Israel Preparing to Strike Iran Without U.S. Consent

[namvet]

Israel is drawing up plans to attack Iran's nuclear facilities and is prepared to launch a strike without backing from the U.S., an Israeli newspaper reported Thursday.

Officials in the Israeli Defense Ministry told The Jerusalem Post that while they prefer to act in consultation with the U.S., they are preparing plans that would allow them to act alone.



its now obvious they have NO confidence in Osama at all !!!! flatten Iran :flameth:

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[Binky]

Who died and made America the bully on the block? I think we'd be better suited to mind our own business for a change, since we have enough problems of our own to deal with. We cannot continue to live as though we are the King Turd on the planet. Sometimes it's wise to take a back seat.

[hjmick]

Nothing says Israel needs U.S. consent for anything.

[namvet]

I agree. and they know if they notify us, the date and time of the attack will wind up front page on the NY times/post. there is NO national security in this country anymore. its a fuckin' joke. I just hope they hit on jan 20 or later.

[DragonStryk72]

"Um, yes sir, we'd uh, like to go to war against Iran"
"Why on Earth would you do that?"
"Well, you see, sir, they kind of want to wipe us from the face of the earth."
"What makes you say that?"
"Oh, well, you know, just them saying as such, and building nukes they'd like to send our way."
"Well, I don't know about all that, we'll have to think on whether or not you're allowed to do that. We'll get back to you, okay?"

Sorry, gallows humor, I know, but I figure that it was necessary to point the sheer stupidity of one country going to another for permission to go to war.

[Little-Acorn]

It's not so much U.S. consent they need, as U.S. backing.

Iran has had enough time to rebuild their armies after getting pasted in the Iran/Iraq war, that they probably have some pretty hefty ground forces by now (guessing). If Israel gets involved in a long war of attrition with Iran, they'll eventually lose.

IF, that is, Iran can get their armies to Israel. The only land route is through Iraq or Turkey. Turkey's probably not too interested in helping them invade a neighbor. But if our President-elect pulls our troops out of Iraq before the country is ready to resist Iran on their own, it won't be long before a nice, wide highway through Syria is open for business, as it once was.

Israel isn't trying to destroy Iran (they can't, for one thing). Most of the Iranian people could give two hoots about Israel, they have enough problems of their own and just want to live in peace. It's the crazy government (or governments, they don't really have a unified government in Iran, just a bunch of mullahs jostling for power) that's causing all the trouble.

Israel probably hopes for a fairly quick knockout strike to take out Iran's nuclear and/or missile facilities. Maybe aircraft with bunker-busting bombs (the US just sold them a bunch), followed by mop-up troops landing by helicopter or aircraft at the strike sites, possibly a semi-suicidal mission. But if the alternative is nuclear annihilation, they'll go.

It would be helpful if Israel could buy more ammo from the U.S., and VERY helpful if they could land at airfields in Iraq. The U.S. has built a number of them, huge things larger than most international airports with hardened concrete runways that can take any aircraft in the world (they are NOT for "temporary usage until we leave", do the math). And several of them are conveniently situated along the Iran/Iraq border... again, not by accident.

Once Obama becomes Prez, those things become a lot less likely. If Israel wants to avoid becoming Iran's nuclear-weapons test ground, they'd better do their thing SOON. They have what, five weeks? They'd be foolish not to... and the Israelis are not fools. Most of them, anyway.

Merry Christmas.

[manu1959]

It's not so much U.S. consent they need, as U.S. backing.

Iran has had enough time to rebuild their armies after getting pasted in the Iran/Iraq war, that they probably have some pretty hefty ground forces by now (guessing). If Israel gets involved in a long war of attrition with Iran, they'll eventually lose.

IF, that is, Iran can get their armies to Israel. The only land route is through Iraq or Turkey. Turkey's probably not too interested in helping them invade a neighbor. But if our President-elect pulls our troops out of Iraq before the country is ready to resist Iran on their own, it won't be long before a nice, wide highway through Syria is open for business, as it once was.

Israel isn't trying to destroy Iran (they can't, for one thing). Most of the Iranian people could give two hoots about Israel, they have enough problems of their own and just want to live in peace. It's the crazy government (or governments, they don't really have a unified government in Iran, just a bunch of mullahs jostling for power) that's causing all the trouble.

Israel probably hopes for a fairly quick knockout strike to take out Iran's nuclear and/or missile facilities. Maybe aircraft with bunker-busting bombs (the US just sold them a bunch), followed by mop-up troops landing by helicopter or aircraft at the strike sites, possibly a semi-suicidal mission. But if the alternative is nuclear annihilation, they'll go.

It would be helpful if Israel could buy more ammo from the U.S., and VERY helpful if they could land at airfields in Iraq. The U.S. has built a number of them, huge things larger than most international airports with hardened concrete runways that can take any aircraft in the world (they are NOT for "temporary usage until we leave", do the math). And several of them are conveniently situated along the Iran/Iraq border... again, not by accident.

Once Obama becomes Prez, those things become a lot less likely. If Israel wants to avoid becoming Iran's nuclear-weapons test ground, they'd better do their thing SOON. They have what, five weeks? They'd be foolish not to... and the Israelis are not fools. Most of them, anyway.

Merry Christmas.

The only land route is through Iraq or Turkey.

which is exactly why the us will have troops there for quite some time......

[Little-Acorn]

The only land route is through Iraq or Turkey.

which is exactly why the us will have troops there for quite some time......

You might want to call our President-elect and inform him of this.

I get the feeling he has other ideas.

[namvet]

It's not so much U.S. consent they need, as U.S. backing.

Iran has had enough time to rebuild their armies after getting pasted in the Iran/Iraq war, that they probably have some pretty hefty ground forces by now (guessing). If Israel gets involved in a long war of attrition with Iran, they'll eventually lose.

IF, that is, Iran can get their armies to Israel. The only land route is through Iraq or Turkey. Turkey's probably not too interested in helping them invade a neighbor. But if our President-elect pull our troops out of Iraq before the country is ready to resist Iran on their own, it won't be long before a nice, wide highway through Syria is open for business, as it once was.

Israel isn't trying to destroy Iran (they can't, for one thing). Most of the Iranian people could give two hoots about Israel, they have enough problems of their own and just want to live in peace. It's the crazy government (or governments, they don't really have a unified government in Iran, just a bunch of mullahs jostling for power) that's causing all the trouble.

Israel probably hopes for a fairly quick knockout strike to take out Iran's nuclear and/or missile facilities. Maybe aircraft with bunker-busting bombs (the US just sold them a bunch), followed by mop-up troops landing by helicopter or aircraft at the strike sites, possibly a semi-suicidal mission. But if the alternative is nuclear annihilation, they'll go.

It would be helpful if Israel could buy more ammo from the U.S., and VERY helpful if they could land at airfields in Iraq. The U.S. has built a number of them, huge things larger than most international airports with hardened concrete runways that can take any aircraft in the world (they are NOT for "temporary usage until we leave", do the math). And several of them are conveniently situated along the Iran/Iraq border... again, not by accident.

Once Obama becomes Prez, those things become a lot less likely. If Israel wants to avoid becoming Iran's nuclear-weapons test ground, they'd better do their thing SOON. They have what, five weeks? They'd be foolish not to... and the Israelis are not fools. Most of them, anyway.

Merry Christmas.

they don't need any airfields in Iraq. and what make you think their going to let a ground Army march from Iran to Israel??? that would be a turkey shoot !!!! last I heard the Iranian Army was the smallest in the world. no way they risk this. Israel will come like a thief in the night. and no I don't see Israel boots on the ground in Iran. its gonna be an air strike. Osama will have nothing to say here at all.

[namvet]

You might want to call our President-elect and inform him of this.

I get the feeling he has other ideas.

like hide under the desk????

[Little-Acorn]

they don't need any airfields in Iraq.
Last time I checked, Israel didn't have any planes that could lift the required load, fly all the way to Iran, drop the bombs, and fly all the way back without refueling. Just bombing the (above-ground) Iraq reactor some years back, they had to strip their planes right down to the bone, and Iran is twice as far. If they haven't gotten any LONG range planes since then, then they definitely need either a refueling capability (and friendly territory to refuel over), or airfields between Israel and Iran. Look at a map.


and what make you think their going to let a ground Army march from Iran to Israel??? that would be a turkey shoot !!!!
The "turkey shoot" would take place in the sovereign territory of nations that (by then) wouldn't like Israel too much, and who hadn't (yet) committed any aggressive acts agains Israel. They wouldn't be too interested in Israel's reasons for attacking the oncoming "peaceful" army. Instead, they would seize the excuse to put together a Middle East coalition and maybe, just maybe, finally polish off Israel as they have failed to do four times in the past. This is not an outcome Israel wants, so they might not do what you say.


last I heard the Iranian Army was the smallest in the world.
Link?


I don't see Israel boots on the ground in Iran. its gonna be an air strike.
Iran's nuclear facilities are deep underground in hardened bunkers, unlike Iraq's reactor was. And they are dispersed, scattered among several cities and through large areas in each city. Even with bunker busters (the ones the US sold Israel are fairly small), Israel can't be sure all facilities were hit hard enough to all be destroyed. Troops MUST go in to administer the coup de grace, or the mission will be wasted.


Osama will have nothing to say here at all.
Especially if he hasn't taken office by the time Israel launches.

[namvet]

how big (or small) is the iranian military???? as of Wed Jul 2, 2008

ARMED FORCES:

Iran has 545,000 personnel in active service. Major General Ataollah Salehi is the armed forces chief.



* ARMY: The army comprises 350,000 men, including 220,000 conscripts. The Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, viewed as the most loyal guardian of the ruling system, has another 125,000 men. In 2004 the army was organised in four corps, with four armoured divisions and six infantry divisions.

-- There are nearly 1,700 tanks including some 100 Zulfiqar locally produced main battle tanks. A large number of Iran's tanks are elderly British-made Chieftains and U.S.-made M-60s.

-- Soviet-made T-54 and T-55s, T-59s, T-62s, and T-72s were also part of the inventory, all captured from the Iraqis or acquired from North Korea and China.

-- The latest Military Balance report from the International Institute for Strategic Studies says that some of the tanks' serviceability may be in doubt.

-- There are around 640 armoured personnel carriers. There are 8,196 artillery pieces of which 2,010 are towed, and over 310 are self-propelled.



* MISSILES:

-- In a 2007 parade to mark the anniversary of 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war, Iran showed its Shahab-3 missile, saying it could travel 2,000 km (1,250 miles) -- enabling it to hit Israel and U.S. bases in the region. Another missile at the parade, the Ghadr-1, can reach targets 1,800 km (1,125 miles) away. It was believed to be the first time it has been shown publicly.



* NAVY: There are 18,000 naval personnel. The navy has its headquarters at Bandar-e Abbas. Iran's navy has three Russian Kilo class submarines, three frigates and two corvettes.

-- As of 2001 the regular Iranian navy was in a state of overall obsolescence, and in poor shape because they had not been equipped with modern ships and weapons. The readiness of the three frigates is doubtful, and the two nearly 40-year-old corvettes do not have sophisticated weapons.

-- In late 2007 Iran launched a new locally made submarine and a navy frigate named as Jamaran. Jane's Defence Weekly reported last November that Iran was also building missile-launching frigates copied from 275-tonne Kaman fast attack missile craft originally purchased from France in the late 1970s.

* AIR FORCE:

-- The air force has 52,000 personnel and 281 combat aircraft. However, serviceability may be as low as around 60 percent for U.S. aircraft types and 80 percent for Russian aircraft. There are F-14 and MiG 29 aircraft. There are also some aircraft impounded from Iraq -- Russian-built Sukhoi Su-24s and 25s. Iran also has transport aircraft and helicopters.

-- In September 2007, Iran said it had tested two new domestically-produced jet fighters. State television said the Saegheh was a new generation of the Azarakhsh (Lightning) fighter. Iran said it was being built on an industrial scale. Sources: Reuters/Military Balance 2008/www.globalsecurity.org/Jane's Defence Weekly



220,000 conscripts. count them out. when the bullets fly their gone. this entire Military can be destroyed in a matter of days !!!!
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[avatar4321]

If they have to do it then they have to do it. They dont need my permission to defend themselves and take out threats. Ill support them 100%

[namvet]

Last time I checked, Israel didn't have any planes that could lift the required load, fly all the way to Iran, drop the bombs, and fly all the way back without refueling. Just bombing the (above-ground) Iraq reactor some years back, they had to strip their planes right down to the bone, and Iran is twice as far. If they haven't gotten any LONG range planes since then, then they definitely need either a refueling capability (and friendly territory to refuel over), or airfields between Israel and Iran. Look at a map.


The "turkey shoot" would take place in the sovereign territory of nations that (by then) wouldn't like Israel too much, and who hadn't (yet) committed any aggressive acts agains Israel. They wouldn't be too interested in Israel's reasons for attacking the oncoming "peaceful" army. Instead, they would seize the excuse to put together a Middle East coalition and maybe, just maybe, finally polish off Israel as they have failed to do four times in the past. This is not an outcome Israel wants, so they might not do what you say.


Link?


Iran's nuclear facilities are deep underground in hardened bunkers, unlike Iraq's reactor was. And they are dispersed, scattered among several cities and through large areas in each city. Even with bunker busters (the ones the US sold Israel are fairly small), Israel can't be sure all facilities were hit hard enough to all be destroyed. Troops MUST go in to administer the coup de grace, or the mission will be wasted.


Especially if he hasn't taken office by the time Israel launches.

what load???? ever hear of mid air refueling ??? their not taking the entire military with them. they can fly over the med. all the way. they have the exact same capabilites here we do. ever hear of bunker bustin' bombs???? that's what they'll use. ive posted Iranian military size. nothin' but pukes. its a defensive military only !!!!

[AFbombloader]

Last time I checked, Israel didn't have any planes that could lift the required load, fly all the way to Iran, drop the bombs, and fly all the way back without refueling. Just bombing the (above-ground) Iraq reactor some years back, they had to strip their planes right down to the bone, and Iran is twice as far. If they haven't gotten any LONG range planes since then, then they definitely need either a refueling capability (and friendly territory to refuel over), or airfields between Israel and Iran. Look at a map.


The "turkey shoot" would take place in the sovereign territory of nations that (by then) wouldn't like Israel too much, and who hadn't (yet) committed any aggressive acts agains Israel. They wouldn't be too interested in Israel's reasons for attacking the oncoming "peaceful" army. Instead, they would seize the excuse to put together a Middle East coalition and maybe, just maybe, finally polish off Israel as they have failed to do four times in the past. This is not an outcome Israel wants, so they might not do what you say.


Link?


Iran's nuclear facilities are deep underground in hardened bunkers, unlike Iraq's reactor was. And they are dispersed, scattered among several cities and through large areas in each city. Even with bunker busters (the ones the US sold Israel are fairly small), Israel can't be sure all facilities were hit hard enough to all be destroyed. Troops MUST go in to administer the coup de grace, or the mission will be wasted.


Especially if he hasn't taken office by the time Israel launches.


The IAF has over 100 F-16 C/D aircraft, the same kind I just stopped working on in the USAF. The also have 25 F-15I aircraft, the israeli version of the F-15E Steike Eagle. Both have the lift capacity to go all the way to Iran with a load of bombs and return to Israel with the air refueling capacity their own air force has with the 5 KC-707 tankers they have. They do not need our assistance at all, not even for refueling. The only reason they would land in Iraq is if they were damaged, and I think they would ditch into the gulf before they did that. Their pilots are very well trained, second to ours. And their equipment is top of the line.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/iaf-equipment.htm

[Little-Acorn]

what load????
ever hear of mid air refueling ???
ever hear of bunker bustin' bombs????

I'm sorry. I thought you had read my posts before replying.


they can fly over the med. all the way.
Especially where I suggested you look at a map.


they have the exact same capabilites here we do. that's what they'll use.
B-52s? B1s? B2s? Or any aircraft that can fly from Israel to Tehran and back without refuelling?

Are you feeling OK?

[Little-Acorn]

Both have the lift capacity to go all the way to Iran with a load of bombs and return to Israel with the air refueling capacity their own air force has with the 5 KC-707 tankers they have.

Above what country would they do this refuelling? Turkey is very unlikely to grant permission for them to enter their airspace for ANY reason. And if/when President Obama pulls our troops out of Iraq too early and the country reverts to terrorist rule (do you think that can't happen?), Iraq won't grant them permission either.

Did you have some other country in mind, above which Israel can do their midair refulling? Which one?

My suggestion to look at a map, is generally applicable.

These are all reasons why Israel almost MUST strike now, before Obama takes office. They are much more likely to succeed before then, than after.

[hjmick]

You know, I can't help but think that, should Israel decide to hit Iran, they will not worry about permission to refuel should it be necessary. The attack on Iran will have pissed off everyone in the region, so why bother asking for permission? In for a penny, in for a pound.

[Nukeman]

Above what country would they do this refuelling? Turkey is very unlikely to grant permission for them to enter their airspace for ANY reason. And if/when President Obama pulls our troops out of Iraq too early and the country reverts to terrorist rule (do you think that can't happen?), Iraq won't grant them permission either.

Did you have some other country in mind, above which Israel can do their midair refulling? Which one?

My suggestion to look at a map, is generally applicable.

These are all reasons why Israel almost MUST strike now, before Obama takes office. They are much more likely to succeed before then, than after.
And just exactly WHAT airforce is going to stop them over Iraq??? it sure as hell won't be us or the Iraqis. Your forgeting that Iraq has no airforce to speak of to stop them.

So what is your point!!!!???? They won't need permission to refuel over Iraq.....

[PostmodernProphet]

its now obvious they have NO confidence in Osama at all

I think that we have to admit that is an unfair comment....they would have done it without Bush's approval too......

[Little-Acorn]

And just exactly WHAT airforce is going to stop them over Iraq???
Russia was shooting down high-flying aircraft with guided missiles back in the 60s. And from whom do you think the terrorists who take over Iraq when Obama pulls out, will be buying their hardware from with all those nice petrodollars they'll have access to?

As I have said, Israel would be VERY wise to hit Iran's nuke facilities BEFORE Obama takes office. After he takes office, conditions certainly won't be more favorable for them, and may be much worse. Can Israel afford to take the chance that they can still hit Iran afterward??

[namvet]

I'm sorry. I thought you had read my posts before replying.


Especially where I suggested you look at a map.


B-52s? B1s? B2s? Or any aircraft that can fly from Israel to Tehran and back without refuelling?

Are you feeling OK?

B-52s? B1s? B2s? are you feeling ok ???? no. I don't think you are.

[Nukeman]

Russia was shooting down high-flying aircraft with guided missiles back in the 60s. And from whom do you think the terrorists who take over Iraq when Obama pulls out, will be buying their hardware from with all those nice petrodollars they'll have access to?

As I have said, Israel would be VERY wise to hit Iran's nuke facilities BEFORE Obama takes office. After he takes office, conditions certainly won't be more favorable for them, and may be much worse. Can Israel afford to take the chance that they can still hit Iran afterward??

You are ASSUMING that Isreal is looking at doing this years from now. Guess what that aint going to happen. If they don't attack iran in the next 12 months they never will. So your whole train of thought is WRONG

Ohh by the way when exactly are we LEAVING Iraq. We will have a presence in Iraq for decades to come just like we do in Germany and Japan, Or do you think otherwise...

[PostmodernProphet]

they can fly over the med. all the way.

???...dude....if Israel attacks Iran by flying over the Med, Iran has nothing to worry about.......Crete may be screwed, though.....

[Nukeman]

???...dude....if Israel attacks Iran by flying over the Med, Iran has nothing to worry about.......Crete may be screwed, though.....

:lol::lol::lol::laugh2::lol:

[namvet]

I think that we have to admit that is an unfair comment....they would have done it without Bush's approval too......

read between the lines.

[namvet]

the plans for this attack were made months ago. right down to the last detail. for those who doubt Israel's resolve and ability you have but to read about the raid on Entebbe - operation Thunderbolt

[Little-Acorn]

You are ASSUMING that Isreal is looking at doing this years from now.
I am?

Where do you get such strange, silly statements......


We will have a presence in Iraq for decades to come just like we do in Germany and Japan, Or do you think otherwise...
Our President-elect seems to think otherwise. Direct your question to him.

[namvet]

???...dude....if Israel attacks Iran by flying over the Med, Iran has nothing to worry about.......Crete may be screwed, though.....

????Crete??? dude you need a map. bad !!!!!

[hjmick]

http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/infopage/medsea.gif

http://www.omia-export.com/images/Middle-East-map_1_.gif

[manu1959]

????Crete??? dude you need a map. bad !!!!!

dude.........all i can say is israel ain't getting to iran by flying over the med.....

[Yurt]

dude.........all i can say is israel ain't getting to iran by flying over the med.....

sure you can, you just make a left and go 24,000 miles instead of making a right and going a few hundred miles :poke:

[avatar4321]

sure you can, you just make a left and go 24,000 miles instead of making a right and going a few hundred miles :poke:

If it cant make it going right that for that short distance, there is no way in hell the aircraft is going left for an insane amount more:)

[Nukeman]

I am?

Where do you get such strange, silly statements.......By YOUR very statements that NO ONE will allow them to fly over Iraq. Guess what numb-nuts there has already been sign agreements to have the military forces out in 3 years. This would be the BULK of the forces but you can damn sure bet WE WILL HAVE A PRESENCE if you think otherwise your just fooling yourself...



Our President-elect seems to think otherwise. Direct your question to himYou really think he won't backpedal on this like he has almost everything else. I will give you he isn't too bright but when he is briefed on EVERYTHING that there is to know about the region I guarantee there will be long standing presence....

Do you work at being this obtuse or does it come natural???

[namvet]

NO i didn't mean across the med. north then east to the caspian sea then south right into iran. and no its 24 millions miles !!!! its alternative. that's all. but 1 way or another they'll get there. and its already planned up and ready to go.......

[PostmodernProphet]

NO i didn't mean across the med. north then east to the caspian sea then south right into iran. and no its 24 millions miles !!!! its alternative. that's all. but 1 way or another they'll get there. and its already planned up and ready to go.......

How do they get to the Caspian without crossing Turkey?.....look, if it goes down, it goes down like this......Israeli planes fly across Syria, which they have already shown they can do with immunity.....then, along the Iraqi/Turkish border....we won't fire on them, Turkey probably can't......the whole world is pissed at them....which has happened before.....Iran loses thousands of centrifuges and nuclear war is delayed another ten to fifteen years......by June, everyone is happy again.....

[namvet]

How do they get to the Caspian without crossing Turkey?.....look, if it goes down, it goes down like this......Israeli planes fly across Syria, which they have already shown they can do with immunity.....then, along the Iraqi/Turkish border....we won't fire on them, Turkey probably can't......the whole world is pissed at them....which has happened before.....Iran loses thousands of centrifuges and nuclear war is delayed another ten to fifteen years......by June, everyone is happy again.....


How do they get to the Caspian without crossing Turkey?...........we won't fire on them, Turkey probably can't..

????? they fly at night jammin' radar. like they always do. just like they did to Syria. but you can't read. "its alternative"

[namvet]

If it cant make it going right that for that short distance, there is no way in hell the aircraft is going left for an insane amount more:)

Reagan hit Kadafi all the way from England. france refused to allow the bombers french airspace. just saying. today no enemy is out of range

[PostmodernProphet]

????? they fly at night jammin' radar. like they always do. just like they did to Syria. but you can't read. "its alternative"

sorry dude....it's got nothing to do with whether I can read.....it's all about you screwing up and saying you could get there without crossing Turkey by going across the Med.....lol

[namvet]

sorry dude....it's got nothing to do with whether I can read.....it's all about you screwing up and saying you could get there without crossing Turkey by going across the Med.....lol

if they can blind Syria why not Turkey????


by going across the Med

sounds like your the screw here general.

[PostmodernProphet]

if they can blind Syria why not Turkey????





the fact that they might ignore Turkey and fly over it anyway doesn't have anything to do with avoiding Turkey by flying over the Med.....admit you fucked up and let's move on.....

[namvet]

the fact that they might ignore Turkey and fly over it anyway doesn't have anything to do with avoiding Turkey by flying over the Med.....admit you fucked up and let's move on.....

no. lets admit your a fuck up and move on

[namvet]

the fact that they might ignore Turkey and fly over it anyway doesn't have anything to do with avoiding Turkey by flying over the Med.....admit you fucked up and let's move on.....


http://www.worth1000.com/entries/194500/194504msUQ_w.jpg

plug it in and charge it up. zipper head

[moon]

Last month, amid mounting fears in Israel that the U.S. was doing nothing to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power, Ehud Olmert, Israel's Prime Minister, warned President Bush the last chance of destroying Tehran’s nuclear bomb-making program was passing.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,461588,00.html

I have a strange sensation of being bombarded with repetitious gloop;

Last month, amid mounting fears in Israel that the U.S. was doing nothing to prevent Iraq from becoming a nuclear power, Ariel Sharon, Israel's Prime MInister, warned President Bush the last chance of destroying Baghdad's nuclear bomb-making program was passing.

Let it pass, George. You're insignificant enough already.

[avatar4321]

Reagan hit Kadafi all the way from England. france refused to allow the bombers french airspace. just saying. today no enemy is out of range

oh i dont doubt that. I just highly doubt they are going to fly across the med., Atlantic, N. America, Pacific, and most of Asia to hit Iran

[canavar]

????? they fly at night jammin' radar. like they always do. just like they did to Syria. but you can't read. "its alternative"

Hello.
What purpose does it serve flying in night?
Maybe such day/night conditions do count in banana-countries.
I doubt Israel is capable of jamming Turkish electronical identifaction systems on ground. We are advanced in electronical warfare and have en masse such systems stationed throughout the country, Further, Turkish airspace is non-stop guarded by Turkish jets themselves haveing EW and Anti-EW capabilities.

Even if Israeli jets could jamm Turkish identification capabilities on ground, HERRIKS system will report a malfunction in that area to the Land Forces Headquarters.
You must imagine there is somewhere a big big display in someone's office and the display shows him real-time 3D data of Turkish Airspace.
The display is just a sub-component.
Other components interact automatically, such as:

Please read carefully, it will give you an overview of Turkish EW capabilities installed on territory. A foreign nation's jets entering Turkish Airspace jamming here and there is fiction. Everything unauthorized will get shot down.


Skywatcher entered service with the Turkish army in 2001 as its first fully digital air defense system (...) the system has been upgraded constantly based on user feedback. (...) Skywatcher can produce a real-time air picture for assigning anti-aircraft weapons. The system consists of air defense command posts at the army, corps and brigade levels; interface units for long-, medium- and short-range air defense radars; and vehicles serving as interfaces to link the command posts to radar sites and weapons platforms. (...)
The system generates a real-time air picture for operators in the command post by displaying friendly and hostile forces and safe/unsafe air corridors on digital maps. Other screen images include status, availability and coverage data for sensors and weapons systems. A variety of analysis tools can be superimposed over the digital images and used to share data on the network. This information includes unit positions, operational status and equipment information. Matching appropriate weapons to specific targets can be done in an automatic, semi-automatic or manual mode.
(...)
The Tasmus tactical area communications system serves as Skywatcher’s backbone. It carries voice, data and video traffic in a redundant and survivable infrastructure. By using distributed routing algorithms and flexible system architecture upgrades, Aselsan’s engineers have designed a network that can quickly respond to stress or sudden spikes in use. (...)
Tasmus has a high-bandwidth capability that links sensors and weapons into Skywatcher’s real-time data tracking capability.(...)
It has a network management and planning system called Syscon that uses International Telecommunications Union and NATO tactical communications system control protocols. The software architecture is designed along NATO multilevel security standards, and the system allows tactical data servers to connect to Tasmus, providing commanders with digital maps, geographic data, meteorological information, intelligence reports and logistics data. (...)
Skywatcher and Tasmus are two of several digital systems in the Turkish army. These include the Baiks and Baiks-2000 field artillery battery fire direction systems. Baiks is designed to provide fast and accurate ballistic calculations for a variety of artillery weapons, fire support coordination systems, digital message transfer applications and battery-level ammunition counts. Baiks-2000 is an updated version that increases an artillery battery’s firepower and first-hit capability.

http://www.afcea.org/SIGNAL/articles/templates/SIGNAL_Article_Template.asp?articleid=345&zoneid=78

Say hello to Skywatcher:
http://www2.ssm.gov.tr/katalog2007/data/038/images/herikks-tr.jpg

[namvet]

Hello.
What purpose does it serve flying in night?
Maybe such day/night conditions do count in banana-countries.
I doubt Israel is capable of jamming Turkish electronical identifaction systems on ground. We are advanced in electronical warfare and have en masse such systems stationed throughout the country, Further, Turkish airspace is non-stop guarded by Turkish jets themselves haveing EW and Anti-EW capabilities.

Even if Israeli jets could jamm Turkish identification capabilities on ground, HERRIKS system will report a malfunction in that area to the Land Forces Headquarters.
You must imagine there is somewhere a big big display in someone's office and the display shows him real-time 3D data of Turkish Airspace.
The display is just a sub-component.
Other components interact automatically, such as:

Please read carefully, it will give you an overview of Turkish EW capabilities installed on territory. A foreign nation's jets entering Turkish Airspace jamming here and there is fiction. Everything unauthorized will get shot down.


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Say hello to Skywatcher:
http://www2.ssm.gov.tr/katalog2007/data/038/images/herikks-tr.jpg

HELLO !!!!! YO !!!! the US flys at night why is that huh?????

[canavar]

HELLO !!!!! YO !!!! the US flys at night why is that huh?????

That is not my business why US flies at night, also the information to acknowledge that as a fact is missing.
I just wanted to say, that i think Israel is not able to penetrate Turkish Airspace.
Also we have close co-operation with Israel on Airforce, we do train together in Turkish Airspace and there are regularily held bi-national and multi-national exercises. I think we are ver well informed of their capabilities.
Also we can examine their capabilities at "Anatolian Eagle" in Konya.
It is together with Red Flag trainings at Nellis Air Base in USA the best within NATO.
Israel does join also every year. Everything is involved from tanker fleets, mobile SAM (not static), ground control intelligence to AWACS.
http://www.anadolukartali.hvkk.mil.tr/default.asp?loc=en&p=anasayfa

From next year on "Anatolian Eagle" will be equipped with different Russian SAM systems, which Turkey will buy from Belarus and Ukraine.
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3a9441f35c-b72a-4409-97a7-25f91e154613

Thanks or your attention.
TUAF
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3c/Strategy_F16tr2.jpg/800px-Strategy_F16tr2.jpg

[namvet]

That is not my business why US flies at night, also the information to acknowledge that as a fact is missing.
I just wanted to say, that i think Israel is not able to penetrate Turkish Airspace.
Also we have close co-operation with Israel on Airforce, we do train together in Turkish Airspace and there are regularily held bi-national and multi-national exercises. I think we are ver well informed of their capabilities.
Also we can examine their capabilities at "Anatolian Eagle" in Konya.
It is together with Red Flag trainings at Nellis Air Base in USA the best within NATO.
Israel does join also every year. Everything is involved from tanker fleets, mobile SAM (not static), ground control intelligence to AWACS.
http://www.anadolukartali.hvkk.mil.tr/default.asp?loc=en&p=anasayfa

From next year on "Anatolian Eagle" will be equipped with different Russian SAM systems, which Turkey will buy from Belarus and Ukraine.
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3a9441f35c-b72a-4409-97a7-25f91e154613

Thanks or your attention.
TUAF
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3c/Strategy_F16tr2.jpg/800px-Strategy_F16tr2.jpg

the IDF flys our planes with the same tech. nite time is the right time. you own the night you own your enemy. thats ALL im saying...........