If Obama Wins, What Will You Miss About America?

[red states rule]

For me, here are a few

The 1st and 2nd Amendments.

Low taxes.

Military superiority.

Good healthcare.

and the freedom of capitalism

[manu1959]

For me, here are a few

The 1st and 2nd Amendments.

Low taxes.

Military superiority.

Good healthcare.

and the freedom of capitalism

and if none of that happens.....

[red states rule]

and if none of that happens.....

I will be shocked

Given what Obama wants to do, and what Reid and Pelosi are saying - it is what their agenda

[manu1959]

I will be shocked

Given what Obama wants to do, and what Reid and Pelosi are saying - it is what their agenda

well that is an opinion and a vote in the house and a vote in the senate....they will need a bit more than that..

they had control in the late 30's and late 60's and didn't accomplish much....

they have two years to be smart or they will be booted in 10

[Little-Acorn]

Courts that rule according to the law.

The right to own private property.

Being a citizen rather than a subject.

[red states rule]

well that is an opinion and a vote in the house and a vote in the senate....they will need a bit more than that..

they had control in the late 30's and late 60's and didn't accomplish much....

they have two years to be smart or they will be booted in 10

The 30's gave us the entitlement mentality we have today

The 60's gave us the 'war of poverty" that has seen about $9 trillion in wealth transfers

The late 70"s gave us the Community Reinvestment Act that led to the problems with Fannie and Freddie

Choices have consequences. Elections are choices.

If Obama wins, there WILL be consequences. They would be mostly negative.

[retiredman]

well that is an opinion and a vote in the house and a vote in the senate....they will need a bit more than that..

they had control in the late 30's and late 60's and didn't accomplish much....

they have two years to be smart or they will be booted in 10

exactly. If we get enough senators to stop most of the republican filibusters, we will need to make America appreciably better in two years or we will lose our majorities in congress.

[Abbey Marie]

well that is an opinion and a vote in the house and a vote in the senate....they will need a bit more than that..

they had control in the late 30's and late 60's and didn't accomplish much....

they have two years to be smart or they will be booted in 10

A "packed" SC has virtually no checks and balances and can do just about anything. Which is what our Repubs-turned-Libertarians refused to acknowledge these last few months in their zeal to show their dislike for McCain and the party. If we end up with President Hussein, I expect to be saying " I warned you" many, many times.

[manu1959]

A "packed" SC has virtually no checks and balances and can do just about anything. Which is what our Repubs-turned-Libertarians refused to acknowledge these last few months in their zeal to show their dislike for McCain and the party. If we end up with Presdient Hussein, I expect to be saying " I warned you" many, many times.

you know a packed judical branch can be checked by the legislative and executive branches....we have just never seen it happen....also we have had some very liberal scoutus and we survived...

[red states rule]

exactly. If we get enough senators to stop most of the republican filibusters, we will need to make America appreciably better in two years or we will lose our majorities in congress.

You had 60 seats in the 60's and late 70's and I pointed out the results. We are still paying for the unchecked liberalism to the tune of tens of trillions of taxpayer dollars

[Abbey Marie]

you know a packed judical branch can be checked by the legislative and executive branches....we have just never seen it happen....also we have had some very liberal scoutus and we survived...

How so? Whatever the leg. branch does, the court can call it unconsitutional, and that's about that.

[red states rule]

Given how Obama and Dems want to jack taxes through the roof, I am sure many workers will miss their jobs

[Gaffer]

In the 30's and 60's we had democrat majorities. We no longer have a democrat party. We will have a socialist majority with a socialist president, who will appoint a socialist SC. And it will only take a couple of years to completely undermine our government. It's the change he has told us about.

[retiredman]

You had 60 seats in the 60's and late 70's and I pointed out the results. We are still paying for the unchecked liberalism to the tune of tens of trillions of taxpayer dollars

like I said...if we don't make America appreciably better in two years, we'll lose our majorities in '10, or, at a minimum, have them significantly reduced.

[manu1959]

How so? Whatever the leg. branch does, the court can call it unconsitutional, and that's about that.

they can be impeached and removed....

or ignored like andrew jackson did.....

[red states rule]

like I said...if we don't make America appreciably better in two years, we'll lose our majorities in '10, or, at a minimum, have them significantly reduced.

but we will still be paying for your unchecked liberalism for generations to come.

Once libs start a government program, it has a longer life expectancy then human beings

[retiredman]

but we will still be paying for your unchecked liberalism for generations to come.

Once libs start a government program, it has a longer life expectancy then human beings

if America elects us, that will be proof that they want our liberal policies.

sorry.

[Gaffer]

like I said...if we don't make America appreciably better in two years, we'll lose our majorities in '10, or, at a minimum, have them significantly reduced.

What exactly do you consider appreciably better?

[red states rule]

if America elects us, that will be proof that they want our liberal policies.

sorry.

Not at all. Many voters are voting out of emotion, while their are some like the bimbo who yelles how if Obama wins she will not have to pay her mortage or for the gas she pumps into her car

Voters wanted change in 1976 - and we got Peanut carter and 60 Dems in the Senate - and we all remember the change they gace America

But the damage was done

[Abbey Marie]

they can be impeached and removed....

or ignored like andrew jackson did.....

That is so incredibly unlikely it's hardly worth thinking about. What is extremely likely, and should be on everyone's mind, is an unchecked agenda-driven court, who feels free, and is free, to overrule Congress and less agenda-driven lower courts at every turn with impunity. That is the reality we could face for the next 4 years or more.

[red states rule]

That is so incredibly unlikely it's hardly worth thinking about. What is extremely likely, and should be on everyone's mind, is an unchecked agenda-driven court, who feels free, and is free, to overrule Congress and less agenda-driven lower courts at every turn with impunity. That is the reality we could face for the next 4 years or more.

If the GOP can get their heads out of there collective asses, come sup with a plan based on conservative Ronald Reagan principles; and actually gets it out to the American people after Obama and the Dems screw things up like they will do - they can get back some of their losses in 2010.

I believe that once Obama & the Dems go mad with their power, and the American people see what big government is like, perhaps we can get an actual small government conservative in the Whitehouse again.

[Immanuel]

How can we even be asked to think about what we will miss the most? It is an unanswerable question until we see exactly what policies he puts into place.

We've heard talk of a Civilian Security Force. What form will that take? It could be a significant damper on human rights or it could simply be nothing at all. Maybe he was trying to reach out to people who support the 2nd Amendment and failed miserably. /shrug

We've heard of the reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine. What form will that take and will it be reinstated?

We've heard of Government run healthcare. What form will that take or will it even take form?

What haven't we heard that is on his agenda? I'm worried most about his radical connections. Where will those go in the future?

What will he do to the military and our defense?

There are so many things that could go wrong while he is President, but to date we don't really know what will happen. We also don't know that he won't do some things right when the time comes.

Immie

[red states rule]

I will miss my 401k after Obama and the Dems confiscates it, and gives it to somebody who didn't bother to save their own money.

[Gaffer]

If the GOP can get their heads out of there collective asses, come sup with a plan based on conservative Ronald Reagan principles; and actually gets it out to the American people after Obama and the Dems screw things up like they will do - they can get back some of their losses in 2010.

I believe that once Obama & the Dems go mad with their power, and the American people see what big government is like, perhaps we can get an actual small government conservative in the Whitehouse again.

Once the libs get their power they will NEVER give it up. Between the libs controlling the government and the press conservatives won't stand a chance of doing anything politically.

[red states rule]

How can we even be asked to think about what we will miss the most? It is an unanswerable question until we see exactly what policies he puts into place.

We've heard talk of a Civilian Security Force. What form will that take? It could be a significant damper on human rights or it could simply be nothing at all. Maybe he was trying to reach out to people who support the 2nd Amendment and failed miserably. /shrug

We've heard of the reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine. What form will that take and will it be reinstated?

We've heard of Government run healthcare. What form will that take or will it even take form?

What haven't we heard that is on his agenda? I'm worried most about his radical connections. Where will those go in the future?

What will he do to the military and our defense?

There are so many things that could go wrong while he is President, but to date we don't really know what will happen. We also don't know that he won't do some things right when the time comes.

Immie


Just look at Peanut Carter and you will see what the Obama years wil be like - only multiply the misery by a factor of at least 5

[red states rule]

Once the libs get their power they will NEVER give it up. Between the libs controlling the government and the press conservatives won't stand a chance of doing anything politically.

Ronald Reagan did it without talk radio or the internet

[manu1959]

Just look at Peanut Carter and you will see what the Obama years wil be like - only multiply the misery by a factor of at least 5

think first new deal....think second new deal......

[red states rule]

think first new deal....think second new deal......

You mean the new raw deal - if you work for a living AND pay taxes

My wallet is feeling alot lighter right now

Well maybe those 7 extra states Obama said he visted will turn up

[Immanuel]

I think you guys need to be thankful that you live in the most Blessed land on Earth. Don't fret yet.

Immie

[theHawk]

if America elects us, that will be proof that they want our liberal policies.

sorry.

The problem is after they leave office their policies still linger. "We" may vote for socialist policies, but even if the next 5 election cycles "we" don't, we'll still be paying for it. When have I ever had the chance to vote on whether or not I participate in social security?

[red states rule]

I think you guys need to be thankful that you live in the most Blessed land on Earth. Don't fret yet.

Immie

We are very thankful Immie

the problem is Obama and the Dems do NOT

[retiredman]

What exactly do you consider appreciably better?

won't that be up to the voters to decide?

[retiredman]

Not at all. Many voters are voting out of emotion, while their are some like the bimbo who yelles how if Obama wins she will not have to pay her mortage or for the gas she pumps into her car

Voters wanted change in 1976 - and we got Peanut carter and 60 Dems in the Senate - and we all remember the change they gace America

But the damage was done

deny the will of the voters if you like. I chose not to.

[red states rule]

deny the will of the voters if you like. I chose not to.

Liberal Judges do it all the time when they toss out the votes they do nto agree with

[retiredman]

The problem is after they leave office their policies still linger. "We" may vote for socialist policies, but even if the next 5 election cycles "we" don't, we'll still be paying for it. When have I ever had the chance to vote on whether or not I participate in social security?

you don't have to participate in America's social security program if you are that dead set against it. Renounce your citizenship and move to a country that more suits your liking.

[Immanuel]

won't that be up to the voters to decide?

Well, we'll have to wait and see if all legal voters can vote in 2010, now won't we? Will Obama's Civilian Security Force be "monitoring" the entrance ways to all polling places in 2010 like those Black Panthers in Philly? I must say, they would be intimidating to me. I would not enter that polling place alone.

Immie

[red states rule]

you don't have to participate in America's social security program if you are that dead set against it. Renounce your citizenship and move to a country that more suits your liking.

That is so liberal of you Rev

and libs now want to take away our 401K's sicne they need the cash (and want to stop the tax breaks) and make sure we do not anything to retire on

[Gaffer]

won't that be up to the voters to decide?

I'm not asking faceless "voters". I'm asking you. Gonna do your usual shuffle and jive?

[retiredman]

Liberal Judges do it all the time when they toss out the votes they do nto agree with

apparently, you do too.

[red states rule]

apparently, you do too.

Unklike libs, I have no problem with legal votes being counted and respected. It is the left that tosses out votes they do not agree with

and they have many times

[retiredman]

Unklike libs, I have no problem with legal votes being counted and respected. It is the left that tosses out votes they do not agree with

and they have many times

if the people elect a democrat to the white house today and increase the democratic majorities in both chambers, it will be clear that they support the liberal platform of the democrats. I am glad you have no problem with that.

[red states rule]

if the people elect a democrat to the white house today and increase the democratic majorities in both chambers, it will be clear that they support the liberal platform of the democrats. I am glad you have no problem with that.

I think once everyone get's a taste of nanny state government, they will be ready to go back to Conservatism. But the damage will be done and it will take a generation to get rid of the $1.4 trillion in new spending (if possible)

I don't want to see an Obamanation, but it seems to me there is the entitlement mentality in a large section of Americans, many young people and the only way for them to realize how evil big goverment is, is to experience it.

The thing that sucks is those of us who do realize it have to suffer with the fools.

[retiredman]

I think once everyone get's a taste of nanny state government, they will be ready to go back to Conservatism. But the damage will be done and it will take a generation to get rid of the $1.4 trillion in new spending (if possible)

I don't want to see an Obamanation, but it seems to me there is the entitlement mentality in a large section of Americans, many young people and the only way for them to realize how evil big goverment is, is to experience it.

The thing that sucks is those of us who do realize it have to suffer with the fools.

majority rules in this here democracy of ours. I know you'd prefer that it didn't. sorry.

[red states rule]

majority rules in this here democracy of ours. I know you'd prefer that it didn't. sorry.

and I remember how Dems acted when they were the minority and bellowed about "minoirty rights"

I see you can;t make a case for your failed liberalsim - only about how giddy you will be with more power

[Immanuel]

majority rules in this here democracy of ours. I know you'd prefer that it didn't. sorry.

Except that we are not a Democracy and the Majority does not always rule. Just ask Al Gore. :D

And thank God for that. It is nice that we have created some balance to that phrase; majority rules.

Immie

[Abbey Marie]

When discussing the will of the people, it is good to remember that most people have very little interest in learning the facts, and aren't very good at analyzing what they hear or read even if they wanted to. They are easily swayed by whatever pablum they are fed. It is on this basic tenet of life that commercial advertising is founded.

I am sure most of you on here recognized at a fairly early age that you were smarter and better informed than most of the people you knew. Well, that hasn't changed. In fact, the chasm may be even wider.

[red states rule]

When discussing the will of the people, it is good to remember that most people have and very little interest in learning the facts, and aren't even very good at analyzing what they hear or read if they wanted to. They are easily swayed by whatever pablum they are fed. It is on this basic tenet of life that commercial advertising is founded.

I am sure most of you on here recognized at a fairly early age that you were smarter and better informed than most of the people you knew. Well, that hasn't changed. In fact, the chasm may be even wider.

They will learn if we have unchecked liberalism running the country Abbey

From the ability to leave your doors and windows unlocked at night, open to FREE fresh air while you sleep to the freedom to let your kids play in the park without armed guards to keep the predators at bay. All thanks to bleeding heart liberals. We have lost a hell of a lot of freedom -- freedom I knew as a kid, freedoms your kids and grandkids will never know again.

Hell, we can't even walk down a lot of city streets without risk to our lives and our property, courtesy of roving thugs that even cops are terrified to have anywhere near them.

[retiredman]

When discussing the will of the people, it is good to remember that most people have very little interest in learning the facts, and aren't very good at analyzing what they hear or read even if they wanted to. They are easily swayed by whatever pablum they are fed. It is on this basic tenet of life that commercial advertising is founded.

I am sure most of you on here recognized at a fairly early age that you were smarter and better informed than most of the people you knew. Well, that hasn't changed. In fact, the chasm may be even wider.

what do you propose as an alternative to our form of democracy?

[Immanuel]

We are very thankful Immie

the problem is Obama and the Dems do NOT

Well, "We" sure do have an odd way of showing it and that goes for both conservatives and liberals.

Immie

[red states rule]

what do you propose as an alternative to our form of democracy?

Seems you have no problem with a government deciding what is best for us from now on. We will be forced to give up our freedom of choice, from the freedom of choosing what cars we can drive, to what our children learn in school, what we can listen to on the radio, or watch on TV, to the how much of our hard earned money we can keep.

[retiredman]

Seems you have no problem with a government deciding what is best for us from now on. We will be forced to give up our freedom of choice, from the freedom of choosing what cars we can drive, to what our children learn in school, what we can listen to on the radio, or watch on TV, to the how much of our hard earned money we can keep.


I have no problem with American democracy. Clearly, you do. I suggest moving, perhaps.

[red states rule]

I have no problem with American democracy. Clearly, you do. I suggest moving, perhaps.

Still not defending what libs said they want to do

As usual, all that matters is the power

[Immanuel]

Seems you have no problem with a government deciding what is best for us from now on. We will be forced to give up our freedom of choice, from the freedom of choosing what cars we can drive, to what our children learn in school, what we can listen to on the radio, or watch on TV, to the how much of our hard earned money we can keep.

You know something? That is not a fair statement.

MFM has stated many times that he does not foresee those kinds of things happening.

When I voted for George Bush, I did not foresee the Patriot Act or the NSA Wiretapping or half of the things George Bush did throughout his tenor. The second time around, I would not have voted for Bush except for the fact that the Dems ran Kerry who was worse than Obama if you ask me.

MFM supports his party as he should. As of right now, he doesn't believe the propaganda that the right has been doling out. The telling point would be if that propaganda proved true and he still supported Obama's actions.

Immie

[red states rule]

You know something? That is not a fair statement.

MFM has stated many times that he does not foresee those kinds of things happening.

When I voted for George Bush, I did not foresee the Patriot Act or the NSA Wiretapping or half of the things George Bush did throughout his tenor. The second time around, I would not have voted for Bush except for the fact that the Dems ran Kerry who was worse than Obama if you ask me.

MFM supports his party as he should. As of right now, he doesn't believe the propaganda that the right has been doling out. The telling point would be if that propaganda proved true and he still supported Obama's actions.

Immie

I am going by what Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Jim Moran, and other Dems have said. What I have posted is what they said they want to do. If they have 60 seats in the Senate nobody can stop them

MFM, as usual, could care less about what Dems say or do - all that matters to him is power for the Dems

[Immanuel]

I am going by what Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Jim Moran, and other Dems have said. What I have posted is what they said they want to do. If they have 60 seats in the Senate nobody can stop them

MFM, as usual, could care less about what Dems say or do - all that matters to him is power for the Dems

Me thinks you are going by your hatred of all things (D)

Immie

[red states rule]

Me thinks you are going by your hatred of all things (D)

Immie

No hate. I can post links to everything I have posted. Unlike Rev MFM, I do not hate those who I disagree with

I do hate terrorists who want all of us dead - other then that I do not hate others

[Abbey Marie]

...
MFM has stated many times that he does not foresee those kinds of things
MFM supports his party as he should. As of right now, he doesn't believe the propaganda that the right has been doling out. The telling point would be if that propaganda proved true and he still supported Obama's actions.
Immie


Why "should" he or anyone just "support their party"? That is putting partisan politics over judgment and rational decision-making. I thought that you of all people were against the idea of party politics?

[Immanuel]

No hate. I can post links to everything I have posted. Unlike Rev MFM, I do not hate those who I disagree with

I do hate terrorists who want all of us dead - other then that I do not hate others

No hate? Are you kidding me? Have you ever considered voting for the (D) on your ballot?

Here's a recent post of yours on the Black Panther thread:


You bet I did. If I am breathing, (so you know I am not voting Democrat) I am casting my vote on election day

Sure there is no hate built up inside of you? Let it go, it only hurts you.

Immie

[red states rule]

No hate? Are you kidding me? Have you ever considered voting for the (D) on your ballot?

Here's a recent post of yours on the Black Panther thread:



Sure there is no hate built up inside of you? Let it go, it only hurts you.

Immie

That post points out how Dems get 100% of the dead people vote.

Immie, I do not hate libs. If you want to see hate look at Rev MFM, Gabby, BP, and PB's posts

[Immanuel]

Why "should" he or anyone just "support their party"? That is putting partisan politics over judgment and rational decision-making. I thought that you of all people were against the idea of party politics?

One would think that one would support the majority of the platforms of his/her party or they would not be part of that party... right?

I'm no longer a Republican, because I cannot support the platform of the Republican Party. One would think that if MFM did not support the platform of the Democratic Party he would be a Green or some other liberal party.

And I did not say he supported it exclusively... although, I cannot think of a single platform he doesn't support whole-heartedly.

Immie

[red states rule]

One would think that one would support the majority of the platforms of his/her party or they would not be part of that party... right?

I'm no longer a Republican, because I cannot support the platform of the Republican Party. One would think that if MFM did not support the platform of the Democratic Party he would be a Green or some other liberal party.

And I did not say he supported it exclusively... although, I cannot think of a single platform he doesn't support whole-heartedly.

Immie

Rev MFM supports the trillions in new spending requires that his messiah Lord obama wants - and the taxing of the living hell out of everyone

He is part of the Cult of Obama and plays the role of apologist for all the lies he has told and all the crap he will do.

[Abbey Marie]

One would think that one would support the majority of the platforms of his/her party or they would not be part of that party... right?

I'm no longer a Republican, because I cannot support the platform of the Republican Party. One would think that if MFM did not support the platform of the Democratic Party he would be a Green or some other liberal party.

And I did not say he supported it exclusively... although, I cannot think of a single platform he doesn't support whole-heartedly.

Immie

Immie, you said he should support his party. That simple yet all-inclusive statement doesn't leave much room for anything less, like only supporting the majority of the platform. If you say you didn't mean it that way, I will accept it, but that is what you said.

And I don't think you were wrong about it, either.

[retiredman]

Why "should" he or anyone just "support their party"? That is putting partisan politics over judgment and rational decision-making. I thought that you of all people were against the idea of party politics?


as long as the party's platform agrees with the majority of my views, then party politics are the long established method of getting things like platform planks established. The day that the democratic party starts marching in a direction that I disagree with is the day I leave the party.

[Immanuel]

That post points out how Dems get 100% of the dead people vote.

Immie, I do not hate libs. If you want to see hate look at Rev MFM, Gabby, BP, and PB's posts

Sorry, but I just don't see it that way.

MFM maybe... Gabby, well, she's hiding something. I think she's a conservative trying to stir up shit. BP can be abrasive. PB is funny. Now if you want to talk liberal hate then JS is the one you should point fingers at.

Immie

[OCA]

Given how Obama and Dems want to jack taxes through the roof, I am sure many workers will miss their jobs

Completely untrue, McCain in fact was the tax raiser.


http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/more_tax_deceptions.html

[OCA]

Immie, I do not hate libs.



:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[Immanuel]

Immie, you said he should support his party. That simple yet all-inclusive statement doesn't leave much room for anything less, like only supporting the majority of the platform. If you say you didn't mean it that way, I will accept it, but that is what you said.

And I don't think you were wrong about it, either.

I'm not quite sure what you are getting at. What I believe is that one should support his/her party. It doesn't mean you have to agree with everything the party believes in, but it does mean supporting the party. If I agreed with everything my party (if I had one) stood for except for their stance on abortion or gun rights, I would say so, but I would still support the party.

Did that clear up what I was trying to say?

Immie

[Immanuel]

Rev MFM supports the trillions in new spending requires that his messiah Lord obama wants - and the taxing of the living hell out of everyone

He is part of the Cult of Obama and plays the role of apologist for all the lies he has told and all the crap he will do.

What of President Bush's new spending did you not approve of?

Immie

[manu1959]

What of President Bush's new spending did you not approve of?

Immie

stem cell research.....

aids funding....

democracy in liberia....

home landsecurity....

response to 911....

[theHawk]

For me, here are a few

The 1st and 2nd Amendments.

Low taxes.

Military superiority.

Good healthcare.

and the freedom of capitalism

Probably my job. I work for the defense department. Once he guts it, I'll probably be left with a pink slip.

I'll also miss free speech on the radio, I'm sure it will be dead after the fairness doctrine.

[Immanuel]

stem cell research.....

aids funding....

democracy in liberia....

home landsecurity....

response to 911....

The question was specifically meant for RSR. I know you are reasonable.

Immie

[red states rule]

What of President Bush's new spending did you not approve of?

Immie

Like the Republican Congress, I opposed the insane spending increases like on the Medicare Rx program, Homeland Security, amnesty, pay raises for Congress, the pork, (Bush should have vetoed many of the bills)

[OCA]

Like the Republican Congress, I opposed the insane spending increases like on the Medicare Rx program, Homeland Security, amnesty, pay raises for Congress, the pork, (Bush should have vetoed many of the bills)


How about Bush's privacy abuses under the Patriot Act? You against that or does some false sense of security trump an individual's privacy?

[manu1959]

How about Bush's privacy abuses under the Patriot Act? You against that or does some false sense of security trump an individual's privacy?

really.......how was your privacy abused.....

[OCA]

really.......how was your privacy abused.....

Who knows? You think the feds are gonna fucking tell you if they did anything?

Its just the fact that they used the terrorism scare to expand their power and chip away at individual rights that is unsettling and quite frankly un-American and is one piece why Repubs are gonna get squashed today across the board.

[manu1959]

Who knows? You think the feds are gonna fucking tell you if they did anything?

Its just the fact that they used the terrorism scare to expand their power and chip away at individual rights that is unsettling and quite frankly un-American and is one piece why Repubs are gonna get squashed today across the board.

you are voting because of fear.....the dems have convinced you to be afraid of the feds..only they are telling the truth......that mccain is bush and only obama can save you....germany in the thirtys......get ready for it....

[hjmick]

Who knows? You think the feds are gonna fucking tell you if they did anything?

Its just the fact that they used the terrorism scare to expand their power and chip away at individual rights that is unsettling and quite frankly un-American and is one piece why Repubs are gonna get squashed today across the board.

Do you think, now that the federal government has this power, that they will relinquish it? I ask only because I can not remember a time when power was given up willingly once it was acquired.

[Immanuel]

Do you think, now that the federal government has this power, that they will relinquish it? I ask only because I can not remember a time when power was given up willingly once it was acquired.

Which is exactly why I opposed the Patriot Act from the beginning.

Immie

[manu1959]

Which is exactly why I opposed the Patriot Act from the beginning.

Immie

hate to tell you but they were doing all this all along....it just didn't have a name or a bureaucracy or a line item in the budget.....it is all legit now....and i agree ....not one government program once created has been abolished......

[OCA]

you are voting because of fear.....the dems have convinced you to be afraid of the feds..only they are telling the truth......that mccain is bush and only obama can save you....germany in the thirtys......get ready for it....

ROTFLMFAO!:laugh2:

[OCA]

Do you think, now that the federal government has this power, that they will relinquish it? I ask only because I can not remember a time when power was given up willingly once it was acquired.

Not sure, I think that the moniker "Patriot Act" will be erased but the power will remain under a different guise.

[red states rule]

you are voting because of fear.....the dems have convinced you to be afraid of the feds..only they are telling the truth......that mccain is bush and only obama can save you....germany in the thirtys......get ready for it....

When government has already regulated the hell out of businesses, imagine a total socialist who wants to bankrupt the entire coal industry, will do to businesses and the working class

[manu1959]

When government has already regulated the hell out of businesses, imagine a total socialist who wants to bankrupt the entire coal industry, will do to businesses and the working class

he just want's green technologies to take over for coal......

[red states rule]

he just want's green technologies to take over for coal......

Think about a dedicated socialist in the Oval Office with a filibuster proof contingent of dedicated liberal Senators, and a huge House majority led by San Fran Nan.

Nightmare on PA Ave comes to mind

The harm they can do is scary as hell

[manu1959]

Think about a dedicated socialist in the Oval Office with a filibuster proof contingent of dedicated liberal Senators, and a huge House majority led by San Fran Nan.

Nightmare on PA Ave comes to mind

The harm they can do is scary as hell

they will simply do what fdr did in his first two terms.....he is talking the same shit.....

[April15]

I will not miss anything other than republican BS.