn't any other direction for you.

[namvet]

I think you can express your disdain for the poster and his ideas with less 'fuks?' You have some great arguments, this just detracts.

are my brass knuckles showing again?????

[namvet]

PmP;


You're not trying to sell the 'withdrawn from Gaza' canard, surely. The Zionists retained complete control over all aspects of Gazan territory, ground , sea and air. The 'withdrawal' consisted of shifting a few hundred demented Zionist squatters who were becoming expensive to protect. It was a smoke-and-mirrors exercise intended to persuade Guantanamo George to support the Zionist retention of the illegally-occupied West Bank. It almost worked, except everybody in the world , except Guantanamo, saw through it immediately.
People won't bend to occupation. Not the French Resistance to the Nazis, not the Palestinian Resistance to the Zionist fascists. If the Zionists were to murder all 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza there are 5 million more to take their place and more than a billion muslims worldwide who will ensure that Zionism pays the price for its ignorance of humanities basic principles. In short, if you're a Zionist then you're going down, and there isn't any other direction for you.

nice mis direction ploy. won't work. whats the answer moon ????

[moon]

namvet;

nice mis direction ploy. won't work. whats the answer moon ????

42.

Make it 42 milligrams of a suitable benzodiazepine and get the nurses to pretend they're the moon talking back to him.

[namvet]

namvet;


42.

Make it 42 milligrams of a suitable benzodiazepine and get the nurses to pretend they're the moon talking back to him.

another failure. Q #2.

why do Muslims deny the Holocaust???? your sinking fast Muslim

[namvet]

no answers. you've been mooned again

[moon]

Somebody oil his saluting arm.

[namvet]

Somebody oil his saluting arm.

that's up your ASS right now !!!!

[Kathianne]

that's up your ASS right now !!!!

He really is having a problem with answering questions, but that is his MO.

[namvet]

he's computer illiterate. the answers are right there in front of "it"

[moon]

Kathianne;

He really is having a problem with answering questions, but that is his MO.

Horseshit. You've been too long in namvetworld, where the 'questions' involve body orifices and torture methods . Anybody asking me a reasonable question gets a reasonable answer. The other shit gets kicked off the sidewalk.

[Classact]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081227/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians/print;_ylt=AvP.fxNh69hGqsXFiZCqDKgUewgFI think this is part of a grand plan created in Iran by the theocrats. Iraq is having elections next month, Israel is having elections in Feb.... Obama is taking office on Jan. 20... the plan is to have their surrogates Hamas to start some shit with Israel, of course Israel won't eat shit so they respond. Then the Iranian supporting Shiites in southern Iraq will preach in their holy sites to hate the US and Israel and support the Shiite groups that support Iran and like Palestine have a democratic government in Iraq that supports terror. Then as Israel heats up Iran will start some shit from Hezballah in Lebanon and Israel will respond and Hezballah will take over the government in Lebanon.

I see only one way to put an end to this Iranian bullshit nuke their nuke sites.

[Kathianne]

Kathianne;


Horseshit. You've been too long in namvetworld, where the 'questions' involve body orifices and torture methods . Anybody asking me a reasonable question gets a reasonable answer. The other shit gets kicked off the sidewalk.

Others would disagree. Questions have been asked, reasonably, you refuse to answer. As I've said, you are not here to debate, at least so far, but to make statements of your strongly held beliefs. Your beliefs are not necessarily 'truths.'

[namvet]

Horseshit. You've been too long in namvetworld, where the 'questions' involve body orifices and torture methods . Anybody asking me a reasonable question gets a reasonable answer. The other shit gets kicked off the sidewalk.


I gotta pee. i laffing my ass off at this one hahahahaha................:lol::lol:

[moon]

Kathianne;

Others would disagree. Questions have been asked, reasonably, you refuse to answer. As I've said, you are not here to debate, at least so far, but to make statements of your strongly held beliefs. Your beliefs are not necessarily 'truths.'

I'll be the judge of what is 'reasonable' and what is not. My arguments are backed by legitimate and authoritative sources, something that can't be said for the drool-mouthed hypocrites that have surfaced to 'debate' so far.

I give you the average level of DP mentality;

I gotta pee. i laffing my ass off at this one hahahahaha...............

[namvet]

Kathianne;


I'll be the judge of what is 'reasonable' and what is not. My arguments are backed by legitimate and authoritative sources, something that can't be said for the drool-mouthed hypocrites that have surfaced to 'debate' so far.

I give you the average level of DP mentality;


I'll be the judge of what is 'reasonable' and what is not

THERE'S YOUR SIGN !!!!!!:lol::lol::laugh2::laugh2::coffee:

[moon]

It's very evident that you are not the judge of what is reasonable. Your orders are in the post.

[Kathianne]

THERE'S YOUR SIGN !!!!!!:lol::lol::laugh2::laugh2::coffee:

Indeed. Somehow I remain unconcerned his opinion of my biases or lack thereof.

Moon, I think you would be hard pressed to find many posters I walk in lockstep with. Perhaps with the exceptions of Manu or No1tovote4, we agree in the main, so far.

[moon]

Kathianne;

Moon, I think you would be hard pressed to find many posters I walk in lockstep with. Perhaps with the exceptions of Manu or No1tovote4, we agree in the main, so far.

I see you pushing namvet around in his chair, I see you avoiding any concrete evidence that undermines your preconceived ideas. That's pretty much in step with Zombietown DP. Your saving grace is the absence of imbecilic photochops and a willingness to at least attempt to defend the indefensible by the usual rules of etiquette.

Manu is adrift without a paddle. The other guy doesn't post much.

[Kathianne]

Kathianne;


I see you pushing namvet around in his chair, I see you avoiding any concrete evidence that undermines your preconceived ideas. That's pretty much in step with Zombietown DP. Your saving grace is the absence of imbecilic photochops and a willingness to at least attempt to defend the indefensible by the usual rules of etiquette.

Manu is adrift without a paddle. The other guy doesn't post much.

Again, your opinion. You are not open to any possibilities other than your preconceived ideas and revisionist history regarding the ME.

[moon]

After sixty years of Zionist media lies the internet has provided an excellent platform for truth. You might like to term that truth 'revisionism' for your own ends and I might like to term it 'revisionism' for mine.

3. a departure from any authoritative or generally accepted doctrine, theory, practice, etc.

The internet is overturning the ' generally accepted ' because the 'generally accepted' has been a lie. That's demonstrable . And I'll demonstrate it over time.

[Gaffer]

Kathianne;


I see you pushing namvet around in his chair, I see you avoiding any concrete evidence that undermines your preconceived ideas. That's pretty much in step with Zombietown DP. Your saving grace is the absence of imbecilic photochops and a willingness to at least attempt to defend the indefensible by the usual rules of etiquette.

Manu is adrift without a paddle. The other guy doesn't post much.

If you don't like us here why don't you leave. I think you like being abused and publicly humiliated.

You really should go to gaza and join the fight, since your so adamant about destroying Israel. I'm sure they have openings in their rocket positions. You could be among friends and have lots of children around you to help keep you safe. You do want to martyr yourself for your moon god don't you?

[namvet]

moons on a gurney. hurry up. open the 19th floor window :laugh2::laugh2:

[moon]

Gaffer;

If you don't like us here why don't you leave.

I'm still collecting specimens.



I think you like being abused and publicly humiliated.

How long have you felt that your 'thoughts' were of any interest to anybody ?

[Gaffer]

Gaffer;


I'm still collecting specimens.




How long have you felt that your 'thoughts' were of any interest to anybody ?

So when are you leaving for gaza?

[moon]

"The settlement of the Land of Israel is the essence of Zionism. Without settlement, we will not fulfill Zionism. It's that simple." (Yitzhak Shamir (Maariv, 02/21/1997).

Thus, it became necessary to punish those who sought peace – and wage war.


http://www.palestinechronicle.com/

This little quote from Yitzhak Shamir encapsulates Zionism for the non-Zionist. What Shamir fails to pass on though, and I am sure that he knew, is that the settlement program is, and always was, finite. Even if it were to try to annex all of Palestine, a goal now impossible, it would come up against other insurmountable barriers. In short, its 'essence' depends upon the impossible for its survival. What sort of a doctrine is that ?

http://www.nkusa.org/

http://www.nkusa.org/images/flag-ani.gif

Jews united against Zionism


Gaffer;

So when are you leaving for gaza?

It's you that's got your head up your ass. See any clues ?

[namvet]

"The settlement of the Land of Israel is the essence of Zionism. Without settlement, we will not fulfill Zionism. It's that simple." (Yitzhak Shamir (Maariv, 02/21/1997).

Thus, it became necessary to punish those who sought peace – and wage war.


http://www.palestinechronicle.com/

This little quote from Yitzhak Shamir encapsulates Zionism for the non-Zionist. What Shamir fails to pass on though, and I am sure that he knew, is that the settlement program is, and always was, finite. Even if it were to try to annex all of Palestine, a goal now impossible, it would come up against other insurmountable barriers. In short, its 'essence' depends upon the impossible for its survival. What sort of a doctrine is that ?

http://www.nkusa.org/

http://www.nkusa.org/images/flag-ani.gif

Jews united against Zionism


Gaffer;


It's you that's got your head up your ass. See any clues ?

hey moonie. new years is coming up. wanna go bar hoping with me???? my treat :coffee:

[namvet]

these hot babes will warm up your cold ass

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[manu1959]

Manu is adrift without a paddle.

you can't refute that arabs guilty of the same actions you accuse the israelis of ..... you can not find anything in international law, un support or genva convention articles to support the actions of the arabs ......

the military response of the arabs to the mere existance of israel is disproportionate ..... arabs have been attacking israel since the day it was created ......

[moon]

Manu, you're still short of a demonstration of permanent territorial annexation by means of war, post 1947. Go fetch, before you try to offer any serious profile of your legal education.

namvet;

these hot babes will warm up your cold ass

And well they might. Yours is the redhead in the middle.

[avatar4321]

Avatar4321;


Yes, it is happening. You'll find it on the front page of any credible newspaper or website. The Zionists have killed over 5,000 Palestinians since 2000. One thousand of those were children. Do they a 'right' to do it ? You are correct, they do not.




Not when that 'self defense' constitutes a disproportional aggression of itself. That's illegal. It's also immoral, but there is scant respect for morality at DP.



That isn't evident in anything I've seen you post. On the contrary, you seem confused and ignorant of international law.

And hence the problem with International law. It's not binding. Treaties can be enforced, atleast until the nations involved decide not to be bound by it. "Custom" which is a complete joke only applies if the nations involved choose to be bound by it and that is weak because all it takes is a nation to do something else and they can argue its not custom.

The UN Resolutions arent binding law. The UN has no sovereignty. Nor would any sane nation give them sovereignty. Their very structure prevents them from ever being an effective way to govern.

No, my friend, It's you who is confused about international law. You seem to think its rooted in reality. But the problem is no law is binding on this earth without the ability to back it up with the use of force. And no law will remain long without the consent of the governed.

Wars cannot be governed by law. They are the very definition of what happens when there is no law and people act for themselves. Nor can civilians be "innocent" when war is involved. Even in oppressive regimes, the people have still consented through inaction.

The nations tried to create laws for war because they were scared. They realized what they had done and what their opponents had done and rather than take responsibility for the horror, they decided, "Let's create laws so we can punish our enemies and than make us feel better." But they are denying what war really us. And thus when they face a real enemy, they are confused because their enemies dont follow the "international laws of war". They arent "civilized." And the so called "civilized" dont want to face the truth because they are afraid.

That's why so called "civilized" people fall.

[avatar4321]

Time is on the side of the Palestinians. More Palestinians are born than the Zionists can kill. There are five million in the refugee diaspora alone. Maybe they will reintroduce their program of sniping Palestinian schoolchildren in their homes and classrooms. That's just one of their measures for 'population control' . What we are now witnessing is another. Zionism is sick. It is sick, it is brutal and, g-d be praised , it is consuming itself .

ttp://www.nkusa.org/

http://www.nkusa.org/images/flag-ani.gif

Jews united against Zionism

Palestinians dont have to worry about the Jews killing them. They do fine strapping bombs to themselves.

[moon]

avatar4321;

That's why so called "civilized" people fall.

Nihilistic tripe.

There is far more to the authority of law than force. Law invites the governed to meld with it, even change it. No wonder you failed your course. You have no respect for human nature.

[avatar4321]

I stated quite clearly that I supported a democratic State. Are you suddenly against Democracy because it might shape events contrary to how you'd like ?

I actually do oppose democracy when it leads to oppression. I like freedom. Doesnt matter the form of government.

[Kathianne]

I actually do oppose democracy when it leads to oppression. I like freedom. Doesnt matter the form of government.

Democracy demands an educated and informed electorate, which is why I've grown increasingly concerned about our own. What is going on in the ME, both regarding propaganda and the unwillingness of either side to truly inform themselves about the others to me negates functional democracy.

[moon]

I actually do oppose democracy when it leads to oppression.

So, give an example of a State oppressed by democracy, past or present.

Or are you hinting at your dissatisfaction with the US system today, as is Kathianne ?

[avatar4321]

Kathianne;


I'll be the judge of what is 'reasonable' and what is not. My arguments are backed by legitimate and authoritative sources, something that can't be said for the drool-mouthed hypocrites that have surfaced to 'debate' so far.

I give you the average level of DP mentality;

Who appointed you judge of what's reasonable? Sorry, dont play by those rules.

[PostmodernProphet]

And well they might. Yours is the redhead in the middle.

how odd....you attack someone with accusations of homosexuality, yet you protest bigotry against homosexuals in another thread....I sense a lack of consistency.....

[moon]

Who appointed you judge of what's reasonable? .

I did. As any free-thinking person does.


Sorry, dont play by those rules

Time you did then.

[eighballsidepocket]

If the Zionists have the right to slaughter whomsoever they like in order to 'protect their people' then anybody else has the same right to slaughter at will. Nobody can defend the Zionist attacks on civilian centres and object to non-Zionist slaughters elsewhere. Well, hypocrites can, and do, but then they're more concerned with hypocrisy as a way of life than any particular issue.
The next time that a bomb rips through an Israeli civilian centre which Zionists will dare condemn it ?

http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems/Images/2008/12/28/200812281114524734_3.jpg



It will be 'kiss your Zionist asses goodbye ' when they do.

That is the most "convoluted" statement I've heard lately!

Might as well, just show your true colors........Israelies=bad
Hamas=Victims.

[moon]

PmP;

how odd....you attack someone with accusations of homosexuality, yet you protest bigotry against homosexuals in another thread.....

I just offered him the pick of the bunch. Ingrate.


I sense a lack of consistency....

Imagine what Gaffer senses, with his head up his ass.

[manu1959]

I'll be the judge of what is 'reasonable' and what is not.

My arguments are backed by legitimate and authoritative sources, something that can't be said for the drool-mouthed hypocrites that have surfaced to 'debate' so far.



randomly launching rockets into civilian neighborhoods, blowing up buses and cafes is a reasonable response to the existance of the state of israel ..... based on what legitimate authoritative source .....

[avatar4321]

avatar4321;


Nihilistic tripe.

There is far more to the authority of law than force. Law invites the governed to meld with it, even change it. No wonder you failed your course. You have no respect for human nature.

human nature? law isnt human nature. In fact, law contradicts human nature by definition. if it was human nature, the law wouldnt be needed because we would simply follow it.

Law cannot save people. It provides some order in our society. But it also cripples our society in areas. Human law is subjective and changible. It's not based off of truth, it's based off of covenience.

People seem to think they can change law to change the actions of others. And it does sometimes, usually in a way for them to get around the law and find another way to do what they wanted to do in the first place. Law doesn't govern us, we govern ourselves.

Which is why it's all a matter of choice.

[moon]

eighballs;

That is the most "convoluted" statement I've heard lately!



You got 'convoluted' in quotes for any particular reason ? Or just sloppy punctuation ?


Might as well, just show your true colors........Israelies=bad
Hamas=Victims.

No. Zionism bad, Hamas victims. There's a near dissertation on the difference which you may have missed.

Oh yes, welcome to the turkey shoot. The turkey is winning.

avatar4321;

human nature? law isnt human nature.

You're becoming more absurd . I'll go further; law enshrines aspects of a higher human awareness. It even governs Supreme Courts by way of conventional wisdom. The 'customary law' , which you decry, is conventional wisdom. The Constitution is conventional wisdom, handed down as exemplary human nature. As is the United Nations Charter. Israel is the sick man in terms of that , legal, wisdom.

[avatar4321]

So, give an example of a State oppressed by democracy, past or present.

Or are you hinting at your dissatisfaction with the US system today, as is Kathianne ?

That's easy. The Palesetinian state oppressed by Hamas.
Athens in ancient Greece.
Venezuela.

I am not happy with certain thing's in the US system. But we arent a democracy and for a very good reason.

[avatar4321]

I did. As any free-thinking person does.



Time you did then.

I think for myself. I dont need unprincipled people like yourself to determine what I think.

[avatar4321]

You're becoming more absurd .

The light is absurded when you are used to sitting in darkness.

[eighballsidepocket]

Moon: You are a person to be most-pitied.

You dissect "convoluted" in quotes, and that's your argument or rebuttal?

You don't seem to fathom that Hamas lobbing rockets incessantly into Israel is not a nice thing to do. It inflames hatred against them/Hamas. It is counter-productive. Most of the Islamic world concurrs. Hamas much stop this. Hamas actually has the blood of all of those Palestinian innocent lives on their hands. If they had chosen to live in peace with Israel, great opportunities would have opened up to the Palestinian people.

Why does Hamas place missle launching platforms in obvious residential areas? When Israel knockes them out, the collateral damage is used as propaganda to show how cruel the Jews are. The blood of innocent Palestinians is no Hamas's hands.......None other!

Even an high up Palestinian official in Egypt was quoted as saying that Hamas must stop the missles if their is to be a stop to the Israeli attacks.

Israel, just wants to live in peace amongst it's neighbors. It has handed back land to it's neighbors which was won with the blood other their countrymen, in an attempt to appease this constant "Zionist" hatred of their nation and people. Does it work? NO! Hamas via the Gaza strip, and Lebanon, still lobs the missles, sends suicide bombers, and continues the relentless prodding and poking at the "sleeping bear". Iran has much Palestinian blood on it's hands, as they have been the financial, as well as weapons support for Hamas.

Even Jordan, kicked out all the Palestinians from their borders. Why? They didn't want to deal with them.

The Palestinians never had a country/nation, but have been nomadic or peoples who have just lived off the land, and been included within many Middle Eastern nation's borders. If they live in harmony with their Islamic host nations, then they can be made inclusive, but they have been as much a "thorn" to the Islamic world as they have to Israel.

It's just that the Islamic world has literally, "dumped" the Palestinians on the Israeli's, and have washed their very bloody and guilty hands of dealing with them.

Collectively, all the surrounding Islamic nations could absorb in the Palestinian people and their would no longer be this issue in Gaza, or a Hamas.

Sadly, the Quran, vividly states that the Islamic people cannot live in peace with people of any other faith. That is the real "corker" to this mess. On the other hand true biblical Christianity is very inclusive, and will live at peace with other faiths, as long as their is mutual respect exercised by the non-Christian faiths towards the Christians.

To an extent, the Jews, have tried to do this, but the engendered hatred, propagated by evil mullahs, that want no part in co-existence with Israel with the strong financial support of Persian Iran, there will be no peace.

I'm afraid that the only answer to this festering problem will come with the fall of Iran's regime of "Zionist" hatred and extinction. If anything, Iran has been the unsettling, imbalance-point in the Middle East since the fall of the Shah. Sadly, I believe that the futre holds a forboding future for Iran. I trully believe that before the next decade is finished, Iran may be a ghostly place of existence. I don't believe that Europe will hold much more patience for all the unrest fomented by Iran, and will partner with the U.S. in reeking havoc on Iran militarily in one enormous way.

I think that Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, and the Emirates will all take collective relief from the demise of Iran as a Middle East power.

[moon]

avatar;

That's easy. The Palesetinian state oppressed by Hamas.

The Israeli State oppressed by Zionism. Palestine is clearly oppressed by Zionism too. Its parliament is in Zionist dungeons.

[namvet]

avatar;


The Israeli State oppressed by Zionism. Palestine is clearly oppressed by Zionism too. Its parliament is in Zionist dungeons.

no dungeons. a bullet's cheaper

[moon]

eighballs;

Moon: You are a person to be most-pitied.

You dissect "convoluted" in quotes, and that's your argument or rebuttal?

Pity away.

Not at all, I was wondering if you were quoting somebody.


You don't seem to fathom that Hamas lobbing rockets incessantly into Israel is not a nice thing to do. It inflames hatred against them/Hamas. It is counter-productive. Most of the Islamic world concurrs

Horseshit. The Islamic world is behind Palestine to a man. Your eyes are filled with Washington arabs, as Rupert Murdoch intends them to be.


If they had chosen to live in peace with Israel, great opportunities would have opened up to the Palestinian people.

They have exercised the egg's prerogative to spurn the omelette.


Israel, just wants to live in peace amongst it's neighbors.

Horseshit. Zionism expounds settlement as its essence. Ask Yitzhak Shamir .

Pardon me if I don't respond to the rest of your drivel. It's fairly innocuous, I'll grant you that, but it pains me that anybody could be such a victim of Zionist propaganda. You sound like Golda Meir's hairdresser.

[moon]

namvet;

no dungeons. a bullet's cheaper

That's odd. The sedation should have kicked in by now.

[Kathianne]

namvet;


That's odd. The sedation should have kicked in by now.

Please, flaming not necessary, the topic is hot enough.

[moon]

http://www.sheknows.com/graphics/emoticons/tapedshut.gif

[Kathianne]

http://www.sheknows.com/graphics/emoticons/tapedshut.gif

gee, I thought you had some substance to bring, guess not.

[Yurt]

hamas is getting their ass kicked...

[namvet]

they should bulldoze the bodies like Hitler did. in 6 months plant a victory garden

[avatar4321]

avatar;


The Israeli State oppressed by Zionism. Palestine is clearly oppressed by Zionism too. Its parliament is in Zionist dungeons.

Ill take your inability to respond coherently as a sign that you concede my point.

Of course, even if I didnt, the fact that you are claiming that the Israeli Democracy is oppressing people completely undermines your argument to begin with. But then I guess that's what happens when you let your hate and anger cloud any judgment you have.

[namvet]

photos just in from the far east IDF

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[namvet]

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[namvet]

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[manu1959]

seems the arabs underestimated the response.....

[namvet]

leave it to a Muslim. always brings a knife to a gunfight..............

[Kathianne]

seems the arabs underestimated the response.....

Have they ever done different? Losers of the max amount.

[avatar4321]

Ive heard insanity defined as doing the same thing again and again expecting different results.

[red states rule]

and now how the liberal media sees things


Darn Israel and Hamas for... Wrecking Obama's Great Foreign Policy Plans?
By Warner Todd Huston (Bio | Archive)
December 29, 2008 - 01:50 ET

The Palestinians raise their kids to hate Jews. The Israelis have endured decades of acts of terror against their own children and have generally acted with forbearance in reply. The UN has been vehemently and irrationally anti-Israeli since day one. The questions of "right of return" and the "two state solution" have dogged international politics for a long time. And what is the Timesonline worried about? Are they worried about the safety of Jewish children. Are they concerned of the improvement in quality of life for Palestinian children? No, none of that. The Times is worried that all this will hurt poor Barack Obama and his wonderful plans for a foreign policy that will at last bring us peace in our times.

I'm not kidding. In all this mess, the Times is most concerned that Obama's foreign policy promises will be harmed because of what Hamas has forced upon itself. While Obama skips church and runs off to the gym on a daily basis, the Times is all concerned for Barack's foreign policy.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/12/29/darn-israel-hamas-wrecking-obamas-great-foreign-policy-plans

[moon]

So don't buy it. You can subscribe to namvet's Armor Fetish Daily instead.

[moon]

Iran Jews stage pro-Palestinian rally near UN offices in Tehran

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1051290.html

Some 25,000 Jews still live in Iran. Many have visited Israel, where a large percentage of the community has immigrated in the past 30 years. Still, others prefer to remain in Iran. There are rarely reports of the community suffering from antagonism or aggression from their neighbors or from the government.

So, the Iranians aren't anti-jewish at all then, just anti-Zionist. That's a kick in the bollox for the New Klan, just as they were working themselves into a lather.

http://www.nkusa.org/

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Jews united against Zionism

[moon]

Foreign ministers from the quartet of Middle East peace-brokers have urged an immediate end to violence in Gaza and southern Israel.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7805386.stm

Only four days late. Incompetent assholes.


Quartet calls for immediate truce between Israel and Gaza

By Natasha Mozgovaya, Haaretz Correspondent and News Agencies



Foreign ministers from the Quartet of Middle East peace brokers - the United Nations, the United States, Russia and the European Union - called on Tuesday for an immediate cease-fire in Gaza and southern Israel after a telephone consultation.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1051301.html

Another four hundred dead Zionists and it's game even.

[manu1959]

Only four days late. Incompetent assholes.

stop launching rockets and the beating will stop.....pretty simple

[moon]

Withdraw from Palestine and there will be no need for resistance.

[manu1959]

Withdraw from Palestine and there will be no need for resistance.

there is no such place to withdraw from......

[namvet]

Only four days late. Incompetent assholes.



Another four hundred dead Zionists and it's game even.

why not call your butcher pals in Iran and Sryia???? their responsible here. but whats a few billion dead Muslims to them ???? the world don't give a fuck about Muslims anyway. never have never will. chicken shit

[namvet]

Withdraw from Palestine and there will be no need for resistance.

invade Palestine and there will be no need for resistance

[moon]

manu;

there is no such place to withdraw from......

The UN disagrees, as previously demonstrated. You're going to have to dump your favorite poo.

namvet;

invade Palestine and there will be no need for resistance

Sixty years of invasion and no cigar.

[namvet]

manu;


The UN disagrees, as previously demonstrated. You're going to have to dump your favorite poo.

namvet;


Sixty years of invasion and no cigar.

cigars handed out for millions of dead Muslims. top that...........

[eighballsidepocket]

Withdraw from Palestine and there will be no need for resistance.

Palestinians have never had a nation, and getting the Gaza from the Israeli's was a God-send or Allah-send for them.

No that wasn't enough. "Away with the Zionist dogs!"

The Palestinians must police themselves and get rid of the terrorist, and self destructive Hamas element if their is any peace for the Palestinians.

Moon: Remember your Islamic buddies, the Jordanians kicked the Palestinians out of their country and created this mess. Why not "rag" on the Jordanians. If they had absorbed them in as well as all the neighboring Islamic countries, then Israel wouldn't be the target of all this hatred.

Besides your Zionists have treated the Palestinians much better than your Lebanese, Egyptian, Syrian, and other Islamic buddies. You know it too. They've all washed their hands of the Palestinians, and just use them as tools or fodder against Israel.:salute:

[moon]

And where do you think that the 5 million Palestinian refugees live ?

[avatar4321]

And where do you think that the 5 million Palestinian refugees live ?

Obviously not Palestine. Or else they wouldnt be refugees

[namvet]

And where do you think that the 5 million Palestinian refugees live ?

on the front line. where the the bombs and rockets fall

[red states rule]

and liberals wonder why their radio shows fail and people turn off their shows?

Here is another great example of liberals supporting the appeasement of terrorists


Maddow Criticizes Lack of 'Proportionality' to Israel Hitting Hamas -- While Exaggerating Civilian Deaths
By Jack Coleman (Bio | Archive)
December 30, 2008 - 17:25 ET

Listening to Rachel Maddow's criticism of Israel for the conflict in Gaza, I was reminded of a cartoon I saw years ago when World War II was still vividly within memory for many Americans.

The cartoon showed a German having built what he expected to be a toy, with the empty box and its assembled contents beside him and a friend standing nearby. The man turned to his friend in exasperation and said -- No matter what they send out, it always ends up a machine gun.

Maddow is like the postwar German industry of the cartoonist's premise -- not much versatility in the product line. Regardless of circumstances leading to renewed conflict in the Middle East, her deconstruction of reality places only Israel on the trigger end of a smoking gun, and guilty for whatever actions led to its use.

Here's what Maddow imparted to her Air America Radio listeners on Monday --

But while we're on the wild wide world of scary tour, of course, Israel has started another war. A third straight day of airstrikes on Gaza, the death toll now more than 300 people. Israel says they are doing this to prevent Palestinians from firing rockets into southern Israel. First of all, there's the question of proportionality as to how many people those rockets have killed versus how many people the Israeli bombing has now killed. There's also the issue of effectiveness. In the midst of this massive air assault killing hundreds of civilians in Gaza, a rocket fired from Gaza today killed a man and wounded seven in the Israeli town of Ashkelon. Effectiveness. Three Israelis were also stabbed by a Palestinian in a Jewish settlement in the West Bank today. Is there a military solution to this problem?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jack-coleman/2008/12/30/maddow-criticizes-lack-proportionality-israel-hitting-hamas-while-exag

[PostmodernProphet]

Withdraw from Palestine and there will be no need for resistance.
withdrawing from Gaza sure didn't make any difference.....

[PostmodernProphet]

Obviously not Palestine. Or else they wouldnt be refugees

this post should be bronzed with a small plaque reading "This is how logic is used"........

[red states rule]

withdrawing from Gaza sure didn't make any difference.....

Correct me if I am wrong, but when Israel was forcibly removing settlers from their home on the Gaza, I remember the terrorists shooting at them as they were LEAVING

Even when the terrorists get what they want, they still want to kill

[manu1959]

manu;
The UN disagrees, as previously demonstrated. You're going to have to dump your favorite poo.


can you link me to a UN map with palestine on it.....

[moon]

PmP;

withdrawing from Gaza sure didn't make any difference.....
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That's right, it didn't. The resistance fired rockets while the squatters were there and they fired them when they weren't. Moving one's squatters from A to B doesn't end the occupation, although it does save the American taxpayer the cost of guarding them from the land's rightful owners.

There was no 'withdrawal' in any other sense. Gazans remain prisoners, albeit prisoners of criminals.

[namvet]

the UN is to busy making scams and $$$. they'll react. but only if there's something in it for them. its been officially neutered for years. totally useless.

[moon]

manu;

there is no such place to withdraw from......


can you link me to a UN map with palestine on it.....
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You're too daft to differentiate between the actuality of Palestine and Palestine's UN recognition as a sovereign State. Your 'no such place' repetitive canard is simply parroting. The British Mandate map of Palestine is quite clear, as is the UN Resolution 181 partition map;


http://www.sighost.com/user/squaremoon/240px-un_partition_plan_for_palestine_1947.png


More recent maps illustrate the extent of Zionist occupation, an occupation recognised by international law;

http://www.sighost.com/user/squaremoon/gif-palestinian-loss-of-lan.jpg


So don't keep on with your bleating drivel or I'll simply refer you back to this post , which in itself illustrates what a complete and grasping dullard your parroting paints you.


In addition, I repeat;



Palestinian Status Upgraded at the UN


On July 7, 1998, the United Nations General Assembly voted to upgrade the status of the Palestinians, giving them a unique status as a non-voting member of the 185 member Assembly.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/palstat.html

So your idiotic premise is dead and, hopefully, buried although Zion-zombies don't obey the usual rules of having their asses kicked.

[namvet]

manu;



You're too daft to differentiate between the actuality of Palestine and Palestine's UN recognition as a sovereign State. Your 'no such place' repetitive canard is simply parroting. The British Mandate map of Palestine is quite clear, as is the UN Resolution 181 partition map;


http://www.sighost.com/user/squaremoon/240px-un_partition_plan_for_palestine_1947.png


More recent maps illustrate the extent of Zionist occupation, an occupation recognised by international law;

http://www.sighost.com/user/squaremoon/gif-palestinian-loss-of-lan.jpg


So don't keep on with your bleating drivel or I'll simply refer you back to this post , which in itself illustrates what a complete and grasping dullard your parroting paints you.


In addition, I repeat;




So your idiotic premise is dead and, hopefully, buried although Zion-zombies don't obey the usual rules of having their asses kicked.

sighost

http://www.sighost.com/gallery/gtf/649.jpg:dance:

[Mr. P]

manu;



You're too daft to differentiate between the actuality of Palestine and Palestine's UN recognition as a sovereign State. Your 'no such place' repetitive canard is simply parroting. The British Mandate map of Palestine is quite clear, as is the UN Resolution 181 partition map;






So don't keep on with your bleating drivel or I'll simply refer you back to this post , which in itself illustrates what a complete and grasping dullard your parroting paints you.


In addition, I repeat;




So your idiotic premise is dead and, hopefully, buried although Zion-zombies don't obey the usual rules of having their asses kicked.

Palestine is a "region" and ALWAYS has been. It's not a state nor country.
Have I told you today that "YOU'RE AN IDIOT"?

[moon]

I refer you to post #174.

[eighballsidepocket]

I refer you to post #176.

You conveniently present a Palestinian Region map that only includes Israel, and seems to magically stop at Israel's borders as though the Palestinian region stops there too.

In a formal debate, you'd be hacked to pieces presenting such biased documents.:salute:

[moon]

eighballs;

You conveniently present a Palestinian Region map that only includes Israel, and seems to magically stop at Israel's borders as though the Palestinian region stops there too.

I can put you in touch with a good optometrist, if you'd like,

I refer you back to #174.

Edit; On second thoughts you might actually be having sight problems and that suggestion could be considered rude. Here's an official UN map which you can enlarge for detail. Note that it's actually labelled 'Palestine'.

http://tinyurl.com/77gb8f

Note that a map of British Mandate Palestine wasn't requested, but they are readily available, also labelled 'Palestine'. The fact that 'Israel' doesn't appear on it tallies with the fact that Israel didn't exist at that time. If you still think you can make Palestine disappear, don't bother me with it.


In a formal debate, you'd be hacked to pieces presenting such biased documents.

Please try.

[Mr. P]

I refer you to post #174.

And I'll refer you to post #176.

[moon]

Then I'll ask you for proof of Palestine's disappearance and you'll confirm your turkoid status. Go for it, in fact. Show that there's no Palestine, in the face of indisputable official evidence to the contrary. Geez, I ought to get paid for teaching on here.

[Little-Acorn]

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gm08123120081231125729.jpg

[Yurt]

here is an interesting POV:

The term "Palestinian" is itself a masterful twisting of history. To portray themselves as indigenous, Arab settlers adopted the name of an ancient Canaanite tribe, the Philistines, that died out almost 3000 years ago. The connection between this tribe and modern day Arabs is nil. Who is to know the difference? Given the absence of any historical record, one can understand why Yasser Arafat claims that Jesus Christ, a Jewish carpenter from the Galilee, was a Palestinian. Every year, at Christmas time, Arafat goes to Bethlehem and tells worshippers that Jesus was in fact "the first Palestinian".

If the Palestinians are indeed a myth, then the real question becomes "Why?" Why invent a fictitious people? The answer is that the myth of the Palestinian People serves as the justification for Arab occupation of the Land of Israel. While the Arabs already possess 21 sovereign countries of their own (more than any other single people on earth) and control a land mass 800 times the size of the Land of Israel, this is apparently not enough for them. They therefore feel the need to rob the Jews of their one and only country, one of the smallest on the planet. Unfortunately, many people ignorant of the history of the region, including much of the world media, are only too willing to help.

On second thought, it may be unfair to compare Palestine to Disneyland. After all, Disneyland really exists.

http://www.masada2000.org/palestine-myth.html

[Yurt]

1. when was palestine ever considered a nation? and when were the people actually considered palestinians?

2. if you claim it is a nation, what was its capital, currency, leaders...etc...

[namvet]

Palestinian is a great place to spray agent orange.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Defoliation_agent_spraying.jpg/600px-Defoliation_agent_spraying.jpg

[moon]

Yurt;

here is an interesting POV: #183

Your reputation as a total schmuck must be just about indelible by now. Your post is a cut-n-paste. Unfortunately for you it is still talking about Arafat.

See posts #174/179 for a reality check.


1. when was palestine ever considered a nation? and when were the people actually considered palestinians?

2. if you claim it is a nation, what was its capital, currency, leaders...etc...

I refer you to posts #174/179.

[Yurt]

Yurt;


Your reputation as a total schmuck must be just about indelible by now. Your post is a cut-n-paste. Unfortunately for you it is still talking about Arafat.

See posts #174/179 for a reality check.



I refer you to posts #174/179.

:lol:

translation:

i, moonsliman, have nothign to debate so i will attack yurt and his reputation

you conveniently ignore this:

if you claim it is a nation, what was its capital, currency, leaders...etc...

[moon]

You're being rather silly. Your dumb 'questions' are covered in post #174. Your cut-n-paste is outdated, as is your viewpoint.

[namvet]

You're being rather silly. Your dumb 'questions' are covered in post #174. Your cut-n-paste is outdated, as is your viewpoint.

its you and your dumb ass answers we're laffin at

[moon]

its you and your dumb ass answers we're laffin at

'We' ? Seems you've been playing solo for a while now. House is empty too.

[namvet]

'We' ? Seems you've been playing solo for a while now. House is empty too.

yes WE

[moon]

Strange echo in here.

[namvet]

more like a chicken cluck

[OCA]

Palestinian is a great place to spray agent orange.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Defoliation_agent_spraying.jpg/600px-Defoliation_agent_spraying.jpg


"Palestinian".......................ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:l augh2::laugh2:

[OCA]

more like a chicken cluck

I think you mean chickenhawk and water carrier for the Jews.

[Kathianne]

exactly......ask yourself this.....is hamas response to the mere existance of israel ..... legal, justified and proportionate.....launching rockets into neighborhoods, blowing up buses and cafes.....yes i am sure arabs think it is all perfectly legal justified and appropriate.....well when someone kicks your ass for being stupid and figthing a stone age war in the modern would.....you deserve it.....

as for the propotionate response argument.....what is an appropriate response for someone trying to kill you......it is to kill them....if you have better weapons....tough shit....they should have thought of that before they tried to kill you.....as they say never bring a knife to a gun fight.....

Manu, thought you'd get a kick out of this:

http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/65338/

There are links at site...


ANUARY 4, 2009
BUT I THINK MORE OF HIM: The president-elect’s silence on the Gaza crisis is undermining his reputation in the Middle East. People want him to condemn Israel — well, some people do — but he hasn’t. And Israel’s just playing by Chicago rules: “They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That’s the Chicago way!” And he hasn’t been silent — he’s made himself clear.

[namvet]

Manu, thought you'd get a kick out of this:

http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/65338/

There are links at site...

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:laugh2::laugh2:

[moon]

Hamas are considering dropping leaflets over Israel warning Israelis that their homes are targeted. They might also 'phone Israelis in advance.

[Mr. P]

Hamas are considering dropping leaflets over Israel warning Israelis that their homes are targeted. They might also 'phone Israelis in advance.

And if frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their ass.

Have I told you today "YOU'RE AND IDIOT"?