McCain Picked Mrs. Wasilla Solely Because She's Hot

[OCA]

Here is what Johnny Lib really thinks of the office of VP and in reality he's right, it don't mean shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apdFC-vh6Ng

[Mr. P]

Oh GOD NOT YOU TOO! That's years old. So what.

[OCA]

Oh GOD NOT YOU TOO! That's years old. So what.

So you think he thinks more highly of the office now? So highly that he'd give it to a political neophyte with zero experience?

BTW, how is everyone here who has been bashing Osama on his lack of experience gonna reconcile that with the fact that this chick has less experience?

Oh don't say she has more, I delved into that, she don't.

[Mr. P]

So you think he thinks more highly of the office now? So highly that he'd give it to a political neophyte with zero experience?

BTW, how is everyone here who has been bashing Osama on his lack of experience gonna reconcile that with the fact that this chick has less experience?

Oh don't say she has more, I delved into that, she don't.
She has more "executive" experience than any of the other three, period. That's a fact.

[OCA]

She has more "executive" experience than any of the other three, period. That's a fact.


Of Alaska.............................ROTFLMFAO!

[stephanie]

you are free to not like her and think she has no experience..

just as we are free to think otherwise..

so we will have to agree to disagree..

now what state do you live in, so I can run it down some..:coffee:

[manu1959]

So you think he thinks more highly of the office now? So highly that he'd give it to a political neophyte with zero experience?

BTW, how is everyone here who has been bashing Osama on his lack of experience gonna reconcile that with the fact that this chick has less experience?

Oh don't say she has more, I delved into that, she don't.

how about this.....biden has 30 years of doing nothing.....mccain 26.....obama 3.......she has acomplished more domestically, internationally and economiccaly in her state in less time than the other three combined ....

go ahead tell me what biden did in his first year as senator.....mccain.....obama.....

[theHawk]

I would dispute that she has less experience than Obama, it looks to me like she has more.

Nonetheless, I'd take a staunch conservative with little or no experience over a shitbag liberal with 30 years experience.

[OCA]

you are free to not like her and think she has no experience..

just as we are free to think otherwise..

so we will have to agree to disagree..

now what state do you live in, so I can run it down some..:coffee:

Where did I run down your state? It is simply a fact that there are corporations in America with more employees than the population of Alaska, should we nominate the owner of Krispy Kreme?

It don't matter though, John McCain is a liberal today, he'll be a liberal tommorrow and he'll be a liberal on that Tuesday in November, how does that make you feel as a conservative Republican? How does it make you feel to have a liberal(McCain) Vs a marxist(Osama)?

Does it make you proud to be an American?

[OCA]

how about this.....biden has 30 years of doing nothing.....mccain 26.....obama 3.......she has acomplished more domestically, internationally and economiccaly in her state in less time than the other three combined ....

go ahead tell me what biden did in his first year as senator.....mccain.....obama.....

Care to document this progress in Alaska? I think the pipeline was there before her but correct me if i'm wrong.

You and I think these 3 have done nothing because we disagree with their work, doesn't mean they haven't done anything. You are letting your ideology cloud your "give credit where credit is due" meter.

[OCA]

I would dispute that she has less experience than Obama, it looks to me like she has more.

Nonetheless, I'd take a staunch conservative with little or no experience over a shitbag liberal with 30 years experience.

Really Hawk it don't matter, the office of VP is solely ceremonial with little or no influence on policy.

John McCain is a shitbag liberal, how does that grab you?

[stephanie]

Where did I run down your state? It is simply a fact that there are corporations in America with more employees than the population of Alaska, should we nominate the owner of Krispy Kreme?

It don't matter though, John McCain is a liberal today, he'll be a liberal tomorrow and he'll be a liberal on that Tuesday in November, how does that make you feel as a conservative Republican? How does it make you feel to have a liberal(McCain) Vs a marxist(Osama)?

Does it make you proud to be an American?

I would rather have to deal with the liberal McCain and hope we can knock some sense into him..than allow the Marxist Obambam and his commie cronies take over and ruin this country..

well just have to see, I guess..

[manu1959]

Where did I run down your state? It is simply a fact that there are corporations in America with more employees than the population of Alaska, should we nominate the owner of Krispy Kreme?

It don't matter though, John McCain is a liberal today, he'll be a liberal tommorrow and he'll be a liberal on that Tuesday in November, how does that make you feel as a conservative Republican? How does it make you feel to have a liberal(McCain) Vs a marxist(Osama)?

Does it make you proud to be an American?

krispy kreme virtually failed due to a power business plan and the ceo was fired.....so now that would be a bad choice......

mccain chosen his successor for 12 ....... is it really that hard to see ..... he picked the future of the party......in her short tenure she has proven herself to be an adept negotiated both with domestic and international opponents.....she has proven her self to be a social conservative....she has proven herself to be economically conservative and is anti pork....

[manu1959]

Care to document this progress in Alaska? I think the pipeline was there before her but correct me if i'm wrong.

You and I think these 3 have done nothing because we disagree with their work, doesn't mean they haven't done anything. You are letting your ideology cloud your "give credit where credit is due" meter.

it is a new pipes line not the one that is there.....

then tell me in each of their first 2 years in the senate give me one thing to rival her accomplishments .....

[OCA]

I would rather have to deal with the liberal McCain and hope we can knock some sense into him..than allow the Marxist Obambam and his commie cronies take over and ruin this country..

well just have to see, I guess..

How will you knock sense into him? He himself has already stated that if by some miracle he's elected he will waste not time jumping in bed with Nancy and Harry and the Demo congress, he ain't gonna move to the right, only farther left.

[OCA]

it is a new pipes line not the one that is there.....

then tell me in each of their first 2 years in the senate give me one thing to rival her accomplishments .....

No because I don't know of any, rather I would like to see these "accomplishments of hers" other than her stunning freakin legs.

[stephanie]

How will you knock sense into him? He himself has already stated that if by some miracle he's elected he will waste not time jumping in bed with Nancy and Harry and the Demo congress, he ain't gonna move to the right, only farther left.

If enough people would get off their lazy asses and get involved in their government, we might be able to get McCain to obey..

that will be a big if..but I would rather try and deal with McCain, then allow the commies to take over..

[manu1959]

No because I don't know of any, rather I would like to see these "accomplishments of hers" other than her stunning freakin legs.

i gave you one.....go find their first one.....you are the one claim they are more experienced..... gave youher north slope pipeline .....

go find biden's.....obama's......mccain's......should be easy.....

[OCA]

i gave you one.....go find their first one.....you are the one claim they are more experienced..... gave youher north slope pipeline .....

go find biden's.....obama's......mccain's......should be easy.....

Because you said "pipeline" makes it true? Sorry, your gonna have to document it.

30 years of public service, whether you agree with that service or not makes them more experienced, certainly on a foriegn policy level...........not that she would have any policy influence at all other than to decide which dress to wear to a funeral.

[OCA]

If enough people would get off their lazy asses and get involved in their government

Sorry Steph but that ship has sailed, like it or not America is a "what kind of free shit can you give me" society today. Nobody gives a rat's ass that they are being backdoor'd by politicians on both sides of the aisle everyday.

[stephanie]

Well...I think she is smart enough to know...you only wear black to a funeral..:rolleyes::slap:

[stephanie]

Sorry Steph but that ship has sailed, like it or not America is a "what kind of free shit can you give me" society today. Nobody gives a rat's ass that they are being backdoor'd by politicians on both sides of the aisle everyday.

I hear what your saying Oca, and I feel the same way..

I guess I'm still holding out some hope..

it will be a sad day for us all..

[manu1959]

Because you said "pipeline" makes it true? Sorry, your gonna have to document it.

30 years of public service, whether you agree with that service or not makes them more experienced, certainly on a foriegn policy level...........not that she would have any policy influence at all other than to decide which dress to wear to a funeral.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=palin+negotiates+north+slope+natural+gas+pipelin e

so time in the legislative branch of government passing bills recomending that someone do something but not actually doing anything makes one qualified to run the executive branch.....

she has actually held office in an executive branch of government .....

the answer for the other three is ...no i have not served in the executive branch .....

this is why govs tend to get elected pres and senators don't.....

running a state is hard.....bitching and complaining about the pres and siphoning off tax funds to fund state programs is not something to be admired.....

[OCA]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=palin+negotiates+north+slope+natural+gas+pipelin e

so time in the legislative branch of government passing bills recomending that someone do something but not actually doing anything makes one qualified to run the executive branch.....

she has actually held office in an executive branch of government .....

the answer for the other three is ...no i have not served in the executive branch .....

this is why govs tend to get elected pres and senators don't.....

running a state is hard.....bitching and complaining about the pres and siphoning off tax funds to fund state programs is not something to be admired.....

So here is a thought for ya, why don't you propose a new amendment making Senators ineligible for the office of president? Oh BTW, the next pres will be a senator and a liberal and if by some miracle McCain gets elected it won't matter if Mrs. Wasilla is a conervative, liberal or communist because vp has zero power or influence, thats why i've been laughing my ass off the last few days at so-called "conservatives" reacting with glee over this nomination........it don't mean shit.

But damn she's a serious MILF, i'd watch state funerals just so I could see her every once in a while.

[midcan5]

So you think he thinks more highly of the office now? So highly that he'd give it to a political neophyte with zero experience?

BTW, how is everyone here who has been bashing Osama on his lack of experience gonna reconcile that with the fact that this chick has less experience?

Oh don't say she has more, I delved into that, she don't.

Wow, thanks for honest comment.

[Mr. P]

Of Alaska.............................ROTFLMFAO!

Yes, Alaska. It's still a fact, she alone has executive experience.
The other three have been no more than a voice in a collective body without individual responsibility for any group decisions. Pretty cushy job really and they don't have to act/vote if they don't want to...unlike a Governor.

This no experience argument is weak regarding her compared to the other three.

[-Cp]

Where did I run down your state? It is simply a fact that there are corporations in America with more employees than the population of Alaska,


Really? Can you name me a company (other than the United States Postal Service) that has more than 683,478 employees?

Additionally, Dick Cheney is from Wyoming, right? It has a smaller population at 522,830 people - does that mean he's not qualified?

And WTH does a state's population have to do with the Governer's role of said state and their executive role?

[Mr. P]

So here is a thought for ya, why don't you propose a new amendment making Senators ineligible for the office of president? Oh BTW, the next pres will be a senator and a liberal and if by some miracle McCain gets elected it won't matter if Mrs. Wasilla is a conervative, liberal or communist because vp has zero power or influence, thats why i've been laughing my ass off the last few days at so-called "conservatives" reacting with glee over this nomination........it don't mean shit.

But damn she's a serious MILF, i'd watch state funerals just so I could see her every once in a while.

That sure isn't what the left has be saying for 8 years about the current VP.:poke:

[Little-Acorn]

Don't feed the trolls.

Please.

[Missileman]

Because you said "pipeline" makes it true? Sorry, your gonna have to document it.

30 years of public service, whether you agree with that service or not makes them more experienced, certainly on a foriegn policy level...........not that she would have any policy influence at all other than to decide which dress to wear to a funeral.

30 years working in the government doesn't make one qualified to run it.

[OCA]

30 years working in the government doesn't make one qualified to run it.

Then lets get rid of congress if only EXECUTIVE experience counts.

[Dilloduck]

Then lets get rid of congress if only EXECUTIVE experience counts.

AMEN brother !!!!!!!!!!:dance:

[OCA]

Don't feed the trolls.

Please.


LMFAO!:laugh2:

[OCA]

AMEN brother !!!!!!!!!!:dance:

The funny thing though is the leader of the team this MILF is joining is one of these no experience Senators they are referring to, its hypocricy at its finest.

[Missileman]

Then lets get rid of congress if only EXECUTIVE experience counts.

No, let's promote all the workers in every company to CEO...after all, simply working in the joint makes everyone qualified...right? No special skills required to actually run things...right? I'll bet you think every soldier should be a general too...right?

[Dilloduck]

The funny thing though is the leader of the team this MILF is joining is one of these no experience Senators they are referring to, its hypocricy at its finest.

ya---aint' it great--both parties being exposed for the BS slingers that they are !!

[OCA]

Really? Can you name me a company (other than the United States Postal Service) that has more than 683,478 employees?

Additionally, Dick Cheney is from Wyoming, right? It has a smaller population at 522,830 people - does that mean he's not qualified?

And WTH does a state's population have to do with the Governer's role of said state and their executive role?

Oh sure he was qualified to take over a do nothing meaningless position like the VP slot and so is she but.........................if she has to assume the Oval Office lets just hope she isn't mentopausal at the time because no experience and mentopause would be a bad combo.

[OCA]

No, let's promote all the workers in every company to CEO...after all, simply working in the joint makes everyone qualified...right? No special skills required to actually run things...right? I'll bet you think every soldier should be a general too...right?

You are actually helping to prove my point......thanks.

[Missileman]

You are actually helping to prove my point......thanks.

If only you actually had one...:poke:

[Mr. P]

Oh sure he was qualified to take over a do nothing meaningless position like the VP slot and so is she but.........................if she has to assume the Oval Office lets just hope she isn't mentopausal at the time because no experience and mentopause would be a bad combo.

Yep, for Iran and Russia and China..."Don't fuck with me I'm in menopause and I HAVE NUCS!".

Kinda like how JFK backed down Russia during the Cuban missile crisis.

[manu1959]

So here is a thought for ya, why don't you propose a new amendment making Senators ineligible for the office of president? Oh BTW, the next pres will be a senator and a liberal and if by some miracle McCain gets elected it won't matter if Mrs. Wasilla is a conervative, liberal or communist because vp has zero power or influence, thats why i've been laughing my ass off the last few days at so-called "conservatives" reacting with glee over this nomination........it don't mean shit.

But damn she's a serious MILF, i'd watch state funerals just so I could see her every once in a while.

hey dude you are the one that predicted hillary would win.....

you really don't see the political genius in this pick......

mccain is a one term pres.....

he is just the guy to take on obama the polls prov it is a dead heat.....

so obama picks an olde man to offset mccain....

so if mccain wins he will need a vp to run for pres against either hillary or obama ..... palin is olde school gop.....

[theHawk]

Really Hawk it don't matter, the office of VP is solely ceremonial with little or no influence on policy.

John McCain is a shitbag liberal, how does that grab you?

John McCain has always been pro-military and takes a tough stand on foreign policy, which is the most important trait for a President. The President isn't a dictator who can force whatever domestic policy he wants, so all the talk about where they stand on the issues, especially on the economy is a moot point. He was always been pro-life and will appoint conservative judges. Although he has been liberal on issues like illegal immigration he does not qualify as a shitbag liberal. True liberals piss on their country and military every chance they get (as Obama has) and push forward their socialist/communist domestic policies (as Obama is).

[Nuc]

But damn she's a serious MILF, i'd watch state funerals just so I could see her every once in a while.

And not just an ordinary MILF. :lol: She's a special MILFBR

Mother I'd like to fuck and breed retards.

[Abbey Marie]

John McCain has always been pro-military and takes a tough stand on foreign policy, which is the most important trait for a President. The President isn't a dictator who can force whatever domestic policy he wants, so all the talk about where they stand on the issues, especially on the economy is a moot point. He was always been pro-life and will appoint conservative judges. Although he has been liberal on issues like illegal immigration he does not qualify as a shitbag liberal. True liberals piss on their country and military every chance they get (as Obama has) and push forward their socialist/communist domestic policies (as Obama is).

:clap: I really love this post, Hawk. You highlight several excellent points that very few people even think about. In those areas where it really counts, where a difference can be made as Prez, McCain is experienced and conservative. And Obama is assuredly not.

[Missileman]

And not just an ordinary MILF. :lol: She's a special MILFBR

Mother I'd like to fuck and breed retards.

With you as the sperm donor I imagine the risk of Downs Syndrome is multiplied a hundred fold. :poke:

[stephanie]

And not just an ordinary MILF. :lol: She's a special MILFBR

Mother I'd like to fuck and breed retards.

aww. the nucie is trying to be cute, but failed...but he did succeed in showing how stupid he was..good job..

[krisy]

And not just an ordinary MILF. :lol: She's a special MILFBR

Mother I'd like to fuck and breed retards.


Wow. How compassionate.

What a perfectly shitbag thing to say

[PostmodernProphet]

And not just an ordinary MILF. :lol: She's a special MILFBR

Mother I'd like to fuck and breed retards.

sorry kid....I have only neg repped a half dozen times since I got here, but that one qualified.....

[Abbey Marie]

sorry kid....I have only neg repped a half dozen times since I got here, but that one qualified.....

You are not the only one. Some things just are too disgusting to leave alone.

[emmett]

GOOD THING I'M NOT A MODERATOR! I WOULD DO THE RESPONSIBLE THING AND THAT CREEP WOULD BE BANNED FOR LIFE. This is the Elections thread you know. I can't see that this type of entry belonged anywhere except in the Steel Cage or Lounge.

[emmett]

With you as the sperm donor I imagine the risk of Downs Syndrome is multiplied a hundred fold. :poke:



You stold my joke man! This ain't cool.

[Nuc]

You guys didn't like my comment, which I made just to see how easy it would be to tweak the right wing fanatics here.

Nevertheless it illustrates a valid point. The Palin family has a serious problem using birth control responsibly. Is this anybody's business? No. Except that if she's the VP or god forbid the President she will continue to uphold the idiotic abstinence only policy of Republican birth control.

When clearly it hasn't worked in her and her daughter's case. And they should have figured something out because they're causing themselves and the children a lot of problems.

The right wingers here like to lambaste other Americans for out of wedlock pregnancy or burdening the system with health care demands such as those presented by special needs kids. Now they're putting this family up on a pedestal, literally? Ridiculous.

[Mr. P]

You guys didn't like my comment, which I made just to see how easy it would be to tweak the right wing fanatics here.

Nevertheless it illustrates a valid point. The Palin family has a serious problem using birth control responsibly. Is this anybody's business? No. Except that if she's the VP or god forbid the President she will continue to uphold the idiotic abstinence only policy of Republican birth control.

When clearly it hasn't worked in her and her daughter's case. And they should have figured something out because they're causing themselves and the children a lot of problems.

The right wingers here like to lambaste other Americans for out of wedlock pregnancy or burdening the system with health care demands such as those presented by special needs kids. Now they're putting this family up on a pedestal, literally? Ridiculous.

Was it you that's a US citizen? I forget.

[Yurt]

You guys didn't like my comment, which I made just to see how easy it would be to tweak the right wing fanatics here.

Nevertheless it illustrates a valid point. The Palin family has a serious problem using birth control responsibly. Is this anybody's business? No. Except that if she's the VP or god forbid the President she will continue to uphold the idiotic abstinence only policy of Republican birth control.

When clearly it hasn't worked in her and her daughter's case. And they should have figured something out because they're causing themselves and the children a lot of problems.

The right wingers here like to lambaste other Americans for out of wedlock pregnancy or burdening the system with health care demands such as those presented by special needs kids. Now they're putting this family up on a pedestal, literally? Ridiculous.

you are a fucking asshole. my brother has a slight case of downs, my mother's first child. so fuck you prick.

and because one family or mother has an ideal and life happens, that should destroy all hope of the ideal? the family or mother should fuck it all because life happens? yes or no big boy. i bet you will not answer this....

[stephanie]

You guys didn't like my comment, which I made just to see how easy it would be to tweak the right wing fanatics here.

Nevertheless it illustrates a valid point. The Palin family has a serious problem using birth control responsibly. Is this anybody's business? No. Except that if she's the VP or god forbid the President she will continue to uphold the idiotic abstinence only policy of Republican birth control.

When clearly it hasn't worked in her and her daughter's case. And they should have figured something out because they're causing themselves and the children a lot of problems.

The right wingers here like to lambaste other Americans for out of wedlock pregnancy or burdening the system with health care demands such as those presented by special needs kids. Now they're putting this family up on a pedestal, literally? Ridiculous.

you and your argument are full of it..
nobody I know lambaste anyone for out of wedlock pregnancy..or for having special needs children..

:cuckoo:

[Nuc]

you are a fucking asshole. my brother has a slight case of downs, my mother's first child. so fuck you prick.

and because one family or mother has an ideal and life happens, that should destroy all hope of the ideal? the family or mother should fuck it all because life happens? yes or no big boy. i bet you will not answer this....

Sure I'll answer it. I think family stuff is private. However the Republicans have a policy of abstinence only birth control, correct? And they try to impose this philosophy anywhere they can. These events prove that is a flawed theory. This family is an advertisement for that.

[Yurt]

Sure I'll answer it. I think family stuff is private. However the Republicans have a policy of abstinence only birth control, correct? And they try to impose this philosophy anywhere they can. These events prove that is a flawed theory. This family is an advertisement for that.

thank you for answering.

abstinence only theory does not have anything to do with palin's child or her beliefs.



Nevertheless it illustrates a valid point. The Palin family has a serious problem using birth control responsibly. Is this anybody's business? No. Except that if she's the VP or god forbid the President she will continue to uphold the idiotic abstinence only policy of Republican birth control.

When clearly it hasn't worked in her and her daughter's case. And they should have figured something out because they're causing themselves and the children a lot of problems.

The right wingers here like to lambaste other Americans for out of wedlock pregnancy or burdening the system with health care demands such as those presented by special needs kids. Now they're putting this family up on a pedestal, literally? Ridiculous.

you prick, assuming to judge another on birth control. and you made it YOUR business moron. how has it not worked out? come on liberal....come on....are you saying a child of hers is a burden? fuck you. you vote to put people in more need on the government tit everyday. and you quetion this?

so what it is? you support this family or you don't.....

[Nuc]

thank you for answering.

abstinence only theory does not have anything to do with palin's child or her beliefs.
.

Sure it does. She's a Republican and they try to shove abstinence down everybody's throats.




Don't know what you're talking about. I am against welfare.

[QUOTE=Yurt;290552]
so what it is? you support this family or you don't.....

Seems like a nice family if a bit out of control. Don't think she is qualified to be President.

[Sitarro]

Sure it does. She's a Republican and they try to shove abstinence down everybody's throats.



Don't know what you're talking about. I am against welfare.



Seems like a nice family if a bit out of control. Don't think she is qualified to be President.

What qualifies Barack Hussein Osama for President? Seriously?

[Nuc]

What qualifies Barack Hussein Osama for President? Seriously?

Not much but the public chose him for nominee and might choose him for President.

One person chose Palin for nominee and she could very well end up as President. That's bad.

[Kathianne]

Not much but the public chose him for nominee and might choose him for President.

One person chose Palin for nominee and she could very well end up as President. That's bad.

And basically that's as it's been since the beginning. FDR chose Truman, then kept him in the dark. Worked out ok, after a bit.

[Sitarro]

Not much but the public chose him for nominee and might choose him for President.

One person chose Palin for nominee and she could very well end up as President. That's bad.

Well, won't it be up to the public to elect the team of their choice? I wouldn't have selected Osama, Biden or McCain. None of those three have had any executive experience. McCain does have a career as a pilot and Naval Officer which certainly trumps Biden's sucking off the Governmental teet for 36 years after receiving 5 draft deferments and then getting classified as not available for military service because of teenage asthma(didn't the Dems give Cheney a lot of shit for his deferment?)

Osama is a joke as far as experience so let's get real here, like Ferraro said so candidly, if he was an all white guy he wouldn't even be in the U.S. Senate. He is only in the candidate slot because he appears to be black enough for Black America to support the potential for the first Black President with at least a 90% voting block. He also appears to the young naive voter because he isn't an "old guy". Sure, he reads a good speech but any lawyer could...... that is what they do..... some speak for good and others use their ability to sell as a way to get rich and keep rapist and murderers out of jail, he, like Edwards would fall in the latter category.

[Nuc]

Osama is a joke as far as experience so let's get real here, like Ferraro said so candidly, if he was an all white guy he wouldn't even be in the U.S. Senate. He is only in the candidate slot because he appears to be black enough for Black America to support the potential for the first Black President with at least a 90% voting block.

I don't think Obama can win based upon a 90% voting block when many if not most of them are too disorganized to vote. So he'll have to get plenty of white votes as well.

You're right the choices all around are not that great. And now that McCain has made his VEEP choice, the public gets to weigh in on that in Nov. If it has any impact that's democracy at work. And it'll prove the old adage that "anybody can grow up to be President" or at least Vice President.

I am not biased against McCain. If it had come down to him or Hillary I would have voted McCain. I just think he could have made a better choice. Even if he wanted to do something based on race or gender I would have preferred Condi, who is smarter and more experienced than Palin.

[OCA]

hey dude you are the one that predicted hillary would win.....

you really don't see the political genius in this pick......

mccain is a one term pres.....

he is just the guy to take on obama the polls prov it is a dead heat.....

so obama picks an olde man to offset mccain....

so if mccain wins he will need a vp to run for pres against either hillary or obama ..... palin is olde school gop.....

The woman can't even keep tabs on her own ho of a daughter and you want her to be in a position to take the reigns of America? Are you shitting me?

[OCA]

hey dude you are the one that predicted hillary would win.....

you really don't see the political genius in this pick......

mccain is a one term pres.....

he is just the guy to take on obama the polls prov it is a dead heat.....

so obama picks an olde man to offset mccain....

so if mccain wins he will need a vp to run for pres against either hillary or obama ..... palin is olde school gop.....

I don't know, correct me if i'm wrong but did old school Gopers talk out of both sides of their ass like Mrs. Wasilla? I mean did they talk family values in public but in private have a daughter who by all accounts has done half the high school?

[OCA]

John McCain has always been pro-military and takes a tough stand on foreign policy, which is the most important trait for a President. The President isn't a dictator who can force whatever domestic policy he wants, so all the talk about where they stand on the issues, especially on the economy is a moot point. He was always been pro-life and will appoint conservative judges. Although he has been liberal on issues like illegal immigration he does not qualify as a shitbag liberal. True liberals piss on their country and military every chance they get (as Obama has) and push forward their socialist/communist domestic policies (as Obama is).

How about his unconsitutional stances such as McCain/Feingold? The guy hates free speech. And if his foriegn policy continues Bush's nation building horseshit then screw him.

[OCA]

:clap: I really love this post, Hawk. You highlight several excellent points that very few people even think about. In those areas where it really counts, where a difference can be made as Prez, McCain is experienced and conservative. And Obama is assuredly not.

He most certainly is not conservative.

[mundame]

The wrong buzz (http://www.reuters.com/article/reutersEdge/idUSN0240885520080902) 3:15pm ET 9/2 Reuters

Whether the disclosures regarding Sarah Palin are a diversion or signs of more problems to come, her roll-in is a setback for John McCain, analysts say.
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I get it that the timing is alleged to be wrong about the baby that Palin was supposed to have covered for, for her daughter, but what is this business about the girl having mono for seven months????? And then suddenly the mom shows up preggers and announces it at seven months?

That's what some sites are saying, I swear to god.

I'd like to know if it's true this girl was out for, ahem, "mono" for seven months, because lemme tell you ---------------------------

Mono would not have been what it was. Lots of young people get mono, and we soldier on, tired in the evening, sore throats, but that seven months business is hard to believe.

[OCA]

you and your argument are full of it..
nobody I know lambaste anyone for out of wedlock pregnancy..or for having special needs children..

:cuckoo:

Steph its not lambasting when someone talks up family values but does not live up to them, in my mind she is on par with Larry Craig.

[mundame]

I think McCain is a complete idiot.

You realize if Palin really plows, McCain is finished, done, kaput.

Remember McGovern? A lot of the reason he was voted down in 49 states including his own was his first bad choice for VP, Thomas Eagleton, who didn't precisely confide his past incarceration in a state mental hospital getting repeated electroconvulsive shock treatment.

This Palin choice (I hope!!) isn't quite THAT bad, but it's worse than I realized ------------- when I complained about it last week I sure didn't expect all this pregnancy business to pop up, and who knows what all is coming next?


What happens in Alaska apparently stays in Alaska, at least till you run for national office.

[manu1959]

I don't know, correct me if i'm wrong but did old school Gopers talk out of both sides of their ass like Mrs. Wasilla? I mean did they talk family values in public but in private have a daughter who by all accounts has done half the high school?

how do the choices of her daughter negate palin's opinion of family values.....

[OCA]

how do the choices of her daughter negate palin's opinion of family values.....

In theory they don't, in reality they do, they reflect upon parenting skills especially when the child is still underage. IMO if she can't control her daughter then she has zero business holding public office let alone hitting the national campaign trail, she has way too much on her plate. And then well hell there is the issue of just how in the hell Johnny Lib makes his decisions because he sure stepped in a pile of shit with this one..........nice vetting process...........oh and I laughed so hard I almost pissed myself when I found out he really wanted Lieberman. If everyone looks hard enough you can still see the last vestiges of the Republican party before it goes all the way down the toilet.

That goes for all politicians on the family thingy.

[mundame]

In theory they don't, in reality they do, they reflect upon parenting skills especially when the child is still underage. IMO if she can't control her daughter then she has zero business holding public office let alone hitting the national campaign trail, she has way too much on her plate. And then well hell there is the issue of just how in the hell Johnny Lib makes his decisions because he sure stepped in a pile of shit with this one..........nice vetting process...........oh and I laughed so hard I almost pissed myself when I found out he really wanted Lieberman. If everyone looks hard enough you can still see the last vestiges of the Republican party before it goes all the way down the toilet.

That goes for all politicians on the family thingy.


Wanted to rep you, couldn't, so I'll just say, I agree 100%.


Lieberman?????

You're kidding, right?? I didn't see that.

[theHawk]

How about his unconsitutional stances such as McCain/Feingold? The guy hates free speech. And if his foriegn policy continues Bush's nation building horseshit then screw him.

Which is exactly why he isn't a conservative. Does that mean I should stay at home with my thumb up my ass on election day, or worse yet vote for that shitbag liberal who has zero experience to be our commander-in-chief?

[OCA]

Which is exactly why he isn't a conservative. Does that mean I should stay at home with my thumb up my ass on election day, or worse yet vote for that shitbag liberal who has zero experience to be our commander-in-chief?

There are other choices.

[mundame]

Which is exactly why he isn't a conservative. Does that mean I should stay at home with my thumb up my ass on election day

Yes.


or worse yet vote for that shitbag liberal who has zero experience to be our commander-in-chief?

No.


Here's a fascinating article in the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/us/politics/02vetting.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp)on Palin ---

excerpts below.

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Published: September 1, 2008
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— A series of disclosures about Gov. Sarah Palin (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/p/sarah_palin/index.html?inline=nyt-per), Senator John McCain (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/m/john_mccain/index.html?inline=nyt-per)’s choice as running mate, called into question on Monday how thoroughly Mr. McCain had examined her background before putting her on the Republican presidential ticket.
On Monday morning, Ms. Palin and her husband, Todd, issued a statement saying that their 17-year-old unmarried daughter, Bristol, was five months pregnant and that she intended to marry the father.

Among other less attention-grabbing news of the day: it was learned that Ms. Palin now has a private lawyer in a legislative ethics investigation in Alaska into whether she abused her power in dismissing the state’s public safety commissioner; that she was a member for two years in the 1990s of the Alaska Independence Party, which has at times sought a vote on whether the state should secede; and that Mr. Palin was arrested 22 years ago on a drunken-driving charge.

Aides to Mr. McCain said they had a team on the ground in Alaska now to look more thoroughly into Ms. Palin’s background. A Republican with ties to the campaign said the team assigned to vet Ms. Palin in Alaska had not arrived there until Thursday, a day before Mr. McCain stunned the political world with his vice-presidential choice.

Although the McCain campaign said that Mr. McCain had known about Bristol Palin’s pregnancy before he asked her mother to join him on the ticket and that he did not consider it disqualifying, top aides were vague on Monday about how and when [McCain] had learned of the pregnancy, and from whom.

While there was no sign that her formal nomination this week was in jeopardy, the questions swirling around Ms. Palin on the first day of the Republican National Convention (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/r/republican_national_convention/index.html?inline=nyt-org), already disrupted by Hurricane Gustav (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/h/hurricanes_and_tropical_storms/hurricane_gustav/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier), brought anxiety to Republicans who worried that Democrats would use the selection of Ms. Palin to question Mr. McCain’s judgment and his ability to make crucial decisions.

At the least, Republicans close to the campaign said it was increasingly apparent that Ms. Palin had been selected as Mr. McCain’s running mate with more haste than McCain advisers initially described.

Up until midweek last week, some 48 to 72 hours before Mr. McCain introduced Ms. Palin at a Friday rally in Dayton, Ohio, Mr. McCain was still holding out the hope that he could choose a good friend, Senator Joseph I. Lieberman (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/l/joseph_i_lieberman/index.html?inline=nyt-per), independent of Connecticut, a Republican close to the campaign said. Mr. McCain had also been interested in another favorite, former Gov. Tom Ridge (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/r/tom_ridge/index.html?inline=nyt-per) of Pennsylvania.

But both men favor abortion rights, anathema to the Christian conservatives who make up a crucial base of the Republican Party (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/r/republican_party/index.html?inline=nyt-org). As word leaked out that Mr. McCain was seriously considering the men, the campaign was bombarded by outrage from influential conservatives who predicted an explosive floor fight at the convention and vowed rejection of Mr. Ridge or Mr. Lieberman by the delegates.

Perhaps more important, several Republicans said, Mr. McCain was getting advice that if he did not do something to shake up the race, his campaign would be stuck on a potentially losing trajectory.
With time running out — and as Mr. McCain discarded two safer choices, Gov. Tim Pawlenty (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/p/tim_pawlenty/index.html?inline=nyt-per) of Minnesota and former Gov. Mitt Romney (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/r/mitt_romney/index.html?inline=nyt-per) of Massachusetts, as too predictable — he turned to Ms. Palin. He had his first face-to-face interview with her on Thursday and offered her the job moments later. Advisers to Mr. Pawlenty and another of the finalists on Mr. McCain’s list described an intensive vetting process for those candidates that lasted one to two months.

“They didn’t seriously consider her until four or five days from the time she was picked, before she was asked, maybe the Thursday or Friday before,” said a Republican close to the campaign. “This was really kind of rushed at the end, because John didn’t get what he wanted. He wanted to do Joe or Ridge.”

Mark Salter, Mr. McCain’s closest adviser, said in an e-mail message that Ms. Palin had been interviewed by Arthur B. Culvahouse Jr., a veteran Washington lawyer in charge of the vice-presidential vetting process for Mr. McCain, as well as by other lawyers who worked for Mr. Culvahouse. Mr. Salter did not respond to an e-mail message asking if Ms. Palin had told Mr. Culvahouse and his lawyers that her daughter was pregnant.

In Alaska, several state leaders and local officials said they knew of no efforts by the McCain campaign to find out more information about Ms. Palin before the announcement of her selection, Although campaigns are typically discreet when they make inquiries into potential running mates, officials in Alaska said Monday they thought it was peculiar that no one in the state had the slightest hint that Ms. Palin might be under consideration.

“They didn’t speak to anyone in the Legislature, they didn’t speak to anyone in the business community,” said Lyda Green, the State Senate president, who lives in Wasilla, where Ms. Palin served as mayor.
Representative Gail Phillips, a Republican and former speaker of the State House, said the widespread surprise in Alaska when Ms. Palin was named to the ticket made her wonder how intensively the McCain campaign had vetted her.

“I started calling around and asking, and I have not been able to find one person that was called,” Ms. Phillips said. “I called 30 to 40 people, political leaders, business leaders, community leaders. Not one of them had heard. Alaska is a very small community, we know people all over, but I haven’t found anybody who was asked anything.”

“It’s a risk,” said Dan Schnur, a former McCain aide who now directs the Jesse M. Unruh Institute of Politics at the University of Southern California (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/u/university_of_southern_california/index.html?inline=nyt-org). “No matter how great the candidate, it’s a significant risk to put someone on the ticket” who hasn’t been publicly scrutinized. “They obviously felt it was worth the risk to rev up the base and potentially reach out to Clinton supporters,” Mr. Schnur said.
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[mundame]

So McCain wanted Lieberman or Ridge.

But conservatives vowed a bad floor fight to defeat either of them at the convention. And "safe" choices, such as Pawlenty or (IMO not so safe) Romney, would be too boring to bother with in a bad GOP year.

McCain evidently just impulsively decided on Palin!! Liked her looks, maybe. They apparently didn't really vet her at all. She filled out a 70-item form..................................but somehow omitted to mention any of the stuff that is in the headlines now. Uh-huh.

I agree that Pawlenty was terminally boring, and Romney.........is a Mormon, I would never vote for a Mormon myself. Lieberman, for god's sake, is NOT A REPUBLICAN, DOESN'T THAT COUNT FOR ANYTHING????

Ridge would have gotten my vote. For sure. [Sigh]

But this Palin, no. Just way too questionable.

I notice all the Web site polls asking if Palin will get Hillary supporters' votes (like mine) are still running negative ---- no, she won't.

That's not a good sign if McCain chose her specifically to filch Hillary votes from Obama.

[Sitarro]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=74137


Johnny's got a new girl
Posted: September 02, 2008
5:55 pm Eastern

© 2008
The risk John McCain took last Friday is comparable to the 72-year-old ex-fighter pilot knocking back two shots and flying his F-16 under the Golden Gate Bridge.

McCain's choice of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to be his co-pilot was the biggest gamble in presidential history. As of now, it is paying off, big-time.

The sensational selection in Dayton, Ohio, stepped all over the big story from Denver – Barack Obama's powerful address to 85,000 cheering folks in Mile High Stadium, and 35 million nationally, a speech that vaulted him from a 2-point deficit early in the week to an 8-point margin. Barack had never before reached 49 percent against McCain.

As the Democrats were being rudely stepped on, however, Palin ignited an explosion of enthusiasm among conservatives, evangelicals, traditional Catholics, gun owners and Right to Lifers not seen in decades.

By passing over his friends Joe Lieberman and Tom Ridge, and picking Palin, McCain has given himself a fighting chance of winning the White House that, before Friday morning, seemed to be slipping away. Indeed, the bristling reaction on the left testifies to Democratic fears that the choice of Palin could indeed be a game-changer in 2008.

[emmett]

Which is exactly why he isn't a conservative. Does that mean I should stay at home with my thumb up my ass on election day, or worse yet vote for that shitbag liberal who has zero experience to be our commander-in-chief?



LOUD THROAT CLEARING SOUND!!!!


Ah............Hawk. You could vote for the most qualified candidate!

Read below.

[mundame]

Intrade market sees 14.6 pct chance Palin withdrawn

Wed Sep 3, 2008 2:26am EDT



<!-- END:: Broker Center Advert Module --><!-- END:: Shared Module id=86284 -->By Daniel Trotta
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The online prediction market Intrade sees a 14.6 percent chance Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin will be withdrawn as the Republican vice presidential nominee before the U.S. presidential election on November 4.

Intrade accepts trades on the probability of events such as whether there will be a recession, whether the U.S. Congress will lift the ban on offshore drilling or whether the United States or Israel will launch a military strike on Iran.

It opened the Palin betting market on Tuesday morning after a series of revelations about the Alaska governor, whom Sen. John McCain chose as his running mate, including that her unmarried 17-year-old daughter was pregnant.

The market opened at 3 percent that she would have to withdraw from the race and rose to a high of 18.9 percent. It fell back to 14.6 percent on 2,729 trades as of 9:52 p.m. EDT (9:52 p.m. EDT) after the Republican Party convention opened in St. Paul, Minnesota.
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Intrade has also gone over 60% again for Obama winning, as opposed to 39% for McCain. It was below 60% for awhile before all this convention and VP stuff.

Intrade has a better record than the polls.

[manu1959]

if you knew that there was a 14% chance that you would die tomorrow would you stay home......

the more the angry left attacks her and her family the more i like her.....

[mundame]

Yet more coming at us all the time ----


Palin faces questions this month in ethics inquiry, says lawmaker

<!--endclickprintexclude--><!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->(CNN) -- As she takes part in the Republican National Convention with Sen. John McCain, the abuse of power investigation facing Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin at home is charging ahead, and the governor is expected to be questioned this month, according to the lawmaker overseeing the investigation.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/base_skins/baseplate/corner_wire_BL.gif
<!-- /PURGE: /2008/POLITICS/09/02/palin.investigation/art.palin.hug.ap.jpg --><SCRIPT type=text/javascript _extended="true"> var CNN_ArticleChanger = new CNN_imageChanger('cnnImgChngr','/2008/POLITICS/09/02/palin.investigation/imgChng/p1-0.init.exclude.html',2,1);//CNN.imageChanger.load('cnnImgChngr','imgChng/p1-0.exclude.html');</SCRIPT><!--endclickprintexclude-->Palin's attorney is locked in a legal battle with the Alaska legislature, insisting that it does not have "primary jurisdiction" in the matter. The Democratic chairman of the Alaska Senate Judiciary Committee, meanwhile, has threatened subpoenas if Palin doesn't continue to cooperate in organizing witness interviews.

Letters between the two sides show a legal back-and-forth over several sticking points, with the committee chairman saying that Palin's newfound status as McCain's running mate "does not change the steps" the committee is taking and that he requests a "September date for the governor's deposition."

The inquiry boils down to whether Palin used her power to have a state commissioner fired for refusing to dismiss her former brother-in-law from the state police. She has denied any wrongdoing.

Her sudden, unexpected entry into the presidential race has taken the web of characters involved in the dispute and thrust them into the national spotlight.
************************************************** *

The story goes on to say her administration called this state commissioner 20 times about the issue and demanded to know why he hadn't fired him yet.

She'll lose.

Sounds like Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre to me.

I would think some of you men wouldn't like her abusing her power to fire some guy she thinks treated her sister bad regardless of law and punishing the commissioner who refused to fire him illegally.



But I guess since it's McCain's running mate, it must be all hunky-dory.

[Yurt]

so she is presumed guilty? i did not see where a fact finder made that decision...

[manu1959]

I would think some of you men wouldn't like her abusing her power to fire some guy she thinks treated her sister bad regardless of law and punishing the commissioner who refused to fire him illegally.


do you know what the trooper did............

[Sitarro]

In theory they don't, in reality they do, they reflect upon parenting skills especially when the child is still underage. IMO if she can't control her daughter then she has zero business holding public office let alone hitting the national campaign trail, she has way too much on her plate. And then well hell there is the issue of just how in the hell Johnny Lib makes his decisions because he sure stepped in a pile of shit with this one..........nice vetting process...........oh and I laughed so hard I almost pissed myself when I found out he really wanted Lieberman. If everyone looks hard enough you can still see the last vestiges of the Republican party before it goes all the way down the toilet.

That goes for all politicians on the family thingy.

She isn't underage in Alaska, the age of consent is 16. Control her daughter???? What planet do you live on. My girlfriend and I were very active sexually at 16 and that was in 1970 when the Beatles were cutting edge, today they are aware at 125 in the black and hispanic communities. This is a bunch of crap and you should know that.

[Sitarro]

There are other choices.

There really aren't, any other choice is a vote for Obama and possibly 3 new ultra liberal Supreme Court judges and 100s of federal judges...... that is the reality of it.

[Sitarro]

Intrade market sees 14.6 pct chance Palin withdrawn

Wed Sep 3, 2008 2:26am EDT



<!-- END:: Broker Center Advert Module --><!-- END:: Shared Module id=86284 -->By Daniel Trotta
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The online prediction market Intrade sees a 14.6 percent chance Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin will be withdrawn as the Republican vice presidential nominee before the U.S. presidential election on November 4.

Intrade accepts trades on the probability of events such as whether there will be a recession, whether the U.S. Congress will lift the ban on offshore drilling or whether the United States or Israel will launch a military strike on Iran.

It opened the Palin betting market on Tuesday morning after a series of revelations about the Alaska governor, whom Sen. John McCain chose as his running mate, including that her unmarried 17-year-old daughter was pregnant.

The market opened at 3 percent that she would have to withdraw from the race and rose to a high of 18.9 percent. It fell back to 14.6 percent on 2,729 trades as of 9:52 p.m. EDT (9:52 p.m. EDT) after the Republican Party convention opened in St. Paul, Minnesota.
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Intrade has also gone over 60% again for Obama winning, as opposed to 39% for McCain. It was below 60% for awhile before all this convention and VP stuff.

Intrade has a better record than the polls.

o-boy a web site for speculators....... what are you going to quote from next? The Enquirer, Star?

[Mr. P]

Yet more coming at us all the time ----


Palin faces questions this month in ethics inquiry, says lawmaker

<!--endclickprintexclude--><!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->(CNN) -- As she takes part in the Republican National Convention with Sen. John McCain, the abuse of power investigation facing Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin at home is charging ahead, and the governor is expected to be questioned this month, according to the lawmaker overseeing the investigation.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/base_skins/baseplate/corner_wire_BL.gif
<!-- /PURGE: /2008/POLITICS/09/02/palin.investigation/art.palin.hug.ap.jpg --><SCRIPT type=text/javascript _extended="true"> var CNN_ArticleChanger = new CNN_imageChanger('cnnImgChngr','/2008/POLITICS/09/02/palin.investigation/imgChng/p1-0.init.exclude.html',2,1);//CNN.imageChanger.load('cnnImgChngr','imgChng/p1-0.exclude.html');</SCRIPT><!--endclickprintexclude-->Palin's attorney is locked in a legal battle with the Alaska legislature, insisting that it does not have "primary jurisdiction" in the matter. The Democratic chairman of the Alaska Senate Judiciary Committee, meanwhile, has threatened subpoenas if Palin doesn't continue to cooperate in organizing witness interviews.

Letters between the two sides show a legal back-and-forth over several sticking points, with the committee chairman saying that Palin's newfound status as McCain's running mate "does not change the steps" the committee is taking and that he requests a "September date for the governor's deposition."

The inquiry boils down to whether Palin used her power to have a state commissioner fired for refusing to dismiss her former brother-in-law from the state police. She has denied any wrongdoing.

Her sudden, unexpected entry into the presidential race has taken the web of characters involved in the dispute and thrust them into the national spotlight.
************************************************** *

The story goes on to say her administration called this state commissioner 20 times about the issue and demanded to know why he hadn't fired him yet.

She'll lose.

Sounds like Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre to me.

I would think some of you men wouldn't like her abusing her power to fire some guy she thinks treated her sister bad regardless of law and punishing the commissioner who refused to fire him illegally.



But I guess since it's McCain's running mate, it must be all hunky-dory.

Some interesting reading for ya..
http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/29/palins-troopergate-beating-msm-distortions-to-the-truth/

[mundame]

Some interesting reading for ya..


Jeepers. What a mess. More family-in-chaos problems for the Palins, now extending to her sister's family.


Buncha rednecks.

Don't belong in Washington at all. We've got trouble enough with the Republicans doing toe-tapping and soliciting sex from boy pages, we don't need a family of Alaskans constantly threatening to shoot each other.

[Immanuel]

Jeepers. What a mess. More family-in-chaos problems for the Palins, now extending to her sister's family.


Buncha rednecks.

Don't belong in Washington at all. We've got trouble enough with the Republicans doing toe-tapping and soliciting sex from boy pages, we don't need a family of Alaskans constantly threatening to shoot each other.

The only thing I can say to that is... do we want Chicago-land politics in Washington?

I'd take a pregnant daughter over dead voters and corruption any day.

Immie

[mundame]

The only thing I can say to that is... do we want Chicago-land politics in Washington?



Nope.

Situation hopeless, all screwed up.

[Mr. P]

Yet more coming at us all the time ----


Palin faces questions this month in ethics inquiry, says lawmaker

<!--endclickprintexclude--><!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->(CNN) -- As she takes part in the Republican National Convention with Sen. John McCain, the abuse of power investigation facing Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin at home is charging ahead, and the governor is expected to be questioned this month, according to the lawmaker overseeing the investigation.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/base_skins/baseplate/corner_wire_BL.gif
<!-- /PURGE: /2008/POLITICS/09/02/palin.investigation/art.palin.hug.ap.jpg --><SCRIPT type=text/javascript _extended="true"> var CNN_ArticleChanger = new CNN_imageChanger('cnnImgChngr','/2008/POLITICS/09/02/palin.investigation/imgChng/p1-0.init.exclude.html',2,1);//CNN.imageChanger.load('cnnImgChngr','imgChng/p1-0.exclude.html');</SCRIPT><!--endclickprintexclude-->Palin's attorney is locked in a legal battle with the Alaska legislature, insisting that it does not have "primary jurisdiction" in the matter. The Democratic chairman of the Alaska Senate Judiciary Committee, meanwhile, has threatened subpoenas if Palin doesn't continue to cooperate in organizing witness interviews.

Letters between the two sides show a legal back-and-forth over several sticking points, with the committee chairman saying that Palin's newfound status as McCain's running mate "does not change the steps" the committee is taking and that he requests a "September date for the governor's deposition."

The inquiry boils down to whether Palin used her power to have a state commissioner fired for refusing to dismiss her former brother-in-law from the state police. She has denied any wrongdoing.

Her sudden, unexpected entry into the presidential race has taken the web of characters involved in the dispute and thrust them into the national spotlight.
************************************************** *

The story goes on to say her administration called this state commissioner 20 times about the issue and demanded to know why he hadn't fired him yet.

She'll lose.

Sounds like Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre to me.

I would think some of you men wouldn't like her abusing her power to fire some guy she thinks treated her sister bad regardless of law and punishing the commissioner who refused to fire him illegally.



But I guess since it's McCain's running mate, it must be all hunky-dory.


Jeepers. What a mess. More family-in-chaos problems for the Palins, now extending to her sister's family.


Buncha rednecks.

Don't belong in Washington at all. We've got trouble enough with the Republicans doing toe-tapping and soliciting sex from boy pages, we don't need a family of Alaskans constantly threatening to shoot each other.

You conveniently missed the point of facts that discredit any ethics problems that are suggested in your post. Now they're "Red Necks". Admit there's no case, it's a witch hunt, instead of dodging an weaving.

[Immanuel]

Nope.

Situation hopeless, all screwed up.


Agreed, but then why is it that you seem to be all over Sarah Palin and ignoring the other side?

I understand that others on site who are partisan (both ways) are like that but someone like you and I should be socking it to both sides.

Immie

[stephanie]

Jeepers. What a mess. More family-in-chaos problems for the Palins, now extending to her sister's family.


Buncha rednecks.

Don't belong in Washington at all. We've got trouble enough with the Republicans doing toe-tapping and soliciting sex from boy pages, we don't need a family of Alaskans constantly threatening to shoot each other.

no we need the upstanding liberal types who bring in 20 yr. old girls(the same age as his daughter), and hold her head down under his desk in the Oval office..and has affair after affair on his wife while serving as President..

yepper that's a liberals wet dream:coffee:

[Sitarro]

Jeepers. What a mess. More family-in-chaos problems for the Palins, now extending to her sister's family.


Buncha rednecks.

Don't belong in Washington at all. We've got trouble enough with the Republicans doing toe-tapping and soliciting sex from boy pages, we don't need a family of Alaskans constantly threatening to shoot each other.

The Kennedys............blue bloods that have been doing reprehensible things for half a century or more in Washington and the Dems feature "the Lion" at their show......... amazing that they would fawn over an alcoholic murderer on stage and basically nominate his fat ass to sainthood.

[mundame]

Agreed, but then why is it that you seem to be all over Sarah Palin and ignoring the other side?

I understand that others on site who are partisan (both ways) are like that but someone like you and I should be socking it to both sides.

Immie


I do remark on Obama, I think, though I'm not sure it's defensible to just whale away furiously at both sides. That's why I don't show up here too often ------ I'm negative about this election, I'm not willing to vote for either at this point.

I'm definitely not voting for Obalamabama under any circumstances, so I think of that as finished business.

But the reason I'm so angry right now (you all did notice that, right?) is that I was hoping for a reason to vote for McCain, namely Tom Ridge, whom I respect. MAYBE Lieberman, but VP pick in both a Dem and a GOP campaign? That's just weird. Or darn, even Pawlenty!! He's boring, but boredom never killed anyone.

And I'm disappointed. I'm doing a Harriet Miers like William Kristol did, he just erupted in total rejection and worked day and night till he got Bush to withdraw her. I can't do all that, I'm just a citizen instead of a rich neo-con, but now I understand how he felt.

I feel the office has been DISRESPECTED. McCain put up a BIMBO, a beauty pageant type with a family in total, redneck chaos! This disrespects the office of vice president, of president, and also disrespects American women. It implies that as long as she's eye candy, that's all that matters: otherwise, she can be dumb as a post and have no experience, except in hunting mooses. Meese. Whatever.


Aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrgh.

[stephanie]

wow...the long claws are showing...

so McCain should of picked some tired old Washington insider man, instead of a fresh faced Washington outsider WOMAN..

OKEY DOKEY

[mundame]

Admit there's no case, it's a witch hunt, instead of dodging an weaving.


Of course there's a case, Mr. P, that's why they are hearing the case. They started that well before this surprise VP pick.

And THAT's sure going to play out wonderfully in the national press between now and Election Day. The whole family is a basket case. How can these charges being explored in court possibly do McCain's campaign any good?


It's exactly the sort of tabloid material the media hangs on.

[mundame]

no we need the upstanding liberal types who bring in 20 yr. old girls(the same age as his daughter), and hold her head down under his desk in the Oval office..and has affair after affair on his wife while serving as President..



Well, if that's the sort of person you like, fine, it's your choice, but I never voted for Clinton.

After Gennifer Flowers showed up, I knew all I needed to know about ol' Billy boy.

[mundame]

Actually, Monica was 24 at the time.

That's why there was absolutely nothing feminists could say about it.

Well, *I* said, "I blame her mother," but nothing could be said in terms of illegalities.

[mundame]

The Kennedys............blue bloods that have been doing reprehensible things for half a century or more in Washington and the Dems feature "the Lion" at their show......... amazing that they would fawn over an alcoholic murderer on stage and basically nominate his fat ass to sainthood.


I remember when that happened.

Spoiled the moonwalk. Both events happened at the same time, it was really a pity.

[Mr. P]

Of course there's a case, Mr. P, that's why they are hearing the case. They started that well before this surprise VP pick.

And THAT's sure going to play out wonderfully in the national press between now and Election Day. The whole family is a basket case. How can these charges being explored in court possibly do McCain's campaign any good?


It's exactly the sort of tabloid material the media hangs on.

Sorry that's not true. Anyone can file a case regardless of whether they have a case or not, there will be a hearing set.

[mundame]

Sorry that's not true. Anyone can file a case regardless of whether they have a case or not, there will be a hearing set.


Well, they are proceeding right along with this hearing, and I canNOT see how that is supposed to be good news for McCain's campaign.

Does anyone think this is okay, it's a plus, McCain will gain votes from this case being heard?


Because it looks to me like nothing but money in the bank for the Dems from now till Election Day.

[Sitarro]

Well, they are proceeding right along with this hearing, and I canNOT see how that is supposed to be good news for McCain's campaign.

Does anyone think this is okay, it's a plus, McCain will gain votes from this case being heard?


Because it looks to me like nothing but money in the bank for the Dems from now till Election Day.

So..... you're the Governor, you find out that there is a low life on the State Police force that has threatened the life of another citizen, has used a tazer on a ten year old boy, has beat his wife, and has been caught drinking in his patrol car. As Governor you tell the person that should do the firing of this despicable human being, that is wearing the uniform of the state police, that he needs to do so and he refuses. That same person is in office at the service of the Governor and you as Governor has the right to get rid of his derelict ass at anytime for any reason....... wouldn't you?

[-Cp]

Oh sure he was qualified to take over a do nothing meaningless position like the VP slot and so is she but.........................if she has to assume the Oval Office lets just hope she isn't mentopausal at the time because no experience and mentopause would be a bad combo.

That statement clearly shows your ignorance of how ANY President makes decisions - they have a cabinet for a reason ya know...

[Mr. P]

Well, they are proceeding right along with this hearing, and I canNOT see how that is supposed to be good news for McCain's campaign.

Does anyone think this is okay, it's a plus, McCain will gain votes from this case being heard?


Because it looks to me like nothing but money in the bank for the Dems from now till Election Day.

it's not the big deal the left wants it to be...any reasonable person can look at the info and see that..some folks of course, are just fed and eat anything, then regurgitate it. Kinda like your doing here in an oh so innocent way.

[Gaffer]

Let's see, a bunch of left wing bloggers start making up stories, give sleazy opinions, and make accusations about morality (a word they have no clue as to the meaning of) and the msm picks up on these stories and runs with them as if they are the absolute truth. OCA and mundane buy into these stories, happily eating them up as fact, and condemning Palin before she's even had a chance to speak for herself. You both deserve the obamanation and all the hell he will bring down on you.

[mundame]

So..... you're the Governor, you find out that there is a low life on the State Police force that has threatened the life of another citizen, has used a tazer on a ten year old boy, has beat his wife, and has been caught drinking in his patrol car. As Governor you tell the person that should do the firing of this despicable human being, that is wearing the uniform of the state police, that he needs to do so and he refuses. That same person is in office at the service of the Governor and you as Governor has the right to get rid of his derelict ass at anytime for any reason....... wouldn't you?


It wasn't just "a citizen," it was her SISTER. So there is bias.

No, I wouldn't do that. I would have enough IQ points to figure out that it would be, you know, 1) illegal, 2) look bad, 3) be a corrupt misuse of power.

Palin, however, seems to have an IQ in single digits, so she couldn't work that out.

I ask again: anyone think this is going to be okay for McCain's campaign?

[Sigh]

Do you know articles are now calling all this McCain's Soap Opera?

[Mr. P]

It wasn't just "a citizen," it was her SISTER. So there is bias.

No, I wouldn't do that. I would have enough IQ points to figure out that it would be, you know, 1) illegal, 2) look bad, 3) be a corrupt misuse of power.

Palin, however, seems to have an IQ in single digits, so she couldn't work that out.

I ask again: anyone think this is going to be okay for McCain's campaign?

[Sigh]

Do you know articles are now calling all this McCain's Soap Opera?

Sorry,spin all ya want it was a Trooper. One, that if you read all the info on the link I posted has had many documented problems.

Apparently your IQ is not high enough to know #1,2,3 are BS and without merit.

[Abbey Marie]

...
McCain put up a BIMBO, a beauty pageant type with a family in total, redneck chaos!
...


Please explain how this married mother of 5 is a BIMBO. From all accounts, she is a faithful wife and very hard working mom.

[mundame]

Apparently your IQ is not high enough to know #1,2,3 are BS and without merit.


Uh-huuuuuh-uh. Except that these items are what she is charged with and being tried on and has hired a lawyer to defend her on, so I'm thinking this is going to be quite a little show that drains all the air out of McCain's balloon.


Neat! a VP candidate who is actually being tried on corruption charges while running a campaign for vice-president! I don't think we've had THAT treat before.

[Mr. P]

Uh-huuuuuh-uh. Except that these items are what she is charged with and being tried on and has hired a lawyer to defend her on, so I'm thinking this is going to be quite a little show that drains all the air out of McCain's balloon.


Neat! a VP candidate who is actually being tried on corruption charges while running a campaign for vice-president! I don't think we've had THAT treat before.

I predict it never goes to trial. It will be thrown out to the left wings dismay.
There is no case only accusations which you seem to love to echo.

[mundame]

I predict it never goes to trial. It will be thrown out to the left wings dismay.
There is no case only accusations which you seem to love to echo.


Sure there's a case. That's why there's a hearing. And a lot of it is about this woman's Eskimo husband ---- apparently he's a Yupik Eskimo, whatever that is, and he made a lot of the calls trying to get these two men fired. The rest were made by Sarah and her staff.

According to the Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122040040143693083.html) today, her husband is copied on official state documents and is viewed as the power behind her throne. He takes months off at a time from his job, and people in Alaska are said to be asking why this guy has so much power. He's called the "shadow governor."

Oh, great. We're supposed to have an Eskimo Machiavelli in the VP house. It only lacked that. http://bestsmileys.com/nono/9.gif


Unless he gets convicted for improper abuse of the governor's power.

[Dilloduck]

It wasn't just "a citizen," it was her SISTER. So there is bias.

No, I wouldn't do that. I would have enough IQ points to figure out that it would be, you know, 1) illegal, 2) look bad, 3) be a corrupt misuse of power.

Palin, however, seems to have an IQ in single digits, so she couldn't work that out.

I ask again: anyone think this is going to be okay for McCain's campaign?

[Sigh]

Do you know articles are now calling all this McCain's Soap Opera?

I think it's going to be fine----maybe even work to his advantage. If they want to invest precious time focusing on troopergate just think of all the other opportunities they might miss. If you get that spin going in too many directions, no one can follow it and it's diluted. Is that really how they want to invest the next 60 days ?

[Dilloduck]

Sure there's a case. That's why there's a hearing. And a lot of it is about this woman's Eskimo husband ---- apparently he's a Yupik Eskimo, whatever that is, and he made a lot of the calls trying to get these two men fired. The rest were made by Sarah and her staff.

According to the Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122040040143693083.html) today, her husband is copied on official state documents and is viewed as the power behind her throne. He takes months off at a time from his job, and people in Alaska are said to be asking why this guy has so much power. He's called the "shadow governor."

Oh, great. We're supposed to have an Eskimo Machiavelli in the VP house. It only lacked that. http://bestsmileys.com/nono/9.gif


Unless he gets convicted for improper abuse of the governor's power.

I thought you might be above this trite shit but I guess not.
An Eskimo Machiavelli-----that's rich !!! :laugh2:

[mundame]

I think it's going to be fine----maybe even work to his advantage. If they want to invest precious time focusing on troopergate just think of all the other opportunities they might miss. If you get that spin going in too many directions, no one can follow it and it's diluted. Is that really how they want to invest the next 60 days ?


Thank you for answering my question, Dilloduck. If I understand you, you think that focus on Sarah Palin's negatives will force them to miss some biggies they could attack John McCain on. So that maybe they'll have to give it up and refocus on him, but if they don't, that would be better for McCain.

[mundame]

I thought you might be above this trite shit but I guess not.



What, reporting by the Wall Street Journal is "trite shit"?

Best paper in America.

[Dilloduck]

What, reporting by the Wall Street Journal is "trite shit"?

Best paper in America.

No media is above trite when it coems to politics. Troopergate is trite and will fail to convince anyone that she will use her power as VP to go harrass people she hates. I mean thats the whole point here isn't it ?

[mundame]

Troopergate is trite and will fail to convince anyone that she will use her power as VP to go harrass people she hates. I mean thats the whole point here isn't it ?


Yes, or use her power as president illicitly, even more problematically. Or her husband use the power. After all, Cheney has long had a bad reputation for illegal use of power; do we really want another of those types so soon?

Doesn't anyone have any character anymore? I suppose they never did; we just didn't see how the sausage was made.

Well, I disagree. My co-worker today is roaring around saying this is the same as Travelgate!!!! That Hillary corruptly and improperly fired those travel people and put in her own from Arkansas. It is true that THAT scandal fascinated people a long time.


And that didn't even have sex and wife-beating, so this one is likely to be even more attractive to the media and it's readers.

[mundame]

Mayor's removal hearing in national spotlight

George Hunter / The Detroit News (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080903/METRO/809030432/1409)

September 3, 2008

The first story listed on Washington Post Web site's "The Daily Read" news section today is an item about the presidential campaign.

Directly under that is an item about today's hearing to decide whether to remove Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick from office.

Kilpatrick's woes have garnered national attention for months, and today's removal hearing by Gov. Jennifer Granholm is attracting renewed interest from media outlets across the country.
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"To find that Mr. Kilpatrick did abuse the powers of his office, Ms. Granholm said she needed only to be persuaded to a point that she found 'sufficient' given the evidence presented. She did not define what sufficient evidence would be, other than to say that it would be enough to satisfy 'an unprejudiced mind seeking the truth.' "

"In opening remarks Wednesday, Granholm said she would consider only two issues: whether Kilpatrick, as mayor, authorized the settlements to further his 'personal and private interests,' and whether he concealed information that council members should have had in reviewing and approving the settlements.
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See, Mr. P, the Detroit mayor is about to be removed on the exact same charges that have been brought against Palin.

He fired two troopers for personal reasons.

She fired a trooper and a state commissioner for personal reasons.

Same deal.

If it's wrong in Detroit, it's wrong in Alaska.


You can't have one law for the black and a different law for the Eskimo.

Or moose, or whatever. http://bestsmileys.com/lol/13.gif

[Yurt]

you AGAIN are assuming she is guilty...

[OCA]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=74137


Johnny's got a new girl
Posted: September 02, 2008
5:55 pm Eastern

© 2008
The risk John McCain took last Friday is comparable to the 72-year-old ex-fighter pilot knocking back two shots and flying his F-16 under the Golden Gate Bridge.

McCain's choice of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to be his co-pilot was the biggest gamble in presidential history. As of now, it is paying off, big-time.

The sensational selection in Dayton, Ohio, stepped all over the big story from Denver – Barack Obama's powerful address to 85,000 cheering folks in Mile High Stadium, and 35 million nationally, a speech that vaulted him from a 2-point deficit early in the week to an 8-point margin. Barack had never before reached 49 percent against McCain.

As the Democrats were being rudely stepped on, however, Palin ignited an explosion of enthusiasm among conservatives, evangelicals, traditional Catholics, gun owners and Right to Lifers not seen in decades.

By passing over his friends Joe Lieberman and Tom Ridge, and picking Palin, McCain has given himself a fighting chance of winning the White House that, before Friday morning, seemed to be slipping away. Indeed, the bristling reaction on the left testifies to Democratic fears that the choice of Palin could indeed be a game-changer in 2008.

Pandering to the Christian right for votes because he knows the conservative base ain't gonna turn out for him in big numbers because he's a fucking lib like Osama.

Funny thing though is its beginning to bite him in the ass, first off evangelicals, hardcore evangelicals are already beginning to question the wisdom in choosing a woman who talks a good game but her own underage daughter is a knocked up teen.......which speaks to Johnny Lib's ability to make good decisions, and it don't speak good, he should've discovered this skeleton and tossed Mrs. Wasilla aside.

[OCA]

She isn't underage in Alaska, the age of consent is 16. Control her daughter???? What planet do you live on. My girlfriend and I were very active sexually at 16 and that was in 1970 when the Beatles were cutting edge, today they are aware at 125 in the black and hispanic communities. This is a bunch of crap and you should know that.

It don't fucking matter what the age of consent is, you know as well as I do that at 16 you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. Thing is, mommy should've been taking care of business in the family instead of trying to play political bigshot and firing people to pay off family debts.

[OCA]

There really aren't, any other choice is a vote for Obama and possibly 3 new ultra liberal Supreme Court judges and 100s of federal judges...... that is the reality of it.

Bullshit, that line of thinking is exactly why the Republican Party is not the party of conservatism any longer........you are settling.

[OCA]

That statement clearly shows your ignorance of how ANY President makes decisions - they have a cabinet for a reason ya know...

-cp go back and take a look at what Johnny Lib said were the duties of vp when he was being talked up for the position in 2000, the link is earlier in the thread.

[OCA]

Let's see, a bunch of left wing bloggers start making up stories, give sleazy opinions, and make accusations about morality (a word they have no clue as to the meaning of) and the msm picks up on these stories and runs with them as if they are the absolute truth. OCA and mundane buy into these stories, happily eating them up as fact, and condemning Palin before she's even had a chance to speak for herself. You both deserve the obamanation and all the hell he will bring down on you.

Now you know how Demos felt about US slamming Bubba around in 92.

BTW I do want Obama to win, its the only way to move the Republican party back to where it belongs..........right of center. Its a tough move but one that will reap fruit in the end.

[Mr. P]

Mayor's removal hearing in national spotlight

George Hunter / The Detroit News (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080903/METRO/809030432/1409)

September 3, 2008

The first story listed on Washington Post Web site's "The Daily Read" news section today is an item about the presidential campaign.

Directly under that is an item about today's hearing to decide whether to remove Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick from office.

Kilpatrick's woes have garnered national attention for months, and today's removal hearing by Gov. Jennifer Granholm is attracting renewed interest from media outlets across the country.
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"To find that Mr. Kilpatrick did abuse the powers of his office, Ms. Granholm said she needed only to be persuaded to a point that she found 'sufficient' given the evidence presented. She did not define what sufficient evidence would be, other than to say that it would be enough to satisfy 'an unprejudiced mind seeking the truth.' "

"In opening remarks Wednesday, Granholm said she would consider only two issues: whether Kilpatrick, as mayor, authorized the settlements to further his 'personal and private interests,' and whether he concealed information that council members should have had in reviewing and approving the settlements.
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See, Mr. P, the Detroit mayor is about to be removed on the exact same charges that have been brought against Palin.

He fired two troopers for personal reasons.

She fired a trooper and a state commissioner for personal reasons.

Same deal.

If it's wrong in Detroit, it's wrong in Alaska.


You can't have one law for the black and a different law for the Eskimo.

Or moose, or whatever. http://bestsmileys.com/lol/13.gif

I see no similarities in the two situations in the link you posted. Cept someone is getting fired.

[Gaffer]

Now you know how Demos felt about US slamming Bubba around in 92.

BTW I do want Obama to win, its the only way to move the Republican party back to where it belongs..........right of center. Its a tough move but one that will reap fruit in the end.

So McCain picks a running mate that is right of center and your complaining?

She's the start needed to move the party to the right and you want to hand the country to obamanation. Kinda like burning your house down cause you don't like your neighbors.

[Missileman]

So McCain picks a running mate that is right of center and your complaining?

She's the start needed to move the party to the right and you want to hand the country to obamanation. Kinda like burning your house down cause you don't like your neighbors.

What do you expect from someone who says he couldn't tell his ass from a hole in the ground when he was 16?

[OCA]

So McCain picks a running mate that is right of center and your complaining?

She's the start needed to move the party to the right and you want to hand the country to obamanation. Kinda like burning your house down cause you don't like your neighbors.

I want someone who actually walks the walk, her family situation kinda shoots that in the ass, makes all her family value stuff utter bullshit.

[OCA]

What do you expect from someone who says he couldn't tell his ass from a hole in the ground when he was 16?

I know, you were a nobel laureate at 16, but your views on queers kinda tells the truth about that, don't ya know?

[Yurt]

I want someone who actually walks the walk, her family situation kinda shoots that in the ass, makes all her family value stuff utter bullshit.

if one of your children turns gay or murders someone, that makes all you stand for bullshit?

[OCA]

if one of your children turns gay or murders someone, that makes all you stand for bullshit?

Yeah, it kinda does. Like it or not, people see the way your children act and see that as a reflection of your parenting skills. We all do it all the time, if you are in the store and there is some kid in there running his piehole talking back to his parents etc. etc. we all think "gee what the fuck is wrong with this kid and what the hell is wrong with his parents", and vice versa, we see a well behaved kid and we think what a wonderful job his parents have done.

[Yurt]

Yeah, it kinda does. Like it or not, people see the way your children act and see that as a reflection of your parenting skills. We all do it all the time, if you are in the store and there is some kid in there running his piehole talking back to his parents etc. etc. we all think "gee what the fuck is wrong with this kid and what the hell is wrong with his parents", and vice versa, we see a well behaved kid and we think what a wonderful job his parents have done.

i disagree...if the kid is continually running around the store, that shows lack of discipline if the parent does nothing. but to counsel your child against pre-marital sex, etc... and then to have that child commit that act, is not a sign of bad parenting. what are you doing to do as the parent follow the child everywhere, insert a gps unit under the skin? kids have free will oca, they are not slaves or robots.

i don't think cheney is any less of a person or conservative because his daughter is gay, do you? i guess so.

[OCA]

i disagree...if the kid is continually running around the store, that shows lack of discipline if the parent does nothing. but to counsel your child against pre-marital sex, etc... and then to have that child commit that act, is not a sign of bad parenting. what are you doing to do as the parent follow the child everywhere, insert a gps unit under the skin? kids have free will oca, they are not slaves or robots.

i don't think cheney is any less of a person or conservative because his daughter is gay, do you? i guess so.

I think that Dick didn't take the bull by the horns if you know what I mean. Screw that free will shit, sure they can develop their own trains of thought and views but under my roof unless its something I agree with they won't be acting upon these things.

It is a bad reflection upon Mrs. Wasilla.

[Yurt]

I think that Dick didn't take the bull by the horns if you know what I mean. Screw that free will shit, sure they can develop their own trains of thought and views but under my roof unless its something I agree with they won't be acting upon these things.

It is a bad reflection upon Mrs. Wasilla.

so your children are perfect?

do you let your children out of your sight?

come on dude, we were both kids once and you can't tell me you didn't fuck off...despite your parents saying otherwise...:laugh2: you were an angel, i have it on mfm's good word :cool:

[OCA]

so your children are perfect?

do you let your children out of your sight?

come on dude, we were both kids once and you can't tell me you didn't fuck off...despite your parents saying otherwise...:laugh2: you were an angel, i have it on mfm's good word :cool:

There is a difference between being a knucklehead and getting knocked up.

[Missileman]

I know, you were a nobel laureate at 16, but your views on queers kinda tells the truth about that, don't ya know?

No, at 15-16, I was holding down a 50-plus hour a week job, donating nearly all my earnings towards family expenses, while maintaining a grade average that got me into the national honor society and two congressional nominations to the AF Academy.

[Kathianne]

There is a difference between being a knucklehead and getting knocked up.

Hmmm, you didn't know any 'good' girls that got preggers? Funny that.

[Missileman]

Hmmm, you didn't know any 'good' girls that got preggers? Funny that.

I guess we're supposed to start arresting parents when their kids commit crimes...obviously the parent's fault. :rolleyes:

[Abbey Marie]

No, at 15-16, I was holding down a 50-plus hour a week job, donating nearly all my earnings towards family expenses, while maintaining a grade average that got me into the national honor society and two congressional nominations to the AF Academy.

Very impressive, MM! :clap:

[manu1959]

I guess we're supposed to start arresting parents when their kids commit crimes...obviously the parent's fault. :rolleyes:

i seem to recall that they are doing just that here in california...

[OCA]

No, at 15-16, I was holding down a 50-plus hour a week job, donating nearly all my earnings towards family expenses, while maintaining a grade average that got me into the national honor society and two congressional nominations to the AF Academy.

Uhhh yeah....ok......lol

[OCA]

Hmmm, you didn't know any 'good' girls that got preggers? Funny that.

Its not about whether she's a good girl or not, we've strayed, its about that her mother talks publicly about family values for others but can't even keep her own house in order.

Its called do as I say, not as I do.

[Yurt]

Its not about whether she's a good girl or not, we've strayed, its about that her mother talks publicly about family values for others but can't even keep her own house in order.

Its called do as I say, not as I do.

maybe she should have had robots...

do you believe in jesus or god or something divine being?

[Missileman]

Uhhh yeah....ok......lol

Which part of that did you find humorous and why?

[OCA]

Which part of that did you find humorous and why?

Did you know that I graduated top of my class at MIT and do secret James Bond shit for the CIA?

Anybody can make any claim over the web.

[OCA]

maybe she should have had robots...

do you believe in jesus or god or something divine being?

Your trying to deflect from the obvious, Mrs. Wasilla should get her own affairs in order before attending to the affairs of others.

[Yurt]

Your trying to deflect from the obvious, Mrs. Wasilla should get her own affairs in order before attending to the affairs of others.

it is not a deflection, that you won't answer shows you know i have a point

i suppose that any teacher, pastor, whatnot who does not have a perfect home life, is not perfect spiritually or maybe only got c's in college, highshool...should never be allowed to preach or teach

i made out heavily with the pastors daughter and he told her that she could only go as far as kissing a man before, and preferably not, until they married, she went further...i guess that pastor should not preach to us about anything...

[Missileman]

Anybody can make any claim over the web.

True statement. It doesn't alter the truth of what I wrote however.

[OCA]

it is not a deflection, that you won't answer shows you know i have a point

i suppose that any teacher, pastor, whatnot who does not have a perfect home life, is not perfect spiritually or maybe only got c's in college, highshool...should never be allowed to preach or teach

i made out heavily with the pastors daughter and he told her that she could only go as far as kissing a man before, and preferably not, until they married, she went further...i guess that pastor should not preach to us about anything...

What does my beliefs in God have to do with shit? Boy you guys are scrambling on this one, probably need Mrs. Wasilla on the ticket since the presidential candidate is such a a flaming lib.

[Yurt]

What does my beliefs in God have to do with shit? Boy you guys are scrambling on this one, probably need Mrs. Wasilla on the ticket since the presidential candidate is such a a flaming lib.

why can't you answer a simple question?

if you do believe in jesus, he does not want us to sin, but we do, so jesus obviously must not be omnipotent because his followers sin, he obviously must be an unworthy 'god' and has no business running the universe when he can't control one little tiny planet