Explain It Again - BUT ... REAL ... S-L-O-W ...

[Psychoblues]

I just got this in my email from an old friend. I find it enlightening, troubling but enjoyable nonetheless. I hope you all find it worthy of just a bit of your attention.

by NanceGreggs

Explain It Again - BUT ... REAL ... S-L-O-W ...

… ‘cause I’m having a R-E-A-L problem understanding the concept.

And that leads me to believe that one of two things is going on here: (1) I am extremely slow on the up-take, or (2) you are not making any sense.

I appreciate the whole our guy lost thing – a circumstance that, by its very nature, is bound to incite anger, encourage a desire for revenge, and lead otherwise decent and intelligent people to glut themselves on sour grapes to the point of losing all common sense – along with their sense of perspective.

But what I am still struggling to understand is this whole anti-Christ thingy that’s been attributed to Democrats and liberals for decades, an epithet now squarely aimed at our president-elect, Barack Obama, with a vengeance that I seem to remember – and please, correct me if I am wrong – was once His and His alone – or so sayeth, or speaketh, or whatevereth the Lord God Almighty (who some pseudo-Christians might still vaguely recall from some sermon they heard in a land long ago and faraway, in the time before Jesus and his teachings became available in the Xtreme DVD edition, complete with extras, out-takes, and behind-the-scenes footage never before aired in the churches of the nation) might have said, at one time or another, when the MSM wasn't there to report it.

Yep, still strugglin’ here – struggling to understand how speaking up for middle-class workers and their right to a decent wage is an affront to the Sermon on the Mount (and if you haven’t checked it out lately, it’s worth a second read).

Still struggling to understand how promoting affordable healthcare for every American is a direct slap-in-the-face to the Nazarene, who pointed out that we are our brother’s keeper – and whether we’d applied for the job or not, it was expected that we’d at least give the idea some serious thought – and maybe even a little bit of effort.

Still strugglin’ here – trying to comprehend how the same people who claim to love The Man (ya know, the one who admonished His followers that as they do to the least among them, so they do unto Him) can’t get their heads around the concept of feeding the hungry and sheltering the homeless as something good Christians do and not as something you can slap the label of socialism on and dismiss out-of-hand, just because you’re looking for a loophole to crawl through without parting with a dime (and I’ll be damned if the right-wingers aren’t danglin’ that loophole – which has a strong resemblance to a noose – in front of every last greedy soul still lookin’ for a legal argument to present on Judgment Day.)

Still tryin’ – and not without a lot of effort – to comprehend how talking about diplomacy as a means to avert war, putting social safety-nets in place to catch the least among us, ensuring that an honest day’s work equals an honest day’s pay, encouraging dialogue rather than fingers-in-your-ears silence/ignorance, and promoting peace and understanding is anti-Christ behavior – but I am trying.

Maybe I’m the one who’s got it all wrong – and I am humble enough to accept that possibility. But it seems to me that putting our trust in the guy who is willing to encourage an entire nation – if not the entire world – to walk in the other guy’s shoes, and truly appreciate what he needs, is a step in the right direction.

It’s kind of like walking in the Shoes of the Fisherman – who some (but apparently not all) will recall from a previously-viewed videotape that is crying out for rewinding these days.

So just walk it – and stop talkin’ it down. Because what you’re talking is nonsense, and the way you walk is what is ultimately going to count.

And deep down inside, you know it.
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See what I mean?!?!?!?!??!??!?!?!?! Interesting observation, isn't it?!?!?!??!?!?!?

Psychoblues

[Missileman]

Where in the Bible does it say anything about feeding the lazy or sheltering the financially-stupid?

[Psychoblues]

It says a lot about that, mm, including a good bit about humanistic pride and judgement.


Where in the Bible does it say anything about feeding the lazy or sheltering the financially-stupid?

Have you ever read the Bible?

Psychoblues

[Yurt]

why does jesus say the poor will always be with us?

[Immanuel]

I didn't read all of that yet, but I remember several people who used to post here, one who has been permanently banned here and another who rarely posts anymore, who were absolutely convinced that George W. Bush was the Anti-christ.

I suppose the response I would have to the first part of that piece would be, "What Comes Around, Goes Around", or "What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun." Ecc 1:9.

Immie

[Psychoblues]

That sounds about right to me, immie!!!!!!!!



I didn't read all of that yet, but I remember several people who used to post here, one who has been permanently banned here and another who rarely posts anymore, who were absolutely convinced that George W. Bush was the Anti-christ.

I suppose the response I would have to the first part of that piece would be, "What Comes Around, Goes Around", or "What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun." Ecc 1:9.

Immie

BTW, congrats on hitting the 3000 mark on your post count. Can I buy you a refreshment?!?!?!?!???!?!

Psychoblues

[Immanuel]

That sounds about right to me, immie!!!!!!!!




BTW, congrats on hitting the 3000 mark on your post count. Can I buy you a refreshment?!?!?!?!???!?!

Psychoblues

Of course, it is a bit early for a Margarita, but a good cup of :coffee: is never turned down either. :laugh2:

Immie

[darin]

Taking from people is stealing. Democrats tend to TAKE other people's money and doll it out ad nauseum to anybody who asks. That's not 'giving'. That's "taking." Did Christ support big-government forcibly taking money from some folk, to enable generations of poverty by making 'sitting home, doing nothing' more financially viable solution to many millions.

Democrat Steal and Give policies HURT everyone - except Democrats.

[Immanuel]

Taking from people is stealing. Democrats tend to TAKE other people's money and doll it out ad nauseum to anybody who asks. That's not 'giving'. That's "taking." Did Christ support big-government forcibly taking money from some folk, to enable generations of poverty by making 'sitting home, doing nothing' more financially viable solution to many millions.

Democrat Steal and Give policies HURT everyone - except Democrats.

Absolutely he did not. However, he did support us freely giving to the needy ex authority.

Immie

[Psychoblues]

Jesus admonishes his followers to "render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's" and he is in reference to taxation.



Taking from people is stealing. Democrats tend to TAKE other people's money and doll it out ad nauseum to anybody who asks. That's not 'giving'. That's "taking." Did Christ support big-government forcibly taking money from some folk, to enable generations of poverty by making 'sitting home, doing nothing' more financially viable solution to many millions.

Democrat Steal and Give policies HURT everyone - except Democrats.

I wonder what Ceasar was doing with those taxes??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!

Psychoblues

[Psychoblues]

Would you like sugar and cream with that, immie?!???????!??!?!??!



Of course, it is a bit early for a Margarita, but a good cup of :coffee: is never turned down either. :laugh2:

Immie

Hot from the pot, Maxwell House, good to the last drop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Psychoblues

[darin]

Jesus admonishes his followers to "render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's" and he is in reference to taxation.



of course! That has nothing to do with welfare and forced-taking of folks' money being a CHRISTIAN thing. Christ was saying "If you're taxed...pay your taxes." it's not intellectually honest to use those passages to support the HARMFUL Democrat way of perpetuated poverty upon people by making them dependant upon Government "help".

(shrug)



I wonder what Ceasar was doing with those taxes??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!

Psychoblues

Empire-Building.

:)

[Psychoblues]

dimples, you are certainly entitled to your opinions and your wrongheadedness.




of course! That has nothing to do with welfare and forced-taking of folks' money being a CHRISTIAN thing. Christ was saying "If you're taxed...pay your taxes." it's not intellectually honest to use those passages to support the HARMFUL Democrat way of perpetuated poverty upon people by making them dependant upon Government "help".

(shrug)



Empire-Building.

:)

And Ceasar was entitled to his. That's what Jesus said.

Psychoblues

[retiredman]

why does jesus say the poor will always be with us?

because He knew that, until His kingdom came on earth, that man would sin and not follow His guidance.

"Whatever you do to the least of these, you do to me"

Ignore the poor: ignore Jesus.

It's that simple.

[Yurt]

Jesus admonishes his followers to "render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's" and he is in reference to taxation.




I wonder what Ceasar was doing with those taxes??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!

Psychoblues

why does jesus say the poor will always be with us?

[Yurt]

dimples, you are certainly entitled to your opinions and your wrongheadedness.





And Ceasar was entitled to his. That's what Jesus said.

Psychoblues

so you are comparing the US government to ceasar?

and kindly lay out how ceasar taxed the rich to spread the wealth

[Psychoblues]

I think the subject is taxation, dumbo.



so you are comparing the US government to ceasar?

and kindly lay out how ceasar taxed the rich to spread the wealth

But even aside from that, I wish the conversation would return to the original post and article in this thread and some semblance of a proper sharing of the merits and demerits of the article would ensue.

Obviously, you and others would rather repeat old lies, myths and innuendos without genuine consideration of the topics at hand. Par for the conservative course.

Psychoblues

[Yurt]

I think the subject is taxation, dumbo.




But even aside from that, I wish the conversation would return to the original post and article in this thread and some semblance of a proper sharing of the merits and demerits of the article would ensue.

Obviously, you and others would rather repeat old lies, myths and innuendos without genuine consideration of the topics at hand. Par for the conservative course.

Psychoblues

you are the one who keeps ignoring my question about the poor :poke:

and link to one lie that i have said or anyone has said in the thread...you won't be able too, more weak debate tactics by you...and it is clear you cannot defend your position so you deflect

[Psychoblues]

Ha!!!!!!!! You crack me up, dumbo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Were it not for the lies, myths and innuendos that I mentioned the article would be discussed without all this bullshit.



you are the one who keeps ignoring my question about the poor :poke:

and link to one lie that i have said or anyone has said in the thread...you won't be able too, more weak debate tactics by you...and it is clear you cannot defend your position so you deflect

Weak? Look in your mirror, dumbo, or is that a crystal ball your peering into?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!??!

Psychoblues

[Yurt]

IOW, you can't defend your position, fine got it...

as for lies, i am not surprised you could not provide proof

as for opinions vs. facts, the entire OP is one opinion. i have not seen one poster on this board espouse what the OP claims, i no of no person in my life who has espoused what the OP claims.

but i do see the left ramping up the bullshit by saying stuff like (para of your OP):

see they hate obama because they disagree with him; how can good christians attack obama's policies; good christians should accept obama's policies....

either you did not read your article carefully or you are purposefully being dishonest about what the OP claims and so you deflect on others

[Psychoblues]

If you're going to insist on being so pitiful I think I'm going to go on to bed.


IOW, you can't defend your position, fine got it...

as for lies, i am not surprised you could not provide proof

as for opinions vs. facts, the entire OP is one opinion. i have not seen one poster on this board espouse what the OP claims, i no of no person in my life who has espoused what the OP claims.

but i do see the left ramping up the bullshit by saying stuff like (para of your OP):

see they hate obama because they disagree with him; how can good christians attack obama's policies; good christians should accept obama's policies....

either you did not read your article carefully or you are purposefully being dishonest about what the OP claims and so you deflect on others

Obviously you haven't read the piece, aren't going to discuss it like an adult and have no interest in reasonable dialogue. Have you ever wondered why so much of your shit gets split off to the cage?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Psychoblues

[Yurt]

If you're going to insist on being so pitiful I think I'm going to go on to bed.



Obviously you haven't read the piece, aren't going to discuss it like an adult and have no interest in reasonable dialogue. Have you ever wondered why so much of your shit gets split off to the cage?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Psychoblues

yes you should go to bed...and as if you have never had your stuff sent to the cage...but let me show you how your OP is exactly as i claimed:


But what I am still struggling to understand is this whole anti-Christ thingy that’s been attributed to Democrats and liberals for decades, an epithet now squarely aimed at our president-elect, Barack Obama, with a vengeance that I seem to remember – and please, correct me if I am wrong – was once His and His alone – or so sayeth, or speaketh, or whatevereth the Lord God Almighty (who some pseudo-Christians might still vaguely recall from some sermon they heard in a land long ago and faraway, in the time before Jesus and his teachings became available in the Xtreme DVD edition, complete with extras, out-takes, and behind-the-scenes footage never before aired in the churches of the nation) might have said, at one time or another, when the MSM wasn't there to report it.

Yep, still strugglin’ here – struggling to understand how speaking up for middle-class workers and their right to a decent wage is an affront to the Sermon on the Mount (and if you haven’t checked it out lately, it’s worth a second read).

Still struggling to understand how promoting affordable healthcare for every American is a direct slap-in-the-face to the Nazarene, who pointed out that we are our brother’s keeper – and whether we’d applied for the job or not, it was expected that we’d at least give the idea some serious thought – and maybe even a little bit of effort.

Still strugglin’ here – trying to comprehend how the same people who claim to love The Man (ya know, the one who admonished His followers that as they do to the least among them, so they do unto Him) can’t get their heads around the concept of feeding the hungry and sheltering the homeless as something good Christians do and not as something you can slap the label of socialism on and dismiss out-of-hand, just because you’re looking for a loophole to crawl through without parting with a dime (and I’ll be damned if the right-wingers aren’t danglin’ that loophole – which has a strong resemblance to a noose – in front of every last greedy soul still lookin’ for a legal argument to present on Judgment Day.)

but no surprise that all psydeshow has are insults when he can't defend a position...

[crin63]

Jesus admonishes his followers to "render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's" and he is in reference to taxation.

I wonder what Ceasar was doing with those taxes??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!

Psychoblues

Cesar was building empire with slaves and burning Christians for fun.

2Th 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
2Th 3:11 For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.
2Th 3:12 Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.

I understand why you don't want the Apostle Paul in your Bible. Its because he goes against your world view. Either you are right or the Apostle Paul is right. I think I will side with the Apostle Paul, every time.

I don't know about you but I give 20%-25% of my annual income to charities and those who are in need. If the government takes my money I may not be able to give to those who have real needs and where they money gets eaten up in administrative costs.

I'm not talking about rifling through my attic or garage to give away junk thats been laying around for 20 years to make myself feel better, thats just lame.

[darin]

Very well done, CR.

Liberals can't reconcile the fact Government un-checked, TAKING and "giving" to "poor" HURTS the poor...it doesn't HELP anyone but Governments. It's Ignoring Christ.

[Psychoblues]

You've bolded up quite a bit there, yuk. What does any of that mean to you? Do you think the writer was talking about you personally or just the person you want to be?



yes you should go to bed...and as if you have never had your stuff sent to the cage...but let me show you how your OP is exactly as i claimed:



but no surprise that all psydeshow has are insults when he can't defend a position...

What insults are you talking about, yuk? I responded as best I could and you cannot be content with a reasonable conversation. That is no secret now and as far back as I can remember it has always been that way.

Are you confused/offended about the Sermon on the Mount, or is it the healthcare issue, or maybe the treatment of the least among us part or maybe it is the implication that many of the more self righteous among us condemn those with whom we disagree by accusing them of heresy or worse. I realize those are not direct quotes on my part but I hope you understand the paraphrasing. Hope against hope, however, you'll make another ridiculous argument and assertion and drift completely off topic as you are so prone to do.

Psychoblues

[Psychoblues]

I am a liberal and I have NEVER advocated for "un-checked Government", dimples, and I know of NO LIBERAL that does as you say.


Very well done, CR.

Liberals can't reconcile the fact Government un-checked, TAKING and "giving" to "poor" HURTS the poor...it doesn't HELP anyone but Governments. It's Ignoring Christ.

Perhaps you could explain that a bit so I can better understand your position?!?!?!?!??!

Psychoblues

[Abbey Marie]

...
What insults are you talking about, yuk? I responded as best I could and you cannot be content with a reasonable conversation. That is no secret now and as far back as I can remember it has always been that way.
...
Psychoblues

I don't want to speak for Yurt, but these did sort of jump out: :)


dumbo
dumbo (again)
Look in your mirror, dumbo
Have you ever wondered why so much of your shit gets split off to the cage?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Yurt]

I don't want to speak for Yurt, but these did sort of jump out: :)

:coffee:

add:
Obviously you haven't read the piece, aren't going to discuss it like an adult and have no interest in reasonable dialogue

good lord psydeshow, come on now...don't play stupid, you might win

and i go and bold the parts that i R-E-A-D that prove what i already told you i said the OP means, earlier you merely claimed i did not read it and have no idea what i am talking about, so i bolded the parts that support my claim and now you say i bolded too much and to explain it to you...:laugh2:

[Psychoblues]

abby, I don't mean to be disrespectful but did you notice in all those remarks I was responding to comments like "psydeshow" and other slurs and refusals to address the literature at hand?



I don't want to speak for Yurt, but these did sort of jump out: :)

And what's wrong with "dumbo"? Isn't dumbo the republican motto? I see him all the time in republican ads in the paper, magazines and on TV.

For some reason a lot of stuff seems to jump out for you while other stuff just escapes you altogether?!?!??!??!?!??!??!

Come, let me buy you a refreshment?!?!??!???!?!? We don't have to be so harsh with one another?!?!??!????!?! Heck, it just ain't Christian!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Psychoblues

[Abbey Marie]

abby, I don't mean to be disrespectful but did you notice in all those remarks I was responding to comments like "psydeshow" and other slurs and refusals to address the literature at hand?




And what's wrong with "dumbo"? Isn't dumbo the republican motto? I see him all the time in republican ads in the paper, magazines and on TV.

For some reason a lot of stuff seems to jump out for you while other stuff just escapes you altogether?!?!??!??!?!??!??!

Come, let me buy you a refreshment?!?!??!???!?!? We don't have to be so harsh with one another?!?!??!????!?! Heck, it just ain't Christian!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Psychoblues


Thanks. Was I harsh? Can you mix me a Manhattan, a little sweet, two cherries? If not, a Heineken in a frosted glass will be just fine. :beer:

[Yurt]

abby, I don't mean to be disrespectful but did you notice in all those remarks I was responding to comments like "psydeshow" and other slurs and refusals to address the literature at hand?




And what's wrong with "dumbo"? Isn't dumbo the republican motto? I see him all the time in republican ads in the paper, magazines and on TV.

For some reason a lot of stuff seems to jump out for you while other stuff just escapes you altogether?!?!??!??!?!??!??!

Come, let me buy you a refreshment?!?!??!???!?!? We don't have to be so harsh with one another?!?!??!????!?! Heck, it just ain't Christian!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Psychoblues

oh come on now...you just made a post defending your use of "nicknames" and now you are crying foul that i have one for you when you constantly call me yuk...

further, i never used your nickname in this thread until after you insulted me repeatedly and i committed no slurs against you, you first used your famous nicknames on dmp, and you first called me dumbo in this thread...

you are making a false whine about nothing and the fact you refuse to acknowledge that i read your OP and that i made a claim based upon and even bolded the parts for you shows that you have real interest in having an "adult" discussion. on this.

[Psychoblues]

I'll fix you anything you'd like, abby, and if we don't have it, we'll get it PDQ (pretty darned quick).



Thanks. Was I harsh? Can you mix me a Manhattan, a little sweet, two cherries? If not, a Heineken in a frosted glass will be just fine. :beer:

Just remember, I'm a Busch drinker and about the best mixer I ever had was a Jack Daniels/Coca Cola/ice in a dixie cup!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Psychoblues

[Psychoblues]

Whining is your modem operandi, yuk, and always has been for as long as I've known you. And if you think I was whining about your nickname for me you are sadly mistaken. I've never whined about it and never will unless of course in a mocking way, don't you know?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!


oh come on now...you just made a post defending your use of "nicknames" and now you are crying foul that i have one for you when you constantly call me yuk...

further, i never used your nickname in this thread until after you insulted me repeatedly and i committed no slurs against you, you first used your famous nicknames on dmp, and you first called me dumbo in this thread...

you are making a false whine about nothing and the fact you refuse to acknowledge that i read your OP and that i made a claim based upon and even bolded the parts for you shows that you have real interest in having an "adult" discussion. on this.

I have no problem with your having finally read the piece after I repeatedly urged you to do so but I insist that other than your bolding practice you failed to comment on just how you are somehow offended by those remarks. It is clear that you are offended, but, why?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!

I tend to take the piece as a whole as a refreshing view on Christianity and how the writer feels about it in relation to political considerations. It is by no means comprehensive or difficult to relate or discuss. But, you seem to have a problem with it but you just can't put it into words. I can't help you with that, faux counselor.

Psychoblues

[Missileman]

It says a lot about that, mm, including a good bit about humanistic pride and judgement.



Have you ever read the Bible?

Psychoblues

Quote a passage that says anything about my being responsible to take care of lazy people. While you're at it, quote another passage that says it's my responsibility to rescue some asshole living beyond his means.

[Psychoblues]

Accusing people of being lazy or of living beyond their means is a widespread tactic used mainly by reichwingers to falsely condemn charity and government, mm. I am heavily involved in both charities and governmental assistance programs and I hear the bullshit almost everyday and all day long. Good people suffer not because of unavailability of help but from the loud mouths and actions of people that don't have shit for sense and not a clue as to actual circumstanses.


Quote a passage that says anything about my being responsible to take care of lazy people. While you're at it, quote another passage that says it's my responsibility to rescue some asshole living beyond his means.

Just a week or so ago it was shown on the news a jackboot thug with a badge and a gun screaming at a man that was sitting down at a table and apparently wouldn't get up. The thug jerked the man out of the chair, threw him to the floor, struck him repeatedly all the while screaming and cursing. Only after considerable damage was done did the thug discover that the man was paralyzed from the waist down. But, that's really off topic, isn't it?

Did you read the piece, mm? What did you think about the observations of the writer?

Psychoblues

[Missileman]

Accusing people of being lazy or of living beyond their means is a widespread tactic used mainly by reichwingers to falsely condemn charity and government, mm.
Psychoblues

Accusing hard-working taxpayers of being reichwingers is a tactic used by commie-pinko-fag-liberals to steal money from working folks to give to lazy slimeballs.

Look, I have no problem helping out those who are indeed unable to take care of themselves. Able-bodied citizens don't merit a free ride.

As for the homeowners who over-extended themselves and find themselves unable to afford their house, I feel absolutely NO responsibility to bail them out. They made a mistake. Mistakes carry consequences. If that means they have to move into an apartment and sell their house, too bad. Their mistake shouldn't carry negative consequences for those of us who didn't screw the pooch.

[Yurt]

Whining is your modem operandi, yuk, and always has been for as long as I've known you. And if you think I was whining about your nickname for me you are sadly mistaken. I've never whined about it and never will unless of course in a mocking way, don't you know?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!



I have no problem with your having finally read the piece after I repeatedly urged you to do so but I insist that other than your bolding practice you failed to comment on just how you are somehow offended by those remarks. It is clear that you are offended, but, why?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!

I tend to take the piece as a whole as a refreshing view on Christianity and how the writer feels about it in relation to political considerations. It is by no means comprehensive or difficult to relate or discuss. But, you seem to have a problem with it but you just can't put it into words. I can't help you with that, faux counselor.

Psychoblues

i can see why people have you on ignore, you are totally making stuff up and saying things i never said and then you continue to insult me about whining when it was YOU that whined

boring

[Psychoblues]

See how you are, sleazebag?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?



i can see why people have you on ignore, you are totally making stuff up and saying things i never said and then you continue to insult me about whining when it was YOU that whined

boring

You're such an easy one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Psychoblues

[Yurt]

See how you are, sleazebag?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?




You're such an easy one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Psychoblues

thanks for proving me right once again

:cheers2: