Zionist scammer hits Zionists

[moon]

Hadassah Women: We lost $90 million in Madoff's Wall Street scam


Hadassah, the Women's Zionist Organization of America, said Thursday that it has lost $90 million it invested with Bernard Madoff, the Wall Street investment manager who recently admitted to a years-long fraud scam totaling some $50 billion.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1047867.html

Well then, every cloud has a silver lining. $90 million dollars buys a lot of squatters on Palestinian real estate and the armoured bulldozers to clear it with.

What were Madoff's Congressional connections ? How many Washington Zionists were aware of what he was up to and how many are still scamming the American public ? How many are the recipients of 'bailout' cash taken straight from the US taxpayer under obscure and scurrilous circumstances ?
The shredders are running hot.

Duck. Yes, you. Incoming shoe.

[Nukeman]

Well then, every cloud has a silver lining. $90 million dollars buys a lot of squatters on Palestinian real estate and the armoured bulldozers to clear it with.

What were Madoff's Congressional connections ? How many Washington Zionists were aware of what he was up to and how many are still scamming the American public ? How many are the recipients of 'bailout' cash taken straight from the US taxpayer under obscure and scurrilous circumstances ?
The shredders are running hot.

Duck. Yes, you. Incoming shoe.
Care to prove that Madoff was a "zionist" since you make a distinction between Jews and Zionist.....

I am so glad that your happy people lost money due to a crooked scheme. I will assume that you lost nothing since you probably have NO dealings with Jews at all.....

[moon]

Care to prove that Madoff was a "zionist" since you make a distinction between Jews and Zionist.....

Absolute proof is seldom attainable. Suffice to say that Madoff was treasurer to two major Zionist organisations and a major financial contributor to Zionist groups. All those groups aided and abetted Zionism in its brutal and illegal assaults on the Palestinian people.



I am so glad that your happy people lost money due to a crooked scheme. I will assume that you lost nothing since you probably have NO dealings with Jews at all.....

I'm certainly glad that there will be less money to aid and abet the illegal assaults on the Palestinian people. It's a stain on America's character. Any sane person should feel the same. My contempt for those who do aid and abet Zionism extends to all of them, no matter what their religion or nationality.

[moon]

Hadassah's Zionist credentials are a roadblock at United Nations

By Julie Wiener

Although it has been nearly a decade since the
United Nations repealed its "Zionism Is Racism" resolution, Jewish
nationalism apparently still sparks debate in the international body.

Citing concerns about its Zionist ties, representatives of Lebanon and
other Arab countries are putting up roadblocks against the largest Jewish
women's organization in the United States in its efforts to achieve greater
involvement in the U.N.'s humanitarian work.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-79384549.html

You should be asking yourself why Zionism was resolved to be 'racist' in the first place and what aspects of this apparently benign organisation are reviled by anti-Zionists everywhere.

[moon]

Is Hadassah directly involved with assisting illegal settlement activity and should therefore be held responsible for the carnage that such activity creates ? Apparently, yes;


"US Charitable Contributions, Illegal Settlements, and Suicide Terrorism"

Grant Smith



The year 2005 has been remarkable for the number of insights that have become public through focused research projects. New estimates place financial flows for illegal settlement construction in occupied Palestinian territories at US $50-60 billion. A stunning report, published by a fearless Israeli prosecutor, Talia Sasson, sheds new light on rampant, settlement expansion coordinated by the World Zionist Organization, Israeli government funding, and management by US tax exempt corporations. The prosecution of Washington DC Lobbyist Jack Abramoff for diversion of Indian casino lobbying money to purchase arms for illegal settlers, revealed a new aspect of US Tax Exempt charitable organizations that conceal activity from the IRS in their transfer of money and arms.

All of this has consequences for the United States. As we’ll see when we review Professor Robert Pape’s groundbreaking study of role occupation plays as the leading cause of suicide terrorism. In the time allotted, I will draw some conclusions about how these affect US interests, and why US law enforcement agencies need to confront these problems.


http://www.irmep.org/11212005.htm


...the World Zionist Organization, or WZO, which was involved in allotment of lands, construction finance, and seizure of Palestinian property or private lands, all of which fall outside of its legal mandate.


.....The Zionist Congress is the supreme institution of the World Zionist Organization and highest legislative authority. According to its website, its voting and associate organizations meet at least once every four years to vote on candidates and WZO institutions. The United States sends 29% of the delegates to this Congress of a maximum of 500 delegates, making the US second in importance only to Israel, with 38% of delegates.

Included in the key WZO US organizations identified by “The Forward” are US division of B’nai B’rith International and Hadassah, the Women’s Zionist organization, among others.


.... Hadassah, women's Zionist organization of the United States founded (1912) by Henrietta Szold. It has done important work in Israel in medical service, child welfare, and aid to refugees. Hadassah provides major support for the medical school of Hebrew Univ. and most of the budget for Youth Aliyah, the organization that transports children and youths to Israel and supports them there. Hadassah's principal activities in the United States are educational and charitable work.

But again, according to the Sasson Report, there is no getting around the fact that both are also directly tied through WZO to the settlement division which has broken numerous Israeli and International laws in the pursuit of vast settlement building across the West Bank.

And that's why Hadassah having $90 million fewer dollars to spend should be a source of relief for everybody. Well, all except Zionists, that is.

[crin63]

Hey Johnny one note there are no illegal assaults on palestinian people because there are no palestinians, only arabs who found a political tool to try and destroy Jews. The so called palestinians are the dregs of society from the other arab countries. Even the other arab countries don't want them because they are just the welfare class of arab society.

[moon]

Go right ahead and demonstrate the absence of Palestinians. You have the floor.

[Little-Acorn]

Absolute proof is seldom attainable.
Nor, in moonie's case, is it necessary. Madoff was Jewish (correct? I don't actually know), and that's all that people like moonie see, or care about. They couch their language in terms like "unfair" or "inequitable", etc., but somehow in moonie's world all the unfairness comes solely from Jewish people somehow. He trusts we're not smart enough to notice that, and hopes we'll mistake him for an honest person rather than an anti-Jewish bigot.


How about it, moonie? Gotten any hearty endorsements yet, for your agenda of annihilating the Jews, destroying Israel, and driving them all into the sea? Or is everybody still giving you the cold shoulder you got in your other thread? Too bad, so sad... no converts yet, eh? :lol:

[moon]

Madoff is almost certainly a Zionist and was certainly a major supporter of Zionist organisations. Any perfunctory search will verify that. Still, it's best to avoid absolutes.

I'll say again, for the record, I haven't once mentioned pushing anybody into the sea or annihilating anybody either. On the other hand , you've mentioned it five times already. Your little horn must still be aching.

Little-acorn;

an anti-Jewish bigot

Your anti-Islamic raving is totally without foundation.

While we're waiting for crin64 to demonstrate an absence of Palestinians perhaps you'd like to amuse us with a couple of choruses of Hava Nagila in lieu of any attempt to address the topic ?

[Little-Acorn]

Your anti-Islamic raving is totally without foundation.

I haven't mentioned Islam or Islamics.

But when I mentioned your anti-Jewish sentiments, it's remarkable how quickly YOU identified them with Islamics, and concluded that I had to be doing the same.

It's a real bitch trying to conceal your thoughts, isn't it, and pretend you're not just another anti-Jewish bigot? Your cover is getting more and more threadbare. Even, apparently, to you.

Hee, like shooting fish in a barrel..... :lol:

[moon]

If you feel able to tag people as 'anti-jewish' without a shred of evidence then you must expect suitable tags to be adhered to your anti-Islamic ravings.
Now then you wouldn't care to address the topic, I guess ? Maybe some Hava Nagila ? Some 'pushing into the sea' songs ?

[crin63]

While we're waiting for crin64 to demonstrate an absence of Palestinians perhaps you'd like to amuse us with a couple of choruses of Hava Nagila in lieu of any attempt to address the topic ?

Johnny, we already discussed it in your other anti-Jew thread. If wasn't for the compassion of the Jews the so-called palestinians would have no place to live.

Here I go again starting to get unpleasant again. Maybe I should just stay away from this topic.

[Hobbit]

Before the modern state of Israel, the area of land now called "Palestine" was a part of Jordan, and nobody in the entire Middle East, including the Jordanians, gave half a flip about the place until they found out it was going to be run by, holy crap, TEH JOOS! Before that, it was Ottoman owned, and before that, it had passed through the hands of the Byzantines, the Timurids, the Turks, the Romans, the Seleucids, the Babylonians, the Persians, and countless '-ites.' Before that, it was owned by the Hebrews, who took the land from the Canaanites, who were almost completely exterminated and have no relation to modern day 'Palestinians.' Also, this is the only ancient genocide anybody seems to give a crap about, seeing as how the Japanese wiped out all of the hairy mountain people and the Romans wiped out the Etruscans far more completely than the Hebrews wiped out the Canaanites. The only connection at all is that, during the time of the Judges and during King Saul's reign, Gaza was controlled by the Philistines, which have a name that sounds eerily similar to the Arab word for Palestine. However, the two have no connection.

There is no such thing as an ancestral Palestinian. That distinction did not exist until the Jews moved in. Even the name 'Palestine' is a name given to the region by the British Empire.

[avatar4321]

Madoff is almost certainly a Zionist and was certainly a major supporter of Zionist organisations. Any perfunctory search will verify that. Still, it's best to avoid absolutes.

I'll say again, for the record, I haven't once mentioned pushing anybody into the sea or annihilating anybody either. On the other hand , you've mentioned it five times already. Your little horn must still be aching.

Little-acorn;


Your anti-Islamic raving is totally without foundation.

While we're waiting for crin64 to demonstrate an absence of Palestinians perhaps you'd like to amuse us with a couple of choruses of Hava Nagila in lieu of any attempt to address the topic ?

I havent seen anyone produceany anti-Islamic raving. However, if there was I think there is a legitimate foundation. Its the fact that muslims flew planes into the world trade center. We have been attack by Muslims. So it seems natural that when a certain group of people wants you dead, that you might not be a fan.

However, unlike your rabid jew hate, I dont see anyone randomly picking on someone just because their Muslim.

[avatar4321]

If you feel able to tag people as 'anti-jewish' without a shred of evidence then you must expect suitable tags to be adhered to your anti-Islamic ravings.
Now then you wouldn't care to address the topic, I guess ? Maybe some Hava Nagila ? Some 'pushing into the sea' songs ?

Do you know what evidence is? Im kind of skeptical because you just started a thread attacking jews. You are openly announcing your hate for jews. The very existence of this thread demonstrates your anti jewishn disposition.

[moon]

Hobbit;

Before the modern state of Israel, the area of land now called "Palestine" was a part of Jordan, and nobody in the entire Middle East, including the Jordanians, gave half a flip about the place until they found out it was going to be run by, holy crap, TEH JOOS! Before that, it was Ottoman owned, and before that, it had passed through the hands of the Byzantines, the Timurids, the Turks, the Romans, the Seleucids, the Babylonians, the Persians, and countless '-ites.' Before that, it was owned by the Hebrews, who took the land from the Canaanites, who were almost completely exterminated and have no relation to modern day 'Palestinians.' Also, this is the only ancient genocide anybody seems to give a crap about, seeing as how the Japanese wiped out all of the hairy mountain people and the Romans wiped out the Etruscans far more completely than the Hebrews wiped out the Canaanites. The only connection at all is that, during the time of the Judges and during King Saul's reign, Gaza was controlled by the Philistines, which have a name that sounds eerily similar to the Arab word for Palestine. However, the two have no connection.

There is no such thing as an ancestral Palestinian. That distinction did not exist until the Jews moved in. Even the name 'Palestine' is a name given to the region by the British Empire.

Full marks for dressing up this heap of misinformative horseshit as fact. Here are some actual facts for you to chew on during your next screening of The Return of the Fink.

There have been people living in the region known as Palestine since the Paleolithic. Archeologists might have to lay a bone across a thick skull or two to emphasize that truth but it's truth, nonetheless, and truth is an important element albeit absent from the ripe Hobbit dung, above. These people became known as Semites and they are the original and indigenous inhabitants. They still exist today and have a genetic profile which ties them to the region as Semitic peoples.
The specifics of human social development which caused the appearance of different religions amongst Semitic peoples might be vague but suffice to say that religions did arise and that various groups of these Paleolithic and Neolithic people adopted them. It might come as a blinding flash of realization to student hobbits, and other creatures seeking after truth, that the people who adopted these different religions were from the same stock,that is, Semitic stock. That is why we have different groups of Semitic people today who follow different religions and have cultural differences which lead to ethnic distinction.
In the light of these proven and ( now) obvious truths it must seem totally moronic to claim that one group of Semites, who might be jews or muslims today, occupied one specific tract of territory before another. They are, in fact, the same people. Semites. Whether one group is ethnically 'arab' and another is ethnically 'jewish' makes no difference as the argument itself is hogwash.
Note also that the prefix Pale- qualifies the term Palestine. Anybody claiming that our ancestors never used the term 'Old Land' , and thus 'Palestine' never existed, would lose to a simian at chess.
Besides being factually discredited, Hobbit's poo pile doesn't take account of the legalities of the modern situation. Who was who and when and where have no bearing after the international law, which cancelled out all previous claims to Palestine, came into effect along with the creation of the United Nations in 1947. When we are talking about the 'dispute' over Palestinian territory we are talking in terms of international law, not some dubious parchment derived from the failing memory of a Middle Earth scribe. It is a modern dispute, and the weapons ranged on either side are modern weapons backed by the funds created by modern industries who seek to enrich themselves by means of territory, strategic and/or mineral.
So it doesn't matter a toss whether the Semites in question are arab Semites or their jewish Semitic brethren. They are simple pawns anyway, to the industrial moguls who fuck up all our lives on a daily basis.

Avatar4321;

Do you know what evidence is? Im kind of skeptical because you just started a thread attacking jews. You are openly announcing your hate for jews. The very existence of this thread demonstrates your anti jewishn disposition.

'Zionist' and 'jew' are not synonymous. Many jews revile Zionism. Zionism is a political doctrine, Judaism is a religion.
Try massaging your head.

[Psychoblues]

You never answered my question in the other thread, moonie.

Do you have any interests or activities beyond condemning Israel?

Could I offer you an olive based beverage?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!? How about a shaken (not stirred) martini?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?

:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

[moon]

'Zionism' and 'Israel' are not synonymous. However, I'm starting to have my doubts about 'psychoblues' and 'horseshit'

[Psychoblues]

I could swear that you are indeed "horseshit", moonie.



'Zionism' and 'Israel' are not synonymous. However, I'm starting to have my doubts about 'psychoblues' and 'horseshit'

And am certain that you have nothing to do with Psychoblues or what he is all about, don't you know?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!??!

:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

[moon]

Could I offer you an olive based beverage?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!? How about a shaken (not stirred) martini?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?


If you can't make the topic, go scratch your olives.

[Psychoblues]

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:


Go scratch your olives.

You're such a weak one, moonie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

[Psychoblues]

Hey,,,,,,Don't give me a hard time, assholes!!!!!!!!!! At least I got his dumb ass to modify his focus from the Jews to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

[moon]

Again, for the cerebrally challenged, you won't find any anti-jewish sentiments in anything I post. The simple reason is that I'm not anti-jewish.

Try massaging your head a little more vigorously.

[Nukeman]

Again, for the cerebrally challenged, you won't find any anti-jewish sentiments in anything I post. The simple reason is that I'm not anti-jewish.

Try massaging your head a little more vigorously.Are ALL zionist Jews?????

[moon]

Nukeman;

Are ALL zionist Jews?????


I'll take that as a genuine question .

Of course not. The christian Zionist groups are an even worse pain in the ass than the jewish ones. Take a look at this schmuck, as an example;

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0707/csmimg/p15b.jpg

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0707/p15s01-lire.html


Christian Zionists, an Evangelical subset whose ranks are estimated at 20 million in the US, have in the past two decades poured millions of dollars of donations into Israel, formed a tight alliance with the Likud and other Israeli politicians seeking an expanded "Greater Israel," and mobilized grass-roots efforts to get the US to adopt a similar policy.

While the US policy currently reflects international law, in that the settlements are illegal and must be halted and erased, these bozos are setting up new squats left, right and centre and getting away with it.

Bear in mind that Olmert has just announced that he is of the opinion that the 'dream of a Greater Israel' is over. One would expect that those promoting illegal squats would now cease and desist. Not these dudes. They're looking forward to Arma-fricken-geddon.


Outgoing Prime Minister Ehud Olmert announced the dream of a "Greater Israel" was over this month—a day after settlers raided the Palestinian village of Assira Qabaliya, in the northern West Bank, causing extensive damage and wounding several people, in what was a reprisal attack. Police said an investigation was launched, but no arrests made.

http://www.inteldaily.com/news/148/ARTICLE/8321/2008-09-30.html

[Hobbit]

Hobbit;


Full marks for dressing up this heap of misinformative horseshit as fact. Here are some actual facts for you to chew on during your next screening of The Return of the Fink.

There have been people living in the region known as Palestine since the Paleolithic. Archeologists might have to lay a bone across a thick skull or two to emphasize that truth but it's truth, nonetheless, and truth is an important element albeit absent from the ripe Hobbit dung, above. These people became known as Semites and they are the original and indigenous inhabitants. They still exist today and have a genetic profile which ties them to the region as Semitic peoples.
The specifics of human social development which caused the appearance of different religions amongst Semitic peoples might be vague but suffice to say that religions did arise and that various groups of these Paleolithic and Neolithic people adopted them. It might come as a blinding flash of realization to student hobbits, and other creatures seeking after truth, that the people who adopted these different religions were from the same stock,that is, Semitic stock. That is why we have different groups of Semitic people today who follow different religions and have cultural differences which lead to ethnic distinction.
In the light of these proven and ( now) obvious truths it must seem totally moronic to claim that one group of Semites, who might be jews or muslims today, occupied one specific tract of territory before another. They are, in fact, the same people. Semites. Whether one group is ethnically 'arab' and another is ethnically 'jewish' makes no difference as the argument itself is hogwash.
Note also that the prefix Pale- qualifies the term Palestine. Anybody claiming that our ancestors never used the term 'Old Land' , and thus 'Palestine' never existed, would lose to a simian at chess.
Besides being factually discredited, Hobbit's poo pile doesn't take account of the legalities of the modern situation. Who was who and when and where have no bearing after the international law, which cancelled out all previous claims to Palestine, came into effect along with the creation of the United Nations in 1947. When we are talking about the 'dispute' over Palestinian territory we are talking in terms of international law, not some dubious parchment derived from the failing memory of a Middle Earth scribe. It is a modern dispute, and the weapons ranged on either side are modern weapons backed by the funds created by modern industries who seek to enrich themselves by means of territory, strategic and/or mineral.
So it doesn't matter a toss whether the Semites in question are arab Semites or their jewish Semitic brethren. They are simple pawns anyway, to the industrial moguls who fuck up all our lives on a daily basis.

Avatar4321;


'Zionist' and 'jew' are not synonymous. Many jews revile Zionism. Zionism is a political doctrine, Judaism is a religion.
Try massaging your head.

Awwww, did I strike a nerve? That post about Semites was nothing but a huge diversion away from the fact that you have no f-ing clue what you're talking about. The so-called 'Palestinians' are primarily descended from the Jordanians and Arabs and migrated into Judea during the Roman Empire and later the Islamic Caliphate. Yeah, they're all Semites, but claiming that 'Palestinians' are somehow distinct and deserving of the land they a) were given in the first place, but used to launch attacks on Israel, b) have ravaged anytime they get their hands on it and c) have committed terrorist acts on anytime they can find an excuse is asinine. The oldest race of people who ever lived on that land is the Jews, and contrary to popular belief, an Arab living in Israel enjoys more rights and privileges than...you thought I was going to say a Jew in any other Middle Eastern country, didn't you, but no. An Arab living in Israel has more rights and privileges than an Arab living in any other Middle Eastern country. The conflict is not about some civil rights issue or ancestral land. The entire conflict is about hating Jews.

[moon]

Hobbit;

Yeah, they're all Semites, but claiming that 'Palestinians' are somehow distinct and deserving of the land they a) were given in the first place, but used to launch attacks on Israel, b) have ravaged anytime they get their hands on it and c) have committed terrorist acts on anytime they can find an excuse is asinine

Let's ignore the bulk of the Hobbit poo and concentrate on this pile.

The Palestinians are Semites, as you concur. The Semites are the indigenous people, nobody can deny. Ergo, the Palestinians are the indigenous people.

Of course, some of those indigenous people occupying the Old Land were jewish. Proven history. It is immaterial that the jewish tribes were 'wandering' tribes, peripatetic inhabitants like the Bedouin, because such was the nature of many of the Semitic tribes. They still qualify as 'inhabitants' even without permanent villages, roads or take-away bagel bars. Shove your elfin time-boat's accelerator down and enter the 20th century and you'll find Palestine still occupied by Semites, nomadic and settled, some of whom were arab Palestinians and some of whom were jewish Palestinians. That's right, the inhabitants of Palestine under the British Mandate , all termed 'Palestinians' by their British overlords, were both arab and jew. The staggeringly stupid act of dividing Palestine into 'arab' and 'jewish' Palestinians came as a result of the alien migrants pouring into Palestine from the wreckage of Europe, post WW2. Zionism, as everybody now knows, divided and slaughtered, as it still does.

[moon]

Was this tide of non-indigenous 'jewish' migrants resented by the existing arab-Palestinian populations ? Of course it was, and also by all of the neighboring countries who voted against partitioning Palestine at the newly-formed United Nations. Nevertheless, the UN decided, by majority, that the country should be split, with tiny far-flung and obscure Member States having the same say as , for example, Egypt, Jordan or Syria. A pathetic beginning by the UN, but the world was in chaos and Zionism took advantage of that to curry support. So, the UN created the possibility of an 'Israel' and it is the international laws maintained and devised by the UN which supports an 'Israel' today, not some half-assed biblical jollop concocted at an Ent-moot by rabbis and hobbits.

That same international law, mind, acts to maintain the arab territory of Palestine and recognises it as being Occupied Palestinian Territory. Anybody doubting this fact can find the term 'OPT' in numerous UN Resolutions which have been ignored by the Zionists, those very same Zionists who curried support for recognition under international law. The hypocrisy of respecting international law when it suits you and ignoring it when it doesn't is part of the 'Israeli' character BUT that's a double-edged sword which the arab Palestinians have learned to wield rather well themselves, in the face of neglect on the part of the world community to mend the terrible wrong that they inflicted upon Palestine in 1947. Still, that same world community recognises the illegality of the Zionist squats in arab territories , names them as illegal and demands that they are erased. Thus it is that one sicko Zionist, Madoff, diverting $90 million from the coffers of an illegal squat-supporting Zionist organisation, Hadassah, rumbles around the world as an ironic yet welcome event. It is illegal to support the illegal settlements, as every American Congressman, Senator and President is well aware.

How many illegal squat-supporting Congressmen and Senators had money in Madoff's pyramid ? Were they the initial collaborators who got paid off as others joined ? The investigations are just starting.

[Little-Acorn]

Still at it, I see. How's it going, moonie? Gotten any hearty endorsements yet, for your agenda of annihilating the Jews, destroying Israel, and driving them all into the sea? Or is everybody still giving you the cold shoulder you got in your other thread? Too bad, so sad... no converts yet, eh?
:lol:

[moon]

little-acorn;

Still at it, I see. How's it going, moonie? Gotten any hearty endorsements yet, for your agenda of annihilating the Jews, destroying Israel, and driving them all into the sea? Or is everybody still giving you the cold shoulder you got in your other thread? Too bad, so sad... no converts yet, eh?

That's the manifestation of your inability to offer any excuse for the brutal excesses of Zionism.
There are no excuses. Your repetitive anti-Islamism sounds like it's generated by a Zionbot.

Where was I ? Oh, yes;

moon;

How many illegal squat-supporting Congressmen and Senators had money in Madoff's pyramid ? Were they the initial collaborators who got paid off as others joined ? The investigations are just starting.

It's just a matter of time before the Israel Lobby starts to complain about investigations on the grounds that such investigations are designed to 'push the jews into the sea' .

[moon]

Here they go then;


The alleged $50 billion fraud by Wall Street financier Bernard Madoff has prompted an outpouring of anti-Semitic comments on mainstream and extremist Web sites, the Anti-Defamation League said on Saturday.

http://zionism-israel.com/israel_news/2008/12/anti-semitic-madness-about-mad-madoff.html



People wondering why anybody complaining about Zionists such as Madoff, or Zionist organisations such as Hadassah, contributing to , and supporting illegal settlements should understand that they are on the wrong side of international law;


• Resolution 452: calls on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories.
• Resolution 465: deplores Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program.


Whether UN Resolutions are 'binding' or not should not detract from the fact that such Resolutions echo international agreements under the Geneva Conventions, which are binding upon all signatory States, including Israel and the US.

[Little-Acorn]

That's the manifestation of your inability to offer any excuse for the brutal excesses of Zionism.
In other words, you haven't been able to persuade anyone yet into your anti-Israel agenda, eh?

BTW, I still haven't mentioned Islam in any way. You're the only one who immediately linked the annihiliation of Israel, with an Islamic agenda. I guess you'd know.


It's just a matter of time before the Israel Lobby starts to complain about investigations on the grounds that such investigations are designed to 'push the jews into the sea' .

Nope, the Israelis haven't worried about "investigations" being designed to push them into the sea.

They worry about rocket attacks on their houses and schools, suicide bombings of their stores, buses, and weddings, and four complete national invasions within living memory by every Arabic country under the sun, as being designed to annihilate them and push them into the sea.

They just view the investigations, as a pretty good indicator of where the next attacks and invasions will come from. And so far they've been right.

[actsnoblemartin]

your turning into a one trick pony.

Talk about something else as well.

or did you only come here to diss jews

and so-called zionists

zionists are jews that wanted a homeland, and got one after (finally) the world saw the jews nearly vanquish at the hands of the nazi's and you and others still fail to see that had the jews had a homeland in the 1940's, the holocaust would never have happened.

anti-zionist is anti jewish is anti semetic

1948

600,000 jews

120,000 arabs

0 palestinians


Well then, every cloud has a silver lining. $90 million dollars buys a lot of squatters on Palestinian real estate and the armoured bulldozers to clear it with.

What were Madoff's Congressional connections ? How many Washington Zionists were aware of what he was up to and how many are still scamming the American public ? How many are the recipients of 'bailout' cash taken straight from the US taxpayer under obscure and scurrilous circumstances ?
The shredders are running hot.

Duck. Yes, you. Incoming shoe.

[moon]

Little-acorn;

In other words, you haven't been able to persuade anyone yet into your anti-Israel agenda, eh?

It's imagined , unlike your agenda of annihilating muslims and repealing the First Amendment.


actsnoblemartin;

anti-zionist is anti jewish is anti semetic

False. 'Jewish' and 'Zionist' are not synonymous. One is an ancient religion, the other a modern political doctrine.

Read about it before you strain your lip.

http://www.nkusa.org/images/flag-ani.gif

http://www.nkusa.org/
Jews United against Zionism

[manu1959]

why do you begrudge a nation wanting to exist....

[emmett]

Okay....... I see the subject so much more clearly now!

[actsnoblemartin]

lets go back, its 1946, 6 million jews have been murdered, they have an historic homeland, and nobody else wants them

where do you want or expect them to go moon.

back to europe?

and youre not responding to the fact that if a homeland for the jews had existed , no holocaust would ever have happened.

second, zionism is simply jews wanting to return to their historic homeland.

20% of israels population is jewish.

not every jew is thrilled with the settlements, i myself have mixed feelings about it.

so, how can you be against a homeland for the jews.

doesnt everyone deserve a homeland?

even the arabs of ancient israel/palestine, if they could get their act together, deserve a homeland


Little-acorn;


It's imagined , unlike your agenda of annihilating muslims and repealing the First Amendment.


actsnoblemartin;


False. 'Jewish' and 'Zionist' are not synonymous. One is an ancient religion, the other a modern political doctrine.

Read about it before you strain your lip.

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[moon]

actsnoblemartin;

so, how can you be against a homeland for the jews.

People can't go around setting up 'homelands' by driving out the existing population. It's against international law. It's against any acceptable principal of civilized morality as well, let alone any spiritual aspect of Judaism.


second, zionism is simply jews wanting to return to their historic homeland.

No, that's Zionist propaganda. Zionism wants to remove Palestinians by 'brutal compulsion' to form an exclusively jewish State. That's apartheid. It's also racism and it's also fascism. You clearly don't understand what nationalist Zionism is. You think it's social Zionism, and it's not.

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[moon]

manu1959;

why do you begrudge a nation wanting to exist....

You don't understand the principals of the conflict. Why would you begrudge the victims of Pol Pot establishing an exclusively buddhist State in California by driving out Californians ? They are victims, after all, and there are already buddhist enclaves in California. Why would you object ?

Then, when the expansionist activities of migrating buddhists from all over the world are declared illegal under international law, why would you not feel a sense of relief when the financial backers of these migrants suffer a setback, as has happened to financial backers of the illegal aspects of Zionism in Palestine through the Madoff affair ?

[avatar4321]

manu1959;


You don't understand the principals of the conflict. Why would you begrudge the victims of Pol Pot establishing an exclusively buddhist State in California by driving out Californians ? They are victims, after all, and there are already buddhist enclaves in California. Why would you object ?

Then, when the expansionist activities of migrating buddhists from all over the world are declared illegal under international law, why would you not feel a sense of relief when the financial backers of these migrants suffer a setback, as has happened to financial backers of the illegal aspects of Zionism in Palestine through the Madoff affair ?

Several problems with your analogy:

1)When was California the Buddhist homeland?
2)A Buddhist state in California would probably improve the area since there are about a psychos running the show now.
3)The jews were returned to their home land by the UN. Kind of hard to violae international law when international law created it.
4)Arabs are given more rights in this "exclusively jewish" state than they are the neighboring exclusively arab states.
5)There is no evidence that Madoff financially backed any immigration to Israel.
6)You're an idiot.
7)Buddhists in California do have the right to govern themselves. Much like anyone else does.

[manu1959]

manu1959;


You don't understand the principals of the conflict. Why would you begrudge the victims of Pol Pot establishing an exclusively buddhist State in California by driving out Californians ? They are victims, after all, and there are already buddhist enclaves in California. Why would you object ?

Then, when the expansionist activities of migrating buddhists from all over the world are declared illegal under international law, why would you not feel a sense of relief when the financial backers of these migrants suffer a setback, as has happened to financial backers of the illegal aspects of Zionism in Palestine through the Madoff affair ?


the rules of war are if you can take it and hold it ..... it is yours ..... it is how all nations have come to exist ....

[No1tovote4]

Every time I see the title I wonder who Zionist Scammers are supposed to hit other than Zionists?

I mean, if you scam Zionists for a living, wouldn't your target be Zionists by definition?

[actsnoblemartin]

but my friend, thats not what happened.

yes, their were arabs living in ancient israel and ancient palestine, but the arabs never owned the land. Certain homes yes, but the overall land, the government itself no.

in 1916, the balfour document did say, the jews may have a homeland here, and who owned the land at the time, the brits, before that the ottoman empire, palestinians never owned the land, in terms of running the country.

Plus, while some palistinians may have been forced from their homes, most left voluntarily either by palestinian decree (leave your homes, and when we win, you can come back) or by fear of the war, they launched on the jews.

in 1948, the brits who owned the land said, ok, here is what were gonna do, jews you can have this part of palestine, and arabs (palestinians) you can have this.

youre honestly telling me, the jews have no historical or legal claim to any of the land?

which is not to say the palestinians have 0 claim to the land, it's asking you to be honest about the fact that jews (ALSO) besides christians too have an historical and legal claim too it.

i await your thoughts


actsnoblemartin;


People can't go around setting up 'homelands' by driving out the existing population. It's against international law. It's against any acceptable principal of civilized morality as well, let alone any spiritual aspect of Judaism.



No, that's Zionist propaganda. Zionism wants to remove Palestinians by 'brutal compulsion' to form an exclusively jewish State. That's apartheid. It's also racism and it's also fascism. You clearly don't understand what nationalist Zionism is. You think it's social Zionism, and it's not.

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http://www.nkusa.org/
Jews United against Zionism

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[actsnoblemartin]

except for #6, where i think HE (moon is wrong), i agree with you 100%


Several problems with your analogy:

1)When was California the Buddhist homeland?
2)A Buddhist state in California would probably improve the area since there are about a psychos running the show now.
3)The jews were returned to their home land by the UN. Kind of hard to violae international law when international law created it.
4)Arabs are given more rights in this "exclusively jewish" state than they are the neighboring exclusively arab states.
5)There is no evidence that Madoff financially backed any immigration to Israel.
6)You're an idiot.
7)Buddhists in California do have the right to govern themselves. Much like anyone else does.

[actsnoblemartin]

their are 57 no, 58 exclusively arab states, with few if any non arab or non muslims.

now, if their are 5 million jews and 5 million muslims in israel the arab population by virtue of more births will overtake the jewish state and it will be the 59th arab state.

so youre argument does not hold water my friend

it is the palestinians, (not the israelies) holding you back from a state with the teach your children (how to kill) well, and the racism of jews are pigs, and christians are monkeys or whatever it is they are teaching now.

and for the record, i dont believe all muslims or arabs are bad people, I believe children are taught to hate, and in every religion/race/gender/ their are scum and ... and... nice people.


actsnoblemartin;


People can't go around setting up 'homelands' by driving out the existing population. It's against international law. It's against any acceptable principal of civilized morality as well, let alone any spiritual aspect of Judaism.



No, that's Zionist propaganda. Zionism wants to remove Palestinians by 'brutal compulsion' to form an exclusively jewish State. That's apartheid. It's also racism and it's also fascism. You clearly don't understand what nationalist Zionism is. You think it's social Zionism, and it's not.

http://www.nkusa.org/images/flag-ani.gif

http://www.nkusa.org/
Jews United against Zionism

http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Demonstrations/20080825/1-P1000968.jpg

[moon]

manu1959;

the rules of war are if you can take it and hold it ..... it is yours ..... it is how all nations have come to exist ....

I'm afraid not, old boy. That sort of colonialist hogwash went out with the British Empire, circa 1947. The United Nations was the dawn of a new era. And its only six decades old.

[moon]

No1tovote4;

Every time I see the title I wonder who Zionist Scammers are supposed to hit other than Zionists?

I mean, if you scam Zionists for a living, wouldn't your target be Zionists by definition?

If the thread title was ' Scammer of Zionists hits Zionists ' then you might have a point of discussion. Who with exactly would be a matter for conjecture. As it is, the thread title identifies the scammer as a Zionist , so what point your observation made is in dire need . How about just skipping the resuscitation and letting it fade into obscurity ?

[Yurt]

manu1959;


I'm afraid not, old boy. That sort of colonialist hogwash went out with the British Empire, circa 1947. The United Nations was the dawn of a new era. And its only six decades old.

:lol:

then the arab muslims better give back all that land they stole during war

[actsnoblemartin]

for curiosity sake, may i ask your age, and what country you are out of.

I make no bones that i'm a jew out of the u.s. (san diego to be exact and 28)

I have no hidden agenda, just curious


No1tovote4;


If the thread title was ' Scammer of Zionists hits Zionists ' then you might have a point of discussion. Who with exactly would be a matter for conjecture. As it is, the thread title identifies the scammer as a Zionist , so what point your observation made is in dire need . How about just skipping the resuscitation and letting it fade into obscurity ?

[moon]

Yurt;

then the arab muslims better give back all that land they stole during war

That's the first thing of any worth that you've uttered. Unfortunately for your bigoted and distorted perspective 'arab muslims' haven't stolen any land , post United Nations, whereas the Zionists most certainly have.
Law's a bitch, ain't it Yurt. Just ignore it, like your Zionist bedfellows.

[manu1959]

manu1959;


I'm afraid not, old boy. That sort of colonialist hogwash went out with the British Empire, circa 1947. The United Nations was the dawn of a new era. And its only six decades old.

really .... explain the break up of czechoslovakia, yugoslavia and the soviet union and the creation of nations then .... not to mention half a dozen african nations created since wwii ... if you want the land israel has so bad take it from them .... because they ain't giving it back .....

[actsnoblemartin]

not to mention islamic expansion, after mohammed's death

I suggest you read about the battle of tours when charles d martel stopped the muslims from stealing europe.

in 25 years, they nearly stole the whole world.

they stole, turkey, syria, and many more


really .... explain the break up of czechoslovakia, yugoslavia and the soviet union and the creation of nations then .... not to mention half a dozen african nations created since wwii ... if you want the land israel has so bad take it from them .... because they ain't giving it back .....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests

[manu1959]

not to mention islamic expansion, after mohammed's death

I suggest you read about the battle of tours when charles d martel stopped the muslims from stealing europe.

in 25 years, they nearly stole the whole world.

they stole, turkey, syria, and many more

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests

such is the nature of war ...... if you can take it and hold it ...... it is yours .... oppressive muslim regimes seem to have a hard time doing that .... if i recall the christians tried to take the middle east .... not to mention most of the free nations of the world only achieved sovereignty in the past 50 years.....

[avatar4321]

manu1959;


I'm afraid not, old boy. That sort of colonialist hogwash went out with the British Empire, circa 1947. The United Nations was the dawn of a new era. And its only six decades old.

New era? haha.

People like to think we are in new era's. But the rules are always the same. People are always people. We just have different people governing and new toys. Its still all the same.

[Yurt]

Yurt;


That's the first thing of any worth that you've uttered. Unfortunately for your bigoted and distorted perspective 'arab muslims' haven't stolen any land , post United Nations, whereas the Zionists most certainly have.
Law's a bitch, ain't it Yurt. Just ignore it, like your Zionist bedfellows.

:lol:

at least you admit they did prior to 50 years ago :laugh2:

[moon]

manu1959;

really .... explain the break up of czechoslovakia, yugoslavia and the soviet union and the creation of nations then .... not to mention half a dozen african nations created since wwii ... if you want the land israel has so bad take it from them .... because they ain't giving it back .....

Be your own researcher. You claimed that countries could steal territory by war. I told you that international law prevents that from occurring, post 1947 and the creation of the UN. All you have to do to prove me wrong is to provide an example of permanent territorial annexation by means of war since 1947.

Yes, the Zionists have to vacate all of the occupied territories according to United Nations resolutions. They have stalled for a long while, granted, and they have made lots of moolah selling stolen land to naive jews, granted, but the OPT must be vacated in order for Israel to have any long term future. You almost certainly don't believe that that future is in jeopardy, but it is. Stick around, don't be fooled by the failed armchair Zionists frequenting this place and you'll find out why.

Yurt;

at least you admit they did prior to 50 years ago

61 years ago. Admit ? You babble like I'd claimed something different. I've told you roughly what the law states and when UN members agreed to it. Consider yourself partially educated.

avatar4321;

New era? haha.

People like to think we are in new era's. But the rules are always the same. People are always people. We just have different people governing and new toys. Its still all the same.
__________________

So try and make a difference. People have to decide whether they are with international law or against it, and no cherry-picking allowed.

[avatar4321]

So try and make a difference. People have to decide whether they are with international law or against it, and no cherry-picking allowed.

Until international law is decided through acceptible means, why would you expect it to be binding? Law in and of itself is often a way to deny the reality of the world around us and feel safe. If we create laws, we can' be harmed. Reality isnt so kind.

People are just scared of their own power and lack of power in the world.

[Yurt]

seriously moon, why do you care about israel? whats it to you...

[Abbey Marie]

seriously moon, why do you care about israel? whats it to you...

Yurt, moon wouldn't even tell us the most general outline of his educational background. I doubt he will tell you anything this revealing.

[red states rule]

Moon from Maine is torn between 2 loves


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[moon]

You still there, manu1959 ? I can't see you for juvenile graphics class. Nevertheless, the challenge remains;


Be your own researcher. You claimed that countries could steal territory by war. I told you that international law prevents that from occurring, post 1947 and the creation of the UN. All you have to do to prove me wrong is to provide an example of permanent territorial annexation by means of war since 1947.

When you find that you can't provide such an example, because no such example exists, you'll be forced to accept, kicking and screaming no doubt, that the Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT), as described in numerous UN Resolutions, is actually occupied territory which is required to be vacated. The Resolutions detailing that vacation are binding upon UN Member States . Ignoring such Resolutions doesn't make for a 'plucky little Israel', it makes for a brutal, fascist and criminal regime.

[red states rule]

Moon from Maine has soome books he would like all of us to read


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[moon]

Red States Rule;

Moon from Maine has soome books he would like all of us to read

Sure, in your case a dictionary.

[red states rule]

Red States Rule;


Sure, in your case a dictionary.

and one of your all time favorites Moon from Maine


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[moon]

I'm not interested in your library.

[red states rule]

I'm not interested in your library.

More like your required reading list at the terrorist training camp

[moon]

Did you pick up your copy at the hasbara centre ?

Sorry to extend your vocabulary.