Libs pissed: Gates stays on

[namvet]

first the Klinton snakes now he keeps conserv Gates on as defense secretary. will we see more "change" ??? do they want a purge already :laugh2:


More than a month before he takes the oath of office, President-elect Barack Obama already is testing the loyalty of his liberal base.

On Monday, he is expected to announce his national security team, which will include Robert Gates as his defense secretary, a carry-over from the Bush administration, and retired Gen. Jim Jones, who supported John McCain for president, as his national security adviser.


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[retiredman]

I am a liberal and I am not pissed off in the least!:lol:

[crin63]

He has to have someone to blame for not getting out Iraq immediately like he promised.

[retiredman]

I don't think he ever promised to get out immediately. He promised to end the war. He will. Gates will assist in doing so.

[April15]

I think he is correct in keeping Gates.

[DragonStryk72]

Smart move actually, since it would give him a balance of forces in his cabinet. He said he'd cross the aisle in his campaign, it is nice to see that he's doing it.

[Yurt]

obama promised 16 months...

obama promised....

good lord, this guy is running around with his head chopped off, he told the voters what they wanted to hear in order to get elected, now, even before taking office he is going back on his word regarding things he promised...

all because the libs hate bush and wanted so badly to win that they ignore all of bambams bullcrap. pathetic, party over country.

[avatar4321]

I am a liberal and I am not pissed off in the least!:lol:

Of course not. You are still in your "Obama is God" phase and would be pleased if he was shooting children during the White House tour.

[retiredman]

obama promised 16 months...

obama promised....

good lord, this guy is running around with his head chopped off, he told the voters what they wanted to hear in order to get elected, now, even before taking office he is going back on his word regarding things he promised...

all because the libs hate bush and wanted so badly to win that they ignore all of bambams bullcrap. pathetic, party over country.16 months is hardly "immediately", is it?

[namvet]

Gates will make a great spy..................:laugh2::lol:

[Yurt]

FACT: Obama Previously Said He Would Immediately Begin Withdrawing Troops
From Iraq And Would Have Them Out In 16 Months:
In May 2008, Obama Promised To End The War In 2009. Obama: "When I promise
that we are going to bring this war in Iraq to a close in 2009, I want the
American people to understand that I opposed this war in 2002, 2003, '04, '05,
'06 and '07, so you can have confidence that I will be serious about ending
this war." (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks At The North Carolina Democrat Party
2008 Jefferson-Jackson Dinner, Raleigh, NC, 5/2/08)
-- Click Here To View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyxPxjtqDso
In March 2008, Obama Said He Would "Immediately Begin To Remove Our Troops
From Iraq And Have Them Out In 16 Months." Obama: "In order to end this war
responsibly, I will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. We can
responsibly remove one to two combat brigades each month. If we start with the
number of brigades we have in Iraq today, we can remove all of them 16
months." (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks On Iraq, Fayetteville, NC, 3/19/08)

....

In September 2007, Obama Called For The U.S. To "Immediately Begin To
Remove Our Combat Troops" From Iraq. Obama: "So let me be clear. There is no
military solution in Iraq. There never was. The best way to protect our
security and to pressure Iraq's leaders to resolve their civil war is to
immediately begin to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year,
but now." (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks On Iraq, Clinton, IA, 9/12/07)




http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS41948+05-Jul-2008+PRN20080705

as i said, he promised to immediately bring the troops home. in fact, if i recall, he had that promise on his website until he got called on it and the when the surge started to work he threw his promise under the bus and how can anyone ignore he wanted the troops IMMEDIATELY brought home in september 07', not later, but NOW in september 07'

....another promise you can't trust.

[manu1959]

I don't think he ever promised to get out immediately. He promised to end the war. He will. Gates will assist in doing so.


he promised to withdraw troops immediately.....the war will not end.....

[retiredman]

he promised to withdraw troops immediately.....the war will not end.....


16 months is not "immediately". period....

unless, of course, you reserve the right to create your own definitions of words.

and the war in Iraq will definitely end for us...and, I must admit that there are hopeful signs that sunnis and shiites may achieve some modicum of reason in that country and at least try to exist peacefully in the future. The actions of the Iraqi judiciary concerning the Iraqi parliament member who went to Israel to attend a counterterrorism conference are encouraging, to say the least.

[Yurt]

interesting you ignore your leaders own words...within 16 months, he thinks that is immediate and called for removal ealier, but you keep your head in the sand while i learn the truth:


FACT: Obama Previously Said He Would Immediately Begin Withdrawing Troops
From Iraq And Would Have Them Out In 16 Months:
In May 2008, Obama Promised To End The War In 2009. Obama: "When I promise
that we are going to bring this war in Iraq to a close in 2009, I want the
American people to understand that I opposed this war in 2002, 2003, '04, '05,
'06 and '07, so you can have confidence that I will be serious about ending
this war." (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks At The North Carolina Democrat Party
2008 Jefferson-Jackson Dinner, Raleigh, NC, 5/2/08)
-- Click Here To View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyxPxjtqDso
In March 2008, Obama Said He Would "Immediately Begin To Remove Our Troops
From Iraq And Have Them Out In 16 Months." Obama: "In order to end this war
responsibly, I will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. We can
responsibly remove one to two combat brigades each month. If we start with the
number of brigades we have in Iraq today, we can remove all of them 16
months." (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks On Iraq, Fayetteville, NC, 3/19/08)

....

In September 2007, Obama Called For The U.S. To "Immediately Begin To
Remove Our Combat Troops" From Iraq. Obama: "So let me be clear. There is no
military solution in Iraq. There never was. The best way to protect our
security and to pressure Iraq's leaders to resolve their civil war is to
immediately begin to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year,
but now." (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks On Iraq, Clinton, IA, 9/12/07)



http://www.reuters.com/article/press...08+PRN20080705

as i said, he promised to immediately bring the troops home. in fact, if i recall, he had that promise on his website until he got called on it and the when the surge started to work he threw his promise under the bus and how can anyone ignore he wanted the troops IMMEDIATELY brought home in september 07', not later, but NOW in september 07'

....another promise you can't trust.

funny how you ignore the post directly above manu's

[retiredman]

starting the sixteen month process to remove our troops "immediately" is not the same as "immediately getting out of Iraq.

He will end America's military involvement in the conflict in Iraq within 16 months of taking office.... not "immediately", which was my point.

[5stringJeff]

Obama's campaign promises have been pre-empted by the security pact that was recently signed by America and ratified by Iraq. That document calls for the removal of combat troops in 16 months, and the complete withdrawal of American troops from Iraq by the end of 2011. So it doesn't matter if Obama promised every Iraqi a pretty pink pony - the reality he has to deal with in Iraq is the new security agreement.

[April15]

obama promised 16 months...

obama promised....

good lord, this guy is running around with his head chopped off, he told the voters what they wanted to hear in order to get elected, now, even before taking office he is going back on his word regarding things he promised...

all because the libs hate bush and wanted so badly to win that they ignore all of bambams bullcrap. pathetic, party over country.

The following parable is what most if not everyone who voted for Obama expected.

While walking down the street one day a US senator is tragically hit by a truck and dies.

His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.

"Welcome to heaven," says St. Peter. "Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so we're not sure what to do with you."

"No problem, just let me in," says the man.

"Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from higher up. What we'll do is have you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity."

"Really, I've made up my mind. I want to be in heaven," says the senator.

"I'm sorry, but we have our rules."

And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell. The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him.

Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people.

They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and champagne.

Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly guy who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a good time that before he realizes it, it is time to go. Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises...

The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him.

"Now it's time to visit heaven."

So, 24 hours pass with the senator joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns

"Well, then, you've spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose your eternity."

The senator reflects for a minute, then he answers:
"Well, I would never have said it before, I mean heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in hell."

So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell.

Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage.

He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls from above.

The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulder. "I don't understand," stammers the senator "Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne, and danced and had a great time.
Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable. What happened?"

The devil looks at him, smiles and says, "Yesterday we were
campaigning...... Today you voted."

[Yurt]

april,

sad but true.

and jeff has a point, however, obama's promise to immediately take troops out of iraq was broken before this agreement. also in sept 2007 he said immediately, not in a month or six months, now.

and i would say that removing troops from iraq within 16 months is immediate. you can't fly them all out in one day.

[5stringJeff]

and jeff has a point, however, obama's promise to immediately take troops out of iraq was broken before this agreement. also in sept 2007 he said immediately, not in a month or six months, now.

That wasn't my point. Other than influencing the war with his vote as a senator, Obama had no way to "end the war" or "immediately take troops out." He was powerless to act. And while he was powerless to act, the circumstances in Iraq changed, i.e. the new security agreement was put into effect.

[Yurt]

That wasn't my point. Other than influencing the war with his vote as a senator, Obama had no way to "end the war" or "immediately take troops out." He was powerless to act. And while he was powerless to act, the circumstances in Iraq changed, i.e. the new security agreement was put into effect.

i understand that, i never clarified your point...(however)...was after i said you had a point. wouldn't you agree that obama has already gone back on his promise regarding the troops "when" he becomes president, before, this agreement went into effect? my point is, regardless of the agreement, which i agreed with you that it does change things, he broke his promise prior the agreement, eg, he broke his promise period.

[April15]

april,

sad but true.

and jeff has a point, however, obama's promise to immediately take troops out of iraq was broken before this agreement. also in sept 2007 he said immediately, not in a month or six months, now.

and i would say that removing troops from iraq within 16 months is immediate. you can't fly them all out in one day.I wasn't paying attention to him in 2007. But I do recall something about immediate withdrawal. From what little I do know about the military immediate withdrawal from a 150,000 troop engagement is about 2 or 3 month effort. I could be wrong but the idea is it isn't an overnight affair.