Do you believe we will make it through?

[avatar4321]

No matter who is elected do you believe we will overcome the obstacles our nation will face?

[Immanuel]

I believe we will survive as a nation. What that nation will look like, I am not so encouraged about.

Immie

[Nukeman]

I believe we will survive as a nation. What that nation will look like, I am not so encouraged about.

Immie
What he said!!!!!!!!!!:coffee:

[Yurt]

we made it through depression and much harder times

this nation is compromised of more than the market, our ideals will remain and shall always be sought after

[jackass]

Of course we will. Thats not saying we will be sitting pretty.

[crin63]

If Obama wins the land will survive but will we recognize this place as America when he's through with it? I don't know. USA will stand for the Union of Socialist America.

I have basically written us off already, its just a matter of time. If someone like Obama can get this far, were done already we just need someone to stick a fork in us. Conservatives aren't ruthless enough to survive in this game. Conservatives aren't ready to let the end justify the means and therefore cant compete with the Libs.

[hjmick]

Conservatives aren't ruthless enough to survive in this game. Conservatives aren't ready to let the end justify the means and therefore cant compete with the Libs.

Dude, seriously? I'm no fan of Obama, I'm even a registered Republican, but I firmly believe that both parties are ruthless and will do or say whatever is necessary to get and retain power.

[Mr. P]

I believe we will survive as a nation. What that nation will look like, I am not so encouraged about.

Immie

I can go with that..

On the upside, the world is in decline so we'll hold our own and remain on top, I think.

It's just gonna be a more realistic economic world. IMO

Don't live above yer means or take on overwhelming debt. It works.

[crin63]

Dude, seriously? I'm no fan of Obama, I'm even a registered Republican, but I firmly believe that both parties are ruthless and will do or say whatever is necessary to get and retain power.

Republicans generally apologize over and over, take their licks and lose credibility while dems just deny, deny, deny and rally around the liar until all is forgotten. Dems don't apologize or make amends, they never work in a bi-partisan way, they just hold their ground until the Republicans flinch first. Aside from that I said conservatives not Republicans. I think there is a vast difference between the two.

[hjmick]

Republicans generally apologize over and over, take their licks and lose credibility while dems just deny, deny, deny and rally around the liar until all is forgotten. Dems don't apologize or make amends, they never work in a bi-partisan way, they just hold their ground until the Republicans flinch first.

Okay, I see what you meant now.


Aside from that I said conservatives not Republicans. I think there is a vast difference between the two.

On this we are in complete agreement.

[April15]

I believe we will survive as a nation. What that nation will look like, I am not so encouraged about.

ImmieTime changes all. Time for change has past us and now we will play catch up. The electronic age has created a new and smaller planet. To play on this earth we must consider other nations more than ever.
This nation will continue but like Immanuel says "what will it look like".

[Yurt]

long live ronny raygun :laugh2:

[gabosaurus]

What is with the scare tactics? You think a liberal black president will signal the end of American civilization? Perhaps yours, but not the country as a whole.
The U.S. has endured through a Civil War, two World Wars, a financial depression, medical pandemics, the Cuban Missile Crisis, even Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford.
You have been watching too many Fox Crisis Alerts.

[stephanie]

:lol:

this from the person who has spread nothing but fear at having another Republican elected President..

and of course we had to have that BLACK liberal thrown in our face..

but the little Marxist isn't Black, he's a mulatto..you all have to try and convince people HE IS BLACK or the charges of racist just won't quite cut it.....:coffee:

[AFbombloader]

What is with the scare tactics? You think a liberal black president will signal the end of American civilization? Perhaps yours, but not the country as a whole.
The U.S. has endured through a Civil War, two World Wars, a financial depression, medical pandemics, the Cuban Missile Crisis, even Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford.
You have been watching too many Fox Crisis Alerts.

I think you will be surprised at how much your life will change too. He (Obama) has said he will take from all based on their worth and give to all based on their need. That would include you too.

[gabosaurus]

I think you will be surprised at how much your life will change too. He (Obama) has said he will take from all based on their worth and give to all based on their need. That would include you too.

I would be in favor of this. Because, unlike you, I believe that those who have should help out those who have not. But you are welcome to continue being selfish.

[avatar4321]

I would be in favor of this. Because, unlike you, I believe that those who have should help out those who have not. But you are welcome to continue being selfish.

and who are your to force your morality onto others? Who are you to steal their hard earned property? Who are you to say you know how to use their money better than they do?

I am tired of this self-righteous, holier than thou attitude from you gabs. I understand you believe in totalitarian government. The rest of us dont. We believe in the principles our forefathers believed in. Freedom. having the right to determine our own destiny through hard work. Freedom of self-government.

I understand you don't believe in this. You believe in punishing people who produce and giving to people who dont. You think its good to keep people dependent on government for whatever reason. But its not. its just enslaving them.

I hope someday you learn how much harm you are really doing people and change your ways.

[Nukeman]

I would be in favor of this. Because, unlike you, I believe that those who have should help out those who have not. But you are welcome to continue being selfish.Girl YOU are soo off base with this statement. AF has been UNSELFISH for as long as you have been alive. He has given many years of SERVICE to this great country while you sit in your "upscale", pretentious, little slice of heaven. When was the last time YOU started and ran a charity drive to help out VERY impoverished orfans?? when did you take away from your life and family to help your country and others less fortunate for 12-18 months at a time? I'm going to make a guess here and say NEVER (you might break a nail). So get off your f***ing high horse and realize there are DIFFERENT ways of helping instead of throwing a few coins to he local bum.....

YOU have no idea what sacrifice really is do you. You think that if you give a few bucks to the soup kitchen down town your being a good person. Well wait untill you lose your home due to the OVER taxation of your successful husband.

What your failing to comprehend is that in your very own staement you say "I believe that those who have should help out those who have not". the key here is "SHOULD", not MUST as Obama wants. As a fellow human being we should all help each other but I will be damned if I am going to help some lowlife continue on their distructive path just because I have a little more than them.

What your missing is it's about CHOICE. You dont feel that everyone should have a CHOICE do you because if you did you wouldn't be such a big Obama supporter.....


OHH BY THE WAY!!!! GROW UP!!!!

[Gaffer]

I'm poor, I don't even have to file taxes because I don't make enough on my disability. Therefore, according to obamanation, people like gabby should be supporting me. He's going to take it from them anyway. Do you think I'll see any of it? Not on your life. Anyone that believes he is going to redistribute money is a fool. It's going into his programs and the pockets of those that profit from his programs.

The rich will pay through the nose, the middle class will also pay through the nose and the poor will see no change in their finances.

[Abbey Marie]

Is the only choice libs want us to have, the one where we can kill our own babies?

[Immanuel]

I'm poor, I don't even have to file taxes because I don't make enough on my disability. Therefore, according to obamanation, people like gabby should be supporting me. He's going to take it from them anyway. Do you think I'll see any of it? Not on your life. Anyone that believes he is going to redistribute money is a fool. It's going into his programs and the pockets of those that profit from his programs.
The rich will pay through the nose, the middle class will also pay through the nose and the poor will see no change in their finances.

Sounds like redistribution of wealth to me!

All that money will go to those who supported him and what does trickle down into the programs will be consumed by the bureaucracy. Surely the poor will benefit by having more money lost in the Department of Welfare. Maybe when they enter the Department office there will be one cushioned seat for them to fight over?

Immie

[Gaffer]

Sounds like redistribution of wealth to me!

All that money will go to those who supported him and what does trickle down into the programs will be consumed by the bureaucracy. Surely the poor will benefit by having more money lost in the Department of Welfare. Maybe when they enter the Department office there will be one cushioned seat for them to fight over?

Immie

Very true Immie. The money will not go to the ones he says it will. I'm not eligible for welfare, I don't get enough money to be taxed and I get no earned income credit. That will not change no matter who is in office. The only thing that's going to change is the amount of power the government exerts over the people.

[jackass]

The U.S. has endured through a Civil War, two World Wars, a financial depression, medical pandemics, the Cuban Missile Crisis, even Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford.

That was a much better America. There werent as many Liberals then.


I would be in favor of this. Because, unlike you, I believe that those who have should help out those who have not. But you are welcome to continue being selfish.

So how does this help anyone to do any better? If people are going to be given things for doing nothing, where is the incentive to do any better? How can this possibly help anyone except for those who are too lazy to do any better?

Here is an example of how he is going to ruin America:
"Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" the plumber asked, complaining that he was being taxed "more and more for fulfilling the American dream."

"It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success too," Obama responded.

So please tell me how this is following the American dream? Isnt the American dream to work hard and become successful? If people are given things for nothing, that is exactly what they put out. Nothing.

[Immanuel]

Here is an example of how he is going to ruin America:
"Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" the plumber asked, complaining that he was being taxed "more and more for fulfilling the American dream."

"It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success too," Obama responded.

So please tell me how this is following the American dream? Isnt the American dream to work hard and become successful? If people are given things for nothing, that is exactly what they put out. Nothing.

What's funny about that is that if you just keep giving them more and more free handouts, they are not going to work to succeed. They'll simply let the government continue to feed them while they sit around drinking beer.

If you help them onto their feet and let go, they will succeed.

Immie

[jackass]

If you help them onto their feet and let go, they will succeed.

Immie
Agreed!

[April15]

I'm poor, I don't even have to file taxes because I don't make enough on my disability. Therefore, according to obamanation, people like gabby should be supporting me. He's going to take it from them anyway. Do you think I'll see any of it? Not on your life. Anyone that believes he is going to redistribute money is a fool. It's going into his programs and the pockets of those that profit from his programs.

The rich will pay through the nose, the middle class will also pay through the nose and the poor will see no change in their finances.I do hope you get some of my money! I will pay gladly to help another American.

[jackass]

I do hope you get some of my money! I will pay gladly to help another American.

As will most of the board Im sure...when we CHOOSE to. Its enought that we are paying people to have kids for years on welfare?

If you and Gabby are SOOO generous with your money, feel free to send every member of this board $100 bucks.

[Mr. P]

I do hope you get some of my money! I will pay gladly to help another American.

My address is in your pm box...but somehow I expect "the check's in the mail" response.

[Immanuel]

I do hope you get some of my money! I will pay gladly to help another American.


As will most of the board Im sure...when we CHOOSE to. Its enought that we are paying people to have kids for years on welfare?

If you and Gabby are SOOO generous with your money, feel free to send every member of this board $100 bucks.


My address is in your pm box...but somehow I expect "the check's in the mail" response.

Please send my $100 to your nearest Crisis Pregnancy Center. Thank you. There are plenty of young women who go to CPC for help when they are in trouble.

Immie

[April15]

Please send my $100 to your nearest Crisis Pregnancy Center. Thank you. There are plenty of young women who go to CPC for help when they are in trouble.

ImmieI don't know where you live but here it is planned parenthood.

[April15]

My address is in your pm box...but somehow I expect "the check's in the mail" response.You need to go through the system!

[Gaffer]

I do hope you get some of my money! I will pay gladly to help another American.

Doing it because your generous is one thing, doing it because you have to is another. And when the money doesn't reach the person it was designated for it does not make you feel better about giving.

obamanation is buying votes. He's targeting the poor with promises of something for nothing. And in the long run they will get nothing. Your money will go to new agencies, new programs and padding the pockets of him and his friends.

[Immanuel]

I don't know where you live but here it is planned parenthood.

No, you see PP, encourages abortion. Crisis Pregnancy Centers encourage young women to do the right thing by the child whom they have conceived. Big difference between the two, but then I suspect you already know that.

Immie

[Missileman]

I would be in favor of this. Because, unlike you, I believe that those who have should help out those who have not. But you are welcome to continue being selfish.

Having grown up dirt poor, lived on a meager wage for 21 years in the AF, and now 8 years later finally making enough where I'm not concerned about where I'm going to get the money to pay the bills, I find it amazingly distasteful to suggest that part of my wages should help pay some asshole's 200K mortgage that he can no longer afford and I might add shouldn't have gotten in the first place

To suggest I am being "selfish" because I feel people should make their own way, as I have, is the epitome of arrogant and ignorant.

[Yurt]

You need to go through the system!

so you need the government to tell you to give people money? some morals

[AFbombloader]

I would be in favor of this. Because, unlike you, I believe that those who have should help out those who have not. But you are welcome to continue being selfish.

How exactly am I being selfish by wanting to keep the wages I earned? You can look online to see how little I make, E-6 with 20 years. My wife makes about $15 and hour. Tell me how I am being selfish by wanting to keep it for my family? I am not even going to add to what nuke said because he did a good job of defending me (thanks Nuke).

I have spent my time living paycheck to paycheck. I have spent my time getting WIC. I have spent my time living in Government Quarters because we could not afford anything else. And I have busted my ass to get to the point where I am now. I own my house. I have no credit card bills. I own both my automobiles. I did it through hard work and sacrifice. Now you want to say it is ok to take more away from me? If you want to be absolutely honest, I will probably be on the recieving end of this tax farce, and I still don't want this to happen. Because it is totally wrong, can't you see that? I don't want anyone to be taxed and the money given to me. Don't need or want it. I helped myself, everyone else can too.

AF:salute:

[AFbombloader]

Girl YOU are soo off base with this statement. AF has been UNSELFISH for as long as you have been alive. He has given many years of SERVICE to this great country while you sit in your "upscale", pretentious, little slice of heaven. When was the last time YOU started and ran a charity drive to help out VERY impoverished orfans?? when did you take away from your life and family to help your country and others less fortunate for 12-18 months at a time? I'm going to make a guess here and say NEVER (you might break a nail). So get off your f***ing high horse and realize there are DIFFERENT ways of helping instead of throwing a few coins to he local bum.....

YOU have no idea what sacrifice really is do you. You think that if you give a few bucks to the soup kitchen down town your being a good person. Well wait untill you lose your home due to the OVER taxation of your successful husband.

What your failing to comprehend is that in your very own staement you say "I believe that those who have should help out those who have not". the key here is "SHOULD", not MUST as Obama wants. As a fellow human being we should all help each other but I will be damned if I am going to help some lowlife continue on their distructive path just because I have a little more than them.

What your missing is it's about CHOICE. You dont feel that everyone should have a CHOICE do you because if you did you wouldn't be such a big Obama supporter.....


OHH BY THE WAY!!!! GROW UP!!!!


Nuke, I can't rep you on this bro, thanks!:cheers2:

AF:salute:

[April15]

No, you see PP, encourages abortion. Crisis Pregnancy Centers encourage young women to do the right thing by the child whom they have conceived. Big difference between the two, but then I suspect you already know that.

ImmieI have never heard of Crisis pregnancy Centers. All I have seen is this nut guy with big giant pics of fetus's all over his pick up truck in front of PP and screaming at every women who looks like she may enter.

[Gaffer]

Nuke, I can't rep you on this bro, thanks!:cheers2:

AF:salute:

I already repped him.

And I'm like you. I'll make my own way.

[April15]

Doing it because your generous is one thing, doing it because you have to is another. And when the money doesn't reach the person it was designated for it does not make you feel better about giving.

obamanation is buying votes. He's targeting the poor with promises of something for nothing. And in the long run they will get nothing. Your money will go to new agencies, new programs and padding the pockets of him and his friends.I do not believe that to be true.

[Mr. P]

I do not believe that to be true.

Which part don't you believe, April? I thought you were old enough that this would be a no brainer. Or maybe you just haven't payed much attention to campaign promises vs delivery after in office. Donno.

[Immanuel]

I have never heard of Crisis pregnancy Centers. All I have seen is this nut guy with big giant pics of fetus's all over his pick up truck in front of PP and screaming at every women who looks like she may enter.

When did you see me? Why didn't you say hi and introduce yourself? :D j/k

Immie

[Yurt]

so you need the government to tell you to give people money? some morals

apfril...

[Missileman]

Which part don't you believe, April? I thought you were old enough that this would be a no brainer. Or maybe you just haven't payed much attention to campaign promises vs delivery after in office. Donno.

They're running an Obama commercial that says McCain wants to give tax breaks to Big oil, but none for 101 million households. It later says Obama is going to give 3 times the tax break to the middle class as McCain is planning. Since 3 times zero is still zero, I guess that's a campaign promise we can count on Obama to keep. :laugh2:

[April15]

Which part don't you believe, April? I thought you were old enough that this would be a no brainer. Or maybe you just haven't payed much attention to campaign promises vs delivery after in office. Donno.Both parts of the post. For me this is an election for a one term president; as the mess we are in will destroy any credibility of the man we elect. I believe Obama will take advice and make changes better and easier than McCain would. HH or FDR is the choice I am seeing here. Obama is one that knows about talking softly and carry a big stick.

[manu1959]

Both parts of the post. For me this is an election for a one term president; as the mess we are in will destroy any credibility of the man we elect. I believe Obama will take advice and make changes better and easier than McCain would. HH or FDR is the choice I am seeing here. Obama is one that knows about talking softly and carry a big stick.

fdr's social programs.....omfg....we are screwed.....

[Nukeman]

Nuke, I can't rep you on this bro, thanks!:cheers2:

AF:salute:Any time my friend..... Any time....... See you in about 3 weeks:cheers2::coffee:

[Trigg]

I would be in favor of this. Because, unlike you, I believe that those who have should help out those who have not. But you are welcome to continue being selfish.

You've been on this board long enough to realize that all but a few here would benefit from Obama's plan. Yet, MOST are still against it..

People work hard for their money, and believe it or not, MANY small business will fall into bambams new higher tax plan. These are people who work hard and bring employment to small American towns.


Why would people strive to do better if they know the gov. is going to punish them for their trouble. Why woud they stay in a country that is going to take their money away???

The problem with libs is they think the gov. owes them a living. People don't want to work for what they have, they just want it given to them. At the other end of the spectrum you have guilty rich libs who think throwing money at a problem somehow makes it better. They don't seem to understand the PRIDE that comes along with earning your money instead of having it handed to you.

All you have to do is look at children. They beg for money to spend, if it's mom and dads, but make them earn it and tell them they have to spend their own and they're MUCH MORE CAREFULL how they spend it.

[Nukeman]

You've been on this board long enough to realize that all but a few here would benefit from Obama's plan. Yet, MOST are still against it..

People work hard for their money, and believe it or not, MANY small business will fall into bambams new higher tax plan. These are people who work hard and bring employment to small American towns.


Why would people strive to do better if they know the gov. is going to punish them for their trouble. Why woud they stay in a country that is going to take their money away???

The problem with libs is they think the gov. owes them a living. People don't want to work for what they have, they just want it given to them. At the other end of the spectrum you have guilty rich libs who think throwing money at a problem somehow makes it better. They don't seem to understand the PRIDE that comes along with earning your money instead of having it handed to you.

All you have to do is look at children. They beg for money to spend, if it's mom and dads, but make them earn it and tell them they have to spend their own and they're MUCH MORE CAREFULL how they spend it.EXACTLY!!!!! i tried to rep you but i have to spread it around!!!!:cool:

[gabosaurus]

But Obama's plans will give the poor more money to buy guns!

[stephanie]

just because you have a college degree, it doesn't guarantee that you are intelligent..as we've seen..:coffee:

[Abbey Marie]

I would suggest finding a way to invest in daytime TV programming. There will be oodles more people sitting on their couches all day, watching umpteen judge shows and that classy Maury Povitch.

[Nukeman]

But Obama's plans will give the poor more money to buy guns!
your attemp to be funny is really tiresome. YOU think that everyone on here is a gun nut. Tell yaa what, take a freaking poll and see how many guns everyone on here owns if any.

YOU presume too much, just because someone is for maintaining the integrity of the Constitution you feel they are a "nut" or some how unstable. Yet you freely admit to having mentel issues yourself. So who has the problem here..... IDIOT!!!

[Immanuel]

your attemp to be funny is really tiresome. YOU think that everyone on here is a gun nut. Tell yaa what, take a freaking poll and see how many guns everyone on here owns if any.

YOU presume too much, just because someone is for maintaining the integrity of the Constitution you feel they are a "nut" or some how unstable. Yet you freely admit to having mentel issues yourself. So who has the problem here..... IDIOT!!!

I'd rep you for everything but the "IDIOT!!!" on this post... 'cept I can't.

Immie

[Nukeman]

I'd rep you for everything but the "IDIOT!!!" on this post... 'cept I can't.

ImmieUnderstandable, she just likes to push and push and push. I usualy refrain for calling her names but lately she must be off her meds or something:cool:

[avatar4321]

But Obama's plans will give the poor more money to buy guns!

1)its not true
2)Whats it matter that you have the money if its illegal to own a gun under an Obama administration?

[April15]

1)its not true
2)Whats it matter that you have the money if its illegal to own a gun under an Obama administration?I hate to break the news to you but gun ownership will not be made illegal. Tough to get but not illegal.

[Missileman]

I hate to break the news to you but gun ownership will not be made illegal. Tough to get but not illegal.

Legal gun ownership will be made tough you mean...illegal gun ownership will remain as easy as ever.

[April15]

Legal gun ownership will be made tough you mean...illegal gun ownership will remain as easy as ever.That is how it is in California now!