Expectations

[midcan5]

What does it say about our nation today when a candidate for vice president is measured not by their abilities and experience but by the fact that expectations for them are so low anything but an act of buffoonery is considered passable? Have the low standards we set in our schools and in some work areas passed into politics, or has it always been that way. A deeper question: has America lost her pride and now thinks mediocrity is the best we can do? Palin like Bush is mediocre, that fact is undeniable.

[Immanuel]

And Obama/Biden is "same ole shit, different package".

Personally, I prefer the candidate that is not part of the Washington elite. She may not have all the experience that Biden has... and honestly... that is a damned good thing! Experience can be a bad thing especially when your experience includes selling out to the highest bidder at every corner.

Immie

[midcan5]

Personally, I prefer the candidate that is not part of the Washington elite. She may not have all the experience that Biden has... and honestly... that is a damned good thing! Experience can be a bad thing especially when your experience includes selling out to the highest bidder at every corner.

So in essence you are saying mediocrity is ok especially when it is outside Washington mediocrity. I think that is why we have the buffoons we have in office now.



A vote for McCain/Palin is a vote to continue the same economic policies that are destroying the middle class in America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j56i15Wdgok

[Immanuel]

So in essence you are saying mediocrity is ok especially when it is outside Washington mediocrity. I think that is why we have the buffoons we have in office now.



And Obama and Biden are two of those buffoons... yet you would encourage them by simply extending their stays in Washington. Gotta love the liberal mind. ;)

Immie

[PostmodernProphet]

So in essence you are saying mediocrity is ok especially when it is outside Washington mediocrity. I think that is why we have the buffoons we have in office now.


mid, mediocrity would be a boon over against the outright risk of an Obama presidency.....dangerous foreign policy, damaging economic policy.....fortunately, mediocrity isn't what's offered by the Republican ticket, so the choice is even more obvious.....

[avatar4321]

What does it say about our nation today when a candidate for vice president is measured not by their abilities and experience but by the fact that expectations for them are so low anything but an act of buffoonery is considered passable? Have the low standards we set in our schools and in some work areas passed into politics, or has it always been that way. A deeper question: has America lost her pride and now thinks mediocrity is the best we can do? Palin like Bush is mediocre, that fact is undeniable.

i know its kind of sad that Bidens expectations were so low.

[Nukeman]

So in essence you are saying mediocrity is ok especially when it is outside Washington mediocrity. I think that is why we have the buffoons we have in office now.



A vote for McCain/Palin is a vote to continue the same economic policies that are destroying the middle class in America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j56i15WdgokWhy do you say Palin is "mediocre"? She has not had the opportunity to show you how she works and handles herself in the "Washington" setting. You have already made up your mind without even giving her a chance to prove herself.

Yet your willing to take Obama who voted partyline 96% of the time. Tell me what is more mediocre than that, not even thinking for yourself but doing what the party tells you to... :poke:

[midcan5]

Why do you say Palin is "mediocre"? She has not had the opportunity to show you how she works and handles herself in the "Washington" setting. You have already made up your mind without even giving her a chance to prove herself.

Yet your willing to take Obama who voted partyline 96% of the time. Tell me what is more mediocre than that, not even thinking for yourself but doing what the party tells you to...


Before I replied to your question, I looked on the web for others who thought she was mediocre. You can find their opinions if you care, some are conservative.

Her performance last evening proved she knows little about anything and simply repeats the conservative memes about taxes and big government. Not once did she demonstrate what I would consider statesperson qualifications. The wishy washy cheerleader mommy tone and rhetoric ain't my idea of person who can or should lead. There are many people McCain could have selected in his own party better than her, it demonstrates his lack of judgment.

Obama ideas and opinion demonstrate ability, consider his position on the Iraq invasion as a key example. But listen to him and it is clear who has potential. We liberals believe in those things that made America great, liberty, justice, and a playing field that give everyone an opportunity.



America for Dummies: A vote for McCain/Palin is a vote to further marginalize science and progress in America by supporting creationism (religion) as science.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/22/AR2008092202583.html

[stephanie]

liberals just consider themselves so noble...for wanting to force people who work, to give up their money and give it to those who don't or won't..

that's the level playing field for which they speak of...

and mediocrity is that shallow boy thing you all selected...he probably hasn't had an original idea since high school...
now all he is, is a puppet dangling from a string, and others are yanking it to make him perform...

[Abbey Marie]

...Not once did she demonstrate what I would consider statesperson qualifications

Yeah. Right.

Dick Cheney was very "statesman-like" and experienced, and you all treated him like dirt. Your statements above about Palin therefore have no credibility. We all can see that the only thing you think makes someone qualified is that "D" after their name. Or is it an "S"? Frankly, it's impossible to take you seriously.


Cheney... during the Ford administration where he served as White House Chief of Staff. In 1978, Cheney was elected to the U.S. House of Representatives from Wyoming; he was reelected five times, eventually becoming House Minority Whip. Cheney was selected to be the Secretary of Defense during the presidency of George H.W. Bush, holding the position for the majority of Bush's term. During this time, Cheney oversaw the 1991 Operation Desert Storm, among other actions...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney
...

[Yurt]

Before I replied to your question, I looked on the web for others who thought she was mediocre. You can find their opinions if you care, some are conservative.

Her performance last evening proved she knows little about anything and simply repeats the conservative memes about taxes and big government. Not once did she demonstrate what I would consider statesperson qualifications. The wishy washy cheerleader mommy tone and rhetoric ain't my idea of person who can or should lead. There are many people McCain could have selected in his own party better than her, it demonstrates his lack of judgment.

Obama ideas and opinion demonstrate ability, consider his position on the Iraq invasion as a key example. But listen to him and it is clear who has potential. We liberals believe in those things that made America great, liberty, justice, and a playing field that give everyone an opportunity.



America for Dummies: A vote for McCain/Palin is a vote to further marginalize science and progress in America by supporting creationism (religion) as science.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/22/AR2008092202583.html

how many times did biden count off obama talking points...actually count off...1, 2, 3

[stephanie]

the liberals got Sarah Palin all figured out in just those five weeks they've known her...

how?? just because they say so...:rolleyes:

I'd trust Sarah Palin more than I would that snooty man-boy who hates American and people who are white...

[Mr. P]

Before I replied to your question, I looked on the web for others who thought she was mediocre. You can find their opinions if you care, some are conservative.

Her performance last evening proved she knows little about anything and simply repeats the conservative memes about taxes and big government. Not once did she demonstrate what I would consider statesperson qualifications. The wishy washy cheerleader mommy tone and rhetoric ain't my idea of person who can or should lead. There are many people McCain could have selected in his own party better than her, it demonstrates his lack of judgment.

Obama ideas and opinion demonstrate ability, consider his position on the Iraq invasion as a key example. But listen to him and it is clear who has potential. We liberals believe in those things that made America great, liberty, justice, and a playing field that give everyone an opportunity.



America for Dummies: A vote for McCain/Palin is a vote to further marginalize science and progress in America by supporting creationism (religion) as science.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/22/AR2008092202583.html

My ASS!

If liberals believed in liberty: They wouldn't oppose the 1st or 2nd amendment as they do.

If liberals believed in justice: OJ would be in prison. BJ Bill would have really faced punishment. Hilary would probably have done jail time for obstruction etc.

If liberals believed in a playing field that gave everyone an opportunity: they won't focus on taking other peoples property in taxes by force.

You should review yer liberal beliefs.

[avatar4321]

My ASS!

If liberals believed in liberty: They wouldn't oppose the 1st or 2nd amendment as they do.

If liberals believed in justice: OJ would be in prison. BJ Bill would have really faced punishment. Hilary would probably have done jail time for obstruction etc.

If liberals believed in a playing field that gave everyone an opportunity: they won't focus on taking other peoples property in taxes by force.

You should review yer liberal beliefs.

They also wouldnt kill children without giving them a chance to survive.

[April15]

As Ronnie laid the groundwork for lowered expectations by his trickle down economy plan that got people wet and yellow we then got Bush 1 with no newt axes and read my lips. Followed by, if you believe the riech wingers, the lucivious Clinton scumbag and then the even lower expectency of the failure boy himself GWB.
It just seems natural that no one is listening.

[Sitarro]

As Ronnie laid the groundwork for lowered expectations by his trickle down economy plan that got people wet and yellow we then got Bush 1 with no newt axes and read my lips. Followed by, if you believe the riech wingers, the lucivious Clinton scumbag and then the even lower expectency of the failure boy himself GWB.
It just seems natural that no one is listening.

Why do I feel that you believe your arrogant, punkass, faggy imbecile of a Mayor is qualified to be in office? You are an ultra left wing neolib from one of the most beautiful cities on the planet, too bad it's populated with so many idiots just like you.

[diuretic]

Why do I feel that you believe your arrogant, punkass, faggy imbecile of a Mayor is qualified to be in office? You are an ultra left wing neolib from one of the most beautiful cities on the planet, too bad it's populated with so many idiots just like you.

Sitarro - you've got to stop restraining yourself, you'll do some damage keeping it all in, now you can do better than this - come on, really let fly! :laugh2:

[Sitarro]

Sitarro - you've got to stop restraining yourself, you'll do some damage keeping it all in, now you can do better than this - come on, really let fly! :laugh2:

I'll work on it.:cool:

[midcan5]

liberals just consider themselves so noble...for wanting to force people who work, to give up their money and give it to those who don't or won't..

You do realize that is only a slogan, a simplistic assessment of reality. Give it up and think a bit. Without it what would conservatives know.




Someday a child will ask why did you allow them to destroy the earth. A vote for McCain/Palin is a vote against Polar bears and the natural beauty of our nation.

[jimnyc]

You do realize that is only a slogan, a simplistic assessment of reality. Give it up and think a bit. Without it what would conservatives know.

Speaking of simplistic....

A vote for Osama/Lieden is a vote for fucking idiots like the douche above

[midcan5]

Yeah. Right.

Dick Cheney was very "statesman-like" and experienced, and you all treated him like dirt.

Cheney treated America as dirt, he was a draft dodger and a liar (Iraq/WMD), calling him a statesman would be contrary to everything he has done.

[midcan5]

Speaking of simplistic....

A vote for Osama/Lieden is a vote for fucking idiots like the douche above

That's profound, can I quote you?

[jimnyc]

That's profound, can I quote you?

What you can do is go and fuck yourself.

[midcan5]

the liberals got Sarah Palin all figured out in just those five weeks they've known her...

how?? just because they say so...:rolleyes:

I'd trust Sarah Palin more than I would that snooty man-boy who hates American and people who are white...

Another profundity.




http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm

[diuretic]

I'll work on it.:cool:

Good, you need to work hard at it, trust me :laugh2:

[diuretic]

What you can do is go and fuck yourself.

Jim, on the other hand, has mastered it.

:cheers2:

[jimnyc]

Jim, on the other hand, has mastered it.

:cheers2:

It wasn't me, I swear! I went to get my coffee, and evidently my Chihuahua has learned how to type!!

Amazing how the little bastard has taken a disliking to a few here. :laugh2:

[diuretic]

It wasn't me, I swear! I went to get my coffee, and evidently my Chihuahua has learned how to type!!

Amazing how the little bastard has taken a disliking to a few here. :laugh2:

Damnit I know what you mean. My Lhasa Apso gets into the "Free Tibet!" forums in other places and I've found my cat in doggie forums just giving them hell. Little buggers. They can't type for crap though which is how I catch them.

Back in a sec, got to take a pee.

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Fuk of dog yer turn nxt i is tiping

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[stephanie]

You do realize that is only a slogan, a simplistic assessment of reality. Give it up and think a bit. Without it what would conservatives know.




Someday a child will ask why did you allow them to destroy the earth. A vote for McCain/Palin is a vote against Polar bears and the natural beauty of our nation.

Ooooo. the "enlightened one" has spoken. should I bow?:banana:

[April15]

Why do I feel that you believe your arrogant, punkass, faggy imbecile of a Mayor is qualified to be in office? You are an ultra left wing neolib from one of the most beautiful cities on the planet, too bad it's populated with so many idiots just like you.You must have me mistaken for someone else. I live in Burlingame, California. Ya know where mrs Palin will be tomorrow! At the Hyatt about 900 yards from my house. That is not a city with whatever BS you are trying to pass off as verbage.

[April15]

Sitarro - you've got to stop restraining yourself, you'll do some damage keeping it all in, now you can do better than this - come on, really let fly! :laugh2:She could look at a map or even read my city to know i am not San Francisco. But maps are hard to discern when your eyes are closed.

[April15]

Ooooo. the "enlightened one" has spoken. should I bow?:banana:How about a leaky rowboat into the bearing straights!

[stephanie]

How about a leaky rowboat into the bearing straights!

oooooo, I won't bow, I'll just spit...:boobies:

[Yurt]

You must have me mistaken for someone else. I live in Burlingame, California. Ya know where mrs Palin will be tomorrow! At the Hyatt about 900 yards from my house. That is not a city with whatever BS you are trying to pass off as verbage.

you location does say:

san francisco bay area

:poke:

if you want to avoid confusion over the issue, just put burlingame, california :laugh2:

[April15]

you location does say:

san francisco bay area

:poke:

if you want to avoid confusion over the issue, just put burlingame, california :laugh2:I am sorry. I thought I had all with Burlingame.

[Yurt]

I am sorry. I thought I had all with Burlingame.

no worries

[Abbey Marie]

Cheney treated America as dirt, he was a draft dodger and a liar (Iraq/WMD), calling him a statesman would be contrary to everything he has done.

I see you conveniently left out all of the impressive Cheney qualifications I had listed in that same post. No to mention that when he debated Edwards, he showed that sissy-boy shyster what class and intelligence really are.

[Nukeman]

Before I replied to your question, I looked on the web for others who thought she was mediocre. You can find their opinions if you care, some are conservative.
Unlike you and your "liberal ilk" I MAKE UP MY OWN MIND. I don't rely on what others think. I can think for myself but you and you liberal lackeys go right ahead and think for each other!!!!


Her performance last evening proved she knows little about anything and simply repeats the conservative memes about taxes and big government.
I beg to differ with you on this, just because she doesn't espouse your ideas she must be wrong You know she may be thinking for herself!!!


Not once did she demonstrate what I would consider states person qualifications. The wishy washy cheerleader mommy tone and rhetoric ain't my idea of person who can or should lead. There are many people McCain could have selected in his own party better than her, it demonstrates his lack of judgment.
Maybe that is JUST what we need instead of the same old "statesman" that does nothing but talk and talk. Give me a "real" person any day instead of some two faced "politician".


Obama ideas and opinion demonstrate ability, consider his position on the Iraq invasion as a key example. But listen to him and it is clear who has potential. We liberals believe in those things that made America great, liberty, justice, and a playing field that give everyone an opportunity. NONE absolutely NONE of Obama's "ideas" are original or even his. He has writers and advisor's giving him the information to give to the "ignorant" masses. He does nothing but...... how do I put this.....he knows little about anything and simply repeats the liberal memes about taxes and big government



America for Dummies: A vote for McCain/Palin is a vote to further marginalize science and progress in America by supporting creationism (religion) as science.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/22/AR2008092202583.html America for Socialist and Marxist: A vote for Obama/Biden is a vote to tax the hell out of all and force everyone to enlist in a civilian national security force

http://volokh.com/posts/1220243277.shtml

[midcan5]

I see you conveniently left out all of the impressive Cheney qualifications I had listed in that same post. No to mention that when he debated Edwards, he showed that sissy-boy shyster what class and intelligence really are.

I'm sure Joseph Stalin had good points too.

[Kathianne]

I'm sure Joseph Stalin had good points too.

and I would bet that you find it easy to find Stalin's, Lenin's, and Hitler's good points much easier than a Bush or McCain.

Just call me clairvoyant.

[midcan5]

Nukeman, like her you gave no substance, but listen when Alaska is only a few miles from you that fills you with great knowledge. Face it the woman is a dummy and the press should say that, some honest conservatives have.


"In a conversation, you have to build your sentence phrase by phrase, monitoring the reaction of your listener, while aiming for relevance to the question. That’s what led Ms. Palin into word salad with Ms. Couric. But when the questioner is 30 feet away on the floor and you’re on a stage talking to a camera, which can’t interrupt or make faces, you can reel off a script without embarrassment. The concerns raised by the Couric interviews — that Ms. Palin memorizes talking points rather than grasping issues — should not be allayed by her performance in the forgiving format of a debate."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/opinion/04pinker.html?ref=opinion

[Kathianne]

Nukeman, like her you gave no substance, but listen when Alaska is only a few miles from you that fills you with great knowledge. Face it the woman is a dummy and the press should say that, some honest conservatives have.


"In a conversation, you have to build your sentence phrase by phrase, monitoring the reaction of your listener, while aiming for relevance to the question. That’s what led Ms. Palin into word salad with Ms. Couric. But when the questioner is 30 feet away on the floor and you’re on a stage talking to a camera, which can’t interrupt or make faces, you can reel off a script without embarrassment. The concerns raised by the Couric interviews — that Ms. Palin memorizes talking points rather than grasping issues — should not be allayed by her performance in the forgiving format of a debate."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/opinion/04pinker.html?ref=opinion

and when the man has been in the Congress for 30+ years, and spins a tale of US/France war activities in concert, in Lebanon, shouldn't YOU call him on that? Even if the 'woman' doesn't? Don't you care, that one makes up things and the other doesn't or is disinterested in such a lie?

[stephanie]

Nukeman, like her you gave no substance, but listen when Alaska is only a few miles from you that fills you with great knowledge. Face it the woman is a dummy and the press should say that, some honest conservatives have.


"In a conversation, you have to build your sentence phrase by phrase, monitoring the reaction of your listener, while aiming for relevance to the question. That’s what led Ms. Palin into word salad with Ms. Couric. But when the questioner is 30 feet away on the floor and you’re on a stage talking to a camera, which can’t interrupt or make faces, you can reel off a script without embarrassment. The concerns raised by the Couric interviews — that Ms. Palin memorizes talking points rather than grasping issues — should not be allayed by her performance in the forgiving format of a debate."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/opinion/04pinker.html?ref=opinion


man, what a bore...you must be a laugh riot at parties...yawn

[GW in Ohio]

What does it say about our nation today when a candidate for vice president is measured not by their abilities and experience but by the fact that expectations for them are so low anything but an act of buffoonery is considered passable? Have the low standards we set in our schools and in some work areas passed into politics, or has it always been that way. A deeper question: has America lost her pride and now thinks mediocrity is the best we can do? Palin like Bush is mediocre, that fact is undeniable.

midcan: Our political life has been in the crapper for some time, but there is hope this year. People do not seem to be buying into the GOP line.

I could see electing George Bush in 2000. Nobody knew what an idiot he was then. But in '04 there was no excuse whatsoever.

Regarding Sarah Palin, she's a novelty act. She is appealing to the right-wing Republican base, but no one outside of that base is buying her act. Yes, she's bright and chirpy, and I like to listen to her myself because she makes politics fun.

But do I think she's qualified to be vice president?

:lol::laugh2::dance::laugh2::lol:

[Immanuel]

midcan: Our political life has been in the crapper for some time, but there is hope this year. People do not seem to be buying into the GOP line.

I could see electing George Bush in 2000. Nobody knew what an idiot he was then. But in '04 there was no excuse whatsoever.

Regarding Sarah Palin, she's a novelty act. She is appealing to the right-wing Republican base, but no one outside of that base is buying her act. Yes, she's bright and chirpy, and I like to listen to her myself because she makes politics fun.

But do I think she's qualified to be vice president?

:lol::laugh2::dance::laugh2::lol:

The reason Bush won in 2004 was because the Democrats ran an elitist against him. Democrats ran a man that no one liked or trusted and a man who promised to make us subjects of the U.N.

If Obama wins in 2008 it will be because the Republicans ran a liberal against a liberal. It certainly won't be Gov. Palin's fault.

Do I think she is qualified to be Vice President? Yes.

Do I think she is qualified to be President? No, I don't think anyone is truly qualified for that job when they take it. It is too big of a responsibility.

Immie

[GW in Ohio]

The reason Bush won in 2004 was because the Democrats ran an elitist against him. Democrats ran a man that no one liked or trusted and a man who promised to make us subjects of the U.N.

If Obama wins in 2008 it will be because the Republicans ran a liberal against a liberal. It certainly won't be Gov. Palin's fault.

Do I think she is qualified to be Vice President? Yes.

Do I think she is qualified to be President? No, I don't think anyone is truly qualified for that job when they take it. It is too big of a responsibility.

Immie

Well, Immie, I think we can all look forward to Sarah Palin running for president in 2012.

[Immanuel]

Well, Immie, I think we can all look forward to Sarah Palin running for president in 2012.

I don't think so. If McCain losses this election, Gov. Palin will return to Alaska never to be heard from again in National politics, much like Dan Quayle.

Immie

[GW in Ohio]

I don't think so. If McCain losses this election, Gov. Palin will return to Alaska never to be heard from again in National politics, much like Dan Quayle.

Immie

I don't think so. When I saw Sarah Palin speaking at the GOP convention, I said to myself:


A star is born.

[Immanuel]

I think she's a fleeting star. If they lose she'll fade away into nothingness like so many others.

I like her. I won't vote for McCain just because of her, but I still like her, her style and the fact that she is from outside of Washington.

Immie

[midcan5]

Sarah Palin is the Joseph Goebbels of the current republican smear campaign, the lies flow off her tongue with such ease it amazes. Rove is proud. How long before she mentions Muslim and Obama in some juxtaposition you think? Any bets?

[mundame]

How long before she mentions Muslim and Obama in some juxtaposition you think? Any bets?


Is that such a stretch? Somebody named Barack Hussein Obama??? Rhymes with Osama? Went to Muslim school in Indonesia for years? Had a Muslim father with beaucoup extra wives, ran out on him?

Shoooooooo............I personally suppose Obama IS a Muslim, at least a Black Muslim. That awful church of his promoted Louis Farrakhan all the time, gave him money, and he's a Muslim.

[Abbey Marie]

Is that such a stretch? Somebody named Barack Hussein Obama??? Rhymes with Osama? Went to Muslim school in Indonesia for years? Had a Muslim father with beaucoup extra wives, ran out on him?

Shoooooooo............I personally suppose Obama IS a Muslim, at least a Black Muslim. That awful church of his promoted Louis Farrakhan all the time, gave him money, and he's a Muslim.

His own brother said he is Muslim, too.