Personal responsibility is dead

[gabosaurus]

I was doing some research on the internet today and came across some appalling stories. What is wrong with people these days? Do they believe the entire country exists for their benefit, and that they are never wrong?
For example:

**A 19-year-old woman picked up for shoplifting. Her excuse was that "no one cares about her." She had two kids by two different guys (both currently in jail). Been fired from two jobs for not showing up for work. But she moans about "no one wanting to help her."

**Two guys were driving motorcycles on the freeway, weaving in and out of traffic at speeds up to 100 mph. One cyclist cut in front of a truck, had to hit his brakes and was smacked dead by the truck. Mom is now suing the trucking company.

**Supposedly "good kid" was heading home from college to visit his family. He stopped at a convenience store at 3 a.m. to meet a crack dealer. The dealer pointed out a police car at the store and said to meet him at an apartment complex. The "good kid" ended up being killed. Police arrested the dealer, who admitted selling the kid crack, but denied killing anyone. So he wasn't charged with it. Parents are outraged.

**Police try to stop a car where the drivers has several outstanding warrants. The car leads police on a chase before turning down a dead end street. Police order driver out of car. Instead, he ducks down out of sight. Police again order him out of car, with his hands up. Driver gets out of car, but instead of putting his hands up, puts them in his pocket and pulls something out. Police shoot him dead.
Item in driver's hand is a cell phone. Mom wants police arrested for murder.

WTF is wrong with people?

[AllieBaba]

This is where the "no accountability" message gets people. It's always somebody else's fault.

[Nukeman]

I was doing some research on the internet today and came across some appalling stories. What is wrong with people these days? Do they believe the entire country exists for their benefit, and that they are never wrong?
For example:

**A 19-year-old woman picked up for shoplifting. Her excuse was that "no one cares about her." She had two kids by two different guys (both currently in jail). Been fired from two jobs for not showing up for work. But she moans about "no one wanting to help her."

**Two guys were driving motorcycles on the freeway, weaving in and out of traffic at speeds up to 100 mph. One cyclist cut in front of a truck, had to hit his brakes and was smacked dead by the truck. Mom is now suing the trucking company.

**Supposedly "good kid" was heading home from college to visit his family. He stopped at a convenience store at 3 a.m. to meet a crack dealer. The dealer pointed out a police car at the store and said to meet him at an apartment complex. The "good kid" ended up being killed. Police arrested the dealer, who admitted selling the kid crack, but denied killing anyone. So he wasn't charged with it. Parents are outraged.

**Police try to stop a car where the drivers has several outstanding warrants. The car leads police on a chase before turning down a dead end street. Police order driver out of car. Instead, he ducks down out of sight. Police again order him out of car, with his hands up. Driver gets out of car, but instead of putting his hands up, puts them in his pocket and pulls something out. Police shoot him dead.
Item in driver's hand is a cell phone. Mom wants police arrested for murder.

WTF is wrong with people?
I will tell you WTF is up with people. We have a whole generation of young adults and YOU fit in the category Gabs (sorry) That were brought up not knowing CONSEQUENCES that means they were told that they were always good and never spanked disciplined or anything else, they were rewarded for "good" behavior and ignored on the bad. Ultimately what happens is these children grow up into young adults and only know that they are "good" and get rewarded for it but they have no idea of what "bad" is since their parents never called them on it. There only different degrees of good and the better they were the more they got but the worse they were they just didn't get the rewards but nothing happened as far as punishment was concerned. Now we have to reap what others have sewn... IMHO

[gabosaurus]

I have no clue what you are talking about. My parents were not like that at all. Perhaps yours were. My mom and dad were very strict disciplinarians. When I was wrong, I was punished. I was raised to know right from wrong.

I currently work with the other side. Parents who kids are always right at home and they are always right at school. A teacher who tells them to stop interrupting class is a "bully." If the kid who doesn't listen in class and refuses to try fails, it is because of a "bad teacher." If a kid rabbit punches another kid in the hall and is thrown out of school, it is the school that is wrong.
Then there are the idiots who quit school because they are "bored." The school is blamed for "not motivating them." Eventually, you have to motivate yourself. You have to take responsibility for your own actions. Not everything is someone else's fault.

[April15]

I was doing some research on the internet today and came across some appalling stories. What is wrong with people these days? Do they believe the entire country exists for their benefit, and that they are never wrong?
For example:

**A 19-year-old woman picked up for shoplifting. Her excuse was that "no one cares about her." She had two kids by two different guys (both currently in jail). Been fired from two jobs for not showing up for work. But she moans about "no one wanting to help her."

**Two guys were driving motorcycles on the freeway, weaving in and out of traffic at speeds up to 100 mph. One cyclist cut in front of a truck, had to hit his brakes and was smacked dead by the truck. Mom is now suing the trucking company.

**Supposedly "good kid" was heading home from college to visit his family. He stopped at a convenience store at 3 a.m. to meet a crack dealer. The dealer pointed out a police car at the store and said to meet him at an apartment complex. The "good kid" ended up being killed. Police arrested the dealer, who admitted selling the kid crack, but denied killing anyone. So he wasn't charged with it. Parents are outraged.

**Police try to stop a car where the drivers has several outstanding warrants. The car leads police on a chase before turning down a dead end street. Police order driver out of car. Instead, he ducks down out of sight. Police again order him out of car, with his hands up. Driver gets out of car, but instead of putting his hands up, puts them in his pocket and pulls something out. Police shoot him dead.
Item in driver's hand is a cell phone. Mom wants police arrested for murder.

WTF is wrong with people?

It is comming from the reagen policy of non accountability. None of the Iran-contra scandal people were held accountable and Ollie couldn't remember where his ass was so people see that that kind of shit works and emulate.

[NightTrain]

I was doing some research on the internet today and came across some appalling stories. What is wrong with people these days? Do they believe the entire country exists for their benefit, and that they are never wrong?
For example:

**A 19-year-old woman picked up for shoplifting. Her excuse was that "no one cares about her." She had two kids by two different guys (both currently in jail). Been fired from two jobs for not showing up for work. But she moans about "no one wanting to help her."

**Two guys were driving motorcycles on the freeway, weaving in and out of traffic at speeds up to 100 mph. One cyclist cut in front of a truck, had to hit his brakes and was smacked dead by the truck. Mom is now suing the trucking company.

**Supposedly "good kid" was heading home from college to visit his family. He stopped at a convenience store at 3 a.m. to meet a crack dealer. The dealer pointed out a police car at the store and said to meet him at an apartment complex. The "good kid" ended up being killed. Police arrested the dealer, who admitted selling the kid crack, but denied killing anyone. So he wasn't charged with it. Parents are outraged.

**Police try to stop a car where the drivers has several outstanding warrants. The car leads police on a chase before turning down a dead end street. Police order driver out of car. Instead, he ducks down out of sight. Police again order him out of car, with his hands up. Driver gets out of car, but instead of putting his hands up, puts them in his pocket and pulls something out. Police shoot him dead.
Item in driver's hand is a cell phone. Mom wants police arrested for murder.

WTF is wrong with people?

WTF is wrong with people?

Have you read your own posts?

[Yurt]

I have no clue what you are talking about. My parents were not like that at all. Perhaps yours were. My mom and dad were very strict disciplinarians. When I was wrong, I was punished. I was raised to know right from wrong.

I currently work with the other side. Parents who kids are always right at home and they are always right at school. A teacher who tells them to stop interrupting class is a "bully." If the kid who doesn't listen in class and refuses to try fails, it is because of a "bad teacher." If a kid rabbit punches another kid in the hall and is thrown out of school, it is the school that is wrong.
Then there are the idiots who quit school because they are "bored." The school is blamed for "not motivating them." Eventually, you have to motivate yourself. You have to take responsibility for your own actions. Not everything is someone else's fault.

so then...you do not judge palin's daughter getting pregnant on the actions of her mother, but lay the responsibility solely at palin's daughter feet?

and april15...good lord dude, its been 20 years, if you don't like it, leave, go someone where like russia

[Mr. P]

I was doing some research on the internet today and came across some appalling stories. What is wrong with people these days? Do they believe the entire country exists for their benefit, and that they are never wrong?
For example:

**A 19-year-old woman picked up for shoplifting. Her excuse was that "no one cares about her." She had two kids by two different guys (both currently in jail). Been fired from two jobs for not showing up for work. But she moans about "no one wanting to help her."

**Two guys were driving motorcycles on the freeway, weaving in and out of traffic at speeds up to 100 mph. One cyclist cut in front of a truck, had to hit his brakes and was smacked dead by the truck. Mom is now suing the trucking company.

**Supposedly "good kid" was heading home from college to visit his family. He stopped at a convenience store at 3 a.m. to meet a crack dealer. The dealer pointed out a police car at the store and said to meet him at an apartment complex. The "good kid" ended up being killed. Police arrested the dealer, who admitted selling the kid crack, but denied killing anyone. So he wasn't charged with it. Parents are outraged.

**Police try to stop a car where the drivers has several outstanding warrants. The car leads police on a chase before turning down a dead end street. Police order driver out of car. Instead, he ducks down out of sight. Police again order him out of car, with his hands up. Driver gets out of car, but instead of putting his hands up, puts them in his pocket and pulls something out. Police shoot him dead.
Item in driver's hand is a cell phone. Mom wants police arrested for murder.

WTF is wrong with people?

In the realm of Liberalism, there is no personal responsibility...

[CatalystOfChaos]

Liberals that I know do believe in some forms of personal responsbility.

It's your responsibility to make sure that others who do bad things that may influence you are negated.

It's your responsibility to contribute to programs that help conform the world to your image.

Means to an end in some ways.

My girlfriend is fairly liberal, but she also believes in capital punishment rather firmly as well as other personal responsibility issues.

Liberal is a wide branching, huge term.

[actsnoblemartin]

excellent thread

[Yurt]

Liberals that I know do believe in some forms of personal responsbility.

It's your responsibility to make sure that others who do bad things that may influence you are negated.

It's your responsibility to contribute to programs that help conform the world to your image.

Means to an end in some ways.

My girlfriend is fairly liberal, but she also believes in capital punishment rather firmly as well as other personal responsibility issues.

Liberal is a wide branching, huge term.

only you can prevent the spread of the 'wide branching' liberalism fungus

[KitchenKitten99]

Careful Gabby... you're starting to sound like a conservative...

Maybe this place is starting to rub off on you?

[Nukeman]

I have no clue what you are talking about. My parents were not like that at all. Perhaps yours were. My mom and dad were very strict disciplinarians. When I was wrong, I was punished. I was raised to know right from wrong.
I currently work with the other side. Parents who kids are always right at home and they are always right at school. A teacher who tells them to stop interrupting class is a "bully." If the kid who doesn't listen in class and refuses to try fails, it is because of a "bad teacher." If a kid rabbit punches another kid in the hall and is thrown out of school, it is the school that is wrong.
Then there are the idiots who quit school because they are "bored." The school is blamed for "not motivating them." Eventually, you have to motivate yourself. You have to take responsibility for your own actions. Not everything is someone else's fault.As were most on this board Gabs, that would be why we can see the fault in the "NO CONSEQUENCES" gerneration. You do fall into that generation due to your AGE. That doesn't mean you are one of those young adults but you "fall into that generation" I agree with everything you posted above and if you took the time to read my post you would have noticed we said essentialy the same thing!

It barrels down to the "child" always being right regardless of who blames them, parents always saying their "little angel" wouldn't do that or being in complete denial of what a little jerk their child is.

YOU MUST HAVE CONSEGUENCES FOR YOUR ACTIONS, without them nothing is ever "bad"

[crin63]

HOLD THE PHONE, there must be some icicles forming in hell. Gabs said something I think I agree with. Hang on allow me to clean my glasses and re-read the post. It's become such a knee jerk reaction to disagree with her that this is a little disorienting.

I'm sure she will completely contradict it in her next political post about giveaways or some other socialist plan but for now. Although I am very hesitant to say it because I must've missed something.

Well Done Gabs!!

OW, that hurt.

[darin]

**A 19-year-old woman picked up for shoplifting. Her excuse was that "no one cares about her." She had two kids by two different guys (both currently in jail). Been fired from two jobs for not showing up for work. But she moans about "no one wanting to help her."

That's not an excuse - that's just a woman whining about her life.



**Two guys were driving motorcycles on the freeway, weaving in and out of traffic at speeds up to 100 mph. One cyclist cut in front of a truck, had to hit his brakes and was smacked dead by the truck. Mom is now suing the trucking company.


So...nobody knows how fast they were going - so people just guess they were speeding. Perhaps they were moving to the left-lane to pass, then back over to the right lane for cruising. I know I've been yelled at for 'weaving in and out' for simply following the law. Maybe the truck driver was mad at the Bikes and was following too closely and hit the guy thru neglect?


**Supposedly "good kid" was heading home from college to visit his family. He stopped at a convenience store at 3 a.m. to meet a crack dealer. The dealer pointed out a police car at the store and said to meet him at an apartment complex. The "good kid" ended up being killed. Police arrested the dealer, who admitted selling the kid crack, but denied killing anyone. So he wasn't charged with it. Parents are outraged.


I too would be outraged if my kid was killed in a drug deal gone bad. The dealer wasn't charged with what? Murder? Was he charged in selling the drugs?


**Police try to stop a car where the drivers has several outstanding warrants. The car leads police on a chase before turning down a dead end street. Police order driver out of car. Instead, he ducks down out of sight. Police again order him out of car, with his hands up. Driver gets out of car, but instead of putting his hands up, puts them in his pocket and pulls something out. Police shoot him dead.
Item in driver's hand is a cell phone. Mom wants police arrested for murder.



Similar story happened in seattle a couple years ago. 13? y/o was shot whipping out a cell phone when asked to put his hands on his head. Kid was black; so OBVIOUSLY it was racism and profiling on the part of the cops...(sigh)... :(

Investigation ensued. Cops were cleared of wrong doing, thankfully, IIRC

[avatar4321]

For atleast the last forty years we have had people tell us that no matter what we do its not our fault and the government will take care of us. And you wonder why personal responsibility is dead?

We just had two quasi private lending firms get bailed out by the tax payers despite the fact that they have been doing shady business dealings. So instead of them facing the consequences of their actions, they being given money that could be much more effectively used by the tax payers. And you wonder why personal responsibility is dead?

We have corrupt politician, lawyers, police. We have celebrities constantly doing unconscionable things. None of them face the consequences of their actions. And you wonder why personal responsibility is dead?

And then we get a public figure who actually fights this crap daily and you attack her daughter. And you wonder why our society is all screwed up.

[Yurt]

For atleast the last forty years we have had people tell us that no matter what we do its not our fault and the government will take care of us. And you wonder why personal responsibility is dead?

We just had two quasi private lending firms get bailed out by the tax payers despite the fact that they have been doing shady business dealings. So instead of them facing the consequences of their actions, they being given money that could be much more effectively used by the tax payers. And you wonder why personal responsibility is dead?

We have corrupt politician, lawyers, police. We have celebrities constantly doing unconscionable things. None of them face the consequences of their actions. And you wonder why personal responsibility is dead?

And then we get a public figure who actually fights this crap daily and you attack her daughter. And you wonder why our society is all screwed up.

:clap:

[emmett]

There may be hope for you yet gabby!

The personal responsability issues that you brought up are but a pimple on the ass of the problem. It stems however from a general attitude about accountability.

We are not held accountable for our actions! Government is the biggest contributor to this cancer. It all started with "No Corporal Punishment". When I was in the first grade I was paddled by Mrs. Burris. I will remember it always because it was the only time I was ever paddled or spanked in my life.

I grew up with grandparents. They didn't spank me. I probably should have been spanked a time or two (maybe more), but my grandma wouldn't hear of it. I basically did whatever I wanted with regard to the fact that my grandparents were elderly and i never wanted to hurt my grandma's feelings. At school however I was a clown! In first grade, Mrs. Burris, a 65 year old first grade teacher set the perimiters for me however when on a bright shiny spring morning, she paddled me for being an asshole. I assume this because I don't actually remember exactly what i did. I just remember the paddling. It was one of those bolo paddles and it stung like shit!

I do also recall my being aware of the fact that you minded when you were in her classroom. She didn't play boy! That woman would kick your ass. Today Mrs. burris would be fired, called before the Board of Education and have her license to teach taken away or even charged with a crime. We wonder why ten year olds are being hauled away in handcuffs from school in inner cities. Geeze!!!!!

It goes on. Today our government tells us what is good for us. McDonald's is chastized for serving hamburgers, products are regulated for our safety and rule after rule are written to protect us from ourselves. We don't have to make any decisions, government can make them for us. When it reduces us to smitherines we simply depend on government to assist us. If we lose our job, we get unemployment. If we can't get a job, we can go to the Labor department and they will assist us. Illigitamate children of irresponsible mothers can get Aid, stamps and medical care. All at the expense of those who are responsible and prosper.

All this leads to a general attitude of irresponsibility. Hence, we act that way! Someone else has to be accountable for our actions. It is what we have been taught. It is deguised as compassion.

The mother who wished to hold the police accountable for the actions of her dumb ass kid who was killed bt the police needs only look in the mirror to find the reason her son was killed.

Our children are raised in homes with no fathers because government educates us that the illigitamate children will be cared for. "Freedom to choose" promotes an attitude disregarding abstinence and leads to out of sight teen pregnancy. Irresponsible parenting, X-box babysitters and the me me me society we live in promotes the self centeredness parents exhibit.

Take a ride around your neighborhood and see how many dads are playing catch with their kids right now. I know the answer.......not many! Ride through a small town and look at the old baseball field backstops.......now a trellis for ivy and weeds to grow on. No community level input anymore. Mom and Pop businesses are skeletonized and the buildings lay dormant or caving in because of our failure as communities to exercise our own government. People grow up and move to the city, they continue to grow to stitch busting proportions while the life of what "used" to be the average American erodes around us. Then we ask ourselves what happened to personal responsibility?

So my answer to you is this my dear (and thank you for your bringing it up, I love to talk about it), it is the way we teach our children!!!!!!!

I must also point out that you have in the past posted in direct conflict to this opinion posted here. Support of abortion, government entitlements and other posts that made excuses for people who didn't "step up to the plate". I have been on opposite sides with you many times especially your naming John McCain a traitor. I wish the hell you would stop that. But you are entitled to your opinion just like a mother of illigitamite children are "entitled" to your tax dollars to feed them. It does not make it right though.

Yes, Miss Gab, there is great hope for you. Frankly I must confess as well that I'm starting to like you. Dimented as some of your actions are, I wonder if it isn't just the attention you are seeking maybe. Your condemnation of Sarah Palin's decision to influence her daughter to have a child when conceived out of wedlock was tacky but I wonder if you really meant it. I mean really felt it or was it just politically motivated. I think the later.

Personal Responsability is one the prerequisite pieces of platform for a Libertarian. Being accountable for ones actions should not be compromised by government nor any other entity that forces us to adhere to a standard not our own. It's wrong and it creates dopeheads who run from cops and get shot for reaching in their pockets. It's that simple!

[crin63]

Truth be told, I gave her positive reps for this post. She deserved it.

[Abbey Marie]

Gabby: :thumb: