US embassy Guard Suspended For Criticising Obama

[red states rule]

It is starting. If you voice criticism of the messiah - you will be punished




US embassy guard suspended for criticising Barack ObamaComments appeared on a website run by the security guard


An American security guard has been suspended from work at the US embassy in London after publishing a blog criticising the president-elect, Barack Obama.

The decision to remove him was taken following "mutual" agreement between his UK employer and US diplomats, an embassy spokesman told guardian.co.uk.

The controversial comments appeared on a website run by the security guard, who reportedly heads security teams patrolling the heavily fortified building in Mayfair, central London.

One of the comments, which has now been removed, reads: "… ideals that are the very cornerstone of American liberty and democracy could very well become an ephemeral memory of American history under the socialist leadership of the incumbent Barrack Obama.

"… The real question of concern, now that Obama is the president-elect, is what promises have Obama's camp given in return to these socialist, communist, fascist and terrorist supporting nations and special interest groups? Such accolades and endorsements do not come easy in this nuclear age."

The US embassy spokesman said: " [The security guard] is no longer working at any US government facilities pending an investigation."

Asked whether diplomats had requested his transfer, the spokesman said: "It was a mutual decision between the embassy and the company [Pedus Services, that employs him]."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/21/barack-obama

[retiredman]

if people working for the executive branch of government want to criticize the head of that branch of government, perhaps they should get a job somewhere else.

[red states rule]

if people working for the executive branch of government want to criticize the head of that branch of government, perhaps they should get a job somewhere else.

Why am I not surprised you would support someone being punished for excerising their right of free speech?

Dems have made it clear they want to silence anyone who speaks out against their messiah

[retiredman]

Why am I not surprised you would support someone being punished for excerising their right of free speech?

Dems have made it clear they want to silence anyone who speaks out against their messiah

there are not being PUNISHED. they were not retained in a job that requires a certain loyalty to the president and to his state department employees.

Do you think that, as a marine guard at the white house, you could publicly voice criticism of the president?

[red states rule]

there are not being PUNISHED. they were not retained in a job that requires a certain loyalty to the president and to his state department employees.

Do you think that, as a marine guard at the white house, you could publicly voice criticism of the president?

They are being punished Virgil, and you have proven you have no problem with free speech on the radio (and now on the internet) being silenced

The Marine guard has the same free speech rights as a preacher who lives a double life on message boards

[retiredman]

They are being punished Virgil, and you have proven you have no problem with free speech on the radio (and now on the internet) being silenced

The Marine guard has the same free speech rights as a preacher who lives a double life on message boards


the marine guard does not have the right to voice criticism of his commander in chief.

I certainly would not want anyone guarding one of our embassies who was critical of our government.

[red states rule]

the marine guard does not have the right to voice criticism of his commander in chief.

I certainly would not want anyone guarding one of our embassies who was critical of our government.

You libs have been screaming Obama is not in office yet - so how can he be punished for being critical?

Oh, we are talking about tolerant libs - enough said

[hjmick]

the marine guard does not have the right to voice criticism of his commander in chief.

I certainly would not want anyone guarding one of our embassies who was critical of our government.

I did not get the impression that the man in question is part of the Marine guard for the embassy. Rather, I get the impression from the story that he is in the employ of a private security firm that supplements the security at the embassy in question.


The US embassy spokesman said: " [The security guard] is no longer working at any US government facilities pending an investigation."

Asked whether diplomats had requested his transfer, the spokesman said: "It was a mutual decision between the embassy and the company [Pedus Services, that employs him]."

Pedus Service, based in Newport, south Wales, is contracted to protect the embassy. Martin West, the general manager, said the firm was carrying out an investigation and that Hubbard had been suspended from work.

"We work very closely with our partners at the US embassy and we will continue to work through this while the investigation is carried out," he added.

[red states rule]

I did not get the impression that the man in question is part of the Marine guard for the embassy. Rather, I get the impression from the story that he is in the employ of a private security firm that supplements the security at the embassy in question.

I do not believe he was in the US militray either. I guess now ANY Federal employee must not speak out against the chosen one, or they will lose their job as well

[Yurt]

if people working for the executive branch of government want to criticize the head of that branch of government, perhaps they should get a job somewhere else.

funny, he DID NOT criticize bush or even the president elect...:poke:

he criticized an unemployed pompous marxist

[red states rule]

funny, he DID NOT criticize bush or even the president elect...:poke:

he criticized an unemployed pompous marxist

What amazes me, (but does not surprise me) is that some people are NOT bothered by this. This is very disturbing.

Now under liberal rule, you can lose your job because of your political beliefs

[retiredman]

What amazes me, (but does not surprise me) is that some people are NOT bothered by this. This is very disturbing.

Now under liberal rule, you can lose your job because of your political beliefs


I am not at all bothered by this...just like I would not be bothered by military members who were critical of the president being court martialled for violations of Art. 88 or 134.

This yahoo was just a contracted security guard and he didn't get to keep his job guarding our embassy.

c'est la vie.

[Yurt]

What amazes me, (but does not surprise me) is that some people are NOT bothered by this. This is very disturbing.

Now under liberal rule, you can lose your job because of your political beliefs

well, depends exactly on this guys job position and employment contract. there are government jobs where freedom of speech can be limited while acting within the scope of your employment, e.g., speaking in your professional capacity.

also, unless what i have seen so far is wrong, the bush administration did likewise with the DOJ firings.

[avatar4321]

there are not being PUNISHED. they were not retained in a job that requires a certain loyalty to the president and to his state department employees.

Do you think that, as a marine guard at the white house, you could publicly voice criticism of the president?

Their loyalty is to the United States of America. Not to any person.

[red states rule]

I am not at all bothered by this...just like I would not be bothered by military members who were critical of the president being court martialled for violations of Art. 88 or 134.

This yahoo was just a contracted security guard and he didn't get to keep his job guarding our embassy.

c'est la vie.


Eh Virgil, the article does not say he was in the military. Given your lust for pwoer, I am not surprised you are selective in who you deem has First Amendment rights, and who do not

IOW, who agrees with you and who does not not

[Yurt]

if people working for the executive branch of government want to criticize the head of that branch of government, perhaps they should get a job somewhere else.



funny, he DID NOT criticize bush or even the president elect...:poke:

he criticized an unemployed pompous marxist

:lol:


I am not at all bothered by this...just like I would not be bothered by military members who were critical of the president being court martialled for violations of Art. 88 or 134.

This yahoo was just a contracted security guard and he didn't get to keep his job guarding our embassy.

c'est la vie.

just....should i respect someone like him less than a reservist? a weekend warrior?

[retiredman]

Their loyalty is to the United States of America. Not to any person.

you didn't answer the question. I suggest a reading of articles 88 and 134 of the UCMJ.

[avatar4321]

you didn't answer the question. I suggest a reading of articles 88 and 134 of the UCMJ.

Why? it doesnt apply in this situation.

[retiredman]

just....should i respect someone like him less than a reservist? a weekend warrior? respect him? this isn't a matter of respect for the guard, it is a matter of disrespect for his future employer on the part of the guard.

[Yurt]

you didn't answer the question. I suggest a reading of articles 88 and 134 of the UCMJ.

post 16, how convenient the things you gloss over :poke:

[retiredman]

Why? it doesnt apply in this situation.

if you say that a marine guard at the white house can publicly criticize the president, it most certainly does apply.

[red states rule]

respect him? this isn't a matter of respect for the guard, it is a matter of disrespect for his future employer on the part of the guard.

We all know how you "respect" people who have different POV's :laugh2:

[Yurt]

respect him? this isn't a matter of respect for the guard, it is a matter of disrespect for his future employer on the part of the guard.

:lol:

no wonder you ignored and purposefully cutout parts of my posts.....you know you said something that is WRONG and got busted

you can't edit this, just like you can't edit my pm's to make believe i said something that i never did :laugh2:

but it is clear that your MO is hide, cut out parts, hide, not respond, hide

i expected better of you

[retiredman]

post 16, how convenient the things you gloss over

I caqn well imagine that the embassy AND the company contracted to provide guards for the embassy would not want a man responsible for guarding said embassy who was critical of the president. THey took action a few months in advance in order to remove that possibility. that makes sense. :poke:

[red states rule]

I caqn well imagine that the embassy AND the company contracted to provide guards for the embassy would not want a man responsible for guarding said embassy who was critical of the president. THey took action a few months in advance in order to remove that possibility. that makes sense.

Eh Virgil, your messiah is NOT Predident yet. Much to your dismay, you will have to wait until Jan 20, 2009

So now anyone can lose their job if they dare to disagree with your lord and savior????

[retiredman]

:lol:

no wonder you ignored and purposefully cutout parts of my posts.....you know you said something that is WRONG and got busted

you can't edit this, just like you can't edit my pm's to make believe i said something that i never did :laugh2:

but it is clear that your MO is hide, cut out parts, hide, not respond, hide

i expected better of you


what are you talking about?

What did I say that was WRONG?

and you certainly DID ask me for my employer's phone number.... you can tap dance all you want and claim that you really weren't asking for it, but the fact remains....you did. and the fact remains that you sought out and found my name and employer... and the fact remains: that is creepy.

[retiredman]

Eh Virgil, your messiah is NOT Predident yet. Much to your dismay, you will have to wait until Jan 20, 2009

So now anyone can lose their job if they dare to disagree with your lord and savior????

anyone who is tasked with guarding our embassies and who publicly states their disrespect for our soon to be president runs the risk of being fired by their employer in advance of inauguration. that makes sense.

[red states rule]

what are you talking about?

What did I say that was WRONG?

and you certainly DID ask me for my employer's phone number.... you can tap dance all you want and claim that you really weren't asking for it, but the fact remains....you did. and the fact remains that you sought out and found my name and employer... and the fact remains: that is creepy.

Now Virgil is out to derail the thread and have it locked down

[red states rule]

anyone who is tasked with guarding our embassies and who publicly states their disrespect for our soon to be president runs the risk of being fired by their employer in advance of inauguration. that makes sense.

Much like the left wants to do with Rush, Sean, and all other conservative talk radio hosts

Yep, the new order is coming

[retiredman]

Now Virgil is out to derail the thread and have it locked down

yurt said I was wrong about something. Am I not allowed to question him about that statement?

[Yurt]

if people working for the executive branch of government want to criticize the head of that branch of government, perhaps they should get a job somewhere else.


there are not being PUNISHED. they were not retained in a job that requires a certain loyalty to the president and to his state department employees.

Do you think that, as a marine guard at the white house, you could publicly voice criticism of the president?


funny, he DID NOT criticize bush or even the president elect...:poke:

he criticized an unemployed pompous marxist


manfrommaine;326437]what are you talking about?

What did I say that was WRONG?

you've read it now four times, if you can't figure it out, there is no point in telling you.


and you certainly DID ask me for my employer's phone number.... you can tap dance all you want and claim that you really weren't asking for it, but the fact remains....you did. and the fact remains that you sought out and found my name and employer... and the fact remains: that is creepy.

please start this in the cage. it would be nice to show your lies about this. my comments are going to derail this, so start this in the cage and your failure to do so will speak volumes about your veracity.

i will not speak more of it here

[red states rule]

Back to the topic

What next from the left? The Thought Police?

Kinda sounds like the messiah and his followers wants to use the Government style in the book 1984 as a guide

Any American no matter their political belief should be allowed to talk about their government, and not be afraid to do so. This man's rights as an American citizen were stripped from him.

[Abbey Marie]

From now on, If I happen to catch it, anyone who brings up or responds to this never-ending virtual pecker contest about who threatened whom, in a thread on another topic, will be banned from said thread.

[red states rule]

From now on, If I happen to catch it, anyone who brings up or responds to this never-ending virtual pecker contest about who threatened whom, in a thread on another topic, will be banned from said thread.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

A rep worthy post

[retiredman]

nit picking yurt... the fact that the guard criticized the guy who is going to be the boss of the place where he is working in less than two months is reason enough to remove him from the position before the inauguration comes to pass. What if Obama were to head off to London the week after he was inaugurated? Would we really want this guy part of his security???

[red states rule]

nit picking yurt... the fact that the guard criticized the guy who is going to be the boss of the place where he is working in less than two months is reason enough to remove him from the position before the inauguration comes to pass. What if Obama were to head off to London the week after he was inaugurated? Would we really want this guy part of his security???

Silence those people at all costs - right Virgil? What is next from you clowns? Making all Federal employee sign an Obama Loyality Oath?

[retiredman]

Silence those people at all costs - right Virgil? What is next from you clowns? Making all Federal employee sign an Obama Loyality Oath?

not at all. He is a security guard. I think security guards ought not to have a potential conflict in providing security, don't you agree?

and I really wish that you would not call me Virgil. I find your continued use of my first name to be profoundly disrespectful. I have asked nicely. Please comply.

[red states rule]

not at all. He is a security guard. I think security guards ought not to have a potential conflict in providing security, don't you agree?

and I really wish that you would not call me Virgil. I find your continued use of my first name to be profoundly disrespectful. I have asked nicely. Please comply.

Your gripe is he spoke out against your messiah - and now that he is being punished you could not be happier

The fact his rights have been ignored does not bother you in the least which is not surprising to me at all

Libs like you opick and choose what rights people have based on their political beliefs

[retiredman]

Your gripe is he spoke out against your messiah - and now that he is being punished you could not be happier

The fact his rights have been ignored does not bother you in the least which is not surprising to me at all

Libs like you opick and choose what rights people have based on their political beliefs

I got no gripe against this guy. He knew who he would be working for...he was, I assume, smart enough to realize that the government of the United States would not like some guy who was dead set against their leader to be involved in providing security for their new leader's team. I am quite sure this guy has a lucrative future at faux news.

[red states rule]

I got no gripe against this guy. He knew who he would be working for...he was, I assume, smart enough to realize that the government of the United States would not like some guy who was dead set against their leader to be involved in providing security for their new leader's team. I am quite sure this guy has a lucrative future at faux news.

Compare them to some things said by American Congressmen, Senators, and "journalists" about President Bush, and they still have their jobs.

The HOPE and CHANGE continues

However the fact that the security guard was merely suspended shows the understanding and generosity of America's messiah.

Normally when a citizen of a socialist country such as the United States make insulting comments about the nation's dictator, that person be flogged, and sent to a dungeon for political prisoners. I am sure you would step forward Virgil to administer the punishment and oversee his re-education

The security guard got off easy -- and he should be grateful to the kind and benign messiah known as Obama.

[Kathianne]

the marine guard does not have the right to voice criticism of his commander in chief.

I certainly would not want anyone guarding one of our embassies who was critical of our government.

So, one's loyalty is to the cic, not the government? He was NOT being critical of the government, quite the opposite.

[red states rule]

So, one's loyalty is to the cic, not the government? He was NOT being critical of the government, quite the opposite.

and last I checked, Obama is not the CIC as of yet. The point is, free speech on the internet is being attacked. I see this as a very dangerous omen of things to come

[Kathianne]

and last I checked, Obama is not the CIC as of yet. The point is, free speech on the internet is being attacked. I see this as a very dangerous omen of things to come

Well if I understand MFM, if a member of the military is unwilling to take a loyalty oath in practice, they should be out. I guess that means that every secret service agent must prove they voted for Obama in order to protect him?

[red states rule]

Well if I understand MFM, if a member of the military is unwilling to take a loyalty oath in practice, they should be out. I guess that means that every secret service agent must prove they voted for Obama in order to protect him?

From the article Kat, it looks like he is not a member of the US military. As with talk radio, the left is showing they will not tolerate any different opinions to be voiced. I would not be sur[rosed if the Obama administration issues a gag order on its employees, and watchs what they say or post on the internet

Since when should an American be punished for criticizing an "American" politician in another country? The Brits have savaged President Bush over the years

[Kathianne]

From the article Kat, it looks like he is not a member of the US military. As with talk radio, the left is showing they will not tolerate any different opinions to be voiced. I would not be sur[rosed if the Obama administration issues a gag order on its employees, and watchs what they say or post on the internet

Since when should an American be punished for criticizing an "American" politician in another country? The Brits have savaged President Bush over the years

I agree with the premise that the incoming administration appears willing to curtail freedom of speech, apparently with the approval of many of those that voted for him. Scary thought this is, one I never thought I'd see. Goldberg was right, with "Liberal Fascism," it's ascending once again.

[red states rule]

I agree with the premise that the incoming administration appears willing to curtail freedom of speech, apparently with the approval of many of those that voted for him. Scary thought this is, one I never thought I'd see. Goldberg was right, with "Liberal Fascism," it's ascending once again.

And it is scary that alot of liberals agree with the practice

The same libs who screamed for 8 years how their freedoms were being taken away - even though they could not tell us what those freedoms were

When a clear case of a US citizens being punished for his political speech (comments made on the internet) libs yawn and defend the practice

[Kathianne]

From now on, If I happen to catch it, anyone who brings up or responds to this never-ending virtual pecker contest about who threatened whom, in a thread on another topic, will be banned from said thread.

Ditto!

[red states rule]

Ditto!

Abbey is bringng in her whip and chair to tame the masses :laugh2:

[Kathianne]

Abbey is bringng in her whip and chair to tame the masses :laugh2:

she's not alone.

[Missileman]

Abbey is bringng in her whip and chair to tame them asses :laugh2:

Fixed that for you. :laugh2:

[red states rule]

Fixed that for you. :laugh2:

I had it right the first time thank you

Now Virgil does resemble that remark

[red states rule]

she's not alone.

Warning warning danger danger

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[Yurt]

nit picking yurt... the fact that the guard criticized the guy who is going to be the boss of the place where he is working in less than two months is reason enough to remove him from the position before the inauguration comes to pass. What if Obama were to head off to London the week after he was inaugurated? Would we really want this guy part of his security???

it is not nit picking...you said something that is factually not true and you relied on that to make your point. to do so is wrong. period.

[red states rule]

it is not nit picking...you said something that is factually not true and you relied on that to make your point. to do so is wrong. period.

Bravo Yurt

BTW, liberals insulted George Bush, calling him a dictator worse than Hitler; (many on TV) and no one on the left batted an eye; or said a word in protest

However. because this man speaks his mind in an rational and logical way - he's smeared and suspended from his job

I thought that's what was great about America--that we are FREE

Are we or aren't we?

[Mr. P]

I'll contribute my 2 cents ...

High security positions require folks that can focus on the job and have the mental discipline to not allow their opinions to interfere in their job performance. I think the embassy and the employer saw this as the issue and are looking into whether it's a security issue for the embassy. I'd have done the same thing had it been up to me. It's not what he said about Obambam, it's that he may be hampered by his opinion's in his performance of embassy security.

[red states rule]

I'll contribute my 2 cents ...

High security positions require folks that can focus on the job and have the mental discipline to not allow their opinions to interfere in their job performance. I think the embassy and the employer saw this as the issue and are looking into whether it's a security issue for the embassy. I'd have done the same thing had it been up to me. It's not what he said about Obambam, it's that he may be hampered by his opinion's in his performance of embassy security.

I have read nothing to show his job performance would be impacted by his opinion. I do not like Obama, but I would not stand by and allow any harm to come to him

Much like the Dems want to bring back the Fairness Doctrine to silence opposing viewpoints on the radio - I feel this guy was not only told to shut up, but was fired for his political opinions

[Silver]

Its amusing how the moron from Maine attempts to throw shit into the thread and confuse the issue when he can't win an argument on the merits....

He tries to label the security guard a member of the military

He tries to make the guard an employee of the White House

He tries to bring the UCMJ into play

He tries to claim the guard works for the executive branch of government

He tries to compare a marine guard at the white house to this civilian security guard

Then in a backhanded way, admits he is wrong on all accounts and has the balls to say,....

"what are you talking about?

What did I say that was WRONG?"

Its freekin' laughable....:lol:

[red states rule]

Its amusing how the moron from Maine attempts to throw shit into the thread and confuse the issue when he can't win an argument on the merits....

He tries to label the security guard a member of the military

He tries to make the guard an employee of the White House

He tries to bring the UCMJ into play

He tries to claim the guard works for the executive branch of government

He tries to compare a marine guard at the white house to this civilian security guard

Then in a backhanded way, admits he is wrong on all accounts and has the balls to say,....

"what are you talking about?

What did I say that was WRONG?"

Its freekin' laughable....:lol:

Tried to rep you Silver - but could not. Conmanfrommaine is getting very predictable and very boring

[Des]

If his opinion and posting of it online couldn't interfere with his job, then no, he shouldn't be punished. I don't know the rules and regulations he has to abide by for his job. If he broke one of them or somehow compromised the security of where he worked, that could be the real issue. I don't know the details.

It seems like it would be common sense not to post certain things online. Like...I would never post a video of one of my kids getting hit in the head with a ball or something online. Even though my intention may be to show something that randomly happened, it could still be taken the wrong way and I could risk someone investigating me for it.

[red states rule]

If his opinion and posting of it online couldn't interfere with his job, then no, he shouldn't be punished. I don't know the rules and regulations he has to abide by for his job. If he broke one of them or somehow compromised the security of where he worked, that could be the real issue. I don't know the details.

It seems like it would be common sense not to post certain things online. Like...I would never post a video of one of my kids getting hit in the head with a ball or something online. Even though my intention may be to show something that randomly happened, it could still be taken the wrong way and I could risk someone investigating me for it.

From whatt I have read there is nothing to show his ability to do his job was in question

Yet former Dem Presidents and other liberals, can rip America and the current President on foreign soil and they called heros by the same liberals who are happy to see this man lose his job

[Mr. P]

I have read nothing to show his job performance would be impacted by his opinion. I do not like Obama, but I would not stand by and allow any harm to come to him

Much like the Dems want to bring back the Fairness Doctrine to silence opposing viewpoints on the radio - I feel this guy was not only told to shut up, but was fired for his political opinions

Have you ever been involved in a high security environment? Have you ever undergone an extensive personal background investigation, by say the FBI, Secret Service and NSA? They're not looking for a squeaky clean criminal background alone. They get into yer head too, with good reason.

I disagree that this is about his political opinions..and has he been fired or is the situation still being investigated?

I may feel a tad different if this guy was just a pion but didn't I read he was the head honcho?

[red states rule]

Have you ever been involved in a high security environment? Have you ever undergone an extensive personal background investigation, by say the FBI, Secret Service and NSA? They're not looking for a squeaky clean criminal background alone. They get into yer head too, with good reason.

I disagree that this is about his political opinions..and has he been fired or is the situation still being investigated?

I may feel a tad different if this guy was just a pion but didn't I read he was the head honcho?

Even President elect obama could not pass a background check given his background and friends

The attitude of the people who fired this guy was how dare this idiot say ANYTHING bad about The Obama - the savior of the world

and I wonder what happened to the liberal notion that it was patriotic to criticize your leaders? That must have changed the second Obama won the election