Gay threats target Christians over Prop 8

[avatar4321]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80220

Ive always believed the gay marriage push is specifically to give groups like this legal justification to attack Christians more than marriage itself. Looks like im not too disappointed. I wish I was.

[Yurt]

i certainly hope these folks are in the extreme minority...

what is interesting to me, is that if this was gun owners getting upset over a gun ban, the left would be all over us claiming we are extremists and anti american...watch, the left will remain silent over their threats of violence and largely silent if any actual violence occurs.

[manu1959]

there are nut jobs on every side of every issue......nice sweeping generalization....

[avatar4321]

there are nut jobs on every side of every issue......nice sweeping generalization....

Lately, it seems as if everyone on the left is a nut job. Quite frankly, I don't get it.

[YamiB.]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80220

Ive always believed the gay marriage push is specifically to give groups like this legal justification to attack Christians more than marriage itself. Looks like im not too disappointed. I wish I was.

Once again I'll point out that it is your side who is attacking religious freedom on this issue, though I guess you don't really care as long as it's your particular religious beliefs that are held as superior and enshrined in law.

I think that it is crazy to take a couple of extremists and use it to paint the whole movement. MLK was exactly the same as Malcom X right?

I doesn't surprise me that some of the more extreme supporters of gay rights would start getting pushed to an even more extreme stance because of the continued denial of equal treatment under the law. The continued refusal has made them angry and their anger naturally went towards the biggest force against having them treated equally in this country. Besides the whole violence issue though this is wrong as well because it is doing the same thing that avatar is trying to do here. There are plenty of Christians that recognize what the right thing to do is and are supporting gay rights, and it would be wrong to ignore their contribution by portraying all Christians as the enemies of homosexuals.

[avatar4321]

Once again I'll point out that it is your side who is attacking religious freedom on this issue, though I guess you don't really care as long as it's your particular religious beliefs that are held as superior and enshrined in law.

I think that it is crazy to take a couple of extremists and use it to paint the whole movement. MLK was exactly the same as Malcom X right?

I doesn't surprise me that some of the more extreme supporters of gay rights would start getting pushed to an even more extreme stance because of the continued denial of equal treatment under the law. The continued refusal has made them angry and their anger naturally went towards the biggest force against having them treated equally in this country. Besides the whole violence issue though this is wrong as well because it is doing the same thing that avatar is trying to do here. There are plenty of Christians that recognize what the right thing to do is and are supporting gay rights, and it would be wrong to ignore their contribution by portraying all Christians as the enemies of homosexuals.

Gay marriage is a moral issue. Morals transcend religions. Or atleast thats what our athiest friends always tell us. It seems that truth is only convenient for you when you cant use it to attack religious people speaking out on their conscience. To people like you we should all just shut up, bend over, and let you have your say in society.

I dont put up with that crap.

[manu1959]

Lately, it seems as if everyone on the left is a nut job. Quite frankly, I don't get it.

i guess compared to a few here i am left of you all.....am i a nut job....

[YamiB.]

Gay marriage is a moral issue. Morals transcend religions. Or atleast thats what our athiest friends always tell us. It seems that truth is only convenient for you when you cant use it to attack religious people speaking out on their conscience. To people like you we should all just shut up, bend over, and let you have your say in society.

I dont put up with that crap.

What real reasons to be people have to ban same-sex marriage besides their religious reasons? If they're using religious reasons they're being inconsistent because they don't try to have all sins banned through law.

My side isn't attacking religion your side is. Only one side is trying to control what is considered a real marriage outside of their own churches, only one side is trying to force their religious beliefs on another.

What moral reasons do you have to think that same-sex marriage should be banned?

[Yurt]

i guess compared to a few here i am left of you all.....am i a nut job....

did you need to ask? :laugh2:

[manu1959]

What real reasons to be people have to ban same-sex marriage besides their religious reasons? If they're using religious reasons they're being inconsistent because they don't try to have all sins banned through law.

My side isn't attacking religion your side is. Only one side is trying to control what is considered a real marriage outside of their own churches, only one side is trying to force their religious beliefs on another.

What moral reasons do you have to think that same-sex marriage should be banned?

marriage is a religious rite that has been co-opeted by the government....under seperation of church and state that was wrong....

if the government wants to grant civil unions to whomever...go for it....but do not tell the church how to run its business.....the government sure seems to not want the church dictating how it runs its business.....

ya can't have it both ways....

[YamiB.]

marriage is a religious rite that has been co-opeted by the government....under seperation of church and state that was wrong....

if the government wants to grant civil unions to whomever...go for it....but do not tell the church how to run its business.....the government sure seems to not want the church dictating how it runs its business.....

ya can't have it both ways....

Marriage is not soley a religious institution it is also an important social one. Just because it has been handled primarily through the Christian church in Christian dominated areas that does not mean that they have sole control over it. They of course have control of how it is handled within their churches as has been the case with marriage regulations throughout our history. The seperation of church and state has already been effectively applied in a similar situation. The state would not be allowed to deny somebody marriage because they're atheists or because one of them is Buddhist, but churches are allowed to do this and commonly do. It is the church that is trying to overstep it's bounds by using their rules for marriage to determine how it is handled for everybody in the legal world.

As I said in the other thread civil unions are fine as long as they're given to everybody and there are no legal rights attached to marriage. The likelihood of the institution being treated in an unequal matter is much less likely if it is one that the majority belongs to as well.

[crin63]

Thanks to Homosexuals attacking churches to try and silence them from preaching against homosexuality I had to go to a legal workshop to limit my churches liability against lawsuits. Due to Sarbane-Oxley attacks against churches by homosexuals has dramatically increased according to a lawyer I know who defends churches. It also keeps it out of the media because of whistle blower protections.

My church preaches against all sexual sin not just homosexuality. We won't tolerate any sexual sin that we are aware of or become aware of.

[YamiB.]

Thanks to Homosexuals attacking churches to try and silence them from preaching against homosexuality I had to go to a legal workshop to limit my churches liability against lawsuits. Due to Sarbane-Oxley attacks against churches by homosexuals has dramatically increased according to a lawyer I know who defends churches. It also keeps it out of the media because of whistle blower protections.

My church preaches against all sexual sin not just homosexuality. We won't tolerate any sexual sin that we are aware of or become aware of.

Are you guys campaigning to have the worshiping of other gods outlawed? If not how do you defend such hypocrisy?

[bullypulpit]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80220

Ive always believed the gay marriage push is specifically to give groups like this legal justification to attack Christians more than marriage itself. Looks like im not too disappointed. I wish I was.

WorldNetDaily is hardly a reputable source on ANY issue, and the article links to no sources for these comments. Take it with a grain of salt.

[bullypulpit]

marriage is a religious rite that has been co-opeted by the government....under seperation of church and state that was wrong....

if the government wants to grant civil unions to whomever...go for it....but do not tell the church how to run its business.....the government sure seems to not want the church dictating how it runs its business.....

ya can't have it both ways....

No, it wasn't. The sole interest of the state in marriage is in the contractual relationship it establishes between the parties involved. Their religious preference, or lack thereof is irrelevant, as should be the gender of the parties involved.

[avatar4321]

i guess compared to a few here i am left of you all.....am i a nut job....

totally nuts;)

[emmett]

Once again I'll point out that it is your side who is attacking religious freedom on this issue, though I guess you don't really care as long as it's your particular religious beliefs that are held as superior and enshrined in law.

I think that it is crazy to take a couple of extremists and use it to paint the whole movement. MLK was exactly the same as Malcom X right?

I doesn't surprise me that some of the more extreme supporters of gay rights would start getting pushed to an even more extreme stance because of the continued denial of equal treatment under the law. The continued refusal has made them angry and their anger naturally went towards the biggest force against having them treated equally in this country. Besides the whole violence issue though this is wrong as well because it is doing the same thing that avatar is trying to do here. There are plenty of Christians that recognize what the right thing to do is and are supporting gay rights, and it would be wrong to ignore their contribution by portraying all Christians as the enemies of homosexuals.


Noone is denying them equal treatment! Prop 8 merely means they are not excepted as "married". They can do whatever they want to in their bedrooms. Noone is trying to restrict them from that!

The problem is (and bare in mind that I am a Libertarian so my belief is liberty) that homosexuals and other sexually disfunctional individuals such as lesbians, bio's and orgy lovers are distorting their positions by asking "normal" people to accept their agenda to have themselves recognized as normal married people. They aren't normal!

As a Libertarian I fully support gays rights to do what they want with whoever they want, as many as they want and so forth. I do not support recognizing them as married because they are not! Married people have children (I know you come back......save it). I don't mean the ones squirted into them after being frozen and not identifyable as to parent, I do not support paying the health costs under the new administration's upcoming National Health care plan for those homosexuals who contract AIDS as a result of their risky behavior. I also don't support the idea of recognizing them as married because I know the next thing is they will want survivors SS benefits.

If a homo or two or three or whatever are truely in love, why are they so worried that the rest of us will not recognize it. Who cares! It just goes to show that it is more about them shoving their agenda down our throats than being happy with the sickening choice they have made to be homoqueerable!

[YamiB.]

Noone is denying them equal treatment! Prop 8 merely means they are not excepted as "married". They can do whatever they want to in their bedrooms. Noone is trying to restrict them from that!

Yes, they are being denied equal treatment. Heterosexuals are currently allowed to marry the people they fall in love with or whatever way they pick their spouse without interference from the law and gain access to many rights that are attached to marriage at a state and federal level.



As a Libertarian I fully support gays rights to do what they want with whoever they want, as many as they want and so forth. I do not support recognizing them as married because they are not! Married people have children (I know you come back......save it). I don't mean the ones squirted into them after being frozen and not identifyable as to parent

You of course ignore that homosexuals can raise children, yes even without artificial insemination or surrogate mothers, there's this thing called adoption. Your assertion that having children is a requirement of marriage is contradicted that currently infertile people and people who do not plan to have any children are allowed to marry. If not being able to have children was the reason for banning same-sex couples from being married you would be for banning these people as well.


I also don't support the idea of recognizing them as married because I know the next thing is they will want survivors SS benefits.

And if this is exteneded to heterosexual couples why shouldn't it be given to homosexuals?



If a homo or two or three or whatever are truely in love, why are they so worried that the rest of us will not recognize it. Who cares! It just goes to show that it is more about them shoving their agenda down our throats than being happy with the sickening choice they have made to be homoqueerable!

I doubt most would really want your recognition I know after reading what you just wrote here and was gay I wouldn't give a crap about any recognition you might give me. What homosexuals do want is the same long list of rights that are given to heterosexuals when they are formed into a married couple.

[crin63]

Are you guys campaigning to have the worshiping of other gods outlawed? If not how do you defend such hypocrisy?

This country was founded on religious freedom. Not freedom for perverts to go against nature and carry on in public.

You are free to go back to the closet.

[YamiB.]

This country was founded on religious freedom. Not freedom for perverts to go against nature and carry on in public.

You are free to go back to the closet.

Do you think that it should be illegal because it is sinful behavior? If so, how is legislating your religious beliefs not infringing on the religious freedom of others?

[crin63]

Do you think that it should be illegal because it is sinful behavior? If so, how is legislating your religious beliefs not infringing on the religious freedom of others?

No, I don't think it should be illegal. I don't consider it a crime. Its more along the lines of pornography, hidden from public display.

[YamiB.]

No, I don't think it should be illegal. I don't consider it a crime. Its more along the lines of pornography, hidden from public display.

My mistake, I could have sworn I remembered you saying something in a previous thread about wanting same-sex marriage to stay illegal. I apologize for misrepresenting your views.

Obviously I don't really agree with your position on homosexuality, but for similar reasons you mentioned it would be ridiculous for me to try to change that through force of law (as if laws could change the way people feel). I'll just have to hope that overtime opinions will become more friendly towards the GLBT community.

[Yurt]

My mistake, I could have sworn I remembered you saying something in a previous thread about wanting same-sex marriage to stay illegal. I apologize for misrepresenting your views.

Obviously I don't really agree with your position on homosexuality, but for similar reasons you mentioned it would be ridiculous for me to try to change that through force of law (as if laws could change the way people feel). I'll just have to hope that overtime opinions will become more friendly towards the GLBT community.

do you support brother-sister marriage?

[manu1959]

do you support brother-sister marriage?

what does your sister look like..........

[Yurt]

what does your sister look like..........

i don't have a sister :poke:

[YamiB.]

do you support brother-sister marriage?

I suppose it would be acceptable if there was something put in place to counteract the problems of inbreeding. Is this a roundabout slippery slope argument?

[5stringJeff]

I know this is the politics forum, not the religion forum, but this type of behavior certainly seems to have been foretold:

For God's wrath is revealed from heaven against all godlessness and unrighteousness of people who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth, since what can be known about God is evident among them, because God has shown it to them. From the creation of the world His invisible attributes, that is, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what He has made. As a result, people are without excuse. For though they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God or show gratitude. Instead, their thinking became nonsense, and their senseless minds were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man, birds, four-footed animals, and reptiles. Therefore God delivered them over in the cravings of their hearts to sexual impurity, so that their bodies were degraded among themselves. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served something created instead of the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. This is why God delivered them over to degrading passions. For even their females exchanged natural sexual intercourse for what is unnatural. The males in the same way also left natural sexual intercourse with females and were inflamed in their lust for one another. Males committed shameless acts with males and received in their own persons the appropriate penalty for their perversion. And because they did not think it worthwhile to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them over to a worthless mind to do what is morally wrong. They are filled with all unrighteousness, evil, greed, and wickedness. They are full of envy, murder, disputes, deceit, and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, arrogant, proud, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, and unmerciful. Although they know full well God's just sentence -- that those who practice such things deserve to die -- they not only do them, but even applaud others who practice them. (Romans 1:19-32, Christian Standard Bible)

[crin63]

My mistake, I could have sworn I remembered you saying something in a previous thread about wanting same-sex marriage to stay illegal. I apologize for misrepresenting your views.

Obviously I don't really agree with your position on homosexuality, but for similar reasons you mentioned it would be ridiculous for me to try to change that through force of law (as if laws could change the way people feel). I'll just have to hope that overtime opinions will become more friendly towards the GLBT community.

Let me make myself clear to you. I obviously miscommunicated my position. I think same sex marriage should be illegal but I don't think homosexuality should necessarily be illegal. I will never accept the GLBT community as anything other than perverted and twisted. Its all sexual perversion. I also realize that it is only a matter of time and it will be legal because the perverts will never quit. They insist on warping the minds of children in school and shoving it down our throats. The have to recruit children to propagate their specie.

I am through with discussion at the moment as I don't wish to become rude.

[5stringJeff]

Let me make myself clear to you. I obviously miscommunicated my position. I think same sex marriage should be illegal but I don't think homosexuality should necessarily be illegal. I will never accept the GLBT community as anything other than perverted and twisted. Its all sexual perversion. I also realize that it is only a matter of time and it will be legal because the perverts will never quit. They insist on warping the minds of children in school and shoving it down our throats. The have to recruit children to propagate their specie.

I am through with discussion at the moment as I don't wish to become rude.

I agree completely.

[YamiB.]

To both of you why do you think that you should violate the religious freedom of people in our country by forcing us all to live according to your religious beliefs? How do you reconcile the hypocrisy of legislating some sins and not others?

[5stringJeff]

To both of you why do you think that you should violate the religious freedom of people in our country by forcing us all to live according to your religious beliefs? How do you reconcile the hypocrisy of legislating some sins and not others?

Where did we say that we wanted to outlaw homosexuality?