Obama: "Lipstick on a pig, still a pig"

[Little-Acorn]

I've been hearing lots of jubilant editorializing from various conservative and Republican groups, saying that the selection of Sarah Palin as McCain's VP candidate, has the liberals worried and even "desperate". I pretty much ignore most of the hype - there's still two months to go before the election.

But this is the first report I've seen of Barack Obama himself stooping to the kind of desperate rhetoric and personal insult of his opponent, that is characteristic of true panic.

Palin can say things about herself like "Know the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick.", and it's just a humorous joke. Just as Obama could conceivably refer to himself as a "nigger" (he hasn't that I know of, but some black people refer to themselves and their friends with that word), and the term would have no insulting meaning.

But Obama's use here, takes it to a whole new level. I don't recall EVER hearing a presidential candidate publicly refer to a major member of the opposition as a "pig".

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http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Obama_Lipstick_on_a_pig.html

Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig'
September 09, 2008

Amie Parnes reports from Lebanon, VA:

Obama poked fun of McCain and Palin's new "change" mantra.

"You can put lipstick on a pig," he said as the crowd cheered. "It's still a pig."

"You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It's still gonna stink."

"We've had enough of the same old thing."

The crowd apparently took the "lipstick" line as a reference to Palin, who described the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull in a single word: "lipstick."

[Yurt]

he belongs to mfm's church

[manu1959]

nothing obama says or does will alter my vote...........

[Mr. P]

nothing obama says or does will alter my vote...........

What a surprise! Think much?:poke::cheers2:

[MtnBiker]

Wow that was dumb. How soon before he make a retraction?

[manu1959]

What a surprise! Think much?:poke::cheers2:

more clearly than you today..........:laugh2:

[Mr. P]

more clearly than you today..........:laugh2:

True...I blame work..a very stressful 2 wks.

[Kathianne]

I haven't been online much, Abbey missed me. ;) However just before coming here I was looking at Yahoo headlines:


• Obama steps up criticism of Palin as she boosts GOP ticket

• Poll shows big shift to McCain among white women

Polls

A look around some of the blogs:




JENNIFER RUBIN: "While Obama supporters flail about and bemoan the state of the race, here’s something to consider: the fix which Barack Obama is now in is entirely of his own making."



POLITICO: Ed Koch Backs Obama, Calls Palin "Scary."

UPDATE: Wall Street Journal: Record Contradicts Palin's 'Bridge' Claims. Remember, you may like her, but like everybody else in this race she's a politician. Don't go building a cult.

ANOTHER UPDATE: Reader Kenneth Scislaw emails:

You are puzzling. Your immediate reaction to Palin was negative and gloomy. You've clearly been dragged along to the point you are luke warm. You are now hectoring your readers about CULTS!!

Hectoring? I don't see my reaction to the Palin nomination the same way as Scislaw does, but, really, "luke warm" is about as good as I get where politicians are concerned. People think I'm a Pollyanna sometimes, but as I've noted before, it's because my expectations are low.

I do find it odd, though, that they're attacking her over the Bridge when Obama and Biden voted for it in place of funding Katrina relief with the money, as Tom Coburn wanted.
posted at 10:35 AM by Glenn Reynolds



OBAMA SUPPORTERS vandalizing Sarah Palin's Wikipedia entry? That's not nice, children.

UPDATE: Professor Bainbridge on entitlement and desperation. I blame the SATs for producing a sense that if you're good enough, you don't actually have to work for things or take chances.
posted at 07:45 AM by Glenn Reynolds Permalink

ADVICE TO OBAMA, from Ann Althouse: "Obama! Listen to me! You are at your best when you have somebody to push up against! You were so much better on O'Reilly. . . . Do those town hall meetings with McCain, why don't you? Stop protecting yourself so much. Get out there and fight with people who don't particularly like you. Expose yourself to disagreement."

Palin has certainly generated 'excitement'. :laugh2:

[Silver]

Obama: "Lipstick on a pig, still a pig"

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Thats a terrible thing for Obama to say about his wife....even if true, its a personal matter.....

[manu1959]

True...I blame work..a very stressful 2 wks.

no worries......i am sorry that work has been a bitch.....all the best to you....

[theHawk]

LOL, the liberal pundits are saying that Obama was not talking about Sarah Palin. Who was he talking about then? Hillary?

[MtnBiker]

Obama made a gaffe with his muslim faith. Now he makes a reference to pigs and lipstick. Though he made not have been directly referring to Palin he needs to pay attention to the political climate and realize that he just lost 20% of the white female vote. This lipstick talk is not going to help him.

[Kathianne]

Obama made a gaffe with his muslim faith. Now he makes a reference to pigs and lipstick. Though he made not have been directly referring to Palin he needs to pay attention to the political climate and realize that he just lost 20% of the white female vote. This lipstick talk is not going to help him.

Money.

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http://tomtrel.blogspot.com/2008/09/when-pigs-fly.html



Since Palin owns the word 'lipstick" this season due to the punchline to her oft-repeated hockey mom joke, will the ever-sensitive Dems recognize the three glaring references to:

1) Sarah Palin is the pig in lipstick
2)"Old" is a dig at McCain
3) Fish" is a derogatory slang for women (ask Andrew Sullivan)

If Obama meant to imply all of that, he is unfit to be President.
If Obama did not mean to imply any of that, he is an idiot for not knowing what words are "code" words.

BTW, If McCain had characterized Obama's secretiveness regarding Ayers and Wright as "Trying to get the fried chicken recipe from Colonel Sanders", or described Obama's Marxist environmental programs as "Like watermelons...Green on the outside, Red on the inside", would that be simply using a "turn of the phrase" and would McCain not be attacked by libs?

This is a major gaffe from Obama.

UPDATE: Video added. As you can see, the crowd of post-racial light worker fans knew exactly who and what he meant. Apparently Joe Biden was introduced at a different event by Congressman Carnahan with a different take on the lipstick theme.

[avatar4321]

Obama: "Lipstick on a pig, still a pig"

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Thats a terrible thing for Obama to say about his wife....even if true, its a personal matter.....

I was thinking the same thing.

Obama is right though. No matter what they try to call socialism. Call it hope. Call it change. It's still crappy.

[Mr. P]

1) Sarah Palin is the pig in lipstick
2)"Old" is a dig at McCain
3) Fish" is a derogatory slang for women

That was exactly how I interpreted the comments. Guess I wasn't alone.

[-Cp]

http://www.palinplanet.com/2008/09/09/obama-refers-to-sarah-as-a-pig/


I think it's over for him after this comment...

[Kathianne]

http://www.palinplanet.com/2008/09/09/obama-refers-to-sarah-as-a-pig/


I think it's over for him after this comment...

Cp, I'm going to merge this with a previous thread.

[Kathianne]

More on Obama being less than brilliant, there's lots more that I'm not quoting, and lots of links:

http://www.pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/archives2/024095.php


MORE STILL: Reader Meryl Jefferson emails: "Palin is, quite obviously, getting inside Obama’s head. This was beyond stupid! This will be played by McCain quite easily: Sarah will continue to bait him and he just goes for it. Remember the Wyle E. Coyote/Roadrunner meme that Ann Althouse set up when Palin was first rolled out? Well, she was right!"

Meanwhile, David Winslow invokes Trent Lott and Strom Thurmond:


...Seriously, nobody with half a brain thinks Obama was referring to Palin.

But, nobody with half a brain thinks a basic compliment at your friend's 100th birthday party belies veiled racism.

Just saying it would be nice to have these things treated consistently for a change. Consistently sane.

Hmm. As a Lott critic on that issue, I'm not sure how I should take that, but okay. And reader Tim Ryan reads the whole Obama statement and says: "He's a skilled orator, and he brings it all back around to McCain and Palin. It is absolutely clear that he is tying Palin to the Pig and McCain to the Old Fish. He didn't construct this accidentally or innocently. Unless you think that he isn't skilled or smart, and we all know that he is. He tries to create some plausible deniability, but there are only two explanations - he is either a mean-spirited p***, or he's an idiot. And the latter simply isn't true."

Meanwhile, Barry Dauphin writes: "Obama was inelegant in his comment. He was referring to Palin. Although it was not a good comment, getting hysterical about it is not smart. Put it this way, Obama's comment was hardly post partisan. He's usually a better speaker than this. He and his campaign must be quite rattled. They are playing to their base instead of going after independents. Why are they doing that, unless they are worried about their base? Do they have internal polling showing things to be worse for them than the MSM is reporting?" ....

[retiredman]

"putting lipstick on as pig" is an idiom that has been in general usage for years...

to try and claim that Obama's use of it is somehow an example of him calling Palin a pig is silly.

but if that silly claim revs up your moronic illiterate base, I guess you go with the faux outrage and try to reap the benefits, eh?

[krisy]

"putting lipstick on as pig" is an idiom that has been in general usage for years...

to try and claim that Obama's use of it is somehow an example of him calling Palin a pig is silly.

but if that silly claim revs up your moronic illiterate base, I guess you go with the faux outrage and try to reap the benefits, eh?


It's been talked about on quite a few networks,by what we all know are liberal "journalists". It's not just McCain's camp talking about it.

[retiredman]

It's been talked about on quite a few networks,by what we all know are liberal "journalists". It's not just McCain's camp talking about it.


I don't care who talked about it, it is a well known idiom that predates Sarah's lipstick on a pitbull line by decades..... that's a fact. But DO keep reving up the illiterate morons with it...it obviously works.

[krisy]

I don't care who talked about it, it is a well known idiom that predates Sarah's lipstick on a pitbull line by decades..... that's a fact. But DO keep reving up the illiterate morons with it...it obviously works.

Boy you can be nasty for a preacher...:poke:

I am actually on the fence with this one. I'm not sure I think he would be braisen enough to actually call her a pig. I do believe it was just a follow up to her pit bull comments.

Only he knows what he meant,but I think we can all agree it didn't sound good and wasn't a smart thing to say....at all.

[retiredman]

Boy you can be nasty for a preacher...:poke:

I am actually on the fence with this one. I'm not sure I think he would be braisen enough to actually call her a pig. I do believe it was just a follow up to her pit bull comments.

Only he knows what he meant,but I think we can all agree it didn't sound good and wasn't a smart thing to say....at all.


I disagree.... I think the idiom of putting lipstick on a pig is in such common usage that, from my perspective, I am quite clear about the context in which it was used. And the right jumps on it and makes it a big deal for exactly the reasons I previously listed.

[krisy]

I disagree.... I think the idiom of putting lipstick on a pig is in such common usage that, from my perspective, I am quite clear about the context in which it was used. And the right jumps on it and makes it a big deal for exactly the reasons I previously listed.

This is politics tho. There has been all kinds of things said by both sides that were blown out of proportion. I think part of the reason it is being jumped on so hard is because it is obvious that Obamas camp is rattled by Sarah Palins entrance into this race.

[retiredman]

for sure...the republicans want to make this race about Palin because they know if it is about McCain and Bush, they lose.

[krisy]

for sure...the republicans want to make this race about Palin because they know if it is about McCain and Bush, they lose.

Palin has definitely added a nice bounce to McCain,but they were pretty much even before she got in. She will end up being the deciding factor for a lot of people,and more power to her!!

[theHawk]

I was thinking the same thing.

Obama is right though. No matter what they try to call socialism. Call it hope. Call it change. It's still crappy.

It is quite ironic that a socialist pig like Obama would call anyone else a pig. :laugh2:

[retiredman]

It is quite ironic that a socialist pig like Obama would call anyone else a pig.

Clearly, he didn't call anyone a pig. He used a well known idiom to express the fact that dressing up the same tired old Bush policies and calling them "change" does not make them anything other thna tired old Bush policies.

[retiredman]

Palin has definitely added a nice bounce to McCain,but they were pretty much even before she got in. She will end up being the deciding factor for a lot of people,and more power to her!!

what she will "end up" doing is anyone's guess at this point, isn't it?

[PostmodernProphet]

Clearly, he didn't call anyone a pig. He used a well known idiom to express the fact that dressing up the same tired old Bush policies and calling them "change" does not make them anything other thna tired old Bush policies.

I would have to say, this is one tar baby he shouldn't have grabbed....

[krisy]

what she will "end up" doing is anyone's guess at this point, isn't it?


:laugh2:

Not sure exactly what that means,but it sure looks like she's got your panties in a bunch.

Sarah Palin is a new kind of feminist....an unselfish one.

[retiredman]

:laugh2:

Not sure exactly what that means,but it sure looks like she's got your panties in a bunch.

Sarah Palin is a new kind of feminist....an unselfish one.

actually... I am personally quite pleased with Palin as a pick and how everyone has seemingly fallen in love with her. When she is forced to actually debate, I think the her lack of depth of knowledge will be quite surprising and disappointing to many in the middle. She very well may energize the base who was not all that hot for McCain, but I doubt that she'll hold onto her support from the middle once her thin base of knowledge is exposed.... but that is just my opinion.

[MtnBiker]

John McCain's taken the better boost from the presidential nominating conventions, eroding Barack Obama's advantage on change, improving on enthusiasm, moving away from George W. Bush -- and advancing among white women with help from his surprise vice presidential pick.

The latest ABC News/Washington Post poll puts Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama in a dead heat as white women shift to McCain and the Republican contender erodes Obama's advantage on change and enthusiasm.

Some of McCain's biggest gains in this ABC News/Washington Post poll are among white women, a group to which "hockey mom" Sarah Palin has notable appeal: Sixty-seven percent view her favorably and 58 percent say her selection makes them more confident in McCain's decision-making. Among those with children, Palin does better yet. And enthusiasm for McCain among his female supporters has soared.

White women have moved from 50-42 percent in Obama's favor before the conventions to 53-41 percent for McCain now, a 20-point shift in the margin that's one of the single biggest post-convention changes in voter preferences. The other, also to McCain's advantage, is in the battleground Midwest, where he's moved from a 19-point deficit to a 7-point edge.

http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Politics/story?id=5751238&page=1

It doesn't really matter if Obama purposefully make the lipstick comment directed at Palin. The fact is she is the only canidate in the race that actually wears lipstick. And whether or not some believe that Obama was referring to Palin, there are going to be several women that belive he was. Obama needs to pay attention his support among white women is already erroding and him and Biden talking about lipstick isn't going to help.

[retiredman]

I understand that facts don't matter and that spin and perception prevail...especially when McCain himself earlier used that very same "lipstick on a pig" idiomatic expression when talking about Hillary's healthcare plan. I never saw any republicans OR democrats huffing and puffing with faux outrage that McCain had called Hillary a pig... odd, don't you think?

McCain doesn't want to make this campaign about what he is going to DO.... because everyone knows that what he is going to do is pretty much the same thing that has been done for the past eight years.... he needs to make this about fluff and not substance. I would not be at all surprised if he succeeds... disappointed, certainly, but not surprised.

[darin]

I understand that facts don't matter and that spin and perception prevail...especially when McCain himself earlier used that very same "lipstick on a pig" idiomatic expression when talking about Hillary's healthcare plan. I never saw any republicans OR democrats huffing and puffing with faux outrage that McCain had called Hillary a pig... odd, don't you think?

McCain doesn't want to make this campaign about what he is going to DO.... because everyone knows that what he is going to do is pretty much the same thing that has been done for the past eight years.... he needs to make this about fluff and not substance. I would not be at all surprised if he succeeds... disappointed, certainly, but not surprised.

MtnBiker said it best:


It doesn't really matter if Obama purposefully make the lipstick comment directed at Palin. The fact is she is the only canidate in the race that actually wears lipstick. And whether or not some believe that Obama was referring to Palin, there are going to be several women that belive he was. Obama needs to pay attention his support among white women is already erroding and him and Biden talking about lipstick isn't going to help.

[namvet]

he meant every word of it. but he's going on TV and give us his knowledge and definition of 'pigs'. perhaps porkers???? he is the expert here.
now you see why liberals lose elections. he and that idiot VP both have their feet up their ass's. Osama is :lame2:

[Sitarro]

I would have to say, this is one tar baby he shouldn't have grabbed....

He is quite niggardly when it comes to common sense.:laugh2::laugh2:

[manu1959]

He is quite niggardly when it comes to common sense.:laugh2::laugh2:

he definately should have chucked that spear at another target....:laugh2:

[manu1959]

I understand that facts don't matter and that spin and perception prevail...especially when McCain himself earlier used that very same "lipstick on a pig" idiomatic expression when talking about Hillary's healthcare plan. I never saw any republicans OR democrats huffing and puffing with faux outrage that McCain had called Hillary a pig... odd, don't you think?

McCain doesn't want to make this campaign about what he is going to DO.... because everyone knows that what he is going to do is pretty much the same thing that has been done for the past eight years.... he needs to make this about fluff and not substance. I would not be at all surprised if he succeeds... disappointed, certainly, but not surprised.

hillary is a pig......obama would like to return us to the carter years.....except he has now said....we may have to keep our trrops in the middle east....and we may not be able to cut taxes.....next we will hear....we may not be able to afford natinalized health care right now.....we may not be able to disarm the world.....we may not actually be able to change anyhting....be we hope that someday we will be able to ........

classic community organizer ..... lots of promises no changes.....

[Sitarro]

hillary is a pig......obama would like to return us to the carter years.....except he has now said....we may have to keep our trrops in the middle east....and we may not be able to cut taxes.....next we will hear....we may not be able to afford natinalized health care right now.....we may not be able to disarm the world.....we may not actually be able to change anyhting....be we hope that someday we will be able to ........

classic community organizer ..... lots of promises no changes.....

Rush just said........

You can put lipstick on a community organizer........

but it doesn't make him Presidential material. :coffee:

[manu1959]

Rush just said........

You can put lipstick on a community organizer........

but it doesn't make him Presidential material. :coffee:


you can put a monkey in a chair on a porch but it doesn't make him a porch monkey.....

[Yurt]

just an old expression....right....then why is it the entire audience busted up laughing, cheering and clapping... it if really was just an old expression.

they knew what he meant and he knew what meant. palin just recently mentions lipstick and obama just accidentally uses an old experssion...denial is one of the stages of grief.

[Mr. P]

If ya take the floppy ears off a monkey...it's still a monkey.

Just a well known ole Southern idiom :lol:

[Little-Acorn]

Who said:

"You can put a mule in a horse's harness, dress him up all fancy, but he's a mule just the same."

Fairly close quote, without the implied accent.

[retiredman]

McCain used the exact same idiom earlier in the campaign when discussing Hillary Clinton's health care proposal. NO ONE suggested that he was somehow calling Hillary a PIG when he said it.

Rather than actually be forced to delineate what about their foreign policy or their tax policy or their environmental policy or their economic policy or their heath care policy is, in any way a CHANGE, the McCain-Palin campaign wants to throw hissy fits of righteous indignation over silly shit like this.

Like I said, McCain used "lipstick on a pig" to describe Hillary Clinton's healthcare proposal, not to describe HER. Same thing here.

[Little-Acorn]

McCain used the exact same idiom earlier in the campaign when discussing Hillary Clinton's health care proposal. NO ONE suggested that he was somehow calling Hillary a PIG when he said it.


(yawn) Hillary hadn't just burst on the scene with an attention-grabbing joke about how she wore lipstick.

Next non-sequitor, please.......

[Yurt]

McCain used the exact same idiom earlier in the campaign when discussing Hillary Clinton's health care proposal. NO ONE suggested that he was somehow calling Hillary a PIG when he said it.

Rather than actually be forced to delineate what about their foreign policy or their tax policy or their environmental policy or their economic policy or their heath care policy is, in any way a CHANGE, the McCain-Palin campaign wants to throw hissy fits of righteous indignation over silly shit like this.

Like I said, McCain used "lipstick on a pig" to describe Hillary Clinton's healthcare proposal, not to describe HER. Same thing here.

:lol: coming from the guy that cries racism all the time over obama and if someone makes thread about obama, they are obsessed...here's a quarter, go play somewhere

[manu1959]

:lol: coming from the guy that cries racism all the time over obama and if someone makes thread about obama, they are obsessed...here's a quarter, go play somewhere


you can't be racist against obama....he is white.....

[Yurt]

you can't be racist against obama....he is white.....

:laugh2:

[Kathianne]

McCain used the exact same idiom earlier in the campaign when discussing Hillary Clinton's health care proposal. NO ONE suggested that he was somehow calling Hillary a PIG when he said it.

Rather than actually be forced to delineate what about their foreign policy or their tax policy or their environmental policy or their economic policy or their heath care policy is, in any way a CHANGE, the McCain-Palin campaign wants to throw hissy fits of righteous indignation over silly shi* like this.

Like I said, McCain used "lipstick on a pig" to describe Hillary Clinton's healthcare proposal, not to describe HER. Same thing here.

McCain made it clear he was referring to her plan, not her. Not at all about what Obama said, in fact the crowd reaction made obvious his intention and that it hit the mark, as he fully intended.

[retiredman]

(yawn) Hillary hadn't just burst on the scene with an attention-grabbing joke about how she wore lipstick.

Next non-sequitor, please.......

her attention grabbing joke does not predate Obama's frequent use - nor politicians in general, including McCain's, frequent use - of that well known idiom. It is the ideal idiom to use when trying to characterize the McCain campaign's insistence that, somehow, their positions on everything which are all nearly identical to Bush's are somehow CHANGE. It ain't change, and no matter how you dress it up, it STILL ain't change.

But, as I said...DO keep talking about it. We've got a global war on terror to debate, the economy is sinking, healthcare sucks, the planet is choking....but let's not talk about any of that...LET'S TALK ABOUT FUCKING LIPSTICK!!!!! It is clear that the republicans know that their "change" bullshit is weak, and they have nothing else.... so, lipstick it is!

[retiredman]

McCain made it clear he was referring to her plan, not her. Not at all about what Obama said, in fact the crowd reaction made obvious his intention and that it hit the mark, as he fully intended.

He most certainly DID make it clear. And what he hit the mark with was the accuracy of his idiom and the crowd reacted to that. McCain's message of "change" IS putting lipstick on a pig.

And please tell me, how the hell you KNOW what he "fully intended"????

[Yurt]

her attention grabbing joke does not predate Obama's frequent use - nor politicians in general, including McCain's, frequent use - of that well known idiom. It is the ideal idiom to use when trying to characterize the McCain campaign's insistence that, somehow, their positions on everything which are all nearly identical to Bush's are somehow CHANGE. It ain't change, and no matter how you dress it up, it STILL ain't change.

But, as I said...DO keep talking about it. We've got a global war on terror to debate, the economy is sinking, healthcare sucks, the planet is choking....but let's not talk about any of that...LET'S TALK ABOUT FUCKING LIPSTICK!!!!! It is clear that the republicans know that their "change" bullshit is weak, and they have nothing else.... so, lipstick it is!

:link:

yeah, let's talk about it, you keep talking about it while claiming your moral highground...guess what, the lipstick isn't working on you

[Yurt]

Did Obama mean to call Sarah Palin A Pig?

Selection Votes

Yes; he was being too cute by half 87% 924

No: he just wasn't being careful 13% 141

1,065 votes total

http://poll.pollcode.com/7Vz8_result?v

[manu1959]

:link:

yeah, let's talk about it, you keep talking about it while claiming your moral highground...guess what, the lipstick isn't working on you


you can put a robe and a cross on a liying asshole but they are still a lying asshole......

[mundame]

I understand that facts don't matter and that spin and perception prevail...especially when McCain himself earlier used that very same "lipstick on a pig" idiomatic expression when talking about Hillary's healthcare plan. I never saw any republicans OR democrats huffing and puffing with faux outrage that McCain had called Hillary a pig... odd, don't you think?




Sure, McCain got away with that one. Obama didn't get away with his; I would bet he WAS trying it on as a subconscious communication, but it wasn't nearly subtle enough: everyone got it at once. It IS possible that Obama just used the lipstick comment everyone had heard about as a sort of Freudian slip, since he was used to using that idiom about pigs and lipstick ----- but if so, he should have paid attention to what he was doing.

Personally, I think that both McCain and Obama were fooling around pointing at their female antagonists as pigs with lipstick, and only one of them got caught.

[mundame]

Interesting that Obama's campaign has come right out accusing McCain of swiftboating and making false hoorahs about stuff --------

That's exactly what John Kerry did NOT do, but a lot of people concluded he should have. Reply directly, and hard.

[Little-Acorn]

It is the ideal idiom to use when trying to characterize the McCain campaign's insistence that, somehow, their positions on everything which are all nearly identical to Bush's are somehow CHANGE. It ain't change, and no matter how you dress it up, it STILL ain't change.


Barack Obama made a comment yesterday to the effect that you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig. Coming as it did after Sarah Palin's speech where she desribed herself as a "hockey mom" and then cracked that the only difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull was lipstick, many believed that Obama was referring to palin as a "pig". Indeed, it's hard to imagine his being so tone-deaf as to not spot the comparison.

Whether he meant it that way or not, his comment was far more appropriate than he may have realized... but not for the McCain campaign. Unlike the Obama campaign which has been pushing the same old big-government nanny-state socialism his party has been supporting for more than seventy years, the McCain campaign has been promising actual change from what government has been doing (exploding budgets, massive pork, countless new "entitlements" etc.) for the last few generations. Of course, if a politician actually delivers on his campaign promises, that will be startling - only Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush have come anywhere close, and they missed a number of them, especially Bush. Whether McCain can deliver or not, at least he's promising real change.

But Obama's comment, though aimed at McCain's campaign, actually describes his own to a T, far better than it describes his opponent's. Obama is promising nothing more than what his party has been backing for nearly a century: More government "help", more takeovers of private business, more taxes, more spending, retreat in war, and appeasement rather than defeat of foreign enemies. Calling that "change" is exactly like putting lipstick on a pig: Anybody can see through it, and tell that it's the same old undesireable swine it's always been.

The only difference is, nobody is fooled by the pig, while some of the more gullible Democrats apparently ARE fooled by the "Change" mantra that Obama has stuck onto the same old, tired socialism. Fooled enough to think that there is some difference between Obama's offering and the offerings of the last twenty-something Democrat con artists to run for the office.

Yes, Barack, if you put lipstick on a pig, it doesn't change the fact that it's a pig. Unfortunately for you, we've heard enough of the same noise out of Democrats for the last several decades, to recognize the same old grunting and squealing that's going on under the new "Change" paint.

[namvet]

Obama Accuses McCain Campaign of ‘Swift Boat Politics’


Obama said his comment was meant to compare the policies of McCain to those of President Bush, and was in no way a reference to Republican vice presidential Sarah Palin.

Obama accused the McCain campaign of “lies and phony outrage” and “Swift-boat politics.” He said the “made-up controversy” was “cat nip for the news media.”



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so now he thinks his 1/2 black ass was swift boated. cat nip???? :lol:


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[Mr. P]

her attention grabbing joke does not predate Obama's frequent use - nor politicians in general, including McCain's, frequent use - of that well known idiom. It is the ideal idiom to use when trying to characterize the McCain campaign's insistence that, somehow, their positions on everything which are all nearly identical to Bush's are somehow CHANGE. It ain't change, and no matter how you dress it up, it STILL ain't change.

But, as I said...DO keep talking about it. We've got a global war on terror to debate, the economy is sinking, healthcare sucks, the planet is choking....but let's not talk about any of that...LET'S TALK ABOUT FUCKING LIPSTICK!!!!! It is clear that the republicans know that their "change" bullshit is weak, and they have nothing else.... so, lipstick it is!

LMFAO!!! Yeah bud, let the left keep targeting Palin and ignore these issues.
Good grief you'd think SHE is running for Pres with all the attention she's getting...FROM THE LEFT!

In other words, MFM, you ain't got a case to present, the spears arrows and shots are all coming from yer side.

Nice tap dancin though. :dance:

[Mr. P]

He most certainly DID make it clear. And what he hit the mark with was the accuracy of his idiom and the crowd reacted to that. McCain's message of "change" IS putting lipstick on a pig.

And please tell me, how the hell you KNOW what he "fully intended"????

Please, you aren't as dense as JS..With the "PORK" accusations for Alaska while Palin was Gov. ..it's a no brainer the pig part was directed at her...Do you really think folks are that stupid? Obama does...he's finding out otherwise, how about you?

[manu1959]

Please, you aren't as dense as JS..With the "PORK" accusations for Alaska while Palin was Gov. ..it's a no brainer the pig part was directed at her...Do you really think folks are that stupid? Obama does...he's finding out otherwise, how about you?

yes....they think people are that stupid......they still have the poor and the blacks voting for them in droves....their life gets no better and the dems keep promising it will and they keep voting dem......

i sure hope that changes someday.....

[retiredman]

Please, you aren't as dense as JS..With the "PORK" accusations for Alaska while Palin was Gov. ..it's a no brainer the pig part was directed at her...Do you really think folks are that stupid? Obama does...he's finding out otherwise, how about you?


keep workin' it...I am sure that there are oodles of ignorant morons out there that will by this. McCain used exactly the same idion to describe Hillary's healthcare plan. But DO keep it up...pretty soon, even a portion of the morons will figure out that's all your side has.

McCain screams that he is about change. funny. What is HE going to change? not a fucking thing... and people know it. They hate Bush...they hate what he's done to our country... and they KNOW that McCain is more of the same.... he can scream about how much he is Mr. Change, but HIS lipstick is pretty fucking funny looking!:laugh2:

[manu1959]

keep workin' it...I am sure that there are oodles of ignorant morons out there that will by this. McCain used exactly the same idion to describe Hillary's healthcare plan. But DO keep it up...pretty soon, even a portion of the morons will figure out that's all your side has.

McCain screams that he is about change. funny. What is HE going to change? not a fucking thing... and people know it. They hate Bush...they hate what he's done to our country... and they KNOW that McCain is more of the same.... he can scream about how much he is Mr. Change, but HIS lipstick is pretty fucking funny looking!:laugh2:

so you agree that obama was calling palin a pig.......thank you ... it takes a big man to admit when he is wrong.....

[Yurt]

it is a flat out lie to say mccain will bring the same as bush...

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/19ba2f1c-c03f-4ac2-8cd5-5cf2edb527cf.htm

further, mfm is of course being intellectually dishonest about the whole thing...he voted for obama despite him and hillary being virtually identical on every issue and vote. so a vote for obama is a vote for hillary according to the wonder dunder mfm.

[manu1959]

it is a flat out lie to say mccain will bring the same as bush...

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/19ba2f1c-c03f-4ac2-8cd5-5cf2edb527cf.htm

further, mfm is of course being intellectually dishonest about the whole thing...he voted for obama despite him and hillary being virtually identical on every issue and vote. so a vote for obama is a vote for hillary according to the wonder dunder mfm.

we all know ffm is sexist and voted for the young good looking white guy with the big ears and fake tan...........

[retiredman]

so you agree that obama was calling palin a pig.......thank you ... it takes a big man to admit when he is wrong.....
no. I don't admit any such thing. He used a perfectly appropriate idiom to describe McCain's attempt to paint his campaign as one of change.

[retiredman]

we all know ffm is sexist and voted for the young good looking white guy with the big ears and fake tan...........

I voted for Obama in my caucus rather than Hillary because I felt she would bring out all of the anti-Clinton sentiments that had fed the republican hate machine for nearly two decades. I felt that either one of them would make an infinitely better president than anyone on the republican side.

[manu1959]

I voted for Obama in my caucus rather than Hillary because I felt she would bring out all of the anti-Clinton sentiments that had fed the republican hate machine for nearly two decades. I felt that either one of them would make an infinitely better president than anyone on the republican side.

clinton won in a landslide.....he is the standard bearer and led the financial renisance of american where the rich got poorr and the poor got richer.....

[Yurt]

we all know ffm is sexist and voted for the young good looking white guy with the big ears and fake tan...........

i was thinking of another word as well :coffee:

[retiredman]

clinton won in a landslide.....he is the standard bearer and led the financial renisance of american where the rich got poorr and the poor got richer.....


yeah...the rich HATED the 90's!!!!:lol:

[Mr. P]

keep workin' it...I am sure that there are oodles of ignorant morons out there that will by this. McCain used exactly the same idion to describe Hillary's healthcare plan. But DO keep it up...pretty soon, even a portion of the morons will figure out that's all your side has.

McCain screams that he is about change. funny. What is HE going to change? not a fucking thing... and people know it. They hate Bush...they hate what he's done to our country... and they KNOW that McCain is more of the same.... he can scream about how much he is Mr. Change, but HIS lipstick is pretty fucking funny looking!:laugh2:

Repetition..the lefts mainstay...What'll ya have MFM, grape or cherry cool-aid?

[Noir]

Did McCain not say somthing that was almost exactly the same about H. Clinton? i def memo him sayin about putting lipstick on a pig.

[retiredman]

Repetition..the lefts mainstay...What'll ya have MFM, grape or cherry cool-aid?lipstick lipstick lipstick...

who's repeating?

[hjmick]

Funny thing, it seems as though Obama stole the bulk of his remarks from a Tom Toles cartoon published for days prior:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinion/ssi/images/Toles/c_09052008_520.gif


Link... (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/toles_main.html?name=Toles&date=09052008&type=c)

[Yurt]

Did McCain not say somthing that was almost exactly the same about H. Clinton? i def memo him sayin about putting lipstick on a pig.

just days prior palin mentions lipstick in a speech watched by tens of millions....you do the math

[Noir]

yeah I memo palin sayin that the difference between a hockey mum and some other type of mum was lipstick. But I also memo McCain sayin Clinton was like a pig with lipstick, so when I first herd Obama make his comment it was in return fir McCains comments about Clinton.

[Yurt]

yeah I memo palin sayin that the difference between a hockey mum and some other type of mum was lipstick. But I also memo McCain sayin Clinton was like a pig with lipstick, so when I first herd Obama make his comment it was in return fir McCains comments about Clinton.

sure, you keep fooling yourself...just happens to say it mere days after palin, sure buddy, sure

[Noir]

So the whole problem has come about because palin talked about lipstick a few days ago, ergo would t have been ok for Obama to have said what he said if palin had not joked about lipstick?

[hjmick]

Look, I don't believe that Obama was trying to infer that Palin is a pig. However, there is as much creedence to the idea as there is to New York governor David Paterson's claim that the term "community organizer" is GOP "code" for Black.

[manu1959]

yeah...the rich HATED the 90's!!!!:lol:

is that when the rich got richer and the poor got poorer......

or was it that bill and al created the internet revolution and all the technology that created those high tech jobs for the poor and uneducated ......

does that make them responsible for the dot com crash as well.....the bank failures and forclosures that year .....

[retiredman]

Look, I don't believe that Obama was trying to infer that Palin is a pig. However, there is as much creedence to the idea as there is to New York governor David Paterson's claim that the term "community organizer" is GOP "code" for Black.

but the news media is not going orgasmic about David Paterson, are they?

I think Paterson is loony to say that or think that.

[hjmick]

but the news media is not going orgasmic about David Paterson, are they?

I think Paterson is loony to say that or think that.

You're right, Patterson's comment has yet to register unless one is paying attention.

That being said, this whole lipstick thing is, IMO, much ado about nothing. It's a waste of breath to pretend otherwise.

[retiredman]

You're right, Patterson's comment has yet to register unless one is paying attention.

That being said, this whole lipstick thing is, IMO, much ado about nothing. It's a waste of breath to pretend otherwise.


It is the essence of the McCain campaign strategy.... they KNOW that their CHANGE line is just so much hollow bullshit...they need to make this about personalities and not policies.

[Yurt]

You're right, Patterson's comment has yet to register unless one is paying attention.

That being said, this whole lipstick thing is, IMO, much ado about nothing. It's a waste of breath to pretend otherwise.

his audience sure loved the remark

[retiredman]

his audience sure loved the remark


I would suggest that his audience loved the remark because the idiom was precisely on the mark...but I know that your hatred of Obama would not let you see things that way. That's ok... I forgive you.

[Yurt]

I would suggest that his audience loved the remark because the idiom was precisely on the mark...but I know that your hatred of Obama would not let you see things that way. That's ok... I forgive you.

i did not ask, nor did i need your forgiveness as i do not hate obama. you saying so does not make it true. even if you say it 3, 4, or 5 times... your false and condescending 'forgiveness' is pathetic

his audience knew what he meant...why else would such an innocuous statement get such a large reaction from his audience, if it is just an 'old' saying...

[retiredman]

his audience knew what he meant...why else would such an innocuous statement get such a large reaction from his audience, if it is just an 'old' saying...

it got such a reaction because it was precisely on point. John McCain votes with Bush 90% of the time, and, after he lost his "Obama has no experience" attack with his Palin nomination, his attempt to claim that HE will somehow be a bigf CHANGE from George Bush is nothing more than putting lipstick on a pig...and the audience agreed with Obama. But as I said, your hatred of him will not let you accept that. That's OK.

[Yurt]

it got such a reaction because it was precisely on point. John McCain votes with Bush 90% of the time, and, after he lost his "Obama has no experience" attack with his Palin nomination, his attempt to claim that HE will somehow be a bigf CHANGE from George Bush is nothing more than putting lipstick on a pig...and the audience agreed with Obama. But as I said, your hatred of him will not let you accept that. That's OK.

i don't forgive you for continuing to lie about me as it is clear that you have no remorse for such lies and will continue to lie...you and jesus need to work on that and ask him why you continue to lie about me when you forgave me this week?

i do not hate obama. because i disagree with him and his politics does not mean i hate him. but i understand that your hatred of me causes you special dreams because you can't stop thinking about me and ways to get under my skin. to make dear ol' yurt upset. well dude, you don't phase me anymore, i learned my lesson.

[Immanuel]

it got such a reaction because it was precisely on point. John McCain votes with Bush 90% of the time, and, after he lost his "Obama has no experience" attack with his Palin nomination, his attempt to claim that HE will somehow be a bigf CHANGE from George Bush is nothing more than putting lipstick on a pig...and the audience agreed with Obama. But as I said, your hatred of him will not let you accept that. That's OK.

I think at the very least the audience got the impression that he was insinuating that Sarah Palin was a pig and was alluding to the hockey mom joke. I also think it was his intention that they do so.

It was in poor taste if you ask me.

But then I'm sure some of the Republican comments have been in poor taste as well.

Immie

[retiredman]

i don't forgive you for continuing to lie about me as it is clear that you have no remorse for such lies and will continue to lie...you and jesus need to work on that and ask him why you continue to lie about me when you forgave me this week?

i do not hate obama. because i disagree with him and his politics does not mean i hate him. but i understand that your hatred of me causes you special dreams because you can't stop thinking about me and ways to get under my skin. to make dear ol' yurt upset. well dude, you don't phase me anymore, i learned my lesson.

I honestly believe that you have an extreme distaste for Barack Obama. I think that based upon what you have posted over the past few months.

I forgive you for calling me a liar. I am not going to let your continued attacks on my integrity bother me. My failure to forgive you was hurting me and not you. I will try hard not to backslide and make that mistake again. YOu are who you are and you believe what you want to believe about me and about Obama. I cannot change that. I forgive you seventy times seven times....

[hjmick]

his audience sure loved the remark

You're right, they did. I am of the opinion that some interpreted his remark as a slap at McCain and Palin, believing he was inferring that they were pigs. On the whole, however, I think the majority of the audience found the lipstick reference humorous in light of Palin's joke and the shared word in Obama's address.

I do not agree with Obama's politics, but I do not for one second believe he would directly or indirectly refer to his opponents as pigs. That would be political suicide.

[avatar4321]

You're right, they did. I am of the opinion that some interpreted his remark as a slap at McCain and Palin, believing he was inferring that they were pigs. On the whole, however, I think the majority of the audience found the lipstick reference humorous in light of Palin's joke and the shared word in Obama's address.

I do not agree with Obama's politics, but I do not for one second believe he would directly or indirectly refer to his opponents as pigs. That would be political suicide.

The guy has already supported infanticide, sex ed for kindergarterners, stated that we have 57+ states, gotten his faith wrong, and numerous other things and he hasnt committed political suicide yet. Why the heck would this of all things push him over the edge?

[hjmick]

The guy has already supported infanticide, sex ed for kindergarterners, stated that we have 57+ states, gotten his faith wrong, and numerous other things and he hasnt committed political suicide yet. Why the heck would this of all things push him over the edge?

Because those are policies and verbal faux pas while referring to one's political adversaries as "pigs" is, IMO, something the voting public would and should consider beyond the pale.

[Sitarro]

it got such a reaction because it was precisely on point. John McCain votes with Bush 90% of the time, and, after he lost his "Obama has no experience" attack with his Palin nomination, his attempt to claim that HE will somehow be a bigf CHANGE from George Bush is nothing more than putting lipstick on a pig...and the audience agreed with Obama. But as I said, your hatred of him will not let you accept that. That's OK.

You just really aren't very bright are you cooky? Anyone fawning over that fool in an empty suit isn't smart enough to catch on to anything. That "idiom" was either meant to be a, not so clever bash at Palin or Osama is the idiot memorizer without a shred of common sense we all know him to be. That dolt couldn't think his way out of a paper bag if steered in the right direction, typical of an Ivy League, spoiled shit that memorized just enough to get by knowing the racist clowns on the faculty would give him better than earned grades to prove they weren't, indeed, racist. Also typical of the guilt ridden racist white Dems that will vote for any semi-black clown as long as he has a "D" next to his name......... Charlie Rangel, tax dodger, have you heard of this dimwit?

[Sitarro]

You're right, they did. I am of the opinion that some interpreted his remark as a slap at McCain and Palin, believing he was inferring that they were pigs. On the whole, however, I think the majority of the audience found the lipstick reference humorous in light of Palin's joke and the shared word in Obama's address.

I do not agree with Obama's politics, but I do not for one second believe he would directly or indirectly refer to his opponents as pigs. That would be political suicide.

He, like another memorizer Ivy Leaguer...... Bill Clinton, think they are so much smarter than the typical American that they believe they can play little word games and get away with it....... they can't. The abuse from the left of President Bush for the last eight years will get a serious payback by me and many others. The Dems will not get away with anything, real or imagined. That is the game they started eight years ago and will get it back in spades..... pun kind of intended.

[Sitarro]

Funny thing, it seems as though Obama stole the bulk of his remarks from a Tom Toles cartoon published for days prior:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinion/ssi/images/Toles/c_09052008_520.gif


Link... (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/toles_main.html?name=Toles&date=09052008&type=c)

I just watched his clip and he plagiarized this cartoon almost verbatim....... amazing!

[Immanuel]

The guy has already supported... sex ed for kindergarterners,

Okay, that is something I have not heard. Fill me in on the juicy gossip. :lol:

Immie

[mundame]

You're right, they did. I am of the opinion that some interpreted his remark as a slap at McCain and Palin, believing he was inferring that they were pigs. On the whole, however, I think the majority of the audience found the lipstick reference humorous in light of Palin's joke and the shared word in Obama's address.

I do not agree with Obama's politics, but I do not for one second believe he would directly or indirectly refer to his opponents as pigs. That would be political suicide.


It may BE political suicide. This event has had more legs than I expected; it's still in the headlines. Obama does say tactless stuff to make a point when he thinks he's with an in-group ---- he does it often. The remark about Pennsylvanians with their guns and bitterness in San Fran is a case in point: that has done him no good!

I believe he just did it again, that's all. Faced with a friendly crown, he thinks he can say ANYthing, because that's exactly what he learned in Wright's church for 20 years: it doesn't matter how outrageous, how slanderous, how stupid the things you say are as long as they are red meat to throw to an admiring crowd.

Obama hasn't yet figured out that he can't do that anymore, I think. I think the pig with lipstick and the old fish DID refer to Palin and McCain, and the crowd did indeed love it.

But the crowd wasn't his only audience, and the rest of us don't like it much.

[avatar4321]

Okay, that is something I have not heard. Fill me in on the juicy gossip. :lol:

Immie

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http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-voted-for-sex-ed-for-kindergartners

[hjmick]

I just watched his clip and he plagiarized this cartoon almost verbatim....... amazing!

With virtually no notice by anyone. I guess he figures if Biden can plagiarize the speeches of others, stealing remarks from a political cartoon is no big deal.

[hjmick]

He, like another memorizer Ivy Leaguer...... Bill Clinton, think they are so much smarter than the typical American that they believe they can play little word games and get away with it....... they can't. The abuse from the left of President Bush for the last eight years will get a serious payback by me and many others. The Dems will not get away with anything, real or imagined. That is the game they started eight years ago and will get it back in spades..... pun kind of intended.


It may BE political suicide. This event has had more legs than I expected; it's still in the headlines. Obama does say tactless stuff to make a point when he thinks he's with an in-group ---- he does it often. The remark about Pennsylvanians with their guns and bitterness in San Fran is a case in point: that has done him no good!

I believe he just did it again, that's all. Faced with a friendly crown, he thinks he can say ANYthing, because that's exactly what he learned in Wright's church for 20 years: it doesn't matter how outrageous, how slanderous, how stupid the things you say are as long as they are red meat to throw to an admiring crowd.

Obama hasn't yet figured out that he can't do that anymore, I think. I think the pig with lipstick and the old fish DID refer to Palin and McCain, and the crowd did indeed love it.

But the crowd wasn't his only audience, and the rest of us don't like it much.

Maybe you guys are right, I guess I just find it hard to believe that any politician would blatantly or otherwise refer to his opponents as pigs in an open forum. Perhaps this is wishful thinking on my part.

[retiredman]

Maybe you guys are right, I guess I just find it hard to believe that any politician would blatantly or otherwise refer to his opponents as pigs in an open forum. Perhaps this is wishful thinking on my part.

mick...your initial instincts ae correct. He doesn't mention Palin in that remark... he only mentions the McCain campaign. The idiom is accurately used. The far right merely wants to make this campaign about lipstick, because it they make it about the economy or healthcare or the environment or Iraq or Afghanistan, they lose.

[Yurt]

mick...your initial instincts ae correct. He doesn't mention Palin in that remark... he only mentions the McCain campaign. The idiom is accurately used. The far right merely wants to make this campaign about lipstick, because it they make it about the economy or healthcare or the environment or Iraq or Afghanistan, they lose.

you do not know that for a fact, it is mere supposition on your part.

[mundame]

The far right merely wants to make this campaign about lipstick, because it they make it about the economy or healthcare or the environment or Iraq or Afghanistan, they lose.


Good point, really. The issues are all so hopeless, both candidates being pretty useless generally, that there is nowhere for this campaign to go except into the dirt.


So it did.

[Mr. P]

mick...your initial instincts ae correct. He doesn't mention Palin in that remark... he only mentions the McCain campaign. The idiom is accurately used. The far right merely wants to make this campaign about lipstick, because it they make it about the economy or healthcare or the environment or Iraq or Afghanistan, they lose.

Excuse me for pointing out yer lack of understanding here...but it's the left that have focused on Palin and are diverting the entire focus away from issues. I wonder why?

[manu1959]

Excuse me for pointing out yer lack of understanding here...but it's the left that have focused on Palin and are diverting the entire focus away from issues. I wonder why?

spot on.....ever since palin all the left can talk about is the woman.....

what happend to the issues..........i want him to explain exactly how he will:

fix the economy
fix healthcare
fix education
balance the budget
win the war on terror

not platitudes and sweeping oratory....

but exactly how.....

[Immanuel]

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http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-voted-for-sex-ed-for-kindergartners

Oh my Lord, Did Barack Obama really say, "But it is the right thing to do?", then go on about age appropriate discussions? With kindergartners? You have got to be kidding me.

Okay, so what is the age appropriate discussion about sex for kindergartners? Teacher says,... er sorry, but I had to edit the rest of this post as it was inappropriate for some eyes on the internet.

Thanks for catching me up on that one avatar.

Immie

[Kathianne]

I'm so confused. Abstinence or condoms in kindergarten? Seems 'age appropriate' would be 'good touch', 'bad touch.' Then again, haven't we seen kindergarten children, (always boys), suspended for sexual harassment?