Dad chases nude boy from daughter's room with pipe

[Yurt]

Dad chases nude boy from daughter's room with pipe

DELTONA, Fla. - An angry Deltona father whacked his teenage daughter's boyfriend with a metal pipe after finding the boy naked in his daughter's room. Authorities say the father, 45, didn't even know his daughter had a boyfriend ...........


When he heard noises coming from his daughter's bedroom Thursday morning and saw a stranger standing naked on the girl's bed, he swung a metal pipe. He then chased the teen out the front door and called police.

The boy was taken to the hospital where doctors closed a head wound with staples.

The father was charged with aggravated battery on a child and bonded out on $10,000.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080912/ap_on_fe_st/odd_angry_dad;_ylt=AoxqTJtFvsDYm4TqZtX_XfwEtbAF

what is happening to this country? the father gets charged? disgusting. the boy is lucky it wasn't his other head that needed treatment.

[avatar4321]

Id have the same reaction if i found some guy naked in my daughters room. Id be worried she was being sexually assaulted.

I think he probably has a good defense.

[Yurt]

absolutely and i think FL is big on defense verdicts for those that are defending their castle, especially when the naked person was standing over his daughter

[Immanuel]

I can't believe he was even charged!

The kid is lucky to be alive. My first thought would have been, "that son of a bitch is raping my daughter", and if he was lucky he might wake up out of a coma sometime next year.

Immie

[crin63]

I tend to think he would have large holes punched in him from my 45.

Obviously he was an intruder trying to harm my child whether invited in or not.

[gabosaurus]

I showed this story to my husband last night. Being pacifists at heart, we would not have hurt him. We would have made him leave the house. Without clothes. Let him walk home naked. :p

[Trigg]

Thursday morning and saw a stranger standing naked on the girl's bed, he swung a metal pipe. He then chased the teen out the front door and called police.

The kid is lucky to get out with a few stitches, considering the father didn't know who he was. A stranger in my daughters room would be lucky to leave through the door instead of the second story window.



I showed this story to my husband last night. Being pacifists at heart, we would not have hurt him. We would have made him leave the house. Without clothes. Let him walk home naked.

Gabby,
The story states that the boy was a stranger to the father. Your not saying that if your husband walked in on a stranger in your daughers room he would calmly escort him out, are you???????

[Silver]

I showed this story to my husband last night. Being pacifists at heart, we would not have hurt him. We would have made him leave the house. Without clothes. Let him walk home naked. :p

Thats probably just you first reaction...

After thinking it, you would have probably given him a pack of condoms and presented you daughter with a tube of KY....being pacifists and.................................stupid....

[Yurt]

I showed this story to my husband last night. Being pacifists at heart, we would not have hurt him. We would have made him leave the house. Without clothes. Let him walk home naked. :p

you would oggle, admit it :laugh2:

[5stringJeff]

I would have assumed he was raping my daughter and shot him multiple times. There would be no "running away." And, in Georgia, that's perfectly legal.

[Noir]

I would have assumed he was raping my daughter and shot him multiple times. There would be no "running away." And, in Georgia, that's perfectly legal.

Jesus Christ, you mean you'd happily kill a young man based on an assumption?...you wouldn't wait for you daughter to scream rape and then shoot, you'd just shoot?

It is just right that the man has been charged, what gave him the right to assult this guy with a pipe? and what if instead his daughter had been a lesbien...would it have been ok for him to burst into the room and hit a girl across the face cus he heard noises and made assumptions?

[Immanuel]

Jesus Christ, you mean you'd happily kill a young man based on an assumption?...you wouldn't wait for you daughter to scream rape and then shoot, you'd just shoot?

It is just right that the man has been charged, what gave him the right to assult this guy with a pipe? and what if instead his daughter had been a lesbien...would it have been ok for him to burst into the room and hit a girl across the face cus he heard noises and made assumptions?

That's right.

I know you're young, but I would suggest you think twice before you sneak into your girl's home and stand naked over her bed especially when you know the father is lurking somewhere in the house.

Immie

[5stringJeff]

Jesus Christ, you mean you'd happily kill a young man based on an assumption?...you wouldn't wait for you daughter to scream rape and then shoot, you'd just shoot?

It is just right that the man has been charged, what gave him the right to assult this guy with a pipe? and what if instead his daughter had been a lesbien...would it have been ok for him to burst into the room and hit a girl across the face cus he heard noises and made assumptions?

First, I would not have "happily" done it. I would have done it based on my utmost regard for my daughter's life, safety, and well-being.

Second, what gave the guy the right to assault him is that the boy was in the guy's house, without his knowledge/permission, doing unknown things to his daughter.

[Noir]

That's right.

I know you're young, but I would suggest you think twice before you sneak into your girl's home and stand naked over her bed especially when you know the father is lurking somewhere in the house.

Immie

Been there, done that, but i'm pretty sure i wouldn't have been beaten, i just find it horrid how many of ya's agree with this guy.



First, I would not have "happily" done it. I would have done it based on my utmost regard for my daughter's life, safety, and well-being.

So what would be so wrong with just turing on the room lights first? if your daughter screams rape then blow the guy away, but if its clear that she knows him would you still shoot him?



Second, what gave the guy the right to assault him is that the boy was in the guy's house, without his knowledge/permission, doing unknown things to his daughter.

Its called being young, sneaking about ect ect, it doesn't warent assult or death.
Also you ignored my question about if the daughter was a lesbien, if her girlfriend had sneaked into the guy's house, without his knowledge/permission, doing unknown things to his daughter would she have deserved the same?

[5stringJeff]

Also you ignored my question about if the daughter was a lesbien, if her girlfriend had sneaked into the guy's house, without his knowledge/permission, doing unknown things to his daughter would she have deserved the same?

Yes.

[Noir]

Yes.

My Lord. I have no reply to that.

and this time you left of the other half of the post, i.e. "So what would be so wrong with just turing on the room lights first? if your daughter screams rape then blow the guy away, but if its clear that she knows him would you still shoot him?"

[Immanuel]

So what would be so wrong with just turing on the room lights first? if your daughter screams rape then blow the guy away, but if its clear that she knows him would you still shoot him?



Doing that could get both you and your daughter killed. If he was a rapist, he would most likely be armed and your daughter dead before the light hit the far wall and you might just be next.

I wouldn't want to give him the time to react.

Immie

[Noir]

and this guy ran into a room wildly swinging a pipe, if they guy had a gun or a knife she'd have been stabed or shoot anyways,

...and how would you intend on shooting the guy if he was in bed with your daughter? firstly its in the dark, secondly they're litterally inchs apart, much too risky.

[5stringJeff]

My Lord. I have no reply to that.

and this time you left of the other half of the post, i.e. "So what would be so wrong with just turing on the room lights first? if your daughter screams rape then blow the guy away, but if its clear that she knows him would you still shoot him?"

OK, again, the assumption is that someone in my house, without my knowledge, in my daughter's room, is doing something bad to her. And yes, she is aware that this is my working assumption, so if she brought a boy home (which she wouldn't do anyaway - she's too smart to do something that stupid) she would know that I would be gunning for him.

What would be wrong with turning the lights on? Well, if I had time, I'm sure I would. But again, the assumption being that something bad is happening to my daughter, if I was able to see with the available light (i.e. moonlight through windows, the hall light behind me), I wouldn't need to turn on the lights.

[CatalystOfChaos]

Doing that could get both you and your daughter killed. If he was a rapist, he would most likely be armed and your daughter dead before the light hit the far wall and you might just be next.

I wouldn't want to give him the time to react.

Immie

70% of rapes are committed by/to people who already know each other.

29% of rapes are committed while holding a weapon, the other 70% are not armed at all.

But in the long run... it was dark. There was a naked, strange man in his daughter's room. He didn't recognize the man.

Anyone who would not have INSTANTLY reacted in a violent matter has a problem. If the daughter is young enough to still live with you, and there's a strange naked man in her room, he doesn't belong there. Even if she knew him, and you did not, he's naked in her room while she lives with you, and she didn't ask permission to have a guy over? He gets what he deserves.

Slaying the kid? Might be too much, he might have been invited in. Injury, wounding? Sure, why not. He won't be creeping in to any other father's daughter's rooms any time soon.

If I woke up and heard noises coming from the girls room, my first response would be to grab my baseball bat. My second would be to burst in and strike anyone I didn't recognize... especially if he was naked. And if he's naked and I DO recognize him, why would my reaction change any?

[Noir]

Anyone who would not have INSTANTLY reacted in a violent matter has a problem. If the daughter is young enough to still live with you, and there's a strange naked man in her room, he doesn't belong there. Even if she knew him, and you did not, he's naked in her room while she lives with you, and she didn't ask permission to have a guy over? He gets what he deserves.


Then i have a problem, also looking at the story both the guy and girl were 15. Again you are on the 'he gets what he diserves' camp, ever thought there may be a reason why sje did not tell her dad that she's going out with a guy when she's been seeing him for over a year and a half?


Slaying the kid? Might be too much, he might have been invited in. Injury, wounding? Sure, why not. He won't be creeping in to any other father's daughter's rooms any time soon.

Might be too much?!?!? you're talking about ending someones life here.


If I woke up and heard noises coming from the girls room, my first response would be to grab my baseball bat. My second would be to burst in and strike anyone I didn't recognize... especially if he was naked.

and i shall put it to you, what if the only person you were not to recognize was a girl? would they still meet your baseball bat?

[emmett]

Was he invited or not?

To me this is very important. If he was invited I would make sure he understood that I do the inviting at my house.

All of this can be done at gunpoint to assure the safety of all concerned. If I would have heard noises that aroused my concern I would have entered with a gun.....not a pipe!

If I determined that he was an uninvited entity........Well.........I would have terminated his worthless existance!

[CatalystOfChaos]

Then i have a problem, also looking at the story both the guy and girl were 15. Again you are on the 'he gets what he diserves' camp, ever thought there may be a reason why sje did not tell her dad that she's going out with a guy when she's been seeing him for over a year and a half?



Might be too much?!?!? you're talking about ending someones life here.



and i shall put it to you, what if the only person you were not to recognize was a girl? would they still meet your baseball bat?

1.) If she still lives with me, its my rules. I did not invite the person in. I don't care if she was dating him since she was in kindergarten. In my house, permission to be invited in is granted by either me or my girlfriend. The girls do not invite people in without permission. If she did invite someone in, they still don't have permission.

Personally, I'm not the kind of guy that would prevent the girls from telling me about someone they were dating. If one of the girls wants to date someone, they can talk to me about it. Approval/disapproval would be based upon the guy, the maturity of the girl, all kinds of factors. I would still hold firm to the fact that they should NOT be naked in my house, especially if I didn't give permission to even be there. He is an intruder because I, ME, did not give permission for him to be in the house. As long as its my house, that's the way it goes. The daughters do not have the power to permit anyone in the house.

2.) If I entered a room, and it appeared that someone could be harming one of the girls, that was the chance they took and the hazard they got themselves into. I would not seek or aim to kill. But if it happened, they should NOT have been in my home, naked, or in the girls room WITHOUT ME KNOWING ABOUT IT. All that had to happen for him not to be in danger was to ask if it was permissible to be there.

3.) Not only men can harm the girls. So yes. If there was a naked woman I didn't recognize or give permission to in the girls room, she'd be in just as much trouble. Man, woman, hermie, tranny, I don't care. I didn't give permission to this person to be in my house. End of story.

[CatalystOfChaos]

Was he invited or not?
!

If I didn't recognize his face, he was not invited.

The girls have no invite powers in my house. Only myself or my girlfriend.

[Said1]

Been there, done that, but i'm pretty sure i wouldn't have been beaten, i just find it horrid how many of ya's agree with this guy.

If anyone touched my child I would have no problem inflicting physical harm. No problem what-so-ever. Wanting to protect you family is a failrly commmon instinct. Good thing it wasn't a family of bears - he'd have several new assholes instead of a lump on his head..

[Noir]

right, i'm just giving up one this on, i find the worst bit being that 2 grown men have stated they would happily hit or shoot a teenage girl if the found them in their son or daughters room and they didn't know them, uterly amazing.

[Said1]

right, i'm just giving up one this on, i find the worst bit being that 2 grown men have stated they would happily hit or shoot a teenage girl if the found them in their son or daughters room and they didn't know them, uterly amazing.

Good idea. Talk to us when someone breaks into your house, while you're home. Doesn't leave you feeling warm and fuzzy.

[emmett]

right, i'm just giving up one this on, i find the worst bit being that 2 grown men have stated they would happily hit or shoot a teenage girl if the found them in their son or daughters room and they didn't know them, uterly amazing.

No one said anything about hitting a teenage girl Noir! If I found a teenage girl in my son's room who was uninvited I would do what every red blooded American would do. I would close the door, allow her to dress herself and then re-enter!

Now if she was raping my son........well.......I'd wait until she was done before opening the door!


Hence.....Women don't commit rape. I have never known of a case where a man has been raped against his will, at gun point, physically over powered or anything of the such. There would not be a reason to assault a girl which is where you were undoubtedly trying to twist this thing to go. Won't happen bub! Just won't happen.

Even our pitiful court system in America recognizes that boys and girls are different. Take the teacher on students cases of the last few years. The women who commited statutory rape on male students. They were basically slapped on the wrist. It wasn't until public outrage by a bunch of crybabies that one even received a sentence of two years. Most were scot free and with probation. Had it been men, they were certain to go to prison. The different standard goes right along with the kid in kids bedroom thing. A boy gets his ass kicked.......a girl....unt-uh!

[CatalystOfChaos]

right, i'm just giving up one this on, i find the worst bit being that 2 grown men have stated they would happily hit or shoot a teenage girl if the found them in their son or daughters room and they didn't know them, uterly amazing.

You're forgetting the naked part. A fully clothed, seated, quiet teenager might get a second's hesitation. A naked, in the dark, making noises enough for me to hear and wake me up? Different story. My eyes would sum up the situation in about 2 seconds. Age, size, posture, sex, hostility, everything would decide my course of action.

And there's the intruder part.

And I didn't say I'd be happy to do it. It'd be a painful necessity.

[emmett]

I can't even find a case of a woman in a federal prison in America for the actual charge of "child molestation".

[CatalystOfChaos]

No one said anything about hitting a teenage girl Noir! If I found a teenage girl in my son's room who was uninvited I would do what every red blooded American would do. I would close the door, allow her to dress herself and then re-enter!

Now if she was raping my son........well.......I'd wait until she was done before opening the door!


Hence.....Women don't commit rape. I have never known of a case where a man has been raped against his will, at gun point, physically over powered or anything of the such. There would not be a reason to assault a girl which is where you were undoubtedly trying to twist this thing to go. Won't happen bub! Just won't happen.

Even our pitiful court system in America recognizes that boys and girls are different. Take the teacher on students cases of the last few years. The women who commited statutory rape on male students. They were basically slapped on the wrist. It wasn't until public outrage by a bunch of crybabies that one even received a sentence of two years. Most were scot free and with probation. Had it been men, they were certain to go to prison. The different standard goes right along with the kid in kids bedroom thing. A boy gets his ass kicked.......a girl....unt-uh!

10% of all sexual crimes/offenses were committed by women.

Much smaller number.

But they do commit sexual crimes.

[Noir]

No one said anything about hitting a teenage girl Noir!


Not so.


Also you ignored my question about if the daughter was a lesbien, if her girlfriend had sneaked into the guy's house, without his knowledge/permission, doing unknown things to his daughter would she have deserved the same?


Yes.

and



and i shall put it to you, what if the only person you were not to recognize was a girl? would they still meet your baseball bat?


Not only men can harm the girls. So yes. If there was a naked woman I didn't recognize or give permission to in the girls room, she'd be in just as much trouble. Man, woman, hermie, tranny, I don't care. I didn't give permission to this person to be in my house. End of story.

[CatalystOfChaos]

What you also don't understand is that if either of the girls were lesbians, they know that they don't have to hide it.

Their grandmother's are lesbians, close family friends that live next door are gay... they wouldn't have to hide or sneak or invite people in who we would disapprove of.

It's the fact that there's someone in the house, in the kids room, who is not supposed to be there.

I can assume one way or the other, and assuming on the side of keeping my kids safe is the way I'm going.

[actsnoblemartin]

im not a parent, so perhaps I see this in a total 360 way, but wouldnt a hey, what the fuck you doing.

and a , IM HER BOYFRIEND!!!

and then a , I DONT GIVE A FUCK GET OUTTA HERE!

HUNNY is that your boyfriend?

i dont know?

perhaps im an idiot here?

[Immanuel]

I can't even find a case of a woman in a federal prison in America for the actual charge of "child molestation".

Federal prison? Would that be a federal prison? Not sure on that.

But then we have Debra LeFave, a teacher who was found guilty of having sex with a student, or was it two? and avoided prison because she "was too pretty for prison".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debra_Lafave

I must admit to thinking when the trial was going on... "dang! why didn't I get a teacher like that" {hangs head in shame}

Immie

[Gaffer]

We need laws against carrying pipes. That's the only way to stop this sort of thing. Regulating pipes will prevent this from ever happening again.

Ban pipes.

:cool:

[emmett]

im not a parent, so perhaps I see this in a total 360 way, but wouldnt a hey, what the fuck you doing.

and a , IM HER BOYFRIEND!!!

and then a , I DONT GIVE A FUCK GET OUTTA HERE!

HUNNY is that your boyfriend?

i dont know?

perhaps im an idiot here?



Perhaps!

[actsnoblemartin]

Perhaps!

common, i was just giving a different opinion

:coffee:

[Immanuel]

Perhaps!


common, i was just giving a different opinion

:coffee:

I agree with emmett. Perhaps it might have been a better way to handle the situation and after they drug me off the kid, I might think twice about ripping his heart out. Just a figure of speech, Noir, I wouldn't really do that... my wife would kill me for all the blood on her floors, ;) but truly given the time to think about it, you're scenario would be the appropriate way to deal with it.

That being said, if I really believed my daughter were in danger, I'd react first and think later. :laugh2:

Immie

[Yurt]

We need laws against carrying pipes. That's the only way to stop this sort of thing. Regulating pipes will prevent this from ever happening again.

Ban pipes.

:cool:

:clap:

[Yurt]

What you also don't understand is that if either of the girls were lesbians, they know that they don't have to hide it.

Their grandmother's are lesbians, close family friends that live next door are gay... they wouldn't have to hide or sneak or invite people in who we would disapprove of.

It's the fact that there's someone in the house, in the kids room, who is not supposed to be there.

I can assume one way or the other, and assuming on the side of keeping my kids safe is the way I'm going.

imagine if instead of his daughter it was his son, he would be charged with a hate crime...

sick world we live in

[manu1959]

beaten with a pipe for trying to lay some pipe.....there is a certain symmetry to this story that makes me smile.....