New Poll - Even 44%-43%

[theHawk]

Looks like the used car salesman can't close the deal.


The poll, which found Obama at 44 percent and McCain at 43 percent, supports what some Republicans and Democrats privately have said in recent days: that the race narrowed after the third debate as GOP-leaning voters drifted home to their party and McCain's "Joe the plumber" analogy struck a chord.

Three weeks ago, an AP-GfK survey found that Obama had surged to a seven-point lead over McCain, lifted by voters who thought the Democrat was better suited to lead the nation through its sudden economic crisis.

The contest is still volatile, and the split among voters is apparent less than two weeks before Election Day.


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93VM4PO0&show_article=1


I think the more people actually start to believe the shitbag socialist will become President, the more terrified they get. Are people starting to come to their senses? Not to mention Bidens gaffe promising a terrorist attack in 6 months.

[manu1959]

lies.....lies i tell you....the vast right wing conspiracy is disenfranchising the those polled.....racism I tell you…change….we need change

[No1tovote4]

[lefty conspiracy theorist/Democratic Underground Member channeling ON]

They are just the Rightwing Media setting it up for the vote stealing! ZOMG! We can't let them do this! Setting up polls in their Rightwing News Media Giant Conglomerative R-Bot reporters!

We'll have to get ready to protest at every opportunity when they steal this one in Colorado!

Send all your money in, even if you can't afford it, because we'll fight it this time until you spend all of your money!

This is all Bush's fault, creating the Rightwing Media Machine was all his doing. While dumb as a post he was amazingly adept at creating 9/11 and keeping it secret and this awesome media machine that takes pot-shots at D's at every opportunity!

McSame can't be President! Because the One is here, "Yes We Can!" "Hope you Can Believe In"....


[/lefty conspiracy theorist/Democratic Underground Member channeling OFF]

[Gaffer]

[lefty conspiracy theorist/Democratic Underground Member channeling ON]

They are just the Rightwing Media setting it up for the vote stealing! ZOMG! We can't let them do this! Setting up polls in their Rightwing News Media Giant Conglomerative R-Bot reporters!

We'll have to get ready to protest at every opportunity when they steal this one in Colorado!

Send all your money in, even if you can't afford it, because we'll fight it this time until you spend all of your money!

This is all Bush's fault, creating the Rightwing Media Machine was all his doing. While dumb as a post he was amazingly adept at creating 9/11 and keeping it secret and this awesome media machine that takes pot-shots at D's at every opportunity!

McSame can't be President! Because the One is here, "Yes We Can!" "Hope you Can Believe In"....


[/lefty conspiracy theorist/Democratic Underground Member channeling OFF]

That's better.

[Psychoblues]

All credible polls reflect differently by a wide margin. Perhaps there is something amiss in the methodology of this one?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!

:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:

[PostmodernProphet]

All credible polls reflect differently by a wide margin. Perhaps there is something amiss in the methodology of this one?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!

:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:

or the other?.....

[Psychoblues]

What other?


or the other?.....

And please keep your answer dedicated to credible polls as compared to the bullshit one in question here, OK?

:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:

[manu1959]

What other?
And please keep your answer dedicated to credible polls as compared to the bullshit one in question here, OK?
:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:

yes the associated press is completely unreliable..........

[eighballsidepocket]

All credible polls reflect differently by a wide margin. Perhaps there is something amiss in the methodology of this one?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!

:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:

This is the AP Poll that usually is biased towards Democrats.

If the AP is saying that it's a close one now.......then this may mean something is happening.

[namvet]

What other?



And please keep your answer dedicated to credible polls as compared to the bullshit one in question here, OK?

:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:


the only reason you watch polls is because they have pictures

[bullypulpit]

<a href=http://www.debatepolicy.com/showpost.php?p=312308&postcount=3>#3</a>

[PostmodernProphet]

What other?



And please keep your answer dedicated to credible polls as compared to the bullshit one in question here, OK?

:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:

I thought that WAS my point....

[LiberalNation]

This poll may or may not be acurate but either way it's still a tight race and going to be close.

[Psychoblues]

What? You ignore the fact there are many polls (in fact, all others than the one in contention at this time) that reflect differently. You reduce them all to "the other one" and you somehow expect respect for anything you have to say on this subject?


I thought that WAS my point....

Your point, pmp, was to advance the accuracy of this bullshit poll to the exclusion of all other and more credible ones.

I'm sorry if I misunderstood you.

:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:

[PostmodernProphet]

most of the polls you see are "weighted"....in other words they call more people of one party than the other to keep in line with registered voters (think ACORN).....in light of the fact we all agree most of the ACORN registrants won't actually be voting, the polls will give an advantage to Obama which won't appear on election day.....

therefore, my point is that almost all polls are inaccurate....

[red states rule]

We know polls usually tighten as election day nears. Now, does this mean McCain is gaining on Obama's tax plan and Ayers - or is this normal?

Obama has a history of not closing the deal, or are people who are unsure about Obama breaking to McCain?

I find it very telling that with the liberal media giving Obama nonstop glowing coverage, their constant attacks on Palin and McCain, the current economic issues, Obama is not up by 20 points in every poll

[avatar4321]

We know polls usually tighten as election day nears. Now, does this mean McCain is gaining on Obama's tax plan and Ayers - or is this normal?

Obama has a history of not closing the deal, or are people who are unsure about Obama breaking to McCain?

I find it very telling that with the liberal media giving Obama nonstop glowing coverage, their constant attacks on Palin and McCain, the current economic issues, Obama is not up by 20 points in every poll

That's the problem with just looing at polls. There are just too many factors to accept them blindly.

[namvet]

oops

Presidential Race Tightens.........

Osama 44 McCain 43 waaa happened ????? play de vid :coffee:

AP (AP)

[GW in Ohio]

oops

Presidential Race Tightens.........

Osama 44 McCain 43 waaa happened ????? play de vid :coffee:

AP (AP)

The polls on the popular vote vary widely.

But what is much more relevant is that Obama either leads or is running neck and neck in each of the battleground states.

As I understand it, given the states that are safely in Obama's column and the states that are safely in McCain's column, McCain has to win every one of the battleground states to reach 270 electoral votes, whereas Obama only has to win one of them.

If McCain loses Florida or Ohio or Virginia or any of the other battleground states, it's all over.

[Abbey Marie]

...
If McCain loses Florida or Ohio or Virginia or any of the other battleground states, it's all over.

It sure is.

[theHawk]

It sure is.

Indeed it will be. It will be the end of capitalism, the end of free speech, the end of our military superiority, the end of our economic superiority....just to name a few.

[GW in Ohio]

Indeed it will be. It will be the end of capitalism, the end of free speech, the end of our military superiority, the end of our economic superiority....just to name a few.

Oh, Jesus....

Give it a rest, okay?

Obama will govern from the center, and you'll still be able to patronize your Piggly Wiggly Supermarket. It won't be the National People's Market #1622.

And you'll still be able to stand up in public and say the president is an idiot.

As for the military, CinC Obama will deploy them judiciously, instead of pulling rationales out of his ass, as he did with Iraq.

[Gaffer]

Oh, Jesus....

Give it a rest, okay?

Obama will govern from the center, and you'll still be able to patronize your Piggly Wiggly Supermarket. It won't be the National People's Market #1622.

And you'll still be able to stand up in public and say the president is an idiot.

As for the military, CinC Obama will deploy them judiciously, instead of pulling rationales out of his ass, as he did with Iraq.

Not giving it a rest. obamanation will RULE along with pelosi and reid from the extreme far left. They will not govern. They will nationalize every industry they can get their hands on. Because taxes won't be enough. You will not have freedom of speech. What the fairness doctrine doesn't cover will be covered under racial slurs and hate crimes.

The military will be striped and most likely used to put down any unrest in the country after the three communists get control. And you won't get any news because they will control the media even more than they do now.

[GW in Ohio]

Not giving it a rest. obamanation will RULE along with pelosi and reid from the extreme far left. They will not govern. They will nationalize every industry they can get their hands on. Because taxes won't be enough. You will not have freedom of speech. What the fairness doctrine doesn't cover will be covered under racial slurs and hate crimes.

The military will be striped and most likely used to put down any unrest in the country after the three communists get control. And you won't get any news because they will control the media even more than they do now.

So your life will be hell, gaffer.

Maybe you should move before all this bad communist stuff starts to happen.......?

[stephanie]

So your life will be hell, gaffer.

Maybe you should move before all this bad communist stuff starts to happen.......?

maybe all you friggin liberals should MOVE..go find a communist country to live in..

you naive little boy..

[red states rule]

maybe all you friggin liberals should MOVE..go find a communist country to live in..

you naive little boy..

Cuba is wonderful this time of year, and libs would feel right at home with the government dictating every aspect of everyones life

[stephanie]

Cuba is wonderful this time of year, and libs would feel right at home with the government dictating every aspect of everyones life

I'd go and help them pack..:bye1:

[red states rule]

I'd go and help them pack..:bye1:

I will chip in for the plane fare. We can start up a collection if we have to

[stephanie]

I will chip in for the plane fare. We can start up a collection if we have to

they can't do any more damage to a communist country...I think they would fit right in..

[retiredman]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

libs will have no reason to go anywhere. Maybe you guys should think about moving to Iraq - that garden spot of Jeffersonian democracy that you all created on the banks of the Euphrates!:lol:

[stephanie]

did someone say something..:lame2:

[Gaffer]

I'll just stay here and become a guerrilla.

[Sitarro]

Obama will govern from the center

Yea, like he has throughout his career as the most liberal in the U.S. Senate


And you'll still be able to stand up in public and say the president is an idiot.

Yea, like Joe the Plumber, he didn't even call Osamabama a DICK and his life has been turned inside out. Within 6 months, if this chickenshit punk would actually get he and Home Depot's walking gaffe machine..... Joe "Aneurism" Biden, into the White House, the public will be in the streets screaming "OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!".


As for the military, CinC Obama will deploy them judiciously, instead of pulling rationales out of his ass, as he did with Iraq.

He would have to since most of the best men and women will quit and you will be left with blacks and queers for his military machine. Tanks will be fitted with huge rims and painted pink.:laugh2:

[stephanie]

gw's job that the little Marxist and his party will assign him..

scrubbing their toilets...

or probably having him go around rounding up the people who disagree with THE PARTY..
I'm sure he could get into that job..

[retiredman]

I'll just stay here and become a guerrilla.

oh...why not just be a gorilla instead? ;)

[eighballsidepocket]

Lemmings will do well under Obama's reign. ;)

[theHawk]

Obama will govern from the center, and you'll still be able to patronize your Piggly Wiggly Supermarket. It won't be the National People's Market #1622.


LOL. Thanks for the laugh. "Obama will govern from the center". First of all, Obama has never governed anything. He is a junior senator that votes the way the Party tells him. Second, he has never been anywhere near "the center". His whole life he was molded himself after the most radical left wing kooks he could find in Chicago like Wright and Ayers. He has never demonstrated the ability to reach out to the other side, except of course during his campaign when he gropes for the middle by claiming he has all these conservative policies like cutting taxes.

[red states rule]

LOL. Thanks for the laugh. "Obama will govern from the center". First of all, Obama has never governed anything. He is a junior senator that votes the way the Party tells him. Second, he has never been anywhere near "the center". His whole life he was molded himself after the most radical left wing kooks he could find in Chicago like Wright and Ayers. He has never demonstrated the ability to reach out to the other side, except of course during his campaign when he gropes for the middle by claiming he has all these conservative policies like cutting taxes.

Govern from the center eh? :laugh2:

Higher taxes on the producers; tax cuts for people who do not pay income taxes; spreading the wealth around; global pverty act; increase in foreign aid; government run healthcare; and windfal profit tax on oil companies.

Sound very liberal and far far left to me

[theHawk]

Govern from the center eh? :laugh2:

Higher taxes on the producers; tax cuts for people who do not pay income taxes; spreading the wealth around; global pverty act; increase in foreign aid; government run healthcare; and windfal profit tax on oil companies.

Sound very liberal and far far left to me

Don't forget gut the military more than Clinton did, and promising a terror attack in the first 6 months!

:pee: Obama bin Biden

[red states rule]

Don't forget gut the military more than Clinton did, and promising a terror attack in the first 6 months!

:pee: Obama bin Biden

and if a private citizen asks a question where Obama screws up the answer - have the liberal media attack the private citizen, dig up any dirt they can on him, and park their TV truck on his front lawn

[retiredman]

and if a private citizen asks a question where Obama screws up the answer - have the liberal media attack the private citizen, dig up any dirt they can on him, and park their TV truck on his front lawn

seems to me that I can almost smell the impending defeat in your posts!:laugh2:

[red states rule]

seems to me that I can almost smell the impending defeat in your posts!:laugh2:

Not at all. You might want to try deodorant

[retiredman]

Not at all. You might want to try deodorant

you party is going down bigtime, RSR, and the Reagan/Gingrich revolution is D E A D!:laugh2:

[GW in Ohio]

Govern from the center eh? :laugh2:

Higher taxes on the producers; tax cuts for people who do not pay income taxes; spreading the wealth around; global pverty act; increase in foreign aid; government run healthcare; and windfal profit tax on oil companies.

Sound very liberal and far far left to me

For all of your righties predicting that President Obama will turn the US into a socialist state, here is....

GW in Ohio's Politics 101

No matter what the president's background is, once he is in office he invariably governs from the center. Richard Nixon and George W. Bush are two examples of conservatives who implemented liberal policies once in office (e.g., Nixon opening the door to relations with China and Bush outspending any Democratic administration).

Look at Bill Clinton. After the GOP Congress smacked him repeatedly starting in '94, he behaved like a frickin' Republican for the balance of his term.

Reagan was something of an exception to this rule, but even he was forced to make concessions to the Democratic Congress in order to gain approval for his military budgets.

Obama will govern as a liberal centrist.

[theHawk]

you party is going down bigtime, RSR, and the Reagan/Gingrich revolution is D E A D!:laugh2:

If thats true, then after another four years of Cart---excuse me, Obama, will bring about another conservative revolution that will trample liberalism for another 12-20 years. It seems like every few decades America has to be reminded how bad liberal foreign and domestic policy is by experiencing it.

[red states rule]

If thats true, then after another four years of Cart---excuse me, Obama, will bring about another conservative revolution that will trample liberalism for another 12-20 years. It seems like every few decades America has to be reminded how bad liberal foreign and domestic policy is by experiencing it.

But the damage will be done. Any new programs and spending Obama and the liberal Congress creates will never be eliminated

[retiredman]

But the damage will be done. Any new programs and spending Obama and the liberal Congress creates will never be eliminated


and doesn't that just piss you off?:laugh2:

[red states rule]

and doesn't that just piss you off?:laugh2:

What pisses me off is that libs like you believe it is fine to take peoples money from them, and give it to others

Why did liberals think they are entitled to other people money?

[retiredman]

What pisses me off is that libs like you believe it is fine to take peoples money from them, and give it to others

Why did liberals think they are entitled to other people money?

gosh, it must suck to be you about now!:laugh2:

Income redistribution has been a reality in American politics since 1913.

[red states rule]

gosh, it must suck to be you about now!:laugh2:

Income redistribution has been a reality in American politics since 1913.

Care to answer the question - or are you going to do your usual tapdance?

[retiredman]

Care to answer the question - or are you going to do your usual tapdance?


liberals don't think that they are entitled to other people's money. liberals AND conservatives have supported a progressive income tax system since the very inception of the federal income tax nearly a century ago. that is a fact you seem desperate to run away from.

[stephanie]

when is enough taxes enough???

90, 100% ?

[Kathianne]

gosh, it must suck to be you about now!:laugh2:

Income redistribution has been a reality in American politics since 1913.

It must suck to be you anytime, win or lose.

[retiredman]

when is enough taxes enough???

90, 100% ?


just back to where they were during the Clinton administration when the rich were doing really well.

[red states rule]

when is enough taxes enough???

90, 100% ?

I asked MFM that question, and his repsonse was so typical of a liberal

"As much as we can squeeze out of them"

[stephanie]

I asked MFM that question, and his response was so typical of a liberal

"As much as we can squeeze out of them"

How friggin brainwashed do you have to be to vote for a party that is telling you they are going to take much more of your hard earned money, but it's for your own good..

amazing.

[red states rule]

How friggin brainwashed do you have to be to vote for a party that is telling you they are going to take much more of your hard earned money, but it's for your own good..

amazing.

MFM, probably has most of his income in shelters and will not pay the higher tax.

Like most libs, we only wants other people to pay higher taxes. Much like libs want other people to give to the poor

[Psychoblues]

I can't speak for mfm on this issue but I know that I will receive a tax cut in an Obama administration and I know that under a McCain administration more of my tax dollars will be sent to rich jerks that don't need, haven't earned it and will not create anything that might benefit me as a result of their windfall.

These things are a virtual certainty.

:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:

[red states rule]

I can't speak for mfm on this issue but I know that I will receive a tax cut in an Obama administration and I know that under a McCain administration more of my tax dollars will be sent to rich jerks that don't need, haven't earned it and will not create anything that might benefit me as a result of their windfall.

These things are a virtual certainty.

:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:

Will it be a tax cut on taxes you pay - or a "tax cut" when you do pay any federal income taxes?

So I take it you do not have any capital gaines, dividend income, or you fo not hit the SS cap on earnings

However if Obama increases the corparate tax you will pay more for prety much everything since the increase will be passed on to you

[Psychoblues]

Your argument is full of fallacies, rsr. Care to extrapolate them for those of us that might be interested?




Will it be a tax cut on taxes you pay - or a "tax cut" when you do pay any federal income taxes?

So I take it you do not have any capital gaines, dividend income, or you fo not hit the SS cap on earnings

However if Obama increases the corparate tax you will pay more for prety much everything since the increase will be passed on to you

I didn't see any prices decrease post the gwb enormous corporate tax cuts and conversely I don't expect to see any price increases as a result of the proposed tax policy from President Obama. Perhaps you're just trying to spread an unjustified fear?!?!?!?!?! About par from your crowd.

:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:

[red states rule]

Your argument is full of fallacies, rsr. Care to extrapolate them for those of us that might be interested?





I didn't see any prices decrease post the gwb enormous corporate tax cuts and conversely I don't expect to see any price increases as a result of the proposed tax policy from President Obama. Perhaps you're just trying to spread an unjustified fear?!?!?!?!?! About par from your crowd.

:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:

Most of the Obama tx cuts are going to people who currently do not pay federal income taxes

Have you seen the price of gas dropping? That is a shot in the arm for the economy. I have seen prices drop in the grocery store since it is cheaper now to ship the goods

Obama is lying when he says ONLY people who make more then $250,000 will pay more in taxes

PB, with the dividend tax increase retired people will pay more

With the SS cap taken off, people who make more then $103,000/yr (I think that is the cut off) will pay more in taxes

Since corporations do not pay taxes, we will pay the tax in the form of higher prices

[emmett]

I can't speak for mfm on this issue but I know that I will receive a tax cut in an Obama administration and I know that under a McCain administration more of my tax dollars will be sent to rich jerks that don't need, haven't earned it and will not create anything that might benefit me as a result of their windfall.

These things are a virtual certainty.

:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:



What money is going be "sent" to people earning their money. They earned the money Psycho, the only sending that will be done is their customers sending them payment for the services rendered or products purchased.

How hard can this be to figure out. Noone, certainly not govenment gives a wage earing or revenue earning business anything....they work for it!

Personally I don't want anything from anyone! I don't expect govenment to support me, if I get into a jam, my family will meet my needs and visa versa. What ever happened to responsibility? Where is the sense in taking more of and more of a person's earnings who is willing to work and contribute, and giving it to someone for nothing! Laying on one's back and spitting out one daddy's baby after another isn't a skill. It does not require skill and contributes to nothing expect a drain on those who work for what they get.

our mentality is so far out in left field I can't believe it to think that rational people think this is a viable solution to economic equality. Economical equality is not a right! You have to earn your wealth. Where is the incentive to strive? To be successful!

[red states rule]

What money is going be "sent" to people earning their money. They earned the money Psycho, the only sending that will be done is their customers sending them payment for the services rendered or products purchased.

How hard can this be to figure out. Noone, certainly not govenment gives a wage earing or revenue earning business anything....they work for it!

Personally I don't want anything from anyone! I don't expect govenment to support me, if I get into a jam, my family will meet my needs and visa versa. What ever happened to responsibility? Where is the sense in taking more of and more of a person's earnings who is willing to work and contribute, and giving it to someone for nothing! Laying on one's back and spitting out one daddy's baby after another isn't a skill. It does not require skill and contributes to nothing expect a drain on those who work for what they get.

our mentality is so far out in left field I can't believe it to think that rational people think this is a viable solution to economic equality. Economical equality is not a right! You have to earn your wealth. Where is the incentive to strive? To be successful!

I would like any liberal to explain to me why they think they are entitled to other peoples money

[Psychoblues]

I made it all the way through your first little bullshit observation, rsr. I figure the rest is equally flawed and unworthy of my attention.



Most of the Obama tx cuts are going to people who currently do not pay federal income taxes

Have you seen the price of gas dropping? That is a shot in the arm for the economy. I have seen prices drop in the grocery store since it is cheaper now to ship the goods

Obama is lying when he says ONLY people who make more then $250,000 will pay more in taxes

PB, with the dividend tax increase retired people will pay more

With the SS cap taken off, people who make more then $103,000/yr (I think that is the cut off) will pay more in taxes

Since corporations do not pay taxes, we will pay the tax in the form of higher prices

I see no reason, proposed or anticipated, why I will pay additional taxes under an Obama administration. In fact only the opposite is true. I will keep more of my money in an Obama administration. McCain?!?!?!?!?! That is still to be determined but it ain't looking good for the old deregulatory corporate man that keeps changing his position every few days if not every day and sometimes 2 or 3 times in the same day!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:

[red states rule]

I made it all the way through your first little bullshit observation, rsr. I figure the rest is equally flawed and unworthy of my attention.




I see no reason, proposed or anticipated, why I will pay additional taxes under an Obama administration. In fact only the opposite is true. I will keep more of my money in an Obama administration. McCain?!?!?!?!?! That is still to be determined but it ain't looking good for the old deregulatory corporate man that keeps changing his position every few days if not every day and sometimes 2 or 3 times in the same day!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:


So you have no intention of try to carry on a conversation?

OK

[Psychoblues]

Whatever.




So you have no intention of try to carry on a conversation?

OK

OK?

:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:

[red states rule]

Whatever.





OK?

:salute::cheers2::clap::laugh2::cheers2::salute:

You ask for me to explain my posts on taxes - then do not even read them let alone debate them

Then you whine how you are mistreated and picked on :confused:

[GW in Ohio]

How friggin brainwashed do you have to be to vote for a party that is telling you they are going to take much more of your hard earned money, but it's for your own good..

amazing.

Here's the second installment of....

GW's American Politics 101

All you righties complaining that Obama will raise taxes....

Where do you think the government gets the money to carry on essential functions, as well as non-essential functions?

Anybody?

From taxes, Very good.

Where do you think the money to run an obscenely expensive and obscenely stupid war in Iraq comes from?

Do you really think it's a good idea to cut taxes, as McCain wants to do, when we are $trillions in debt, and when we still have people in Iraq?

What is it about you rightwads? You want to carry on Bush's idiotic war but you don't want to be asked to pay for it.

Your man Bush went on a spending spree the last 8 years that put any liberal Democrat to shame. Yet you want a tax cut? Do you want to push that debt on to your children and your grandchildren?

[red states rule]

Here's the second installment of....

GW's American Politics 101

All you righties complaining that Obama will raise taxes....

Where do you think the government gets the money to carry on essential functions, as well as non-essential functions?

Anybody?

From taxes, Very good.

Where do you think the money to run an obscenely expensive and obscenely stupid war in Iraq comes from?

Do you really think it's a good idea to cut taxes, as McCain wants to do, when we are $trillions in debt, and when we still have people in Iraq?

What is it about you rightwads? You want to carry on Bush's idiotic war but you don't want to be asked to pay for it.

Your man Bush went on a spending spree the last 8 years that put any liberal Democrat to shame. Yet you want a tax cut? Do you want to push that debt on to your children and your grandchildren?

You do know that raising taxes, and Obama's new spending plans that total over $1.3 trillion - will make the deficit (and the economy) worse

[GW in Ohio]

You do know that raising taxes, and Obama's new spending plans that total over $1.3 trillion - will make the deficit (and the economy) worse

I'll tell you what....

I have confidence that Barack Obama will be vastly more fiscally responsible than George Bush has been.

[red states rule]

I'll tell you what....

I have confidence that Barack Obama will be vastly more fiscally responsible than George Bush has been.

Do you have a 401K GW? You might want to take a look what your fiscally responsible messiah is thinking about

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=19007

[Sitarro]

I'll tell you what....

I have confidence that Barack Obama will be vastly more fiscally responsible than George Bush has been.

On what basis do you have this confidence. How much does the Tooth Fairy bring you? What are you hoping Santa will bring you this year, have you written to him at the North Pole?

How incredibly naive you are, is being stupid like being on serious drugs all of the time?

[red states rule]

On what basis do you have this confidence. How much does the Tooth Fairy bring you? What are you hoping Santa will bring you this year, have you written to him at the North Pole?

How incredibly naive you are, is being stupid like being on serious drugs all of the time?

and libs wonder why the Dow is tanking. Obama and Dems want the government to take over 401K's and raise taxes across the board - and liberals think they are sound economic ideas

[Psychoblues]

Where'd you get that shit from, rsr?




and libs wonder why the Dow is tanking. Obama and Dems want the government to take over 401K's and raise taxes across the board - and liberals think they are sound economic ideas

Or are you just spreading lies because you have no truth to share?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Eisenhower was the last Republican President that exhibited any understanding of low/middle class economic interests and the rise in the standard of living amongst them during his tenure prove that fact. Since then the only economic factors that have increased average standards amongst middle/low incomers has come during or as a result of Democratic administrations.

It would take a book or 2 to explain all that to you, I know, and I am already quite aware that you somehow have a disdain for education and facts.

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[red states rule]

Where'd you get that shit from, rsr?





Or are you just spreading lies because you have no truth to share?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Eisenhower was the last Republican President that exhibited any understanding of low/middle class economic interests and the rise in the standard of living amongst them during his tenure prove that fact. Since then the only economic factors that have increased average standards amongst middle/low incomers has come during or as a result of Democratic administrations.

It would take a book or 2 to explain all that to you, I know, and I am already quite aware that you somehow have a disdain for education and facts.

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Dems held PUBLIC HEARINGS on the idea

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=19007

[Psychoblues]

Referring back to your half brained and half cocked bullshit doesn't help your argument, dumbo.




Dems held PUBLIC HEARINGS on the idea

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=19007

Address the question or bow out with some dignity left in your pitiful soul, OK?

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[red states rule]

Referring back to your half brained and half cocked bullshit doesn't help your argument, dumbo.





Address the question or bow out with some dignity left in your pitiful soul, OK?

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If you are to stupid or lazy to read the thread that is not my problem

You were on the thread for less then one minute - so you could not have read the links I have posted

[Psychoblues]

I grew very tired and felt abused from following your ignorant, half baked and sadly inaccurate portrayals of things your twisted mind accepts from face value of truth years ago, rsr.




If you are to stupid or lazy to read the thread that is not my problem

You were on the thread for less then one minute - so you could not have read the links I have posted

Do I have any posts in that thread? No? I have read it before and there is a good reason that I haven't posted there. Dig it?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

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[red states rule]

I grew very tired and felt abused from following your ignorant, half baked and sadly inaccurate portrayals of things your twisted mind accepts from face value of truth years ago, rsr.





Do I have any posts in that thread? No? I have read it before and there is a good reason that I haven't posted there. Dig it?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

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You must be a fast reader - and missed the Dems who are backing government take over of everyones 401K

[retiredman]

don't you wish that someone other than wall street was controlling your 401k last month?:laugh2:

[Psychoblues]

Quit being so silly, silly.




You must be a fast reader - and missed the Dems who are backing government take over of everyones 401K

It makes you look even dumber than you actually are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[red states rule]

Quit being so silly, silly.





It makes you look even dumber than you actually are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Enjoy your ignorant bliss and kiss you retirement accounts goodby. But hey, you should have no fears with the Federal government financing your retirement :laugh2:

[Psychoblues]

I addressed exactly what you are saying in another thread because you stated essentially the same thing as you are implying here.



Enjoy your ignorant bliss and kiss you retirement accounts goodby. But hey, you should have no fears with the Federal government financing your retirement :laugh2:

If I hang out 'till 2 or 3
Baby, that's my headache, don't you worry 'bout me
Why Don't You Mind Your Own Business
'Cause if you mind your business then you won't be mindin' mine

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[manu1959]

I'll tell you what....

I have confidence that Barack Obama will be vastly more fiscally responsible than George Bush has been.

yes he has proven he can waste 600 million dollars and still not beat george bush

[theHawk]

I'll tell you what....

I have confidence that Barack Obama will be vastly more fiscally responsible than George Bush has been.

Yea, Obama has a great fiscal track record.


$800,000 to ACORN.
Recieved $125k from Fannie Mae.
$14 million to Tony Rezko.
$175,000 to a taxi driver named Klonsky to start a communist school.


Thats fiscal responsiblity for a liberal.

[Psychoblues]

Do you have any credible links to any of that, huk?




Yea, Obama has a great fiscal track record.


$800,000 to ACORN.
Recieved $125k from Fannie Mae.
$14 million to Tony Rezko.
$175,000 to a taxi driver named Klonsky to start a communist school.


Thats fiscal responsiblity for a liberal.

All that has been debunked and even the FauxNews bunch refuse to run with those wildeyed and cockamamie stories!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[red states rule]

Do you have any credible links to any of that, huk?





All that has been debunked and even the FauxNews bunch refuse to run with those wildeyed and cockamamie stories!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Go to the thread asshole. We are still waiting for any Obamabot to drop in and try to defend the Dems taking over the managment of 401k's

Joe posted once and ran away

[OCA]

Go to the thread asshole. We are still waiting for any Obamabot to drop in and try to defend the Dems taking over the managment of 401k's

Joe posted once and ran away

Will never happen, its just pissin in the wind bullshit.

[red states rule]

Will never happen, its just pissin in the wind bullshit.

Eh, many top Dems held public hearings, and are for it. You would know that if you went to the thread and read the links

and what will stop them if Dems have total control and a veto proof majority?

[retiredman]

and what will stop them if Dems have total control and a veto proof majority?

nothing.

God..it must suck to be a republican about now...seeing it all slipping away...dreaming about how close you all came. damn.

[red states rule]

nothing.

God..it must suck to be a republican about now...seeing it all slipping away...dreaming about how close you all came. damn.

So now you support the Federal government taking over everyones 401k?

Jump on the thread and educate us how this will be a good thing MFM

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=19007

[Psychoblues]

You know, mfm, the Repubs have held the leadership for 28 of the last 40 years and see where their deficit spending, small government, deregulatory and trickle down theories have gotten us. It really must be sad to be a Repub these days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





nothing.

God..it must suck to be a republican about now...seeing it all slipping away...dreaming about how close you all came. damn.

What's your poison?!?!?!?!?!?!??! Tabs on me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[red states rule]

You know, mfm, the Repubs have held the leadership for 28 of the last 40 years and see where their deficit spending, small government, deregulatory and trickle down theories have gotten us. It really must be sad to be a Repub these days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






What's your poison?!?!?!?!?!?!??! Tabs on me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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So have you grown a pair and ready to explain how the Dems taking over 401k's is a good thing? MFM said here how nothing can stop the Dems, and he has not stepped up to the plate

How about you?

Or are you happy just shooting off your mouth and not backing anything up?

[retiredman]

So now you support the Federal government taking over everyones 401k?

Jump on the thread and educate us how this will be a good thing MFM

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=19007

I ask again... don't you wish that someone other than wall street had been controlling your 401k this past month? Don't you wish that 30% of your retirement savings had not evaporated because of wall street greed?

simple questions....but we both know you do not have the balls to answer them.

[red states rule]

I ask again... don't you wish that someone other than wall street had been controlling your 401k this past month? Don't you wish that 30% of your retirement savings had not evaporated because of wall street greed?

simple questions....but we both know you do not have the balls to answer them.

MFM, go to the thread. It is explained how there would be no global economy if the Dems did this

But I can see where you would support it since it comes form your party

[retiredman]

MFM, go to the thread. It is explained how there would be no global economy if the Dems did this

But I can see where you would support it since it comes form your party

why do you continue to avoid simple questions?:laugh2:

[red states rule]

why do you continue to avoid simple questions?:laugh2:

Why discuss it here when we have a tread started? Or is this your way not to try and defend the Dems plan? :laugh2:

Clink on the link or find the thread. It is so easy even a caveman can do it - which means maybe you can :laugh2:

[red states rule]

Why discuss it here when we have a tread started? Or is this your way not to try and defend the Dems plan? :laugh2:

Clink on the link or find the thread. It is so easy even a caveman can do it - which means maybe you can :laugh2:

****crickets chirping****

[retiredman]

****crickets chirping****

when you asnwer some simple questions, maybe I'll take the time to visit your other thread.

why are you AVOIDING them????:laugh2:

[red states rule]

when you asnwer some simple questions, maybe I'll take the time to visit your other thread.

why are you AVOIDING them????:laugh2:

I will answer anything you want - on the proper thread

But if you are to big a coward (like PB) to go there, I understand

[retiredman]

I will answer anything you want - on the proper thread

But if you are to big a coward (like PB) to go there, I understand

they are posed on your thread. NOw...grow a set of balls and answer them.

[red states rule]

they are posed on your thread. NOw...grow a set of balls and answer them.

and I directed PB to the threads as I am doing with you

Go to the thread and tell me why it would be a ggod thing to do

[retiredman]

and I directed PB to the threads as I am doing with you

Go to the thread and tell me why it would be a ggod thing to do

you said you would answer my questions in the appropriate thread. now either do so or admit you are a fucking liar.

[Psychoblues]

Fuck you, rsr. I went there, saw what it was and rejected the premise of the claims you are now making and fully explained all that to you.




and I directed PB to the threads as I am doing with you

Go to the thread and tell me why it would be a ggod thing to do

But, hurry up, I think mfm is over there right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[retiredman]

But, hurry up, I think mfm is over there right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



and believe it or not, RSR is runnin' away there just like he ran away here!:dance:

[Psychoblues]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhhaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!





and believe it or not, RSR is runnin' away there just like he ran away here!:dance:

He can't copy and paste his way out of most things, mfm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He's a self made idiot and it ain't your fault or mine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[red states rule]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhhaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!






He can't copy and paste his way out of most things, mfm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He's a self made idiot and it ain't your fault or mine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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MFM grew a pair. Dop you need some miracle grow?

[Psychoblues]

Get your head out of your ass and read sometimes, dumbo.


MFM grew a pair. Dop you need some miracle grow?

I'm not going to explain why I don't post on that thread to you again.

You're a weak one, rsr. You really do need to grow a pair or stick with your assfuckin' buddie.

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[red states rule]

Get your head out of your ass and read sometimes, dumbo.



I'm not going to explain why I don't post on that thread to you again.

You're a weak one, rsr. You really do need to grow a pair or stick with your assfuckin' buddie.

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I do know. You are a coward and a blowhard

[Psychoblues]

I see you were rejected at the Southpark audition as well as your buttfuckin' buddie.




I do know. You are a coward and a blowhard

I hope you kept your day gig!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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