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Gaffer
10-15-2008, 08:37 PM
McCain is definitely taking it to him.

Anyone watching is going to see the smirks on obamanations face when McCain speaks. Interesting.

I think McCain got the message he needs to get tough.

LiberalNation
10-15-2008, 08:39 PM
I disagree, he's stuttering. I will not stand, I will not stand.......

Obama is winning.

Yurt
10-15-2008, 08:39 PM
I disagree, he's stuttering. I will not stand, I will not stand.......

Obama is winning.

give me the WWW

LiberalNation
10-15-2008, 08:43 PM
Neither has a good plan to cut the deficiet. I like McCains "hatchet" idea but think Obama's economic plan will win overall in popularity with the people.

krisy
10-15-2008, 08:43 PM
I think McCain is doing well.....he's bringing up what he needs to bring up,


And why did the liberal moderator just ask them to describe why each of their running mates would be better than the others'???? IMHO,that would never had been a question if Palin were not McCains running mate.

Liberal nation.....Obama has stuttered quite a few times.

Gaffer
10-15-2008, 08:44 PM
Watch the body language.

I haven't said a word about who's winning. I just said McCain is taking it to him and putting him on the defensive.

I did like when he said, "your running against George Bush, and I'm not George Bush".

LiberalNation
10-15-2008, 08:45 PM
This moderator is doing better than the last one even with the stupid question on each others running mate.

LiberalNation
10-15-2008, 08:48 PM
I did like when he said, "your running against George Bush, and I'm not George Bush".

The if you wanted to run against George Bush you should have ran 4 years ago was better. More sting.

He is running against the entire republican establishment which include GWB. A president doesn't run alone, he is a representative of his party.

krisy
10-15-2008, 08:51 PM
The if you wanted to run against George Bush you should have ran 4 years ago was better. More sting.


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I agree....that was good. He sounded like he had SOME BALLS.

manu1959
10-15-2008, 08:52 PM
all i can say is obama makes poor choices in his relationships......he is arrogant....and rude.....lastly he believes th government can fix the economy.....the government was the one that created this artifical market that just tanked....and they think they can fix it.....

the only people that can fix the economy are those that create jobs.....and those are just the people he wants to tax.......

now he wants trade quotas.....

Gaffer
10-15-2008, 09:00 PM
This is the most informative debate they have had. And obamanation is acting arrogant as hell.

LiberalNation
10-15-2008, 09:01 PM
And obamanation is acting arrogant as hell.
Some would call it smooth and confident. He is ahead in the albiet close polls.

manu1959
10-15-2008, 09:03 PM
This is the most informative debate they have had. And obamanation is acting arrogant as hell.

it is only arrogant if you are not smarter than everyone else....i mean look how smart he is .....rev right....rezoko...ayers.....concieved at an event after he was born .....

he is simply smarter than you....just ask him....

manu1959
10-15-2008, 09:04 PM
Some would call it smooth and confident. He is ahead in the albiet close polls.

i bought my car from a guy like that.....what is a fly chick like ms o doing with a white guy anyway....

5stringJeff
10-15-2008, 09:19 PM
Some "debate," when only the two mainstream party's candidates are invited.

LiberalNation
10-15-2008, 09:20 PM
Loved Obama's tuition help idea. That is really needed.

manu1959
10-15-2008, 09:23 PM
Loved Obama's tuition help idea. That is really needed.

did you miss that part where you have to serve in the military or some other "social program" in oder to get it.....

education in the soviet union was free but you had to serve.....

LiberalNation
10-15-2008, 09:25 PM
Community service for tuition is a good deal as long as it's not too much of a burden. Most students do some work besides just school work.

manu1959
10-15-2008, 09:29 PM
Community service for tuition is a good deal as long as it's not too much of a burden. Most students do some work besides just school work.

he wants anyone that goes to university to have to serve in his social programs......

theHawk
10-15-2008, 09:30 PM
Here's an idea. How about parents pay for their own children's education. A little less money spent on leasing a new car every 2 years and more saving could go a long way.

manu1959
10-15-2008, 09:32 PM
Here's an idea. How about parents pay for their own children's education. A little less money spent on leasing a new car every 2 years and more saving could go a long way.

i love the pay as you go concept.....

theHawk
10-15-2008, 09:35 PM
Its funny how Obama thinks we should just have the government pay for college tuition, when the fact of the matter is tuition is way too high. Universities will just keep raising the tuition if they know the government is going to pay for a portion of it. I'd rather see policies from Washington that work at lowering the tuition costs, not paying for the overinflated costs.

5stringJeff
10-15-2008, 09:37 PM
Its funny how Obama thinks we should just have the government pay for college tuition, when the fact of the matter is tuition is way too high. Universities will just keep raising the tuition if they know the government is going to pay for a portion of it. I'd rather see policies from Washington that work at lowering the tuition costs, not paying for the overinflated costs.

You're right, tuition is too high because the government subsidizes it. The government should hand out fewer grants/loans and let people earn merit scholarships to help pay for college.

LiberalNation
10-15-2008, 09:37 PM
There would never be enough private merit scholarships to go around.

manu1959
10-15-2008, 09:37 PM
Its funny how Obama thinks we should just have the government pay for college tuition, when the fact of the matter is tuition is way too high. Universities will just keep raising the tuition if they know the government is going to pay for a portion of it. I'd rather see policies from Washington that work at lowering the tuition costs, not paying for the overinflated costs.

how about you let all the universites be private companies and let the free market sort it out....

LiberalNation
10-15-2008, 09:39 PM
That hardly works with something people have to have whatever the price.

manu1959
10-15-2008, 09:42 PM
That hardly works with something people have to have whatever the price.

what do people have to have.....

LiberalNation
10-15-2008, 09:46 PM
Debates over, they're giving it to McCain. A lot better than the last one. McCain was feisty and put on a pretty good show. These questions also favored him.

manu1959
10-15-2008, 09:48 PM
Debates over, they're giving it to McCain. A lot better than the last one. McCain was feisty and put on a pretty good show. These questions also favored him.

questions on the economy and domestic policy favoured him.....:laugh2:

LiberalNation
10-15-2008, 09:49 PM
Listening to Hillary on NBC on after debate discussions. Really wish i could be voting for her over Obama.

LiberalNation
10-15-2008, 09:50 PM
questions on the economy and domestic policy favoured him.....:laugh2:

abortion issue favored mccain. He has the more popular stance. Lucky us he can't energize the religious right enough for it to matter.

manu1959
10-15-2008, 09:52 PM
abortion issue favored mccain. He has the more popular stance. Lucky us he can't energize the religious right enough for it to matter.

mccain's stance is that social issues are a states issue not a federal issue....that is far from a popular stance....

LiberalNation
10-15-2008, 09:53 PM
Better than Obama's protection of it at the federal level. Like I said McCains too moderate to energize the right.

mundame
10-15-2008, 09:58 PM
And why did the liberal moderator just ask them to describe why each of their running mates would be better than the others'???? IMHO,that would never had been a question if Palin were not McCains running mate.



That's right, it would never have come up if McCain had chosen a normal running mate with intelligence and experience who could plausibly serve as president in an emergency.

Since he chose someone unsuitable, of course the question came up!

manu1959
10-15-2008, 09:59 PM
That's right, it would never have come up if McCain had chosen a normal running mate with intelligence and experience who could plausibly serve as president in an emergency.

Since he chose someone unsuitable, of course the question came up!

obama is as charming and un qualified as palin.....

mundame
10-15-2008, 10:01 PM
Listening to Hillary on NBC on after debate discussions. Really wish i could be voting for her over Obama.


Sure, me too. I'd vote for her, but I won't vote for him or the other one.

manu1959
10-15-2008, 10:05 PM
Sure, me too. I'd vote for her, but I won't vote for him or the other one.

her posistions and his are not all that different......he just had a better sound bite......

mundame
10-15-2008, 10:08 PM
her posistions and his are not all that different......he just had a better sound bite......


Yeah, but she's not weird, and he is.

Hillary hasn't spent all the time Obama has consorting with terrorists and Pakistanis and Indonesians and ministers and priests plural who hate whites. And I don't believe she's a socialist; her husband's administration was centrist.

Obama is certainly a socialist, IMO.

manu1959
10-15-2008, 10:08 PM
interesting.......

obama made mccain go negative by bringing up ayers


obama named his cabinet......or said that is who they would be....

manu1959
10-15-2008, 10:09 PM
Yeah, but she's not weird, and he is.

Hillary hasn't spent all the time Obama has consorting with terrorists and Pakistanis and Indonesians and ministers and priests plural who hate whites. And I don't believe she's a socialist; her husband's administration was centrist.

Obama is certainly a socialist, IMO.

can't disagree with any of this.....

krisy
10-15-2008, 10:14 PM
That's right, it would never have come up if McCain had chosen a normal running mate with intelligence and experience who could plausibly serve as president in an emergency.

Since he chose someone unsuitable, of course the question came up!

The moderator brought that particular issue up because he had an opnion....and he's not supposed to. Not while moderating the debate at least.

as far as your opinion of Palin, your allowed to feel that way of course. It does sound tho from your other posts that you have formed that opinion of her because you don't like that she is pretty.

Yurt
10-15-2008, 10:45 PM
obama has won... i do not see a mccain win after this

manu1959
10-15-2008, 10:48 PM
obama has won... i do not see a mccain win after this

obama will wish he had lost......

avatar4321
10-15-2008, 10:50 PM
Here's an idea. How about parents pay for their own children's education. A little less money spent on leasing a new car every 2 years and more saving could go a long way.

Ive got a better idea. No assistance whatsoever so universities are forced to drop their prices.

manu1959
10-15-2008, 10:51 PM
Ive got a better idea. No assistance whatsoever so universities are forced to drop their prices.

that is what i said....

avatar4321
10-15-2008, 10:52 PM
That's right, it would never have come up if McCain had chosen a normal running mate with intelligence and experience who could plausibly serve as president in an emergency.

Since he chose someone unsuitable, of course the question came up!

Yet she has more experience than Obama does. I really dont see the merit in arguing her unsuitability with Obama at the head of the Democrat ticket.

avatar4321
10-15-2008, 10:53 PM
obama has won... i do not see a mccain win after this

If Obama wins we will deal with it.

retiredman
10-15-2008, 11:08 PM
obama has won... i do not see a mccain win after this

I agree. McCain did not change the game. Obama maintained his cool and calm - and presidential - perspective. McCain seemed to flounder.

manu1959
10-15-2008, 11:11 PM
I agree. McCain did not change the game. Obama maintained his cool and calm - and presidential - perspective. McCain seemed to flounder.

i agree....obama looked and sounded like a politician....mccain looked like someone that cared and was frustrated.....

retiredman
10-15-2008, 11:13 PM
i agree....obama looked and sounded like a politician....mccain looked like someone that cared and was frustrated.....
spin it however you want if it helps you sleep tonight. bottom line,. Obama won and McCain needed to not only WIN but score a convincing knockout victory in order to save his presidential aspirations. The only question left is the length of Obama's coattails.

manu1959
10-15-2008, 11:16 PM
spin it however you want if it helps you sleep tonight. bottom line,. Obama won and McCain needed to not only WIN but score a convincing knockout victory in order to save his presidential aspirations. The only question left is the length of Obama's coattails.


mccain can't win.....obama's spin is ....if you don't vote for me you get four more years of bush and this economy.....

interesting the dow tanks on the night of the debate....

retiredman
10-15-2008, 11:17 PM
mccain can't win.....obama's spin is ....if you don't vote for me you get four more years of bush and this economy.....

interesting the dow tanks on the night of the debate....

Obama has run a more disciplined campaign. too bad for your side.

manu1959
10-15-2008, 11:23 PM
Obama has run a more disciplined campaign. too bad for your side.

obama ran against bush......you really don't know what my side is do you.....

you are really going to be bumbed when the well spoken white man can't deliver.....

you think he will do a good looking white intern or a fat one...

retiredman
10-15-2008, 11:25 PM
obama ran against bush......you really don't know what my side is do you.....

you are really going to be bumbed when the well spoken white man can't deliver.....

you think he will do a good looking white intern or a fat one...

I think your comment is below commenting upon.

theHawk
10-15-2008, 11:46 PM
Obama looked like an arrogant jackass the way he smirked and laughed while McCain was talking about serious issues like Ayers the free terrorist. Maybe is all a joke to Obama, but some of us think its a big deal this asshole once tried to blow up the Pentagon and yet he has the ear of the possible next President.

DragonStryk72
10-15-2008, 11:47 PM
Some "debate," when only the two mainstream party's candidates are invited.

Don't forget that even out of those two parties, the contracts they signed included questions that were "off-limits", thus making certain that we cannot have all the facts. They entire event is scripted, no surprises. this is why the polls don't change much due to debates anymore, because they're not debates, just Q&A with almost all easy lob questions.

Joe Steel
10-16-2008, 07:46 AM
McCain was incoherent and unhinged. He was a disgrace. I found myself angry our system would permit such a candidate.

GW in Ohio
10-16-2008, 08:33 AM
McCain is definitely taking it to him.

Anyone watching is going to see the smirks on obamanations face when McCain speaks. Interesting.

I think McCain got the message he needs to get tough.

gaffer: I think it's incorrect to designate winners and losers in these debates. There aren't any winners or losers; it's just a chance for the voters to see the candidates up close and personal and get to know them and their stands on the issues.

I think it was McCain's best debate performance.

But so what?

He's still an out-of-touch, grumpy, erratic old man and he's hopelessly outclassed by his younger, smarter, more energetic rival.

McCain will lose, and he will go back to the Senate and have a distinguished career there.

That's not bad.....

Classact
10-16-2008, 08:52 AM
spin it however you want if it helps you sleep tonight. bottom line,. Obama won and McCain needed to not only WIN but score a convincing knockout victory in order to save his presidential aspirations. The only question left is the length of Obama's coattails.I'd say McCain planted some seeds that will shoot strait up in the days leading up to the election. I'll give you odds that polls move to McCain by Monday so tight that Obama will go on the defense and start calling himself the underdog. Obama has the money but McCain said it over and over he was using it to lie.

Obama ended up the liar last night.

Kathianne
10-16-2008, 08:54 AM
I'd say McCain planted some seeds that will shoot strait up in the days leading up to the election. I'll give you odds that polls move to McCain by Monday so tight that Obama will go on the defense and start calling himself the underdog. Obama has the money but McCain said it over and over he was using it to lie.

Obama ended up the liar last night.

We'll see. I think people's positions are tightening, but Obama looked very frustrated last evening, so you could have a very valid point.

Classact
10-16-2008, 09:35 AM
We'll see. I think people's positions are tightening, but Obama looked very frustrated last evening, so you could have a very valid point.The last president to raise taxes in a recession was Herbert Hoover... John McCain that led to the Great Depression!

I will take the windfall profits from big oil and give you a welfare check of $1,000. The gas prices will go up $1200.00 and you will lose $200.00

I will tax small business and give you even more welfare money. Don't worry if they lay you off because you know Democrats will give you extended unemployment

I'll tax the hell out of big business and make America #1 in stead of #2 of the highest taxes on business. I'll take the proceeds and spread it around among the poor folk. Don't worry if more and more jobs leave America with the higher taxes because you are born with individual rights to happiness under an Obama administration.