Congressman Warns of Obama Dictatorship

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A Republican congressman from Georgia said Monday he fears that President-elect Obama will establish a Gestapo-like security force to impose a Marxist or fascist dictatorship.


WASHINGTON -- A Republican congressman from Georgia said Monday he fears that President-elect Obama will establish a Gestapo-like security force to impose a Marxist or fascist dictatorship.

"It may sound a bit crazy and off base, but the thing is, he's the one who proposed this national security force," Rep. Paul Broun said of Obama in an interview Monday with The Associated Press. "I'm just trying to bring attention to the fact that we may -- may not, I hope not -- but we may have a problem with that type of philosophy of radical socialism or Marxism."

Broun cited a July speech by Obama that has circulated on the Internet in which the then-Democratic presidential candidate called for a civilian force to take some of the national security burden off the military.

"That's exactly what Hitler did in Nazi Germany and it's exactly what the Soviet Union did," Broun said. "When he's proposing to have a national security force that's answering to him, that is as strong as the U.S. military, he's showing me signs of being Marxist."

Obama's comments about a national security force came during a speech in Colorado about building a new civil service corps. Among other things, he called for expanding the nation's foreign service and doubling the size of the Peace Corps "to renew our diplomacy."

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wonder what gave him that idea????

[retiredman]

who the fuck knows what gives any of you loonies the weird ideas you come up with???:lol:

[stephanie]

I wouldn't be ruling anything out..he is a Marxist

[retiredman]

I wouldn't be ruling anything out..he is a Marxist

and by that statement, you prove that you are a card carrying loonie.

you don't have a fucking CLUE what the word "marxist" even means. You don't understand a fucking thing about the dialectic or the dictatorship of the proletariate or the labor theory of value or any of the other precepts of marxism.....

you are a stupid moronic hack....nothing more.

[stephanie]

and by that statement, you prove that you are a card carrying loonie.

you don't have a fucking CLUE what the word "marxist" even means. You don't understand a fucking thing about the dialectic or the dictatorship of the proletariate or the labor theory of value or any of the other precepts of marxism.....

you are a stupid moronic hack....nothing more.

awww. did I insult your dear leader..

I know exactly what I'm talking about, buddy boy..

now get the hell away from me little man...and go bow down in front of your little Marxists picture..

[Yurt]

awww. did I insult your dear leader..

I know exactly what I'm talking about, buddy boy..

now get the hell away from me little man...and go bow down in front of your little Marxists picture..

see how violent some of his followers are, just imagine when he has the power behind the office, beware...

[retiredman]

awww. did I insult your dear leader..

I know exactly what I'm talking about, buddy boy..

now get the hell away from me little man...and go bow down in front of your little Marxists picture..


clearly...you don't have the slightest inkling of what the term "marxist" means. To you, it is nothing more than an epithet.

[stephanie]

clearly...you don't have the slightest inkling of what the term "marxist" means. To you, it is nothing more than an epithet.

that's your friggin opinion, and you know what they say about opinions..

why don't you just worry about what is your are suppose to know, and how intelligent you're suppose to be.

time will expose the little Marxist for what he is..

[retiredman]

that's your friggin opinion, and you know what they say about opinions..

why don't you just worry about what is your are suppose to know, and how intelligent you're suppose to be.

time will expose the little Marxist for what he is..

it is my opinion... and marxism was also my area of study at USNA...and I know that YOU don't know SQUAT about marxism.... you are a stupid bubblehead... and you will never be anything more. You have no more idea of what "marxism" means than you do "string theory"...you are in over your head, and are nothing but a mouthy bimbo.... and you cannot talk your way out of the intellectual quagmire you have walked into. what's new?

[REDWHITEBLUE2]

I wouldn't be ruling anything out..he is a Marxist Look at the bright side if Obama tries to overturn the 2nd amendment at least we know it's liberals coming to take your guns gonna be a lot less Liberals around :dance:

[stephanie]

it is my opinion... and marxism was also my area of study at USNA...and I know that YOU don't know SQUAT about marxism.... you are a stupid bubblehead... and you will never be anything more. You have no more idea of what "marxism" means than you do "string theory"...you are in over your head, and are nothing but a mouthy bimbo.... and you cannot talk your way out of the intellectual quagmire you have walked into. what's new?

I don't know how many times I've told you, your opinions and what you think of me, mean diddly squat to me..
and like I give a shit what it is you supposedly studied..
now carry on and go kiss your dear leaders picture..:cheers2:

[Sitarro]

it is my opinion... and marxism was also my area of study at USNA...and I know that YOU don't know SQUAT about marxism.... you are a stupid bubblehead... and you will never be anything more. You have no more idea of what "marxism" means than you do "string theory"...you are in over your head, and are nothing but a mouthy bimbo.... and you cannot talk your way out of the intellectual quagmire you have walked into. what's new?

From Wiki............

Marxism is the political philosophy and practice derived from the work of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. Any political practice or theory that is based on an interpretation of the works of Marx and Engels may be called Marxism. A theoretical presence of Marxist approaches in western academic fields of research is present in the disciplines of anthropology, media studies, theatre, history, Sociological theory, economics, literary criticism, aesthetics and philosophy.

While there are many theoretical and practical differences among the various forms of Marxism, most forms of Marxism share these principles:

an attention to the material conditions of people's lives, and social relations among people

a belief that people's consciousness of the conditions of their lives reflects these material conditions and relations

an understanding of class in terms of differing relations of production, and as a particular position within such relations

an understanding of material conditions and social relations as historically malleable

a view of history according to which class struggle, the evolving conflict between classes with opposing interests, structures each historical period and drives historical change

a sympathy for the working class or proletariat
and a belief that the ultimate interests of workers best match those of humanity in general.

The main points of contention among Marxists are the degree to which they are committed to a workers' revolution as the means of achieving human emancipation and enlightenment, and the actual mechanism through which such a revolution might occur and succeed. Marxism is correctly but not exhaustively described as a variety of Socialism. Some Marxists, however, argue that no actual state has ever fully realized Marxist principles; other Marxists, such as Autonomists claim Marxist principles cannot be realized in any state construct seen through the 20th Century, and would necessitate a reconceptualization of the notion of state itself.

Sounds a lot like Osama to me.:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[retiredman]

From Wiki............



Sounds a lot like Osama to me.:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

which shows the complete lack of depth you have regarding Marxism AND Obama.

moron.

[stephanie]

Time will expose the little Marxist for what he is, and it will also expose a lot of the Commies who have taken over the Democrat party..

[retiredman]

Time will expose the little Marxist for what he is, and it will also expose a lot of the Commies who have taken over the Democrat party..


bubbleheads spouting words they can't even define.

BOOORING!:lol:

[stephanie]

bubbleheads spouting words they can't even define.

BOOORING!:lol:

if I don't know what I'm saying, why are so fired up to try and prove me wrong...so what if I say your dear leader is a Marxist.

why should it bother you?:coffee:

[retiredman]

if I don't know what I'm saying, why are so fired up to try and prove me wrong...so what if I say your dear leader is a Marxist.

why should it bother you?:coffee:

because it is erroneous.

[Yurt]

if you do not harm me, I coudl give a shit. IF you harm me, I will harm you. Not a threat... never has been a threat...has ALWAYS been a promise.

Do your worst. IF you harm me, be prepared to defend against my best.

no threat. all promise. do yourself a favor and don't even fucking contemplate playing mister macho and taking me up on it. You WILL regret it. I guarantee it.

:lol:

internet tough guy, threatens to put me in a gurney, threatens to attack my home and family

what a man of ......... satan...there is no light in you

[stephanie]

because it is erroneous.

yeah sure...

time will tell.:coffee:

[retiredman]

yeah sure...

time will tell.:coffee:

there is no time needed to determine that you don't know the meanings of the words you use. that is already clear.

[stephanie]

there is no time needed to determine that you don't know the meanings of the words you use. that is already clear.

hell, he's damn near leaning into being a communist.

[retiredman]

hell, he's damn near leaning into being a communist.

you don't know what that word means either.:lol:

bubbleheaded bimbo.

[stephanie]

you don't know what that word means either.:lol:

bubbleheaded bimbo.

he'll show his true self soon enough..sociopaths can't hide who they are for long, their ego's won't let them..

[diuretic]

Couple of errors there, if I may say so.

Obama isn't a Marxist. A self-respecting Marxist would be apopleptic if he or she were told that. "Marxist" or "Marxian" has proven to be a bit of a malleable concept. Even before Lenin fucked around with the idea Marx himself was in disagreement with those who called themselves "Marxists".

And on sociopaths - no, most of them are very good at hiding their personality defect. Cunning is part of being a sociopath. Obama isn't a sociopath, he has a history of considertion for other people - very unsociopathic.

[bullypulpit]

Wow...just wow. So what is he now? A Marxist...? A Nazi...? An Islamofascist...? The wrong kind of Christian...? A terrorist...? The right wing-nuts, like Paul Broun and his fellow travelers really need to settle on one. And, of course, they reeeeeeeally need to provide some hard evidence to support their bat-shit crazy claims, not that they can.

[Sitarro]

Wow...just wow. So what is he now? A Marxist...? A Nazi...? An Islamofascist...? The wrong kind of Christian...? A terrorist...? The right wing-nuts, like Paul Broun and his fellow travelers really need to settle on one. And, of course, they reeeeeeeally need to provide some hard evidence to support their bat-shit crazy claims, not that they can.

No, The boy's a chimp eared dimwit from Kenya that 55 MILLION true Americans voted against.

[bullypulpit]

No, The boy's a chimp eared dimwit from Kenya that 55 MILLION true Americans voted against.

Do you have something to add to the discussion? Or are you simply having another dumb-ass attack?

[Immanuel]

Can we get back to the subject of the post please?

MFM,

President Elect Obama in the waning days of the campaign mentioned the idea of a "Civilian Security Force" equal in strength and funding to the U.S. Military. Now, I admit that brings up thoughts of the Third Reich to me. Can you tell me what you see in our future President's proposal? I know for a fact that you would have an issue with such an idea. Give me a different viewpoint that is not as scary as hell in the proposal.

Immie

[retiredman]

Can we get back to the subject of the post please?

MFM,

President Elect Obama in the waning days of the campaign mentioned the idea of a "Civilian Security Force" equal in strength and funding to the U.S. Military. Now, I admit that brings up thoughts of the Third Reich to me. Can you tell me what you see in our future President's proposal? I know for a fact that you would have an issue with such an idea. Give me a different viewpoint that is not as scary as hell in the proposal.

Immie


Immie: to be perfectly honest, I did not hear him make that statement ande I have no idea what he has in mind. Off the top of my head, Civilian Security Force sounds like another name for a police force. I would imagine that our combined state and local law enforcement agencies are pretty close in size to the DoD, but that's just a guess.

[avatar4321]

who the fuck knows what gives any of you loonies the weird ideas you come up with???:lol:

Never stopped you from allying with those lunatics who thought Bush would annoint himself dictator for life. However, unlike you we actually have some reasons to worry.

[Immanuel]

Immie: to be perfectly honest, I did not hear him make that statement ande I have no idea what he has in mind. Off the top of my head, Civilian Security Force sounds like another name for a police force. I would imagine that our combined state and local law enforcement agencies are pretty close in size to the DoD, but that's just a guess.

Off the top of my head, I would say that you are right in that it would be a "police force", but he was not talking about the police. The idea of him raising a military sized militia inside the U.S. is not a heartening thought. We already have the National Guard. What could he have possibly meant? What would be the mission of this CSF? Enforcement? Control?

So far they are nothing but words out of his mouth the week before the election, but, this is something I am watching. This is something, I might of expected out of George Bush after the Patriot Act, torture and NSA Wiretapping issues.

Our government, regardless of party, is forgetting the idea of civil rights. They are systematically removing them. If we don't curtail this now, we may not be able to in the future.

Immie

[Silver]

Immie: to be perfectly honest, I did not hear him make that statement ande I have no idea what he has in mind. Off the top of my head, Civilian Security Force sounds like another name for a police force. I would imagine that our combined state and local law enforcement agencies are pretty close in size to the DoD, but that's just a guess.

To be perfectly honest, you shouldn't comment on on what you admit ignorance to...
That is what the chimp said, plain and simple..and it ought to frighten everyone with a functioning brain...that would exclude you....A Civilian Security Force, as powerful as the military ? And your guessing is nothing more than your far left spin to put a happy face on an idea necessary for a fascist state...

You remind me the moron that says, "I won't get cancer"....as he sucks on his favorite smoke...

PS.

Sitarro's post was a clear as can be...

While there are many theoretical and practical differences among the various forms of Marxism, most forms of Marxism share these principles:

an attention to the material conditions of people's lives, and social relations among people

a belief that people's consciousness of the conditions of their lives reflects these material conditions and relations

an understanding of class in terms of differing relations of production, and as a particular position within such relations

an understanding of material conditions and social relations as historically malleable

a view of history according to which class struggle, the evolving conflict between classes with opposing interests, structures each historical period and drives historical change

a sympathy for the working class or proletariat
and a belief that the ultimate interests of workers best match those of humanity in general.

[Immanuel]

To be perfectly honest, you shouldn't comment on on what you admit ignorance to...


I asked him a direct question. I appreciate the fact that he answered with his opinion but informed me that it was limited to not having heard the idea.

He was being nothing but honest in his reply.

Immie

[stephanie]

he wasn't being honest, he knows exactly what the little Marxist meant..

some people would try and spin shit into cotton candy if they think they could get away with it..

[Immanuel]

he wasn't being honest, he knows exactly what the little Marxist meant..



Do you favor mind reading or Tarot Cards? ;)

Come on, the election is over, cut the guy some slack!

Immie

[stephanie]

Do you favor mind reading or Tarot Cards? ;)

Come on, the election is over, cut the guy some slack!

Immie

none will come from..he doesn't deserve any..not after the names he has called me..

so no, no slack

[hjmick]

Immie: to be perfectly honest, I did not hear him make that statement ande I have no idea what he has in mind. Off the top of my head, Civilian Security Force sounds like another name for a police force. I would imagine that our combined state and local law enforcement agencies are pretty close in size to the DoD, but that's just a guess.

Come on MfM, another name "another name for a police force?" Seriously? You can't possibly believe that, even if you didn't hear Obama's description. The local and state police agencies do not need new names and there is no need to create a new one.

Here, listen to what he said:

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Why would there be a need for another type of police force? Why not expend the ones currently in place? Increase staffing and officer levels, provide them with better equipment. Or, maybe, he wants something along the lines of the Minutmen?

[5stringJeff]

Or, maybe, he wants something along the lines of the Minutmen?

In that situation, would we see the Minutemen versus the Obama Goon Squads? I bet I know who would win that gunfight!

[gabosaurus]

Perhaps he will invade a sovereign country and lie about his reasons for doing so. Or tap the phone lines of ordinary citizens.

[Yurt]

i am glad the dems did not get 60 seats in the senate, just imagine if they had

[retiredman]

internet tough guy, threatens to put me in a gurney, threatens to attack my home and family

what a man of ......... satan...there is no light in you

I threatened to do my best IF you came to Maine and did your worst. Do you understand the conditional nature of that? If you do nothing to me, you have nothing to fear. And I NEVER threatened your family, you lying little snot.

[retiredman]

Come on MfM, another name "another name for a police force?" Seriously? You can't possibly believe that, even if you didn't hear Obama's description. The local and state police agencies do not need new names and there is no need to create a new one.

Here, listen to what he said:

Why would there be a need for another type of police force? Why not expend the ones currently in place? Increase staffing and officer levels, provide them with better equipment. Or, maybe, he wants something along the lines of the Minutmen?

I don't think he necessarily was saying that we need ANOTHER type of police force, only that we fully and effectively fund our existing one.

[avatar4321]

Obama has talked about:

Limiting free speech
Taking guns away
Building this Civilian military force
staying in office for 10 years.
He has used government information to attack civilians.

Let's be reasonable here. President Bush never did anything like this and the left was trying to claim he was a dictator to life. Now we have PE Obama doing this and its no big deal?

WTH?!

[Yurt]

Obama has talked about:

Limiting free speech
Taking guns away
Building this Civilian military force
staying in office for 10 years.
He has used government information to attack civilians.

Let's be reasonable here. President Bush never did anything like this and the left was trying to claim he was a dictator to life. Now we have PE Obama doing this and its no big deal?

WTH?!

mob mentality, evil thoughts abound

[Silver]

I don't think he necessarily was saying that we need ANOTHER type of police force, only that we fully and effectively fund our existing one.

Well...you're partially right.."YOU DON'T THINK"....
You got that right....
The chimp said nothing about a 'police force' or 'funding our present police force'....Just where do you come up with that shit?
Rationalization may work for you in justifying your koolade mentality, but it just ain't gonna pass the sniff test otherwise....
A Civilian Security Force, as powerful as the military....thats the chimps words....and it should put all of us on our guard...

[retiredman]

Well...you're partially right.."YOU DON'T THINK"....
You got that right....
The chimp said nothing about a 'police force' or 'funding our present police force'....Just where do you come up with that shit?
Rationalization may work for you in justifying your koolade mentality, but it just ain't gonna pass the sniff test otherwise....
A Civilian Security Force, as powerful as the military....thats the chimps words....and it should put all of us on our guard...

be on your guard. by all means. I recommend that you sleep with one eye open...just in case that "civilian security force" comes knocking on your door in the dead of night.:lol:

[REDWHITEBLUE2]

be on your guard. by all means. I recommend that you sleep with one eye open...just in case that "civilian security force" comes knocking on your door in the dead of night.:lol:then if they do it will be knock knock BANG BANG

[bullypulpit]

Never stopped you from allying with those lunatics who thought Bush would annoint himself dictator for life. However, unlike you we actually have some reasons to worry.

Examples please, and evidence...objective independently verifiable evidence...with links.

[Silver]

be on your guard. by all means. I recommend that you sleep with one eye open...just in case that "civilian security force" comes knocking on your door in the dead of night.:lol:

Yeah, yeah...big joke to you now...
You, the same fuckin' idiot clown that ranted and raved about Bush listening in on your phone call to the fuckin' pizza delivery man...spying on you....depriving you of your precious rights....even though it was all only in your imagination...

[retiredman]

Yeah, yeah...big joke to you now...
You, the same fuckin' idiot clown that ranted and raved about Bush listening in on your phone call to the fuckin' pizza delivery man...spying on you....depriving you of your precious rights....even though it was all only in your imagination...

Bush's warrantless wiretaps on American citizens were, I believe, a violation of the constitution.

I see nothing unconstitutional in Obama's call for more well funded police forces.

[red states rule]

Bush's warrantless wiretaps on American citizens were, I believe, a violation of the constitution.

I see nothing unconstitutional in Obama's call for more well funded police forces.

There were no warrantless wiretaps on American citizens

Remember, Obama voted FOR THE FISA BILL - so are you saying your messiah was - gasp - made a msitake????

[Yurt]

the problem with obama's suggestion is that it is ludicrous, not necessary and fiscally irresponsible. as has been pointed out before, his plan sounds eerily similar to the SS in germany in the 30's, but my guess is, most of the left is ok with that

[stephanie]

this is the LIBERALS today, trying to spin their Messiahs words...

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m268/alaskamomma/2irpzr6.gif

[red states rule]

the problem with obama's suggestion is that it is ludicrous, not necessary and fiscally irresponsible. as has been pointed out before, his plan sounds eerily similar to the SS in germany in the 30's, but my guess is, most of the left is ok with that

http://images.quickblogcast.com/35238-32833/ObamaYouth2.jpg

[Yurt]

this is the LIBERALS today, trying to spin their Messiahs words...

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m268/alaskamomma/2irpzr6.gif

yeah its funny, he has even altered his website to hide his true intentions when the first hit the blogsophere...more change

what amazes me is how so many on the left have no problem with this. if obama does it, it is ok, like FISA, they ripped bush apart for that, but obama votes for it after promising not to, and oh well, no big deal. i seriously do not understand the cult like following he has.

[red states rule]

yeah its funny, he has even altered his website to hide his true intentions when the first hit the blogsophere...more change

what amazes me is how so many on the left have no problem with this. if obama does it, it is ok, like FISA, they ripped bush apart for that, but obama votes for it after promising not to, and oh well, no big deal. i seriously do not understand the cult like following he has.

This is so obvious I just don't understand why most people can't see it coming. Shut up the media, first, talk radio, then pack the courts with far left liberals, establish the national security force, destroy the 2nd amendment and there you are.

[hjmick]

I see nothing unconstitutional in Obama's call for more well funded police forces.

Except that we're not certain he was referring to "more well funded police forces." If he was, why not say as much? I would argue that his words tell a different story.

His exact words:


We can not continue to rely only on our military to achieve the national security objectives that we have set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.

There is nothing there, absolutely nothing, that can possibly lead anyone to believe he was referring to law enforcement agencies already in existence. He states, "We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded." His choice of words indicate that the entity he is suggesting does not yet exist.

[Immanuel]

Bush's warrantless wiretaps on American citizens were, I believe, a violation of the constitution.

I see nothing unconstitutional in Obama's call for more well funded police forces.

I was going to comment on this but as I read down further, I saw hjmick's post on the subject and I would like to add my name to his remarks. He [PE Obama] was not speaking of increasing the funding of the police force.


There were no warrantless wiretaps on American citizens



So we are told... believe him if you will.

Immie

[Trigg]

Here is an interview with Rahm Emmanuel on Mandatory Civil Defense. He mentions nothing about a stronger police force, only that EVERYONE 18-25 will be required to attend 3 months of Civil Defense Training.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0B7dOQwKm0&feature=related

[Immanuel]

Here is an interview with Rahm Emmanuel on Mandatory Civil Defense. He mentions nothing about a stronger police force, only that EVERYONE 18-25 will be required to attend 3 months of Civil Defense Training.



If that were all it was going to be, that would not be such a terrible thing, but somehow, I think the what comes next was left out of the video. That is NOT a Civil Security Force as strong or well funded as the U.S. Military.

Immie

[Trigg]

If that were all it was going to be, that would not be such a terrible thing, but somehow, I think the what comes next was left out of the video. That is NOT a Civil Security Force as strong or well funded as the U.S. Military.

Immie

I see this as a step toward bringing back the draft, why else would we need civilians trained in military combat???????

We already have the police force and the national guard......what is Obama up to with this???????

[Immanuel]

I see this as a step toward bringing back the draft, why else would we need civilians trained in military combat???????

We already have the police force and the national guard......what is Obama up to with this???????

I don't see it as a step to the draft. I don't think Obama is interested in drafting people into the Military. The only way I can take his words are that he wants a security force dedicated to him that is as strong and well funded as the U.S. Military. I can not conceive of any other possible meaning of his words.

And what concerns me is why he would want such a thing. We have the National Guard. Why does he want a force of thugs that is as strong and well funded as the military?

Immie

[stephanie]

It will be interesting to see how much the libbies love their Messiah if he tries and brings back the draft..

Unfortunately with all the foreign countries already flexing their muscle since they see a weakling in as our President, he just might have to bring back the draft..

[hjmick]

I see this as a step toward bringing back the draft, why else would we need civilians trained in military combat???????

We already have the police force and the national guard......what is Obama up to with this???????


The Sturm Obamung.

Like it or not, it is difficult to deny the similarities between Obama’s idea of a “civil security force” and Hitler’s Ordnertruppen.

For those unfamiliar, the Ordnertruppen was a group of civilians, mostly ex-soldiers and beer hall brawlers, organized by Hitler to protect Nazi Party meetings from being disrupted. After a particularly nasty confrontation in November of 1921, they became the Sturm Abteilung, also known as “brownshirts.” Sturm Abteilung groups formed throughout Germany. They were essentially a civilian paramilitary force loyal to Hitler. The SA became so hungry for power; they eventually saw themselves as the replacement for the German army.

End of history lesson.

Unless and until Obama explains what he meant by a “civil security force,” we are left to wonder it’s meaning; with nothing but history upon which to draw comparisons.

Whether you think people expressing concern over Obama’s vague mention of a civil security force are “an endless source of amusement” or reactionary alarmists, ask yourself this: Do you want an armed and empowered group of individuals running around your city, righting wrongs? What would their mandate be? Would they take oaths to protect and defend the Constitution, or the President himself? Who would make up this force? If it were Bush talking about a “civil security force” what would your reaction be?

Every state already has a civilian defense force; it’s called the National Guard. Every city already has a police department. Every county a sheriff’s department. Ask yourself what will be the “Sturm Obamung’s” purpose?

Sixty years from now, will children read in history books about the Sturm Obamung “protecting Democrat Party gatherings from disruption by the Conservatives and Christians?”




I originally posted this in the seemingly dead "Watch out! Obama is another Hitler!" thread. I'm not sure whether it died because of the title or my posts in it, but there ya go.

[Yurt]

Here is an interview with Rahm Emmanuel on Mandatory Civil Defense. He mentions nothing about a stronger police force, only that EVERYONE 18-25 will be required to attend 3 months of Civil Defense Training.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0B7dOQwKm0&feature=related

that is disturbing. i do not believe american principles stand for such a thing. it would nothing short of 3 months of government propaganda is what it sounds like to me. if you want to join the military when the is no draft, it is your choice. but to require some civil defense training is sounding more and more like the SS in the 30's.

[Yurt]

The Sturm Obamung.

Like it or not, it is difficult to deny the similarities between Obama’s idea of a “civil security force” and Hitler’s Ordnertruppen.

For those unfamiliar, the Ordnertruppen was a group of civilians, mostly ex-soldiers and beer hall brawlers, organized by Hitler to protect Nazi Party meetings from being disrupted. After a particularly nasty confrontation in November of 1921, they became the Sturm Abteilung, also known as “brownshirts.” Sturm Abteilung groups formed throughout Germany. They were essentially a civilian paramilitary force loyal to Hitler. The SA became so hungry for power; they eventually saw themselves as the replacement for the German army.

End of history lesson.

Unless and until Obama explains what he meant by a “civil security force,” we are left to wonder it’s meaning; with nothing but history upon which to draw comparisons.

Whether you think people expressing concern over Obama’s vague mention of a civil security force are “an endless source of amusement” or reactionary alarmists, ask yourself this: Do you want an armed and empowered group of individuals running around your city, righting wrongs? What would their mandate be? Would they take oaths to protect and defend the Constitution, or the President himself? Who would make up this force? If it were Bush talking about a “civil security force” what would your reaction be?

Every state already has a civilian defense force; it’s called the National Guard. Every city already has a police department. Every county a sheriff’s department. Ask yourself what will be the “Sturm Obamung’s” purpose?

Sixty years from now, will children read in history books about the Sturm Obamung “protecting Democrat Party gatherings from disruption by the Conservatives and Christians?”




I originally posted this in the seemingly dead "Watch out! Obama is another Hitler!" thread. I'm not sure whether it died because of the title or my posts in it, but there ya go.

excellent, information

[Immanuel]

Whether you think people expressing concern over Obama’s vague mention of a civil security force are “an endless source of amusement” or reactionary alarmists, ask yourself this: Do you want an armed and empowered group of individuals running around your city, righting wrongs? What would their mandate be? Would they take oaths to protect and defend the Constitution, or the President himself? Who would make up this force? If it were Bush talking about a “civil security force” what would your reaction be?



I would be just as upset as I was at the mention of the Patriot Act, NSA Wiretapping, the torturing of prisoners in prison camps or his request shortly after 9/11 that citizens be watchful of their neighbors and to turn in any suspicious people.

This security force concerns me. It may turn out to be nothing at all, but I would rather scream the sky is falling and have it be wrong than to keep my mouth shut and find out the sky has caved in.

Immie

[Trigg]

I'm not ready to make the SS leap. Obama would not gain the kind of power that entails in a (hopefully) 4 yr term.

I do worry where he's trying to go with this, IMO a police force and the national guard are enough to keep the peace. Unless he's envisioning some great uprising................

[retiredman]

There were no warrantless wiretaps on American citizens


that is ridiculous. of course there were.

[hjmick]

I'm not ready to make the SS leap. Obama would not gain the kind of power that entails in a (hopefully) 4 yr term.

I do worry where he's trying to go with this, IMO a police force and the national guard are enough to keep the peace. Unless he's envisioning some great uprising................

I agree, I don't see it happening either, I was merely pointing out the early parallels. The key is, as it is with any president or leader, for the citizenry to remain vigilant.

[red states rule]

that is ridiculous. of course there were.

BS

Do you have any idea how many phone calls are made in the US? It is impossible for the government to listen to everyones calls

It is more left wing lies that you pass along in a lame attempt to score political points

Well, now your party has the power - and the coddling of terrorists is about to begin

[gabosaurus]

What is the difference between this "citizens group" and the "citizens militias" that the gun nuts embrace so much. If we arm the "citizens groups" with guns, would that make you feel better?
And what is the difference between Dictator Obama and the last eight years of Dictator Bush?

[stephanie]

good golly miss molly..:eek:

[gabosaurus]

The first thing the "citizens groups" will do is hunt down right-wing pundits and talk show hosts and arrest them. Then send them to Gitmo. :D

[hjmick]

What is the difference between this "citizens group" and the "citizens militias" that the gun nuts embrace so much. If we arm the "citizens groups" with guns, would that make you feel better?
And what is the difference between Dictator Obama and the last eight years of Dictator Bush?

You apparently have not been paying attention. Barack is talking about arming this new "civilian national security force." I will type slowly:

"We can not continue to rely only on our military to achieve the national security objectives that we have set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."

[red states rule]

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/3434/obamastasirm8.jpg

[Immanuel]

What is the difference between this "citizens group" and the "citizens militias" that the gun nuts embrace so much. If we arm the "citizens groups" with guns, would that make you feel better?
And what is the difference between Dictator Obama and the last eight years of Dictator Bush?

1) Control.

2) No, it would not make me feel any better. What kind of control would these groups have to give up?

3) Although, I don't see Bush as a dictator, but I do believe he has devalued our Civil Rights, we would have to actually wait and see if P.E. Obama were to put this idea into process and how it actually turns out.

We're raising our concerns at the moment, but to date, Obama has not given his thoughts on what he said. It is quite possible that he is listening to how Americans have taken the idea and he will realize that what we think he meant is not what he meant or that what he actually meant is a bad idea and deserves to be put to rest.

Immie

[Immanuel]

The first thing the "citizens groups" will do is hunt down right-wing pundits and talk show hosts and arrest them. Then send them to Gitmo. :D

I know you are joking, but that is what has many people concerned.

Immie

[Trigg]

What is the difference between this "citizens group" and the "citizens militias" that the gun nuts embrace so much. If we arm the "citizens groups" with guns, would that make you feel better?
And what is the difference between Dictator Obama and the last eight years of Dictator Bush?

The difference is that groups like the Michigan militia are watched carefully and tabs are kept on their members.

A citizen group, like Obama seems to be talking about, would be funded and organized by his administration and it would be MANDATORY.

Again, why would we need this group when we already have police forces and the national guard. What would this group add to that security and WHY do we need additional security here in the US??????????????


Instead of jumping in with a flippant answer, try thinking this through.

Is he worried about a civil war????? Is he worried about terrorism?????

[Gaffer]

The next two years will be very telling. The messiah will consolidate his power. With the help of the congress he can and will do a lot of things. The civilian defense force will be his personal police to enforce his rule. The control of the media means you will not hear the news about the crackdowns taking place and the silencing of individuals. In fact they will paint a rosy picture of the messiahs reign.

Think about it. What purpose would such a force have? We have the military. That is our defense force. It includes the National Guard and Reserves. We have police forces throughout the country. Defense forces are designed to defend against offensive forces. From where? Why is there a need to have them armed and funded like the military? Unless there is an ulterior motive here.

We are witnessing a dictator in the making here. And his cult followers are lining up to defend him and do his bidding.

[bullypulpit]

Originally Posted by <b>avatar4321</b>
Never stopped you from allying with those lunatics who thought Bush would annoint himself dictator for life. However, unlike you we actually have some reasons to worry.


Examples please, and evidence...objective independently verifiable evidence...with links.

It was a rhetorical question anyways, as I already knew what the response would be...None. :laugh2:

[bullypulpit]

I know you are joking, but that is what has many people concerned.

Immie

Concerned..? About what? Ain't gonna happen. Sheesh...And I thought I was paranoid about Bush, and with far greater reason than anything Obama has ever demonstrated. The right wing-nut delusions make my paranoia seem normal and healthy. :salute:

[Yurt]

Concerned..? About what? Ain't gonna happen. Sheesh...And I thought I was paranoid about Bush, and with far greater reason than anything Obama has ever demonstrated. The right wing-nut delusions make my paranoia seem normal and healthy. :salute:

so of course you are right to be paranoid about bush...

how partisan

why is it you won't defend obama's vote for FISA and his the issue of his security force, among other things...

what exactly did bush do to cause you paranoia

[gabosaurus]

what exactly did bush do to cause you paranoia

The so-called "Patriot Act" for one thing. I will feel better when it is repealed. Or applied only to right-wing Republicans. :D

[Yurt]

The so-called "Patriot Act" for one thing. I will feel better when it is repealed. Or applied only to right-wing Republicans. :D

um, you do realize that bush did not create the bill, he only signed it after it passed by wide margins in both house and senate by both dems and repubs

and obama voted YES in 2006 for the extension of the patriot act :laugh2:

next

[Kathianne]

um, you do realize that bush did not create the bill, he only signed it after it passed by wide margins in both house and senate by both dems and repubs

and obama voted YES in 2006 for the extension of the patriot act :laugh2:

next

Perhaps more importantly for Gabby, Obama has pretty much intimated he wants those options.

[red states rule]

um, you do realize that bush did not create the bill, he only signed it after it passed by wide margins in both house and senate by both dems and repubs

and obama voted YES in 2006 for the extension of the patriot act :laugh2:

next

and the chosen one voted for the final version of the FISA bill - after saying he would lead a fillabuster to defeat it

[bullypulpit]

um, you do realize that bush did not create the bill, he only signed it after it passed by wide margins in both house and senate by both dems and repubs

and obama voted YES in 2006 for the extension of the patriot act :laugh2:

next

Actually, Bush railroaded the bill through Congress in the aftermath of 9/11, playing the fear card, both of terrorism and political blowback for those who voted against it. As for Obama's vote on the re-authorization and FISA, he was wrong, as was anyone else who voted for them. As for his security, he has received a disproportionately large number of death threats, particularly those that are racially motivated. And the Bush administration provided a far more real and valid threat to the Republic than anything Barak Obama has thus far demonstrated to be.

Now, if you provide concrete, independently verifiable evidence that Barak Obama is a threat to the Republic and the Constitution upon which it stands, I will examine it dispassionately. If there is merit, I will say so, If not I will say so.

[Immanuel]

Concerned..? About what? Ain't gonna happen. Sheesh...And I thought I was paranoid about Bush, and with far greater reason than anything Obama has ever demonstrated. The right wing-nut delusions make my paranoia seem normal and healthy. :salute:

Far greater reason?

You never heard Bush proposing to set up his own private police force... one with power and funding equal to the U.S. military, did you?

What happens when a protester wants to protest in an area where Bush is speaking? He gets relegated to a street five blocks away and traffic gets routed around him.

What will happen when a protester wants to protest something President Obama is doing? Will he get a knock on the door in the middle of the night and find himself staring at 12 Civilian Security Force Agents who take exception to his point of view? Will they enter his home with "warrants" and tear the place up? Will he suddenly disappear never to be heard from again?

What possible reason can President Obama have for such a force besides that which I am concerned about?

You are a relatively reasonable person. What happens when you disagree with President Obama and state so on this site? Do not think you won't be staring at 12 Civilian Security Force Agents in the middle of the night.

Immie

[Immanuel]

The so-called "Patriot Act" for one thing. I will feel better when it is repealed. Or applied only to right-wing Republicans. :D

I'm all for repealing it. But, don't count on President Obama asking to have it repealed. Once the government feels the power they don't give it up too easily.

Don't forget, someday, the pendulum will swing right again.

Don't forget what Martin Niemoller said:

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller




When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

Don't be the one they come to get last.

I was opposed to the Patriot Act from day one, because of this very quote for one thing. The Patriot Act was bad law but it was only one step in the process.

I don't know for sure that Obama's C.S.F. will be the nightmare that the Third Reich was during Hitler's reign of terror, or Saddam's goons during his time, but if it is simply the next step in the process, then we had all better stand against it or as surely as America is and was the greatest nation on earth we will fall separately.

You are my sister, Gabby. Despite the fact that you are a liberal, I will stand for your rights as I know you would stand for mine. I just hope neither one of us, stand too late.

Immie

[Yurt]

Actually, Bush railroaded the bill through Congress in the aftermath of 9/11, playing the fear card, both of terrorism and political blowback for those who voted against it. As for Obama's vote on the re-authorization and FISA, he was wrong, as was anyone else who voted for them. As for his security, he has received a disproportionately large number of death threats, particularly those that are racially motivated. And the Bush administration provided a far more real and valid threat to the Republic than anything Barak Obama has thus far demonstrated to be.

Now, if you provide concrete, independently verifiable evidence that Barak Obama is a threat to the Republic and the Constitution upon which it stands, I will examine it dispassionately. If there is merit, I will say so, If not I will say so.

yet obama voted with bush :laugh2:

and where is your evidence?

[Gaffer]

Actually, Bush railroaded the bill through Congress in the aftermath of 9/11, playing the fear card, both of terrorism and political blowback for those who voted against it. As for Obama's vote on the re-authorization and FISA, he was wrong, as was anyone else who voted for them. As for his security, he has received a disproportionately large number of death threats, particularly those that are racially motivated. And the Bush administration provided a far more real and valid threat to the Republic than anything Barak Obama has thus far demonstrated to be.

Now, if you provide concrete, independently verifiable evidence that Barak Obama is a threat to the Republic and the Constitution upon which it stands, I will examine it dispassionately. If there is merit, I will say so, If not I will say so.

Unfortunately the concrete, independently verifiable evidence you want will not be known until it is too late. You bought into his line hook, line, and sinker. By the time you understand what's really happening it will be too late to do anything about it.

How far will you allow him to go before your stand against him?

[red states rule]

So now folks are required to serve in the Obama Security Force.

The "training" may be something like this

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[bullypulpit]

yet obama voted with bush :laugh2:

and where is your evidence?

Presented many times and in many places on this board...Provisions of the PATRIOT Act which subvert the Constitution...Executive orders and signing statements which subvert the Constitution and the Doctrine of the Separation of Powers...and <a href=http://www.allacademic.com/one/www/www/index.php?cmd=www_search&offset=0&limit=5&multi_search_search_mode=publication&multi_search_publication_fulltext_mod=fulltext&textfield_submit=true&search_module=multi_search&search=Search&search_field=title_idx&fulltext_search=The+War+Crimes+of+George+W.+Bush>The War Crimes of George W. Bush</a>. This latter is an enlightening read.

Where is YOUR proof?

[red states rule]

Presented many times and in many places on this board...Provisions of the PATRIOT Act which subvert the Constitution...Executive orders and signing statements which subvert the Constitution and the Doctrine of the Separation of Powers...and <a href=http://www.allacademic.com/one/www/www/index.php?cmd=www_search&offset=0&limit=5&multi_search_search_mode=publication&multi_search_publication_fulltext_mod=fulltext&textfield_submit=true&search_module=multi_search&search=Search&search_field=title_idx&fulltext_search=The+War+Crimes+of+George+W.+Bush>The War Crimes of George W. Bush</a>. This latter is an enlightening read.

Amazing BP. Libs like you scream for the rights of terrorists - yet could not care less for the rigths of your fellow US citizens

Must be a liberal thing

[Immanuel]

Presented many times and in many places on this board...Provisions of the PATRIOT Act which subvert the Constitution...Executive orders and signing statements which subvert the Constitution and the Doctrine of the Separation of Powers...and <a href=http://www.allacademic.com/one/www/www/index.php?cmd=www_search&offset=0&limit=5&multi_search_search_mode=publication&multi_search_publication_fulltext_mod=fulltext&textfield_submit=true&search_module=multi_search&search=Search&search_field=title_idx&fulltext_search=The+War+Crimes+of+George+W.+Bush>The War Crimes of George W. Bush</a>. This latter is an enlightening read.

Where is YOUR proof?


Amazing BP. Libs like you scream for the rights of terrorists - yet could not care less for the rigths of your fellow US citizens

Must be a liberal thing

Looks to me like he does care or he would not be pointing out issues like the Patriot Act.

Immie

[red states rule]

Looks to me like he does care or he would not be pointing out issues like the Patriot Act.

Immie

I am still waiting for BP to tell me what rights he has lost or have been tinkered with in the last 8 years

Libs like BP are long on whining but short on facts

[bullypulpit]

Amazing BP. Libs like you scream for the rights of terrorists - yet could not care less for the rigths of your fellow US citizens

Must be a liberal thing

Actually, given that I have repeated voiced concerns over the violation of the rights of US citizens under the Bush administration you are, as ever, wrong. :laugh2:

[red states rule]

Actually, given that I have repeated voiced concerns over the violation of the rights of US citizens under the Bush administration you are, as ever, wrong. :laugh2:

and those right are??????

[Yurt]

Presented many times and in many places on this board...Provisions of the PATRIOT Act which subvert the Constitution...Executive orders and signing statements which subvert the Constitution and the Doctrine of the Separation of Powers...and <a href=http://www.allacademic.com/one/www/www/index.php?cmd=www_search&offset=0&limit=5&multi_search_search_mode=publication&multi_search_publication_fulltext_mod=fulltext&textfield_submit=true&search_module=multi_search&search=Search&search_field=title_idx&fulltext_search=The+War+Crimes+of+George+W.+Bush>The War Crimes of George W. Bush</a>. This latter is an enlightening read.

Where is YOUR proof?

1. why is obama innocent if he voted with bush and why do you condemn bush for the same things obama voted for yet do not lay blame or criticism on obama?

2. bush has never been tried, nor any claim brought against him, so what you presented is not proof of anything, but mere allegations. and i know that you are smart enough to know that allegations do not equal proof.

next

[Immanuel]

I am still waiting for BP to tell me what rights he has lost or have been tinkered with in the last 8 years

Libs like BP are long on whining but short on facts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act

Here you go. Take a look at the section entitled "Controversy" and remember it when Obama's C.S.F. comes knocking on your door.

I expect BP will be one of the first to stand up and say... whoa there Uncle Obama!

Immie

[red states rule]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act

Here you go. Take a look at the section entitled "Controversy" and remember it when Obama's C.S.F. comes knocking on your door.

I expect BP will be one of the first to stand up and say... whoa there Uncle Obama!

Immie

BP has no problem with conservtaive talk radio being silenced, so why would he be worried about if Obama's Security Force shows up at my door

Aswith the video I posted, BP would say once I have the correct attitude, I will be fine within the Obama nation

[Yurt]

i quickly read those allegations, what a farce and you think berg is out of his mind, come on, bush is not responsible for all those allegations, give me a break.

i guarantee you bush will never be tried for anything on that laughable paper

[red states rule]

1. why is obama innocent if he voted with bush and why do you condemn bush for the same things obama voted for yet do not lay blame or criticism on obama?

2. bush has never been tried, nor any claim brought against him, so what you presented is not proof of anything, but mere allegations. and i know that you are smart enough to know that allegations do not equal proof.

next

Like with MFM, since Obama has a "D" at the end of his name - BP gives him a pass and looks the other way

With pres Bush, it is acommon belief with liberals that it does not matter if Pres Bush has been charged or there is no evidence he has done anything wong. the seriousness of the "charges" warrents investigation and shows there is a serious issue to be resolved

[bullypulpit]

BP has no problem with conservtaive talk radio being silenced, so why would he be worried about if Obama's Security Force shows up at my door

Aswith the video I posted, BP would say once I have the correct attitude, I will be fine within the Obama nation

Actually, I would have a problem with conservative talk radio being silenced if that were actually the case. I am a firm believer in the notion that silly ideas need to be ridiculed mercilessly, and in the absence of conservative talk radio, there will be no outlet for those ideas.

Now, please enlighten me as to the existence of this "Obama Security Force". Please provide links. As for your attitude, only you can decide that. I would have thought being so brutally faced with your own mortality you would become more reflective. Instead you ahve simply become more strident, unthinking and bitter in you posts.

Zei gezunt.

[red states rule]

Actually, I would have a problem with conservative talk radio being silenced if that were actually the case. I am a firm believer in the notion that silly ideas need to be ridiculed mercilessly, and in the absence of conservative talk radio, there will be no outlet for those ideas.

Now, please enlighten me as to the existence of this "Obama Security Force". Please provide links. As for your attitude, only you can decide that. I would have thought being so brutally faced with your own mortality you would become more reflective. Instead you ahve simply become more strident, unthinking and bitter in you posts.

Zei gezunt.

Once again playing dumb eh BP?

There have been several threads on it including video of Obama's new Chief of Shaft talking about the REQUIRED service

The Dems are foaming at the mouth to bring back the Fairness Doctrine to silence all dissenting voices and have 100% liberal media coverage of the messiah

[Yurt]

Actually, I would have a problem with conservative talk radio being silenced if that were actually the case. I am a firm believer in the notion that silly ideas need to be ridiculed mercilessly, and in the absence of conservative talk radio, there will be no outlet for those ideas.

Now, please enlighten me as to the existence of this "Obama Security Force". Please provide links. As for your attitude, only you can decide that. I would have thought being so brutally faced with your own mortality you would become more reflective. Instead you ahve simply become more strident, unthinking and bitter in you posts.

Zei gezunt.

you seriously do not know about obama's civilian security force that will equal the military?

1. why is obama innocent if he voted with bush and why do you condemn bush for the same things obama voted for yet do not lay blame or criticism on obama?

[red states rule]

you seriously do not know about obama's civilian security force that will equal the military?

1. why is obama innocent if he voted with bush and why do you condemn bush for the same things obama voted for yet do not lay blame or criticism on obama?

Obama wants others to "serve" but he had a problem doing his part

Did Next Commander-in-Chief Falsify Selective Service Registration? Never Actually Register? Obama's Draft Registration Raises Serious Questions

The official campaign for President may be over. But Barack Obama's Selective Service registration card and accompanying documents show that questions about him are not only NOT over, but if the signature on the document is in fact his, our next Commander-in-Chief may have committed a federal crime in 2008, well within the statute of limitations on the matter. If it is not his, then it's proof positive that our next Commander-in-Chief never registered with the Selective Service as required by law. By law, he was required to register and was legally able to do so until the age of 26.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/

[Yurt]

Obama wants others to "serve" but he had a problem doing his part

Did Next Commander-in-Chief Falsify Selective Service Registration? Never Actually Register? Obama's Draft Registration Raises Serious Questions

The official campaign for President may be over. But Barack Obama's Selective Service registration card and accompanying documents show that questions about him are not only NOT over, but if the signature on the document is in fact his, our next Commander-in-Chief may have committed a federal crime in 2008, well within the statute of limitations on the matter. If it is not his, then it's proof positive that our next Commander-in-Chief never registered with the Selective Service as required by law. By law, he was required to register and was legally able to do so until the age of 26.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/

maybe make a thread, seems interesting