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stephanie
11-15-2008, 10:41 AM
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November 14, 2008 - 11:23PM
Presidential candidate Alan Keyes, AIP leaders sue in CA court to obtain Obama citizenship proof, stop Secretary of State from certifying Electors
Presidential candidate Alan Keyes, vice-presidential candidate Wiley S. Drake, and the Chairman of the American Independent Party, Markham Robinson, have filed suit in California Superior Court in Sacramento seeking to bar Secretary of State Debra Bowen from certifying to Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger the names of Electors, and from transmitting to each presidential Elector a Certificate of Election, until documentary proof is produced and verified showing that Senator Obama is a “natural born” citizen of the United States, and does not hold citizenship of Indonesia, Kenya or Great Britain.
In addition, they have asked that the court issue a peremptory writ barring Senator Obama’s California Electors from signing the Certificate of Vote until such documentary proof is produced and verified.
In response to questions about why the suit was being filed, Ambassador Keyes commented, “I and others are concerned that this issue be properly investigated and decided before Senator Obama takes office. Otherwise there will be a serious doubt as to the legitimacy of his tenure. This doubt would also affect the respect people have for the Constitution as the supreme law of the land. I hope the issue can be quickly clarified so that the new President can take office under no shadow of doubt. This will be good for him and for the nation.”
read the rest..
http://www.chipleypaper.com/news/presidential_2528___article.html/proof_obama.html
Trigg
11-15-2008, 10:45 AM
Finally.
This needs to be cleared up before a transfer of power takes place.
avatar4321
11-15-2008, 11:34 AM
Case is going to be thrown out. I doubt Keyes has standing to bring the suit.
5stringJeff
11-15-2008, 11:49 AM
How can anyone in America not have standing to determine whether or not someone is qualified to be President?
AlbumAddict
11-15-2008, 02:55 PM
You would assume that anyone running for president would do so only if qualified. But, having a working knowledge of politics and what happens when you assume, I would still make the point that the RNP or the McCain campaign has probably looked into this on some level already and I seriously doubt there will be any surprises.
Trigg
11-15-2008, 04:37 PM
With my tinfoil hat firmly in place I'll tell you what I think.
The Dem's are desperate to regain the White House. They're going to fight the release of bambams birth certificate until after the inauguration. At that point Biden can be named as President.
If the news comes out before then, we have McCain as the winner and the Dem's and the MSM don't want that to happen.
I'll tell you one thing. If it turns out that Obama, with powerful help, is hiding his legitimacy and we get Biden as Pres. I don't want to hear ever again that the republicans stole the 2004 election.
i agree jeff, the standing rulings have been completely erroneous, however, avi is probably right, the court might just rule that way. if i remember correctly, didn't one of the courts (mccain or obama decision) say that another candidate for office has standing?
avatar4321
11-15-2008, 05:33 PM
i agree jeff, the standing rulings have been completely erroneous, however, avi is probably right, the court might just rule that way. if i remember correctly, didn't one of the courts (mccain or obama decision) say that another candidate for office has standing?
Would Keyes count as a candidate? Im skeptical.
Would Keyes count as a candidate? Im skeptical.
why not...
http://www.alankeyes.com/
avatar4321
11-15-2008, 06:16 PM
why not...
http://www.alankeyes.com/
Was he on any Ballots November 4th?
Was he on any Ballots November 4th?
i don't think that means he is not a candidate. there are arcane rules for getting on a ballot and there is always the:
write in: ______________________
imo, if you run, put yourself out as running for president, you are a candidate.
theHawk
11-15-2008, 06:34 PM
With my tinfoil hat firmly in place I'll tell you what I think.
The Dem's are desperate to regain the White House. They're going to fight the release of bambams birth certificate until after the inauguration. At that point Biden can be named as President.
If the news comes out before then, we have McCain as the winner and the Dem's and the MSM don't want that to happen.
I'll tell you one thing. If it turns out that Obama, with powerful help, is hiding his legitimacy and we get Biden as Pres. I don't want to hear ever again that the republicans stole the 2004 election.
If it actually did come out that Obammy is not a natural citizen AND the law was actually followed, I don't think it would make McCain the winner. There would have to be a special election held, or Biden would take the office.
If it actually did come out that Obammy is not a natural citizen AND the law was actually followed, I don't think it would make McCain the winner. There would have to be a special election held, or Biden would take the office.
and botox and hair plugs would be every americans right :laugh2:
No1tovote4
11-15-2008, 07:49 PM
Case is going to be thrown out. I doubt Keyes has standing to bring the suit.
Sure he does, he was a candidate as well. Any candidate can reaasonably show that he has a stake in the outcome of an election.
No1tovote4
11-15-2008, 07:49 PM
If it actually did come out that Obammy is not a natural citizen AND the law was actually followed, I don't think it would make McCain the winner. There would have to be a special election held, or Biden would take the office.
Well, it would make it so the electoral college would have to actually do as they are supposed to and vote for President. If it happened before the electoral college meeting.
Imagine if just days before the Inauguration we found out that the American people had been hoaxed...
retiredman
11-15-2008, 08:03 PM
i don't think that means he is not a candidate. there are arcane rules for getting on a ballot and there is always the:
write in: ______________________
imo, if you run, put yourself out as running for president, you are a candidate.
as an attorney, what do you think the chances are that five supreme court justices would share that opinion?
Mr. P
11-15-2008, 08:07 PM
No person except a natural born Citizen... neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years...
I don't understand why this is NOT officially verified when a candidate registers to run. It seems someone who could become the leader of the most powerful nation on the globe endures less pre-qualification than the average citizen who just wants to buy a gun.
retiredman
11-15-2008, 08:11 PM
I don't understand why this is NOT officially verified when a candidate registers to run. It seems someone who could become the leader of the most powerful nation on the globe endures less pre-qualification than the average citizen who just wants to buy a gun.
what makes you think that is hasn't been verified?
as an attorney, what do you think the chances are that five supreme court justices would share that opinion?
i have no idea.
why?
do you dispute that keyes is a candidate? what is the purpose of your question? if you have law that says keyes is a not a candidate, ok.
retiredman
11-15-2008, 08:31 PM
i have no idea.
why?
do you dispute that keyes is a candidate? what is the purpose of your question? if you have law that says keyes is a not a candidate, ok.
I don't think Keyes IS a candidate.... and I don't think that you have any law that says that candidates have any greater right of access to those sorts of documents than other non-family members.
Mr. P
11-15-2008, 08:33 PM
what makes you think that is hasn't been verified?
It would not still be a issue if it had been..I think an official would have come forward long ago and announce..here's the process we use to verify qualification to run...he met all of them....Got any proof that happened..post it up.
retiredman
11-15-2008, 08:35 PM
It would not still be a issue if it had been..I think an official would have come forward long ago and announce..here's the process we use to verify qualification to run...he met all of them....Got any proof that happened..post it up.
got any proof that it didn't? post it up
Immanuel
11-15-2008, 08:36 PM
Isn't it is the responsibility of the Secretary of the State (in each state) to certify that a candidate is eligible to be placed on the ballot in his/her state? It seems to me that if there really is any question about his eligibility, and I am still not convinced that there isn't, then each of the Secretaries should have told him to produce evidence of his eligibility or sit out of the election in his/her state.
Especially after Hawaii sealed the birth certificate. Had I been the Secretary of State, I would have required him to proof it with legal documentation or his name would not appear on my state's ballot.
And, if it turns out that he is not eligible, each one of those secretaries of state did not do their jobs and should be removed from office immediately.
Immie
I don't understand why this is NOT officially verified when a candidate registers to run. It seems someone who could become the leader of the most powerful nation on the globe endures less pre-qualification than the average citizen who just wants to buy a gun.
:lol:
now that is a good point
Mr. P
11-15-2008, 08:41 PM
got any proof that it didn't? post it up
Another non-answer.
Another non-answer.
par for the course
AlbumAddict
11-15-2008, 08:59 PM
Isn't it is the responsibility of the Secretary of the State (in each state) to certify that a candidate is eligible to be placed on the ballot in his/her state? It seems to me that if there really is any question about his eligibility, and I am still not convinced that there isn't, then each of the Secretaries should have told him to produce evidence of his eligibility or sit out of the election in his/her state.
Especially after Hawaii sealed the birth certificate. Had I been the Secretary of State, I would have required him to proof it with legal documentation or his name would not appear on my state's ballot.
And, if it turns out that he is not eligible, each one of those secretaries of state did not do their jobs and should be removed from office immediately.
Immie
I think you're my favorite person here! Everytime I want to answer, you've already spoken my thoughts....kudos to you!!! :clap:
retiredman
11-15-2008, 09:12 PM
Another non-answer.
another non-answer... all you offered was your thoughts on the subject... no proof. got any?
AlbumAddict
11-15-2008, 09:23 PM
another non-answer... all you offered was your thoughts on the subject... no proof. got any?
Actually, someone already said (sorry I don't remember who) that if proof of his citizenship situation had already been provided, it's highly unlikely it would have gotten to this point.
Obviously no proof exists on either side...yet. It's being legally reviewed, when that's done...there will be proof, don'cha think?
Just for clarity...are people not supposed to post their own thoughts on here? I don't remember seeing that in the rules anywhere. Frankly, I care more about what you people think than I do what the media thinks or political advisors/consultants. Of the ones I've met, you all have much more intelligence and viable ideas. Just my two cents!
Silver
11-15-2008, 09:27 PM
another non-answer... all you offered was your thoughts on the subject... no proof. got any?
You have no proof for your opinion and he has no proof for his...whats your point?
retiredman
11-15-2008, 09:27 PM
Actually, someone already said (sorry I don't remember who) that if proof of his citizenship situation had already been provided, it's highly unlikely it would have gotten to this point.
Obviously no proof exists on either side...yet. It's being legally reviewed, when that's done...there will be proof, don'cha think?
Just for clarity...are people not supposed to post their own thoughts on here? I don't remember seeing that in the rules anywhere. Frankly, I care more about what you people think than I do what the media thinks or political advisors/consultants. Of the ones I've met, you all have much more intelligence and viable ideas. Just my two cents!
I do not agree with you. I do not think that Obama even cares to dignify this crap with any sort of response...and certainly not a compliant one.
He knows full well that he is a US citizen and if I were him, I wouldn't give ANYONE the time of day who tried to question that. My guess is: the documents in Hawaii are all the proof he needs and he knows he need not show them to anyone until some court orders him to do so...and until they do, he won't bother with it.
Silver
11-15-2008, 09:42 PM
I do not agree with you. I do not think that Obama even cares to dignify this crap with any sort of response...and certainly not a compliant one.
He knows full well that he is a US citizen and if I were him, I wouldn't give ANYONE the time of day who tried to question that. My guess is: the documents in Hawaii are all the proof he needs and he knows he need not show them to anyone until some court orders him to do so...and until they do, he won't bother with it.
so anyone can run for US president and his qualifications CAN'T be questioned unless or until a court orders it....it that what your saying?
Immanuel
11-15-2008, 09:42 PM
I do not agree with you. I do not think that Obama even cares to dignify this crap with any sort of response...and certainly not a compliant one.
He knows full well that he is a US citizen and if I were him, I wouldn't give ANYONE the time of day who tried to question that. My guess is: the documents in Hawaii are all the proof he needs and he knows he need not show them to anyone until some court orders him to do so...and until they do, he won't bother with it.
Arnold Schwartzeneggar is a U.S. Citizen. He is not eligible to be President because of where he was born. My guess is Old Arnold has an American passport. He still is not eligible to be President. It is possible that Barack Obama is an American citizen yet he still is not constitutionally eligible to be President of the United States. His devious attempt to hide whatever they truth may be, only leads to speculation.
Immie
stephanie
11-15-2008, 09:43 PM
it's ok for the little Marxist to not have to dignify himself and prove something to us American citizens who are asking ...
there is a reason why they are fighting this beside just have to be "undignified"...
and they accused President Bush of being "secretive"
krisy
11-15-2008, 09:43 PM
Does anyone really believe that there is a judge anywhere that would have the balls to rule on Keyes behalf? I'm not saying that Obama IS a citizen,that I don't know. But after an election where he won the popular vote,I really don't think it matters what anyone comes up with,they will throw it out,for fear of starting a HUGE outrage.
retiredman
11-15-2008, 09:45 PM
it's ok for the little Marxist to not have to dignify himself and prove something to us American citizens who are asking ...
there is a reason why they are fighting this beside just have to be "undignified"...
and they accused President Bush of being "secretive"
that is your opinion. I don't share it.
No1tovote4
11-15-2008, 09:49 PM
another non-answer... all you offered was your thoughts on the subject... no proof. got any?
Because the courts are not rejecting it out of hand because of evidence provided. Obama even had the records specifically sealed in HI. It's not hard to understand that many records have not been provided that any other candidate would have been expected to provide.
Mr. P
11-15-2008, 09:50 PM
Does anyone really believe that there is a judge anywhere that would have the balls to rule on Keyes behalf? I'm not saying that Obama IS a citizen,that I don't know. But after an election where he won the popular vote,I really don't think it matters what anyone comes up with,they will throw it out,for fear of starting a HUGE outrage.
Every Judge anywhere should do so, rule that is. That's why they're there..justice, blind and all that stuff..if they can't do the job they are sworn to do they need to be removed.
stephanie
11-15-2008, 09:51 PM
that is your opinion. I don't share it.
well, duh.
AlbumAddict
11-15-2008, 11:26 PM
I do not agree with you. I do not think that Obama even cares to dignify this crap with any sort of response...and certainly not a compliant one.
He knows full well that he is a US citizen and if I were him, I wouldn't give ANYONE the time of day who tried to question that. My guess is: the documents in Hawaii are all the proof he needs and he knows he need not show them to anyone until some court orders him to do so...and until they do, he won't bother with it.
ok...not sure how that's a disagreement. When I said no proof either way, I obviously meant available to the public. Of course there's proof, but it's up to the courts to verify it or not.
I do not agree with you. I do not think that Obama even cares to dignify this crap with any sort of response...and certainly not a compliant one.
He knows full well that he is a US citizen and if I were him, I wouldn't give ANYONE the time of day who tried to question that. My guess is: the documents in Hawaii are all the proof he needs and he knows he need not show them to anyone until some court orders him to do so...and until they do, he won't bother with it.
:lol:
:link::link::link:
he waits for a court....LOL....what a leader
stephanie
11-16-2008, 12:12 AM
this is a sign for how he is going to be our President..he doesn't have to answer to us..it's undignified for him..
he's just a punk and a thug ...he believe us all to be a bunch of selfish ignorant peons as it is.
emmett
11-16-2008, 12:42 AM
Who cares.... he's the prez now and that is that! Quit being bad sports and concentrate on the issues, the efforts will be better served.
Who cares.... he's the prez now and that is that! Quit being bad sports and concentrate on the issues, the efforts will be better served.
no he is not, he is not even PE...
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November 14, 2008 - 11:23PM
Presidential candidate Alan Keyes, AIP leaders sue in CA court to obtain Obama citizenship proof, stop Secretary of State from certifying Electors
Presidential candidate Alan Keyes, vice-presidential candidate Wiley S. Drake, and the Chairman of the American Independent Party, Markham Robinson, have filed suit in California Superior Court in Sacramento seeking to bar Secretary of State Debra Bowen from certifying to Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger the names of Electors, and from transmitting to each presidential Elector a Certificate of Election, until documentary proof is produced and verified showing that Senator Obama is a “natural born” citizen of the United States, and does not hold citizenship of Indonesia, Kenya or Great Britain.
In addition, they have asked that the court issue a peremptory writ barring Senator Obama’s California Electors from signing the Certificate of Vote until such documentary proof is produced and verified.
In response to questions about why the suit was being filed, Ambassador Keyes commented, “I and others are concerned that this issue be properly investigated and decided before Senator Obama takes office. Otherwise there will be a serious doubt as to the legitimacy of his tenure. This doubt would also affect the respect people have for the Constitution as the supreme law of the land. I hope the issue can be quickly clarified so that the new President can take office under no shadow of doubt. This will be good for him and for the nation.”
read the rest..
http://www.chipleypaper.com/news/presidential_2528___article.html/proof_obama.html
This is deffinitely needed, and the right way to go about it. But I have zero faith in the court in Sacrameto. I don't think they'll order any documents opened and Obama will skate into office without anyone ever knowing for sure if he was or wasn't eligible to hold the office of President of the United States of America. The liberal media will spin it as just another rabid right wing witch hunt, demonize those pushing for the truth, and then drop it like a hot potato.
Obamas birth certificate has already been released in response to allegations his middle name was "Hussein", as well as his marriage license, etc. His certificate was from Hawaii (sp?), which is a notoriously hard place to obtain a copy of a birth certificate from.
April15
11-16-2008, 05:02 PM
Presidential candidate Alan Keyes, AIP leaders sue in CA court to obtain Obama citizenship proof, stop Secretary of State from certifying Electors
Fenton, MI – November 14, 2008
Presidential candidate Alan Keyes, vice-presidential candidate Wiley S. Drake, and the Chairman of the American Independent Party, Markham Robinson, have filed suit in California Superior Court in Sacramento seeking to bar Secretary of State Debra Bowen from certifying to Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger the names of Electors, and from transmitting to each presidential Elector a Certificate of Election, until documentary proof is produced and verified showing that Senator Obama is a “natural born” citizen of the United States, and does not hold citizenship of Indonesia, Kenya or Great Britain.
In addition, they have asked that the court issue a peremptory writ barring Senator Obama’s California Electors from signing the Certificate of Vote until such documentary proof is produced and verified.
In response to questions about why the suit was being filed, Ambassador Alan Keyes commented, “I and others are concerned that this issue be properly investigated and decided before Senator Obama takes office. Otherwise there will be a serious doubt as to the legitimacy of his tenure. This doubt would also affect the respect people have for the Constitution as the supreme law of the land. I hope the issue can be quickly clarified so that the new President can take office under no shadow of doubt. This will be good for him and for the nation.”
Former Reagan administration official Ambassador Alan Keyes and Wiley S. Drake were the 2008 presidential and vice-presidential nominees of the American Independent Party, which is the California affiliate of the new national America’s Independent Party.
Mission Viejo, California attorney Dr. Orly Taitz and United States Justice Foundation Executive Director Gary Kreep are representing the plaintiffs in this case.
Copies of the court filing, along with further information concerning developments in this case, will be made available at www.AIPNEWS.com, or can be obtained by contacting AIP national chairman Tom Hoefling at tomhoefling@gmail.com.
Attachments
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Attachments Keyes obama CA lawsuit press release final.doc (24KB - 7 downloads)
To see the press release you must be a member.
AlbumAddict
11-16-2008, 05:03 PM
Obamas birth certificate has already been released in response to allegations his middle name was "Hussein", as well as his marriage license, etc. His certificate was from Hawaii (sp?), which is a notoriously hard place to obtain a copy of a birth certificate from.
:link: and welcome!!
April15
11-16-2008, 05:10 PM
http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
Looks like one to me!
Looks like one to me!
Right, it looks like one. But how on earth is anyone to know that's for real? Anyone half assed good at photoshop could have made that up. What hospital was it? Where's the delivering doctor's signature, and the certified notaries seal? Mine has all that. Furthermore, that sure the hell doesn't look like a document that's been scanned. I think it's as fake as a three dollar bill. Course I expected we'd see this sort of garbage. Alan Keys has to sue in California State court to get this, and you just pop it up online like it was nothing to obtain it. I don't think so.
Sitarro
11-16-2008, 05:24 PM
http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
Looks like one to me!
African is a race? Is European a race? How about Australian? North American? Antartican? :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:
Obamas birth certificate has already been released in response to allegations his middle name was "Hussein", as well as his marriage license, etc. His certificate was from Hawaii (sp?), which is a notoriously hard place to obtain a copy of a birth certificate from.
sorry, not so. obama is supposedly a harvard trained lawyer, he shoudl therefore know the best evidence rule...his electronic copy would not hold up in court as the state of hawaii has said an original exists...as such, obama should not rely on this non-conformed copy when he can just as easily produce a conformed copy of the original which would make it a true and correct copy.
but no, obama is hiding something or else merely giving us all the finger.
AlbumAddict
11-16-2008, 05:29 PM
African is a race? Is European a race? How about Australian? North American? Antartican? :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:
What about the fact that the revision date at the bottom is Nov of 2001?
What about the fact that the revision date at the bottom is Nov of 2001?
that merely means the form was approved/adopted in 2001....surely you don't think they had those kinds of computer forms in 1961
Mr. P
11-16-2008, 05:37 PM
http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
Looks like one to me!
Well, anyone with two brain cells to rub together would ask..why redact the certificate number unless there's something to hide or it's a fake?
And then there's the fact the document has been locked from the public about three weeks ago by Hawaii.
WHY?
Well, anyone with two brain cells to rub together would ask..why redact the certificate number unless there's something to hide or it's a fake?
And then there's the fact the document has been locked from the public about three weeks ago by Hawaii.
WHY?
Obama is hiding something, plain and simple, as the libs feverishly work on a forgery that will stand up to the scrutiny.
April15
11-16-2008, 07:15 PM
State officials in Hawaii declare Obama birth certificate genuine
HONOLULU - State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.
31/10/2008 8:53:00 PM
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.
Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently.
She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.
Some Obama critics claim he was not born in the United States.
Earlier Friday, a southwest Ohio magistrate rejected a challenge to Obama's citizenship.
Judges in Seattle and Philadelphia recently dismissed similar suits.
Copyright The Canadian Press
yay, why then does obama refuse to post up a copy...
why
DragonStryk72
11-16-2008, 07:23 PM
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November 14, 2008 - 11:23PM
Presidential candidate Alan Keyes, AIP leaders sue in CA court to obtain Obama citizenship proof, stop Secretary of State from certifying Electors
Presidential candidate Alan Keyes, vice-presidential candidate Wiley S. Drake, and the Chairman of the American Independent Party, Markham Robinson, have filed suit in California Superior Court in Sacramento seeking to bar Secretary of State Debra Bowen from certifying to Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger the names of Electors, and from transmitting to each presidential Elector a Certificate of Election, until documentary proof is produced and verified showing that Senator Obama is a “natural born” citizen of the United States, and does not hold citizenship of Indonesia, Kenya or Great Britain.
In addition, they have asked that the court issue a peremptory writ barring Senator Obama’s California Electors from signing the Certificate of Vote until such documentary proof is produced and verified.
In response to questions about why the suit was being filed, Ambassador Keyes commented, “I and others are concerned that this issue be properly investigated and decided before Senator Obama takes office. Otherwise there will be a serious doubt as to the legitimacy of his tenure. This doubt would also affect the respect people have for the Constitution as the supreme law of the land. I hope the issue can be quickly clarified so that the new President can take office under no shadow of doubt. This will be good for him and for the nation.”
read the rest..
http://www.chipleypaper.com/news/presidential_2528___article.html/proof_obama.html
Are you fucking kidding me?! Didn't we just go through this crap run a few weeks ago? It's over, seriously, it's already been taken care of, it's done, and again, why does this ambassador get to see his personal files? Seriously, they need to get lives
AlbumAddict
11-16-2008, 07:30 PM
Obama is hiding something, plain and simple, as the libs feverishly work on a forgery that will stand up to the scrutiny.
Is it time to move this thread over to the Conspiracy Theory Forum?
:laugh2:
DragonStryk72
11-16-2008, 07:34 PM
Right, it looks like one. But how on earth is anyone to know that's for real? Anyone half assed good at photoshop could have made that up. What hospital was it? Where's the delivering doctor's signature, and the certified notaries seal? Mine has all that. Furthermore, that sure the hell doesn't look like a document that's been scanned. I think it's as fake as a three dollar bill. Course I expected we'd see this sort of garbage. Alan Keys has to sue in California State court to get this, and you just pop it up online like it was nothing to obtain it. I don't think so.
It really doesn't occur to you that this is a bullshit delay tactic, does it? But how do we know your Birth Certificate says "all that", as you put it. You'll just have to send us all your original, fully certified birth certificate as proof. I mean, that's just how you do it in America, random people with no actual say order you to do something, you damn well do it, right?
Guess that's why we still go by, "God Save the Queen" here, huh?
No1tovote4
11-16-2008, 07:35 PM
Did you know that the word of a bureaucrat is not proof, like an uncertified computer file also isn't proof?
AlbumAddict
11-16-2008, 08:01 PM
that merely means the form was approved/adopted in 2001....surely you don't think they had those kinds of computer forms in 1961
I was simply pointing out it couldn't be a scanned "original" as some people on here seemed convinced of. I feel quite confident that there were no such computerized forms in '61. But thanks for questioning my intelligence. :coffee:
I was simply pointing out it couldn't be a scanned "original" as some people on here seemed convinced of. I feel quite confident that there were no such computerized forms in '61. But thanks for questioning my intelligence. :coffee:
you asked the question:
What about the fact that the revision date at the bottom is Nov of 2001?
i answered.
AlbumAddict
11-16-2008, 08:12 PM
But how do we know your Birth Certificate says "all that", as you put it. You'll just have to send us all your original, fully certified birth certificate as proof. I mean, that's just how you do it in America, random people with no actual say order you to do something, you damn well do it, right?
I'm gonna guess that Hull isn't applying for a job in which natural citizenship is a prerequisite. And if that was the case...then yes, I think the person or persons who would be paying the applicant's salary have every right to verify the required credentials.
In fact, a very similar thing happened here on a local level. A man was elected to our city council and he stated on his application that he had a Bachelor's Degree. Someone (a citizen) questioned it and it turns out...while he attended, he never finished his degree.
So, all said and done, when you run for a position where your salary is paid for by tax-paying citizens, then you're damn right we have a right to know if the applicant is lying or not. Let alone whether or not he meets the legal and constitutional requirements for the job.
Think about Little League for a minute. Where I live you have to practically bring the doctor that birthed the child to prove the kid's the right age to play. Why shouldn't a presidential candidate, ANY candidate, undergo scrutiny if there is an issue in question?
Psychoblues
11-16-2008, 11:11 PM
What is this? 50 threads on this same issue?!?!!?!?!??!?!?!?! Another poster had it correct. Kick crap like this into the Conspiracy Forum. All other forums are inappropriate for this kind of insanity. But, it is entertaining!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:
Psychoblues
why don't you write your dear leader and find out why he hasn't produced a copy of the original...
it is not a conspiracy...the original exists, according to hawaii gov and obama won't produce it....
he could end this in one minute, but he is either hiding something or doesn't care because his cult followers like you will back him up no matter
Psychoblues
11-16-2008, 11:19 PM
You don't understand strategy, yuk.
why don't you write your dear leader and find out why he hasn't produced a copy of the original...
it is not a conspiracy...the original exists, according to hawaii gov and obama won't produce it....
he could end this in one minute, but he is either hiding something or doesn't care because his cult followers like you will back him up no matter
I thought you claim to be a lawyer or someone with intelligence?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Psychoblues
stephanie
11-16-2008, 11:24 PM
I don't give a shit, you call me a tin foil hat wearer..
I have a birth certificate from Hawaii and it doesn't look anything like that fake piece of crap that is posted..
and since when has a fathers race been "African"??
I am his boss and I demand he show his ORIGINAL birth certificate.
Mr. P
11-16-2008, 11:24 PM
You don't understand strategy, yuk.
I thought you claim to be a lawyer or someone with intelligence?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Psychoblues
What strategy is there in withholding qualifying information that would prove a candidates legitimacy.
You don't understand strategy, yuk.
I thought you claim to be a lawyer or someone with intelligence?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Psychoblues
please stop insulting me and purposefully misspelling my user name...and stick to the topic
thank you
Psychoblues
11-16-2008, 11:39 PM
It keeps the idiots concentrated on mundane and ineffective political arguments and away from the issues.
What strategy is there in withholding qualifying information that would prove a candidates legitimacy.
The idiots aren't really concerned about the issues anyway. Keep spending your money and your time and pissing down your legs about these self proclaimed issues and leave the real ones to the adults. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Psychoblues
stephanie
11-16-2008, 11:43 PM
It keeps the idiots concentrated on mundane and ineffective political arguments and away from the issues.
The idiots aren't really concerned about the issues anyway. Keep spending your money and your time and pissing down your legs about these self proclaimed issues and leave the real ones to the adults. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Psychoblues
:rolleyes::rolleyes:
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
manu1959
11-16-2008, 11:43 PM
yes.........what difference does it make if the president of our country can not prove he is a citizen...
Mr. P
11-16-2008, 11:47 PM
It keeps the idiots concentrated on mundane and ineffective political arguments and away from the issues.
The idiots aren't really concerned about the issues anyway. Keep spending your money and your time and pissing down your legs about these self proclaimed issues and leave the real ones to the adults. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Psychoblues
You think folks are that dumb do ya? Well, maybe where you live they are. Most of the country is very aware of the issues at hand and that there are qualifiers to be elected. This isn't going away.
No1tovote4
11-16-2008, 11:51 PM
You think folks are that dumb do ya? Well, maybe where you live they are. Most of the country is very aware of the issues at hand and that there are qualifiers to be elected. This isn't going away.
Liberals believe that all people are like them and only capable of one thought at a time.
You see it constantly in one form or another...
They'll tell you that we shouldn't be talking about abortion because there is a war going on...
They'll tell you that we shouldn't talk about *insert favorite topic here* because we should concentrate on people going hungry in the US...
They are totally incapable of realizing that one can talk on this conversation while still caring about and paying attention to other issues as well.
;)
Psychoblues
11-16-2008, 11:51 PM
99.9% and probably more than that of America thinks you are full of shit, P.
You think folks are that dumb do ya? Well, maybe where you live they are. Most of the country is very aware of the issues at hand and that there are qualifiers to be elected. This isn't going away.
But, carry on with your pissing down your legs and chasing your already teeth worn tails.
Psychoblues
Is it time to move this thread over to the Conspiracy Theory Forum?
:laugh2:
I guess that's where it'll have to go if no one ever gets to lay their eyes on a real copy. We'll never know.
It really doesn't occur to you that this is a bullshit delay tactic, does it? But how do we know your Birth Certificate says "all that", as you put it. You'll just have to send us all your original, fully certified birth certificate as proof. I mean, that's just how you do it in America, random people with no actual say order you to do something, you damn well do it, right?
Guess that's why we still go by, "God Save the Queen" here, huh?
If I was the President elect, you can bet your ass I'd produce it, and so would you.
It's got nothing to do with your queen, it's called the Freedom of Information Act. Wise up.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Liberals believe that all people are like them and only capable of one thought at a time.
You see it constantly in one form or another...
They'll tell you that we shouldn't be talking about abortion because there is a war going on...
They'll tell you that we shouldn't talk about *insert favorite topic here* because we should concentrate on people going hungry in the US...
They are totally incapable of realizing that one can talk on this conversation while still caring about and paying attention to other issues as well.
;)
I disagree. I tend to side more with liberals (on most issues), and I know full well how to care about more than one issue.
Generalizing makes you miss out on the potential to share information with other intelligent people.
stephanie
11-17-2008, 11:48 AM
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
man are you dense..
I wouldn't believe factcheck if their tongue came notarized..
man are you dense..
I wouldn't believe factcheck if their tongue came notarized..
You prefer mass emails?
stephanie
11-17-2008, 12:04 PM
You prefer mass emails?
I prefer he SHOW US HIS ORGINAL COPY..
not so damn hard to do..unless there's something on it he doesn't want us AMERICAN citizens to see..
I prefer he SHOW US HIS ORGINAL COPY..
not so damn hard to do..unless there's something on it he doesn't want us AMERICAN citizens to see..
Obtaining a birth certificate from Hawaii is notoriously hard. And in some places, depending on where you are born, you might not have what is considered an "original copy". Here, they issue a "mothers copy" and all others are $10 print-outs with the seal. My birth certificate was issued directly at the hospital I was born in. Some people aren't born in hospitals. Some birth certificates get lost, especially in mixed families. For every conspiracy theory, there is a possible explanation on the other side, ?
http://genealogy.about.com/od/vital_records/p/hawaii.htm
stephanie
11-17-2008, 12:45 PM
Obtaining a birth certificate from Hawaii is notoriously hard. And in some places, depending on where you are born, you might not have what is considered an "original copy". Here, they issue a "mothers copy" and all others are $10 print-outs with the seal. My birth certificate was issued directly at the hospital I was born in. Some people aren't born in hospitals. Some birth certificates get lost, especially in mixed families. For every conspiracy theory, there is a possible explanation on the other side, ?
http://genealogy.about.com/od/vital_records/p/hawaii.htm
when has someones race ever been-"African"?
when has someones race ever been-"African"?
I believe Obamas father is African.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/RaceCodeList.pdf
The cdc has a code for both African and African-American. (#202)
stephanie
11-17-2008, 12:53 PM
I believe Obamas father is African.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/RaceCodeList.pdf
The cdc has a code for both African and African-American. (#202)
when have you ever seen on a birth certificate the race of a black person as AFRICIAN?
and what is the link you provided suppose to prove?
are you working for the little Marxists administration?
when have you ever seen on a birth certificate the race of a black person as AFRICIAN?
and what is the link you provided suppose to prove?
are you working for the little Marxists administration?
Putting African as the race is valid. The link I provided shows the governments codes for races placed on birth certificates. Since when was "African-American" a race, anyway? It proves that African is a valid way to describe race on a birth certificate, that's what it proves, from cdc.gov. Unless you believe NCHS has a marxist agenda, too.
stephanie
11-17-2008, 01:24 PM
Putting African as the race is valid. The link I provided shows the governments codes for races placed on birth certificates. Since when was "African-American" a race, anyway? It proves that African is a valid way to describe race on a birth certificate, that's what it proves, from cdc.gov. Unless you believe NCHS has a marxist agenda, too.
if he doesn't have the original birth certificate, why has he hired lawyers to fight him having to show it?
bull..
It's not. Go to the website, look up the codes, see for yourself. It's all there.
stephanie
11-17-2008, 01:29 PM
It's not. Go to the website, look up the codes, see for yourself. It's all there.
I tired, I couldn't get on the site..
I tired, I couldn't get on the site..
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/RaceCodeList.pdf
(try going to www.cdc.gov, then the NCHS section, then type in "race code list" in the search box in the upper right hand corner, it should be the first link that comes up)
Putting African as the race is valid. The link I provided shows the governments codes for races placed on birth certificates. Since when was "African-American" a race, anyway? It proves that African is a valid way to describe race on a birth certificate, that's what it proves, from cdc.gov. Unless you believe NCHS has a marxist agenda, too.
the link you provided is for the year 2006....what evidence do you have that the same identification codes existed in HA in 1961...or if did exist, that HA used a similar code?
your link does not prove your point
the link you provided is for the year 2006....what evidence do you have that the same identification codes existed in HA in 1961...or if did exist, that HA used a similar code?
your link does not prove your point
It proves that a valid government resource recognizes "African" as a valid word to put in to the "race" section of a birth certificate, which was the question I was trying to answer:
"Since when is African considered a race?"
It proves plenty, unless you have something specific saying that in 1961, HA didn't allow "African" as a race on their birth certificates?
retiredman
11-17-2008, 02:04 PM
It proves that a valid government resource recognizes "African" as a valid word to put in to the "race" section of a birth certificate, which was the question I was trying to answer:
"Since when is African considered a race?"
It proves plenty, unless you have something specific saying that in 1961, HA didn't allow "African" as a race on their birth certificates?
great question.
It proves that a valid government resource recognizes "African" as a valid word to put in to the "race" section of a birth certificate, which was the question I was trying to answer:
"Since when is African considered a race?"
It proves plenty, unless you have something specific saying that in 1961, HA didn't allow "African" as a race on their birth certificates?
i am not the one who has to show anything. i think african was most likely a valid race back then...i merely pointed out that your link does not support your view. it is not up to me to provide a 1961 link, it is up to you as you are the one presenting the evidence and passing it off as if it proves your point.
gabosaurus
11-17-2008, 02:11 PM
How pathetic is it that certain DP members have NOTHING to do with their lives but sit around all day dragging up useless bullshit from the internet. Dr. Kevorkian is your friend!
http://i37.tinypic.com/ohu8n9.jpg
and it would take your dear leader a few minutes to come clean on this matter and end it, but he won't. the blame lies entirely with him.
gabosaurus
11-17-2008, 02:18 PM
In the meantime, let's have Palin come clean about Troopergate. And Bush can come clean about his draft dodging. And McCain can come clean about his collaboration with the North Vietnamese.
retiredman
11-17-2008, 02:20 PM
and it would take your dear leader a few minutes to come clean on this matter and end it, but he won't. the blame lies entirely with him.
as I have said many times, why would Obama dignify such moronic wailings by even acknowledging them?
Immanuel
11-17-2008, 02:22 PM
Putting African as the race is valid. The link I provided shows the governments codes for races placed on birth certificates. Since when was "African-American" a race, anyway? It proves that African is a valid way to describe race on a birth certificate, that's what it proves, from cdc.gov. Unless you believe NCHS has a marxist agenda, too.
What I would want to know is when "African" began to be used. It seems in this politically correct world things have changed significantly and that "African", "African-American", "Irish-American", "Japanese-American" etc have taken over for the standards that used to be used ie caucasian, negro, hispanic or asian.
I'm not saying that African was never used back then, but it seems to me that the norm was negro. IOW the world wasn't so politically correct when I was born 2 1/2 months before Senator Obama.
Immie
Immanuel
11-17-2008, 02:23 PM
In the meantime, let's have Palin come clean about Troopergate. And Bush can come clean about his draft dodging. And McCain can come clean about his collaboration with the North Vietnamese.
Um, Bush served in the Guard. It was Clinton that was the draft dodger.
Immie
as I have said many times, why would Obama dignify such moronic wailings by even acknowledging them?
as i keep telling you and you willfully keep ignoring...
obama DID dignify this issue, he even wrote about on his fight the smears website...you know the one he vowed to fight every smear with the truth...instead of posting the original, he posts an electronic copy, so he has in fact responded to this issue
the question is why would someone who claims to want to fight every smear with the truth not simply produce a copy of the original? further, this thing is all over the courts, instead of taking 1 minute to get a copy of the original, he spends ooogles of $$ on lawyers to fight all these cases on procedural grounds.
produce a copy and this goes away in 1 second. unless of course he is hiding something, which it is clear he wants to hide the original...hell, he doesn't even have to get a copy himself, dictate a quick 2 sentence letter to HA gov to allow the original to be seen/copied by everyone, that is in the law, if he gives permission, viola.
In the meantime, let's have Palin come clean about Troopergate. And Bush can come clean about his draft dodging. And McCain can come clean about his collaboration with the North Vietnamese.
interesting, you are comparing the above issues with obama's unwillingness to produce a copy of the original...
retiredman
11-17-2008, 05:29 PM
as i keep telling you and you willfully keep ignoring...
obama DID dignify this issue, he even wrote about on his fight the smears website...you know the one he vowed to fight every smear with the truth...instead of posting the original, he posts an electronic copy, so he has in fact responded to this issue
the question is why would someone who claims to want to fight every smear with the truth not simply produce a copy of the original? further, this thing is all over the courts, instead of taking 1 minute to get a copy of the original, he spends ooogles of $$ on lawyers to fight all these cases on procedural grounds.
produce a copy and this goes away in 1 second. unless of course he is hiding something, which it is clear he wants to hide the original...hell, he doesn't even have to get a copy himself, dictate a quick 2 sentence letter to HA gov to allow the original to be seen/copied by everyone, that is in the law, if he gives permission, viola.
you really seem to feel as if he gives a shit about whether or not a handful of rightwingnuts are in an uproar about a non-issue.
Oh...and just to assist you..at first I thought it was a typo, but you keep repeating it...Hawaii is abbreviated HI, not HA. hahahahaha
you really seem to feel as if he gives a shit about whether or not a handful of rightwingnuts are in an uproar about a non-issue.
Oh...and just to assist you..at first I thought it was a typo, but you keep repeating it...Hawaii is abbreviated HI, not HA. hahahahaha
berg is a dem :poke:
and you never answered why, when he promised to fight smears he won't fight this....especially after trying to dis the smear...it is his fault alone this is still alive, he could end it with a mere two minutes or less of his time. pathetic, more empty promises from bam bam
Missileman
11-17-2008, 06:50 PM
I believe Obamas father is African.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/RaceCodeList.pdf
The cdc has a code for both African and African-American. (#202)
Maybe in politically correct 2006...the year that CDC list was put together...in 1961, it would have read negro.
Mr. P
11-17-2008, 06:58 PM
I don't give a shit if his father was Chinese..what is Obambams legitimate nationality?
stephanie
11-17-2008, 08:32 PM
as I have said many times, why would Obama dignify such moronic wailings by even acknowledging them?
Wtf..he works for us(THE PEOPLE)..if we should ask, he should provide..or get the hell out..
Wtf..he works for us(THE PEOPLE)..if we should ask, he should provide..or get the hell out..
maybe we could use the FOIA...i would argue that even if a birth cert is exempt under the act, his release of the electronic copy waives his objection to the release of a copy of the original.
Wtf..he works for us(THE PEOPLE)..if we should ask, he should provide..or get the hell out..
what is truly ironic about mfm's wailings, is that before HI said they had a copy of the original, mfm wasted no effort and time to create posts "suggesting" that the original is lost etc...and that is why he provided an electronic copy...as soon as there was the original, accordign to HI, mfm changed tunes again and came up with a looony theory that obama should not dignify such responses......when HE HAD ALREADY RESPONDED and mfm had no problem with him dignifying the responses with the electronic copy :laugh2:
http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/065_Obama%20Crimes%20Ad%20-%20Wash%20Times%2020081117.pdf
need pdf...interesting points and it just goes to show that it is obama who is the only reason this is still going
retiredman
11-17-2008, 09:33 PM
what is truly ironic about mfm's wailings, is that before HI said they had a copy of the original, mfm wasted no effort and time to create posts "suggesting" that the original is lost etc...and that is why he provided an electronic copy...as soon as there was the original, accordign to HI, mfm changed tunes again and came up with a looony theory that obama should not dignify such responses......when HE HAD ALREADY RESPONDED and mfm had no problem with him dignifying the responses with the electronic copy :laugh2:
his campaign posted a birth certificate. I can well imagine that Barack told his team to leave it alone from then on.
bullypulpit
11-17-2008, 09:35 PM
Wow, the RWN's have raised beating a dead horse to both high art and low comedy. <img src=http://www.mini2.com/galleries/data/521/thumbs/beatingadeadhorse.gif>
<center><a href=http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html>Born in the U.S.A.</a></center>
stephanie
11-17-2008, 09:49 PM
Like we are suppose to take something posted over the Internet(this so called paper of his birth), as proof of something for THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES..
I hope they continue with this till we get some damn answers..
Mr. P
11-17-2008, 09:50 PM
Wow, the RWN's have raised beating a dead horse to both high art and low comedy. <img src=http://www.mini2.com/galleries/data/521/thumbs/beatingadeadhorse.gif>
<center><a href=http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html>Born in the U.S.A.</a></center>
Some would have said that about ole Bill too...then he was impeached. :thumb:
It ain't done till the fat lady sings..or...he shows the proof. And no, he hasn't done that yet.
retiredman
11-17-2008, 09:54 PM
Wow, the RWN's have raised beating a dead horse to both high art and low comedy. <img src=http://www.mini2.com/galleries/data/521/thumbs/beatingadeadhorse.gif>
<center><a href=http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html>Born in the U.S.A.</a></center>
my guess is: your link will not stop the morons in tinfoil hats - such as the learned attorney from San Luis Opsipo - from continuing to fume and snort about this issue....
because, quite frankly, they have nothing left to fume and snort about!
pathetic twits. and they wonder why the Obama campaign ignores their mewling!:lol:
you guys spend more time whining about beating a dead horse than it would take obama to release a copy of the original...
why do you always ignore that? why do you not see who is responsible for this...especially given obama's promise to fight smears...he has not fought this one as promised....why?
maybe the honest preacher from maine knows
look at how much time this supposed harvard trained lawyer spent fighting the smear...
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate
yet didn't produce a copy of the original
:laugh2:
if there is nothing in the original to hide, then he is the biggest moron on this planet...he says he wants to unite, he wants to fight the smears with truth, yet he won't produce this document
why do YOU ignore the fact that Obama could GIVE A SHIT about some whiny ass personal injury attorney from San Luis Opispo? He is th President-Elect...or will be when the Electoral College meets..and they is not fuck all that you or any of your tinfoil hat wearing loonies can do about it!:lol:
thank you for the insults virgil. i am glad to know that obama could give a shit about me....yay, i have no duty to call him president then....
and virgil, in case you missed it, there are a lot more people than me who are questioning him...
but it is telling that your only answer is...
he could GIVE A SHIT about some whiny ass personal injury attorney from San Luis Opispo?
i will not salute him as the president since he doesn't give a shit about me
stephanie
11-17-2008, 10:18 PM
why do YOU ignore the fact that Obama could GIVE A SHIT about some whiny ass personal injury attorney from San Luis Opispo? He is th President-Elect...or will be when the Electoral College meets..and they is not fuck all that you or any of your tinfoil hat wearing loonies can do about it!:lol:
the little thug still works for all of the people, or I guess you musta forgot that..
the little thug still works for all of the people, or I guess you musta forgot that..
he probably also forget a recent missive to me about not wanting to fight with me...ooops, then he goes on another insult rampage :laugh2:
AlbumAddict
11-17-2008, 10:21 PM
Awwww...what the hell....let's just go full-fledge conspiracy theory.
Has anyone thought about the fact that Hawaii didn't become a state until '59? What if he wasn't REALLY born in the 60's? What if he was born in a US territory? Does he have FULL, NATURAL US citizenship? This cover-up could be much, MUCH bigger than we realize.
Awwww...what the hell....let's just go full-fledge conspiracy theory.
Has anyone thought about the fact that Hawaii didn't become a state until '59? What if he wasn't REALLY born in the 60's? What if he was born in a US territory? Does he have FULL, NATURAL US citizenship? This cover-up could be much, MUCH bigger than we realize.
if HI was a territory, yes, citizenship
thing is this, i am 95% certain he is qualified...my only issue is the guy has promised to fight smears with the truth, yet he will not fight this one with the truth...all he leans on is an electronic copy, why go through the hassle of producing that and not simply request a copy of the original? for me personally, that is the sole issue.
whether his paternal grandmother said he was born in kenya has little effect to me, it is hearsay.
Wow, the RWN's have raised beating a dead horse to both high art and low comedy.
<center><a href=http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html>Born in the U.S.A.</a></center>
Factcheck? Since when did they take over the vetting process for the Presidency? I don't think they did. I think if Obama really wants this little mess to go away, he needs to produce the original in the hands of the government, not factcheck. Until then, I guess we can call him liar and nobody can prove he's not. No original, no proof. Pictures of something by factcheck, hell, anybody with some half asses skills with Photoshop could do that, not to mention that among Obama's thug friends from Chicago, there has to be a master forger in there. There's everything else. That isn't convincing anyone of anything.
Produce the original or get the hell out of office.
Factcheck? Since when did they take over the vetting process for the Presidency? I don't think they did. I think if Obama really wants this little mess to go away, he needs to produce the original in the hands of the government, not factcheck. Until then, I guess we can call him liar and nobody can prove he's not. No original, no proof. Pictures of something by factcheck, hell, anybody with some half asses skills with Photoshop could do that, not to mention that among Obama's thug friends from Chicago, there has to be a master forger in there. There's everything else. That isn't convincing anyone of anything.
Produce the original or get the hell out of office.
exactly. fackcheck is owned by the company whose board obama served on....let's assume the electronic copy is valid...why go through all that trouble to produce that and not the original? especially when obama promised to fight all the smears with the truth...why is he not fighting this one?
retiredman
11-17-2008, 11:20 PM
exactly. fackcheck is owned by the company whose board obama served on....let's assume the electronic copy is valid...why go through all that trouble to produce that and not the original? especially when obama promised to fight all the smears with the truth...why is he not fighting this one?
because it is of no consequence.
bullypulpit
11-18-2008, 05:23 AM
Some would have said that about ole Bill too...then he was impeached. :thumb:
It ain't done till the fat lady sings..or...he shows the proof. And no, he hasn't done that yet.
<img src=http://www.mini2.com/galleries/data/521/thumbs/beatingadeadhorse.gif>
<blockquote>"Nay, allow the claim of the dead; stab not the fallen; what prowess is it to slay the slain anew?" - Antigone</blockquote>
The fat lady HAS sung, and has long since exited stage right.
Immanuel
11-18-2008, 07:51 AM
<img src=http://www.mini2.com/galleries/data/521/thumbs/beatingadeadhorse.gif>
<blockquote>"Nay, allow the claim of the dead; stab not the fallen; what prowess is it to slay the slain anew?" - Antigone</blockquote>
The fat lady HAS sung, and has long since exited stage right.
The fat lady has sung simply because factcheck.org says that they "think" the birth certificate is real? I highly doubt they are infallible.
Immie
Kathianne
11-18-2008, 08:24 AM
The derailing posts have been moved to cage.
bullypulpit
11-18-2008, 08:34 AM
The fat lady has sung simply because factcheck.org says that they "think" the birth certificate is real? I highly doubt they are infallible.
Immie
Not just factcheck.org immie which, BTW, holds both sides of the political spectrum to account. Also Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have verified the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate.
<center><a href=http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iw1At-4G1xuE50oXVFRlBPfR3dqgD945OLU00>State declares Obama birth certificate genuine</a></center>
If the facts fail to satisfy you, I will be most disappointed in you
bullypulpit
11-18-2008, 08:36 AM
Awwww...what the hell....let's just go full-fledge conspiracy theory.
Has anyone thought about the fact that Hawaii didn't become a state until '59? What if he wasn't REALLY born in the 60's? What if he was born in a US territory? Does he have FULL, NATURAL US citizenship? This cover-up could be much, MUCH bigger than we realize.
And John McCain was born in Panama...:laugh2:
Nukeman
11-18-2008, 08:54 AM
And John McCain was born in Panama...:laugh2:
Thats very true Bully, but you left off the fact that, that was brought up very early in the campaign and he was FORTHCOMING with all pertinent information adn actually cooperated with the feds to clear any and all questions. the way the law was written at HIS birth on a US MILITARY base be extension US property he was born as a naturalized US Citizen....
The point you fail to make is the FACT that McCain COOPERATED FULLY, why hasn't Obama if he has NOTHING to hide..........:poke:
Immanuel
11-18-2008, 09:11 AM
Not just factcheck.org immie which, BTW, holds both sides of the political spectrum to account. Also Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have verified the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate.
<center><a href=http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iw1At-4G1xuE50oXVFRlBPfR3dqgD945OLU00>State declares Obama birth certificate genuine</a></center>
If the facts fail to satisfy you, I will be most disappointed in you
The "fact" that bothers me most is his absolute refusal to produce a legal document. If I were being questioned about my citizenship, I would be required to produce a legal document. I would not be allowed to get away with claiming that I don't have to. He's behaving like an elitist.
The man IS a politician. That, in and of itself, regardless of party, makes him suspect in my book. He's hiding something and the only thing that makes sense, in this case, is his birth place.
Immie
bullypulpit
11-18-2008, 10:27 AM
The "fact" that bothers me most is his absolute refusal to produce a legal document. If I were being questioned about my citizenship, I would be required to produce a legal document. I would not be allowed to get away with claiming that I don't have to. He's behaving like an elitist.
The man IS a politician. That, in and of itself, regardless of party, makes him suspect in my book. He's hiding something and the only thing that makes sense, in this case, is his birth place.
Immie
I am disappointed Immie. The facts stare you straight in the face and you deny them.
Zei gezunt.
stephanie
11-18-2008, 10:32 AM
I am disappointed Immie. The facts stare you straight in the face and you deny them.
Zei gezunt.
you people are a friggin joke if you think we are just suppose to take an internet web-site as the FACTS..
the original exist, we want to see it..
Immanuel
11-18-2008, 10:58 AM
I am disappointed Immie. The facts stare you straight in the face and you deny them.
Zei gezunt.
Sorry to disappoint you.
What facts? The fact that factcheck.org thinks he has provided legal evidence when he has not?
The fact that you listed two no names that claim he has provided legal evidence when he has not? Did anyone check to see if their bank accounts suddenly took a leap?
The fact that he is a politician who is clearly attempting to hide something?
Unlike, some, I don't simply assume that when a politician says something, they are telling the truth.
Immie
immie, you are correct, obama has not given us any true and correct facts, only a non-conformed electronic copy, which is really silly if, as HI says, the original is on file.
obama is not be open and transparent as he promised. obama is not fighting this smear with the truth as he promised.
obama= promises you can't trust
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