"Redistribution" of wealth - a very misleading term

[Little-Acorn]

I keep hearing liberals and other socialists say they want to "redistribute" the wealth in this country. But that implies that the wealth was "distributed" by someone to us all in the first place, and maybe that someone did a bad job and the liberals think they can do it better.

But wealth was never "distributed" to any of us, except maybe by welfare clerks to various indigent persons. But the $100 that's in my wallet now, wasn't distributed to me by anyone. A guy with a car and I made an agreement: I'd tune up his car and fix a few things on it, and he'd pay me $100 to do it. I tuned it up, changed the oil, and replaced two squeaking belts that were badly worn. He's happy, now it starts easier, gets better gas mileage, and doesn't make weird sounds as he drives. He'd much rather have a car that drives like this, than have the $100; and I'd much rather have the $100 and don't mind getting my hands dirty to do something I do well.

Nobody "distributed" anything to either one of us. He and I made a deal, both of us gave the other something of value, both of us are happy with the outcome.

But if Barack Obama had come along just then, he might have taken the guy's $100, and the guy couldn't have gotten me to fix his car. He'd still have a shitty-running car that sometimes wouldn't start, I'd be $100 poorer... which means my son would be walking 3 miles to school instead of riding the bike I was about to fix up for him. Barack Obama wants me to think that a better use was made of that $100, than we would have made of it... but when we asked Barack Obama exactly what the money was used for, he couldn't answer the question.

People who talk about "redistributing" wealth, are lying. What they are doing, is taking something that was yours, that you earned, and telling you that (a) they know better how to use it than you do, and (b) this somehow makes it OK for them to take it from you, whether you like it or not.

These people aren't "redistributing" anything, because your money wasn't "distributed" to you in the first place. You EARNED it, and you got it because you DESERVED it, not because some uninvolved bureaucrat thought your having it would somehow be a good idea and so gave his blessing on you to receive it.

"Redistributing" is a politician's way of implying you did NOT earn your money, and so it's not really yours. And pretending that his deciding what to use your money for, is the natural order of things. Not the idea that since you earned it, YOU should decide what to use it for. He's trying to get you away from that idea.

[Mr. P]

Will ya change a timing belt in a 99 beetle for $100?

I can't find anyone that will even take the job cept a dealer and I ain't going there.

[Binky]

:lol::lol: I love the analogy you've posted. It's great! Simple, direct and right to the point. Even an idiot should be able to figure out what you're talking about. I love it when someone posts something that brings it all into perspective that your average person can understand.

Good one! :clap:

[MtnBiker]

There is political power in promising to take something from one group of people and give it to another group of people.

[retiredman]

Robin Hood is revered as a hero, not a villain.

[Trigg]

Robin Hood is revered as a hero, not a villain.

Obama is no Robin Hood and the people of America arn't starving.

[Little-Acorn]

Robin Hood is revered as a hero, not a villain.

He certainly is. And do you know why?

Robin Hood took money from GOVERNMENT TAX COLLECTORS, and gave it back to the people who earned it (the poor peasant farmers according to the legends).

In other words, he fought against people like Barack Obama, a wannabee govt tax collector who wants to take money away from the people who earned it.

Robin Hood was indeed a hero. Because... he was a true conservative, who thought government should keep its paws off hardworking people's earnings.

[Mr. P]

Robin Hood is revered as a hero, not a villain.

He wasn't taking from the people either like Bambam will do. Just watch.

[retiredman]

He certainly is. And do you know why?

Robin Hood took money from GOVERNMENT TAX COLLECTORS, and gave it back to the people who earned it (the poor peasant farmers according to the legends).




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[MtnBiker]

Obama should spend his time tree hoping in tights with a bow and arrow in Sherwood Forrest and leave us alone.

[Little-Acorn]

Robin Hood is revered as a hero, not a villain.

Obama is no Robin Hood and the people of America arn't starving.

Count on thingfrommaine to get an analagy completely wrong, prove his opponent's point instead of his own, and make DP history by being a completely lousy shot but still managing to shoot himself in the foot every time.
:lol:

[MtnBiker]

Despite Enlish mythical legends, a freemarket economy is much better for the acquirement of wealth then an inefficient government will every be. We do not need Obama deciding on who gets what.

[Little-Acorn]

Obama should spend his time tree hoping in tights with a bow and arrow in Sherwood Forrest and leave us alone.

I couldn't agree more.

Besides, dressed like that, there's a good chance Barney Frank might follow him there, ridding us of two socialists for the price of one.

[retiredman]

Count on thingfrommaine to get an analagy completely wrong, prove his opponent's point instead of his own, and make DP history by being a completely lousy shot but still managing to shoot himself in the foot every time.


most legends about the nearly assuredly fictional character, Robin Hood have him robbing the rich - and NOT government tax collectors - and giving to the poor.

which is in direct response to the post by Mtnbiker which said "There is political power in promising to take something from one group of people and give it to another group of people."

clearly, Obama has tapped into that power... he's gonna be your next president. get used to it.:laugh2:

[MtnBiker]

The liberal counter arguement to the misleading term of wealth redistribution is Robin Hood. Wow, policy by mythical fantasy.

[Little-Acorn]

most legends about the nearly assuredly fictional character, Robin Hood have him robbing the rich - and NOT government tax collectors
Wasn't somebody demanding that we supply links to statements like this?

Let's see, who was that again.....??

:poke:

[red states rule]

Obama is no Robin Hood and the people of America arn't starving.

Obama is just a hood

and Dems are trying to deny the fact they are for redistribution of wealth - as long as it is other peoples money the redistribute

[Immanuel]

Robin Hood is revered as a hero, not a villain.

And Robin Hood took from the government and gave to the poor not vice versa as Senator Obama will do.

Immie

[red states rule]

And Robin Hood took from the government and gave to the poor not vice versa as Senator Obama will do.

Immie

Hell, Obama will give tax refunds to people who not pay any taxes to begin with. I call that WELFARE

Yet Obama and the libs will call them "tax cuts"

and you and I Immie will foot the bill; because Obama WILL raise taxes on alot of people making LESS then $250,000/yr

[Immanuel]

Hell, Obama will give tax refunds to people who not pay any taxes to begin with. I call that WELFARE

Yet Obama and the libs will call them "tax cuts"

and you and I Immie will foot the bill; because Obama WILL raise taxes on alot of people making LESS then $250,000/yr

Actually, I don't believe that RSR. Obama will not be giving to the poor. Sure, he'll raise taxes on those who make over $75,000/year(?)... I know he says $250,000 but you and I both know that number will plummet within weeks of his election... but the needy won't see a dime of it. It will get locked up in bureaucracy and inefficient government spending and those whose votes Barack stole will be told that their messiah is here to rescue them, yet nothing at all will flow into the pocket books.

Immie

[red states rule]

Actually, I don't believe that RSR. Obama will not be giving to the poor. Sure, he'll raise taxes on those who make over $75,000/year(?)... I know he says $250,000 but you and I both know that number will plummet within weeks of his election... but the needy won't see a dime of it. It will get locked up in bureaucracy and inefficient government spending and those whose votes Barack stole will be told that their messiah is here to rescue them, yet nothing at all will flow into the pocket books.

Immie

Obama tax cut 'refunds' those who don't pay
Critics call it 'welfare'

Barack Obama says he will give 95 percent of all American workers a tax cut but does not mention that his plan would send checks to tens of millions of tax filers who pay no personal income taxes - payments that critics say look "suspiciously like welfare."

Mr. Obama's campaign promise, which he has repeated in his speeches and in the presidential debates, stems from his "Making Work Pay" tax cut that will give a $500 refundable tax credit to every worker or $1,000 to each working couple. But because this provision in his economic-recovery plan is "refundable," a large number of middle- to lower-income workers who have no income-tax liability after taking tax credits and deductions the that Internal Revenue Service allows, will be given the equivalent of the tax cut in the form of direct payments from the U.S. Treasury - funded by higher-income taxpayers.

Because the IRS says that nearly 46 million tax filers - one-third of all filers - had no tax liability in 2006, there is the question of how millions of Americans can receive an income "tax cut" when they pay no taxes.

"It's got to raise alarm bells when you claim you are going to cut taxes for 95 percent of working families when more than 40 percent of them pay no income taxes," said Phil Kerpen, policy director at Americans for Prosperity, a grass-roots free-market advocacy group.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/13/obama-tax-cut-refunds-those-who-dont-pay/

[Immanuel]

Obama tax cut 'refunds' those who don't pay
Critics call it 'welfare'

Barack Obama says he will give 95 percent of all American workers a tax cut but does not mention that his plan would send checks to tens of millions of tax filers who pay no personal income taxes - payments that critics say look "suspiciously like welfare."

Mr. Obama's campaign promise, which he has repeated in his speeches and in the presidential debates, stems from his "Making Work Pay" tax cut that will give a $500 refundable tax credit to every worker or $1,000 to each working couple. But because this provision in his economic-recovery plan is "refundable," a large number of middle- to lower-income workers who have no income-tax liability after taking tax credits and deductions the that Internal Revenue Service allows, will be given the equivalent of the tax cut in the form of direct payments from the U.S. Treasury - funded by higher-income taxpayers.

Because the IRS says that nearly 46 million tax filers - one-third of all filers - had no tax liability in 2006, there is the question of how millions of Americans can receive an income "tax cut" when they pay no taxes.

"It's got to raise alarm bells when you claim you are going to cut taxes for 95 percent of working families when more than 40 percent of them pay no income taxes," said Phil Kerpen, policy director at Americans for Prosperity, a grass-roots free-market advocacy group.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/13/obama-tax-cut-refunds-those-who-dont-pay/

Promises, promises... if you believe everything Barack Obama tells you would you like to buy my moon rock? I'm selling it cheap at $50,000.

Immie

[red states rule]

Promises, promises... if you believe everything Barack Obama tells you would you like to buy my moon rock?

Immie

He will increase the amount of welfare to those who do not pay taxes - that is libs live to do

He will jack up taxes on those who are paying the taxes Immie - no doubt

[Immanuel]

He will increase the amount of welfare to those who do not pay taxes - that is libs live to do

He will jack up taxes on those who are paying the taxes Immie - no doubt

Yes, he will jack up the taxes. No, he will not increase the amount of welfare that gets to those who need it.

He'll redistribute wealth alright, from our pockets to the government's pockets where it will get lost in the black hole of government spending never to benefit those to whom it was promised.

Immie

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Sorry, I couldn't help myself!

[red states rule]

Yes, he will jack up the taxes. No, he will not increase the amount of welfare that gets to those who need it.

He'll redistribute wealth alright, from our pockets to the government's pockets where it will get lost in the black hole of government spending never to benefit those to whom it was promised.

Immie

He will do both. Libs will raise taxes and increase the spending

Like Pres peanut Carter, Obama will do the same if he gets the chance. He will have a liberal Congress to rubber stamp everything he wants to do

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[Kathianne]

Yes, he will jack up the taxes. No, he will not increase the amount of welfare that gets to those who need it.

He'll redistribute wealth alright, from our pockets to the government's pockets where it will get lost in the black hole of government spending never to benefit those to whom it was promised.

Immie

Agreed. But all the time saying that he's helping those that need a 'hands up.' Look at the charities that actually help those that want help, whether here or abroad.

They succeed in inspiring and teaching. The government creates dependence. But if 'we' increase taxes, it's reasonable to expect a decrease in charitable giving.

[red states rule]

Agreed. But all the time saying that he's helping those that need a 'hands up.' Look at the charities that actually help those that want help, whether here or abroad.

They succeed in inspiring and teaching. The government creates dependence. But if 'we' increase taxes, it's reasonable to expect a decrease in charitable giving.

from my link

The Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan policy analysis group established by the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, estimates that about 80 percent of households would receive a tax cut.

But Investor's Business Daily also questioned whether Mr. Obama's "tax cut" was really a tax cut for people who don't pay taxes.

"There's the difference, not acknowledged by the Obama camp, between a real tax cut and the type of 'tax relief' that looks suspiciously like welfare," the newspaper editorialized.

"A true tax 'cut' is a reduction in the taxes you're paying. In contrast, much of the 'relief' in Mr. Obama's plan consists of 'refundable credit' - payments you get even if you owe no taxes at all," the paper said.

The Obama campaign dismisses such criticism, arguing that even if many working taxpayers owe no income taxes, they pay Social Security payroll taxes out of their earnings. The campaign also notes that Mr. McCain's economic plan also includes refundable tax credits.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/13/obama-tax-cut-refunds-those-who-dont-pay/?page=2

[Little-Acorn]

The Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan policy analysis group established by the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, estimates that about 80 percent of households would receive a tax cut.
Really?

So Obama is going to make the Bush tax cuts permanent after all?

If he doesn't, and they expire, then a LOT of people will see their taxes go up.

I just got one step closer to voting for Obama. As soon as he publicly announces he will make those cuts permanent, of course.

Should be any day now, right....??
:laugh2:

[red states rule]

Really?

So Obama is going to make the Bush tax cuts permanent after all?

If he doesn't, and they expire, then a LOT of people will see their taxes go up.

I just got one step closer to voting for Obama. As soon as he publicly announces he will make those cuts permanent, of course.

Should be any day now, right....??
:laugh2:

Only libs would call giving people welfare payments who do not pay taxes a tax cut

That is what Obama is doing, and alot of idiots are buying it

[Ravenskeep]

when Obama and his demo crones, oh wait, I was thinking just Nancy Pelosi, cronies, begin redistributing the wealth, I am changing my voter registration to DEMOCRAT, quitting my job, applying for unemployment AND welfare, and wait on the guv-n-mint to give me what I then gots coming to me!!!:clap:

[red states rule]

when Obama and his demo crones, oh wait, I was thinking just Nancy Pelosi, cronies, begin redistributing the wealth, I am changing my voter registration to DEMOCRAT, quitting my job, applying for unemployment AND welfare, and wait on the guv-n-mint to give me what I then gots coming to me!!!:clap:

Being a liberal means you think stealing money from someone is more important than working to earn your money