Camille Paglia is reeling at the possibilities Palin Represents

[Sitarro]

Fun article from the Times online UK!!!!! One of many to come and the comment section is a big eye opener.:clap::clap::clap:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4641030.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797093


From The Sunday Times
August 31, 2008
Sarah Palin: conservatives find the girl of their dreams
The Alaskan governor’s family life and political views press the right’s buttons
Sarah Baxter

When Sarah Palin stepped into the spotlight as John McCain’s running mate in Dayton, Ohio, and promised that women could “shatter that glass ceiling once and for all”, it was an electrifying moment in a presidential election that had already produced its share of upsets and surprises.

History was on the march again the morning after Barack Obama became the first African-American to accept his party’s White House nomination. After the fireworks, the 80,000-strong crowd who had cheered Obama to the skies at the Mile High stadium in Denver woke up with a hangover.

“We may be seeing the first woman president. As a Democrat, I am reeling,” said Camille Paglia, the cultural critic. “That was the best political speech I have ever seen delivered by an American woman politician. Palin is as tough as nails.”

With her beehive hairdo and retro specs, Palin, 44, has a “naughty librarian vibe”, according to Craig Ferguson, the Scottish comedian who stars on late-night US television. However, the selection of Palin, the governor of Alaska and a mother of five, as the first female Republican vice-presidential nominee is no joke for the Democrats.

[wbcoleman]

Paglia is the most honest Liberal Lesbian out there.

[Abbey Marie]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4641030.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797093

...
With her beehive hairdo and retro specs, Palin, 44, has a “naughty librarian vibe”, according to Craig Ferguson, the Scottish comedian who stars on late-night US television. However, the selection of Palin, the governor of Alaska and a mother of five, as the first female Republican vice-presidential nominee is no joke for the Democrats.


As soon as I saw her, I thought the same thing. :)

[Sitarro]

Paglia is the most honest Liberal Lesbian out there.

I've enjoyed her career for years. I love how much she upsets the status quo with her very vocal independent thinking. She is even a friend of Rush. She is constantly challenging the conventional thought of the party she is a part of.

[Sitarro]

As soon as I saw her, I thought the same thing. :)

Craig Ferguson is hysterical, I can picture his facial expression when he was saying this.:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[retiredman]

I've enjoyed her career for years. I love how much she upsets the status quo with her very vocal independent thinking. She is even a friend of Rush. She is constantly challenging the conventional thought of the party she is a part of.

so you followed her closely when she was MAYOR of a town of 6K people?

BULLSHIT!:laugh2:

[Kathianne]

Look at who he was referring to:


Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
Paglia is the most honest Liberal Lesbian out there.

[retiredman]

Look at who he was referring to:


point taken

[Sitarro]

point taken

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh::laugh::coffee::D:)

[Sitarro]

so you followed her closely when she was MAYOR of a town of 6K people?

BULLSHIT!:laugh2:

Even when you take out the fact that I wasn't speaking of Governor Palin, I never said that I followed Paglia's career closely, just that I have enjoyed her career......... not really a detail oriented person are you?

Why do all of you libbies continue to go all the way back to Palin's post as Mayor of Wasilla? Is that a lame attempt to try to get us to forget that she is the Governor of Alaska for almost 2 years now? Weak, even for you...... I expect that sophomoric shit from that simpleton Joey or the angry Gabalotosorous, but you, really?:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[retiredman]

Even when you take out the fact that I wasn't speaking of Governor Palin, I never said that I followed Paglia's career closely, just that I have enjoyed her career......... not really a detail oriented person are you?

Why do all of you libbies continue to go all the way back to Palin's post as Mayor of Wasilla? Is that a lame attempt to try to get us to forget that she is the Governor of Alaska for almost 2 years now? Weak, even for you...... I expect that sophomoric shit from that simpleton Joey or the angry Gabalotosorous, but you, really?:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:


gosh... yet Obama has been a United States Senator for nearly two years now and you all don't count that for shit.....

pretty funny. keep trying to sell the rest of us on the fact that you LOVE the choice of Palin!

[Abbey Marie]

gosh... yet Obama has been a United States Senator for nearly two years now and you all don't count that for shit.....

pretty funny. keep trying to sell the rest of us on the fact that you LOVE the choice of Palin!


You really think that we are faking this?!

I haven't seen this board so excited about any candidate- ever. No to mention that several of the same people that have been lukewarm to negative on McCain (and have had no hesitation in saying so), are now going to vote for him because of Sarah. Same thing on other boards.

It's a bona fide phenomenon, and it's making the libs crazy.

[stephanie]

gosh... yet Obama has been a United States Senator for nearly two years now and you all don't count that for shit.....

pretty funny. keep trying to sell the rest of us on the fact that you LOVE the choice of Palin!

that's because he hasn't done a damn thing in the Senate..except keep a stool warm..Nobody had ever heard of him until he started running for President...now how friggen memorable he was...

you all just can't stand the fact that Sarah Palin outshines, outsmarts, has had some real jobs in her life, and runs a state and not a couple of city blocks...

get used to it..:dance:

[retiredman]

You really think that we are faking this?!

I haven't seen this board so excited about any candidate- ever. No to mention that several of the same people that have been lukewarm to negative on McCain (and have had no hesitation in saying so), are now going to vote for him because of Sarah. Same thing on other boards.

It's a bona fide phenomenon, and it's making the libs crazy.

It is not making me crazy in the least. I just had dinner last night with a Naval Academy classmate of mine from Texas who was in Maine to drop his daughter off at Bowdoin College... he and his wife are moderate independents and, without any prompting from me, they both were quite vocal in their disbelief that McCain had picked someone so incredibly inexperienced. They both said that such a move took the "Obama is inexperienced" argument completely out of McCain's arsenal... and they both thought that was incredibly stupid of him to do so. Methinks that you are placing a lot of importance about how internet republican politics junkies look at Palin and are unrealistically extrapolating such enthusiasm to the general population when I am not sure such exuberance is warranted.

[Abbey Marie]

It is not making me crazy in the least. I just had dinner last night with a Naval Academy classmate of mine from Texas who was in Maine to drop his daughter off at Bowdoin College... he and his wife are moderate independents and, without any prompting from me, they both were quite vocal in their disbelief that McCain had picked someone so incredibly inexperienced. They both said that such a move took the "Obama is inexperienced" argument completely out of McCain's arsenal... and they both thought that was incredibly stupid of him to do so. Methinks that you are placing a lot of importance about how internet republican politics junkies look at Palin and are unrealistically extrapolating such enthusiasm to the general population when I am not sure such exuberance is warranted.

Anecdotal, as you know.
But either way, why on earth would you accuse us of faking enthusiasm for Sarah, by saying this:

keep trying to sell the rest of us on the fact that you LOVE the choice of Palin!

[retiredman]

Anecdotal, as you know.
But either way, why on earth would you accuse us of faking enthusiasm for Sarah, by saying this:

oh...I am sure that, after a few swigs of koolaid, you can convince yourself and each other that she is the best thing that ever happened to the grand old party.....

seems as if she has not always been quite the anti-pork reformer that she sells herself as:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26486063/

and that ain't "anecdotal".

[fj1200]

It is not making me crazy in the least. I just had dinner last night with a Naval Academy classmate of mine from Texas who was in Maine to drop his daughter off at Bowdoin College... he and his wife are moderate independents and, without any prompting from me, they both were quite vocal in their disbelief that McCain had picked someone so incredibly inexperienced. They both said that such a move took the "Obama is inexperienced" argument completely out of McCain's arsenal... and they both thought that was incredibly stupid of him to do so. Methinks that you are placing a lot of importance about how internet republican politics junkies look at Palin and are unrealistically extrapolating such enthusiasm to the general population when I am not sure such exuberance is warranted.

Given that it's been three days and I/we? have heard one speech from her it may be a little to early to declare the Obama inexperience issue over. McCain's biggest problem was not the moderate independents, his biggest question mark was the conservative base. As noted, the pick has jazzed those who questioned his commitment.

I think once people learn more about her bucking conventional politics (right up McCain's alley) and how she wins in unexpected fashion, the pick will be a positive. I've said before (not here) that this election is McCain's to lose and this has not hurt that.

BTW, GWB was never expected to beat Ma Richards in TX so look out for the longshots.

[retiredman]

Given that it's been three days and I/we? have heard one speech from her it may be a little to early to declare the Obama inexperience issue over. McCain's biggest problem was not the moderate independents, his biggest question mark was the conservative base. As noted, the pick has jazzed those who questioned his commitment.

I think once people learn more about her bucking conventional politics (right up McCain's alley) and how she wins in unexpected fashion, the pick will be a positive. I've said before (not here) that this election is McCain's to lose and this has not hurt that.

BTW, GWB was never expected to beat Ma Richards in TX so look out for the longshots.


AND HOW SHE SUPPORTED THE BRIDGE TO NOWHERE BEFORE SHE OPPOSED IT?:laugh2:

[Missileman]

gosh... yet Obama has been a United States Senator for nearly two years now and you all don't count that for shit.....

pretty funny. keep trying to sell the rest of us on the fact that you LOVE the choice of Palin!

There is a totally different skill set involved between being a senator and actually running a government, whether local, state, or federal. Being a senator for 2 years has in no way prepared Obama to do anything other than be a senator for another 2 years. Actually running a city and state government makes Palin much more qualified than Obama...deal with it.

[fj1200]

AND HOW SHE SUPPORTED THE BRIDGE TO NOWHERE BEFORE SHE OPPOSED IT?:laugh2:

You're going to have to do better than that. :rolleyes:

[Kathianne]

so you followed her closely when she was MAYOR of a town of 6K people?

BULLSHIT!:laugh2:


You're going to have to do better than that. :rolleyes:

LOL! Hey he got it from MSNBC, which of course doesn't see the irony in their coverage, using a hand me down quote from the last losing Democratic contender. :laugh2:

[retiredman]

There is a totally different skill set involved between being a senator and actually running a government, whether local, state, or federal. Being a senator for 2 years has in no way prepared Obama to do anything other than be a senator for another 2 years. Actually running a city and state government makes Palin much more qualified than Obama...deal with it.

no. being the mayor of a tiny town - or a remote tiny state - does NOT give someone more qualifications to deal with the breadth of domestic and international issues facing the president than a united states senator. sorry.

different playgound altogether.

[fj1200]

no. being the mayor of a tiny town - or a remote tiny state - does NOT give someone more qualifications to deal with the breadth of domestic and international issues facing the president than a united states senator. sorry.

different playgound altogether.

Length of experience v. length of experience aside, the American people generally vote for a governor for President, not Senators. Senators are useless compromising meddling politicians, governors run things and balance budgets.

[Kathianne]

no. being the mayor of a tiny town - or a remote tiny state - does NOT give someone more qualifications to deal with the breadth of domestic and international issues facing the president than a united states senator. sorry.

different playgound altogether.

Ah but she was not only the mayor of tiny town, she is governor of lightly populated state, which shares borders with two countries, one of which is not among our best friends.

While her access to intelligence briefings would not be at the level of Biden, it is probably well above average for governors:


http://www.airdefenseartillery.com/online/Extracts/Missile%20Defense%20System%20Goes%20Operational.pd f

More here:

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2008/08/commanding-the.html

[retiredman]

Ah but she was not only the mayor of tiny town, she is governor of lightly populated state, which shares borders with two countries, one of which is not among our best friends.

While her access to intelligence briefings would not be at the level of Biden, it is probably well above average for governors:


http://www.airdefenseartillery.com/online/Extracts/Missile%20Defense%20System%20Goes%20Operational.pd f

More here:

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2008/08/commanding-the.html

not on a par with Biden. thank you for making my point.

[retiredman]

Length of experience v. length of experience aside, the American people generally vote for a governor for President, not Senators. Senators are useless compromising meddling politicians, governors run things and balance budgets.


when's the last time America voted for a woman for president or vice president who was a governor of a sparsely populated state with less than two years on the job?

[fj1200]

when's the last time America voted for a woman for president or vice president who was a governor of a sparsely populated state with less than two years on the job?

Way to completely miss the point... :lame2:

[retiredman]

Way to completely miss the point... :lame2:

I missed nothing. you just can't debate. sorry.

who america votes for for president and who a presidential candidate choses as his running mate are not the same subject.

[Kathianne]

not on a par with Biden. thank you for making my point.

:rolleyes: Unlike you, I try to be rational most of the time regarding qualifications, etc. Palin has executive experience, obviously more military and foreign affairs than one would guess at first glance.

Obama, as Hillary pointed out, has an election to the Senate, one speech, and has been basically running for president since. His record in IL would be abysmal if not for Emil Jones feeding him legislation and putting Obama's name on it. Even with it, his 'present' votes point to problems, same in Senate.

I don't go out of my way to turn a mistake in reading into a way to win at 'gotcha.' Nor do I constantly try to game you into a corner. You think others are against you because of your politics, you're wrong. It's because of you, not your politics.

[Yurt]

It is not making me crazy in the least. I just had dinner last night with a Naval Academy classmate of mine from Texas who was in Maine to drop his daughter off at Bowdoin College... he and his wife are moderate independents and, without any prompting from me, they both were quite vocal in their disbelief that McCain had picked someone so incredibly inexperienced. They both said that such a move took the "Obama is inexperienced" argument completely out of McCain's arsenal... and they both thought that was incredibly stupid of him to do so. Methinks that you are placing a lot of importance about how internet republican politics junkies look at Palin and are unrealistically extrapolating such enthusiasm to the general population when I am not sure such exuberance is warranted.

wow, so you know two people who said so, ergo, it must be so :poke:

why is it not a single lib can show us how obama has more experience than palin? and mfm is quite wrong that obama has been a us senator for almost two years, bullcrap, he has been running for office for almost two years, NOT being a senator.

[retiredman]

:rolleyes: Unlike you, I try to be rational most of the time regarding qualifications, etc. Palin has executive experience, obviously more military and foreign affairs than one would guess at first glance.

Obama, as Hillary pointed out, has an election to the Senate, one speech, and has been basically running for president since. His record in IL would be abysmal if not for Emil Jones feeding him legislation and putting Obama's name on it. Even with it, his 'present' votes point to problems, same in Senate.

I don't go out of my way to turn a mistake in reading into a way to win at 'gotcha.' Nor do I constantly try to game you into a corner. You think others are against you because of your politics, you're wrong. It's because of you, not your politics.

this isn't a discussion about Obama's qualifications....it is a discussion about Palin's qualifiecations. Are you really going to suggest that, if McCain was not lying, that Palin was the BEST qualified person out there, given McCain's statement that the MOST important qualification was the ability to fill the job of president on day two?

[Kathianne]

this isn't a discussion about Obama's qualifications....it is a discussion about Palin's qualifiecations. Are you really going to suggest that, if McCain was not lying, that Palin was the BEST qualified person out there, given McCain's statement that the MOST important qualification was the ability to fill the job of president on day two?

Asked and answered on another thread. You are repeating yourself. It's not getting more effective either. :rolleyes:

[Yurt]

obama's own veep choice says obama is NOT ready to be president....

It was Biden who suggested in an August, 2007, debate that, "I think (Obama) can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training."
Challenged on that statement, the senator said he stood by it

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters/347605


:laugh2:

[fj1200]

I missed nothing. you just can't debate. sorry.

who america votes for for president and who a presidential candidate choses as his running mate are not the same subject.

You were so far left of target I can only laugh. The singular point I made was experience aside, voters choose governors to be president because they show accomplishment. You couldn't even acknowledge that simple fact which shows me you refuse to debate.

[retiredman]

You were so far left of target I can only laugh. The singular point I made was experience aside, voters choose governors to be president because they show accomplishment. You couldn't even acknowledge that simple fact which shows me you refuse to debate.

voters chose governors over senators? I wonder why democrats chose a senator (Obama) over a governor (Richardson) and the republicans chose a senator (McCain) over two governors (Huckabee and Romney)?????
can you explain that?

[fj1200]

this isn't a discussion about Obama's qualifications....it is a discussion about Palin's qualifiecations. Are you really going to suggest that, if McCain was not lying, that Palin was the BEST qualified person out there, given McCain's statement that the MOST important qualification was the ability to fill the job of president on day two?

The BEST qualified person to be VP out there is Cheney but is that the primary criteria? Of course not, McCain is not planning on dying so the best applicant is someone who helps to get elected and (hopefully) someone who will help the president with his policies. If she can effectively work the legislature and talk to the American people, she's more than qualified.

[retiredman]

The BEST qualified person to be VP out there is Cheney but is that the primary criteria? Of course not, McCain is not planning on dying so the best applicant is someone who helps to get elected and (hopefully) someone who will help the president with his policies. If she can effectively work the legislature and talk to the American people, she's more than qualified.

McCain is on record as saying that the primary and most important qualification for a vice presidential running mate is the ability to step into the office on a moment's notice. His criteria. Under that criteria, she is clearly not his best choice. deal with it.

oh...and take a stab at #35 while you're at it.

[Kathianne]

McCain is on record as saying that the primary and most important qualification for a vice presidential running mate is the ability to step into the office on a moment's notice. His criteria. Under that criteria, she is clearly not his best choice. deal with it.

Really don't know how one will act in office, until they are in office. LBJ was considered the consummate legislator, but a racist prick, Kennedy's loathed him. He did manage to get Kennedy's programs through as president...

[retiredman]

Really don't know how one will act in office, until they are in office. LBJ was considered the consummate legislator, but a racist prick, Kennedy's loathed him. He did manage to get Kennedy's programs through as president...

McCain's own criteria.... are you suggesting that Palin is better qualified than all the other possible choices to step into the presidency on a moment's notice? really?? And if not, why aren't you critical of McCain for not following his own criteria?

[fj1200]

voters chose governors over senators? I wonder why democrats chose a senator (Obama) over a governor (Richardson) and the republicans chose a senator (McCain) over two governors (Huckabee and Romney)?????
can you explain that?

Strike 2... Primaries are different.

We were discussing the November election as you'll recall; Bush beats Kerry, Bush beats Gore (former Senator), Clinton beat Dole, Reagan beat Mondale, Carter beat Ford (House of Rep though), Nixon beat McGovern, Nixon beat Humphrey. The only governors that didn't win was Dukakis against a sitting VP and Carter losing to another governor.

[Yurt]

why is it the libs are dissing palin on experience when they can't show how obama has any more experience than her? the more they diss on palin's experience, the worse it looks for obama...and his veep doesn't even believe he has the necessary experience to be prez!

[retiredman]

Strike 2... Primaries are different.

We were discussing the November election as you'll recall; Bush beats Kerry, Bush beats Gore (former Senator), Clinton beat Dole, Reagan beat Mondale, Carter beat Ford (House of Rep though), Nixon beat McGovern, Nixon beat Humphrey. The only governors that didn't win was Dukakis against a sitting VP and Carter losing to another governor.

point being: who gives a fuck about that when the two choices are senators? Do you have any data that shows how governors as VP selections have assisted the top of the ticket more than senators have?


I'll wait.

[IrishCop]

It is not making me crazy in the least. I just had dinner last night with a Naval Academy classmate of mine from Texas who was in Maine to drop his daughter off at Bowdoin College... he and his wife are moderate independents and, without any prompting from me, they both were quite vocal in their disbelief that McCain had picked someone so incredibly inexperienced. They both said that such a move took the "Obama is inexperienced" argument completely out of McCain's arsenal... and they both thought that was incredibly stupid of him to do so. Methinks that you are placing a lot of importance about how internet republican politics junkies look at Palin and are unrealistically extrapolating such enthusiasm to the general population when I am not sure such exuberance is warranted.
I can assure you that I do love the choice of Sarah Palin. Out of the box, unexpected and far from politically safe, I think it adds a dimension to McCain's campaign that is welcomed by the people of this country. And it's not just me. My wife, both of my adult daughters and my conservative co-workers are thrilled with his choice. Yes, it took the "inexperience" ammo out of his magazine (to use a gun metaphor), but Obama's people can't use it either. Hey, just think! They might have to talk about issues instead! What a concept!

[fj1200]

point being: who gives a fuck about that when the two choices are senators? Do you have any data that shows how governors as VP selections have assisted the top of the ticket more than senators have?


I'll wait.

aaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnddddddddddd Strike 3. Then Obama loses the experience war if you throw out the VP selections.

hmmmm, the only governor I can think of to win as VP was Nixon going back to post WWII. and Agnew.

ps, such language for a member of the religious left. :clap:

[fj1200]

point being: who gives a fuck.

But I guess the original point of this whole thread was Camlle Paglia's opinion.


“We may be seeing the first woman president. As a Democrat, I am reeling,” said Camille Paglia, the cultural critic. “That was the best political speech I have ever seen delivered by an American woman politician. Palin is as tough as nails.”

[Sitarro]

It is not making me crazy in the least. I just had dinner last night with a Naval Academy classmate of mine from Texas who was in Maine to drop his daughter off at Bowdoin College... he and his wife are moderate independents and, without any prompting from me, they both were quite vocal in their disbelief that McCain had picked someone so incredibly inexperienced. They both said that such a move took the "Obama is inexperienced" argument completely out of McCain's arsenal... and they both thought that was incredibly stupid of him to do so. Methinks that you are placing a lot of importance about how internet republican politics junkies look at Palin and are unrealistically extrapolating such enthusiasm to the general population when I am not sure such exuberance is warranted.

The fact that these two had dinner with you disqualifies them from having any taste or intelligence. Why would anyone care what a couple of misinformed dimwits, who obviously don't care how they spend their time, have to say?:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

What I can't wait to see is the debate between her and Biden. She will bait that arrogant shit into making a bigger fool out of himself than he does on his own. It will really be funny when the question about why Congress refuses to allow American companies to explore for oil reserves in NWAR...... his hairplugs may pop out.:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:
He is a twat and will get more and more bitter before the race ends. I could read his mind as he smiled that ass kiss smile at his leader, Osama. " what the fuck am I doing here getting upstaged by this semi-black punk junior Senator, I was voting for earmarks before they were called that, before this boy made it out of high school and he's my boss?????":laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[PostmodernProphet]

... he and his wife are moderate independents and, without any prompting from me, they both were quite vocal in their disbelief that McCain had picked someone so incredibly inexperienced. They both said that such a move took the "Obama is inexperienced" argument completely out of McCain's arsenal... .

I take it then that they considered Obama's inexperience troubling.......

[PostmodernProphet]

AND HOW SHE SUPPORTED THE BRIDGE TO NOWHERE BEFORE SHE OPPOSED IT?:laugh2:

at least she didn't flip to a flop, but flipped from a flop......

[PostmodernProphet]

no. being the mayor of a tiny town - or a remote tiny state - does NOT give someone more qualifications to deal with the breadth of domestic and international issues facing the president than a united states senator. sorry.

different playgound altogether.

how much experience did Obama garner in his 150 days of active federal service......

[PostmodernProphet]

this isn't a discussion about Obama's qualifications....it is a discussion about Palin's qualifiecations. Are you really going to suggest that, if McCain was not lying, that Palin was the BEST qualified person out there, given McCain's statement that the MOST important qualification was the ability to fill the job of president on day two?

let's put it this way.....if the choice was between Obama being McCain's VP or Palin being McCain's VP, I would say Palin was more qualified.....in fact I don't think Obama is fit to be McCain's VP.......

[PostmodernProphet]

voters chose governors over senators? I wonder why democrats chose a senator (Obama) over a governor (Richardson) and the republicans chose a senator (McCain) over two governors (Huckabee and Romney)?????
can you explain that?

good lord the answer is obvious....Democrats have ALWAYS been idiots......

[retiredman]

I take it then that they considered Obama's inexperience troubling.......

again...VOTERS have VOTED for Obama and chosen him over a field of other candidates. McCain has SELECTED Palin without input from voters.

You can't possibly be this dense. This has gotta be an act.

[fj1200]

again...VOTERS have VOTED for Obama and chosen him over a field of other candidates. McCain has SELECTED Palin without input from voters.

You can't possibly be this dense. This has gotta be an act.

That's an excellent dissertation on the modern method of selecting the VP candidate. Obama SELECTED Biden because the voters overwhelmingly REJECTED him... at least twice.

[Yurt]

how much experience did Obama garner in his 150 days of active federal service......

none, even his VP says he is not qualified to serve as president, as the job does not lend itself to on the job training. it is intellectual bankruptcy to claim biden is a better pick than palin. i mean biden was thoroughly rejected by the voters, with less than 2%, yet obama picks him despite the dem voters wholly rejecting him. it is not as if he came in a close second. further, biden is racist.

[retiredman]

That's an excellent dissertation on the modern method of selecting the VP candidate. Obama SELECTED Biden because the voters overwhelmingly REJECTED him... at least twice.

Again...Obama chose his running mate for what he could bring to the adminstration, not for what he could bring to the election.

[Abbey Marie]

Again...Obama chose his running mate for what he could bring to the adminstration, not for what he could bring to the election.

Geez, even a child who is paying attention can see that Obama chose Biden because he desperately needs to add experience to the ticket. His paltry 143 day resume is a huge negative and a detriment to his campaign.

[emmett]

Geez, even a child who is paying attention can see that Obama chose Biden because he desperately needs to add experience to the ticket. His paltry 143 day resume is a huge negative and a detriment to his campaign.


You know what Abster, not really! The folks that are going to vote for him will vote for him anyway. The election will be determined by how many folks can be convinced to come out and vote for McCain.

Followers of BO are not as interested in facts or qualifications as they are who will scream their sentiments. Who will preach their jargin.

[PostmodernProphet]

again...VOTERS have VOTED for Obama and chosen him over a field of other candidates. McCain has SELECTED Palin without input from voters.

You can't possibly be this dense. This has gotta be an act.

gods if any of those voters were as fucked up as the liberals posting here the last two days, who gives a shit how many of them voted for Obama.....the bullshit I have seen here have pissed me off so much I made a contribution to McCain's election campaign.....

[retiredman]

gods if any of those voters were as fucked up as the liberals posting here the last two days, who gives a shit how many of them voted for Obama.....the bullshit I have seen here have pissed me off so much I made a contribution to McCain's election campaign.....

insulting me will do wonders.

congratulations.

I hope Obama nominates Hillary to the USSC.

[emmett]

again...VOTERS have VOTED for Obama and chosen him over a field of other candidates. McCain has SELECTED Palin without input from voters.

You can't possibly be this dense. This has gotta be an act.


Obama selected Joe Biden against the will of Democratic voters. What's your point?

Biden - less than 1% in primary
Clinton - a majority of popular vote

If your logic from above holds true then you agree your candidate also defied the wishes of his party's constituancy....right?

[retiredman]

Obama selected Joe Biden against the will of Democratic voters. What's your point?

Biden - less than 1% in primary
Clinton - a majority of popular vote

If your logic from above holds true then you agree your candidate also defied the wishes of his party's constituancy....right?


bullshit. the democratic voters have never expressed their will as to who should be the vice presidential nominee. That is the sole right of the winning presidential nominee to chose that person. Obama chose one who would help him GOVERN. McCain chose one who might help him win the election, but was grossly unprepared to assume the presidency if McCain were to pass on in an untimely manner.

[Missileman]

bullshit. the democratic voters have never expressed their will as to who should be the vice presidential nominee. That is the sole right of the winning presidential nominee to chose that person. Obama chose one who would help him GOVERN. McCain chose one who might help him win the election, but was grossly unprepared to assume the presidency if McCain were to pass on in an untimely manner.

What a crock! You been screaming because McCain didn't choose the most qualified person as his running mate...don't look now, but your double standard is showing again. More people thought Hillary more qualified than Biden to be president...your own definition means she's more qualified to be VP.

[retiredman]

What a crock! You been screaming because McCain didn't choose the most qualified person as his running mate...don't look now, but your double standard is showing again. More people thought Hillary more qualified than Biden to be president...your own definition means she's more qualified to be VP.

many people thought that...and MORE people did NOT think that. Who finishes second in the race for president is not necessarily the most qualified to partner with the winner as the vice presidential nominee.

grow up. pussy

[Yurt]

libs cannot answer how obama is more experienced than palin...libs like mfm, js, gabs, just keep digging their cult leaders political grave

[Yurt]

bullshit. the democratic voters have never expressed their will as to who should be the vice presidential nominee. That is the sole right of the winning presidential nominee to chose that person. Obama chose one who would help him GOVERN. McCain chose one who might help him win the election, but was grossly unprepared to assume the presidency if McCain were to pass on in an untimely manner.

:lol: so wtf are you bitching like a lonely crackwhore?

[Missileman]

many people thought that...and MORE people did NOT think that. Who finishes second in the race for president is not necessarily the most qualified to partner with the winner as the vice presidential nominee.

grow up. pussy

Take your insults and your double standards and jam them up your ass dickwad! It's okay in your book for Obama to choose whoever he wants for whatever reason, but not McCain.

[retiredman]

Take your insults and your double standards and jam them up your ass dickwad! It's okay in your book for Obama to choose whoever he wants for whatever reason, but not McCain.

they both can chose whoever they want....no doubt.

Obama picked a guy who could help him govern.

McCain picked a bimbo who could help him win an election.

[Yurt]

they both can chose whoever they want....no doubt.

Obama picked a guy who could help him govern.

McCain picked a bimbo who could help him win an election.

sexist asshole

and rsr is right you ARE reading our posts, LOL, you have answered at least 3 of mine indirectly today

[wbcoleman]

Even when you take out the fact that I wasn't speaking of Governor Palin, I never said that I followed Paglia's career closely, just that I have enjoyed her career......... not really a detail oriented person are you?

Why do all of you libbies continue to go all the way back to Palin's post as Mayor of Wasilla? Is that a lame attempt to try to get us to forget that she is the Governor of Alaska for almost 2 years now? Weak, even for you...... I expect that sophomoric shit from that simpleton Joey or the angry Gabalotosorous, but you, really?:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:
Obama's never been mayor of anything. (On the other hand, he is a member of Mayor Rich Daley's machi........ oops, I mean Cook County Regular Democratic Organization.

[bullypulpit]

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'Nuff said.

[theHawk]

I'm sure thats all you can say Bully. How does it feel to know that your nominee for President has less experience than a hockey mom from Wasilla?

[red states rule]

gosh... yet Obama has been a United States Senator for nearly two years now and you all don't count that for shit.....

pretty funny. keep trying to sell the rest of us on the fact that you LOVE the choice of Palin!

Yes, Obama has been in the US Senate for 2 years, but has spent 1 year of that time running for President :laugh2:

[PostmodernProphet]

bullshit. the democratic voters have never expressed their will as to who should be the vice presidential nominee. That is the sole right of the winning presidential nominee to chose that person. Obama chose one who would help him GOVERN. McCain chose one who might help him win the election, but was grossly unprepared to assume the presidency if McCain were to pass on in an untimely manner.

I'm going to surprise you, MFM.....I am going to agree with you, at least in part......the presidential nominee picks the VP that will help him the most......Obama realized that what he needed most was someone to help him govern.....so he picked Biden.....McCain, not needing help to govern was able to pick someone to help him get elected......thus, everything worked out the way it should.....Obama got someone to govern for him and McCain got someone who will get him elected......

[red states rule]

sexist asshole

and rsr is right you ARE reading our posts, LOL, you have answered at least 3 of mine indirectly today

Yes he is reading them,and he is to cowardly to respond to them directly

[fj1200]

Again...Obama chose his running mate for what he could bring to the adminstration, not for what he could bring to the election.

As did McCain.

[red states rule]

As did McCain.

and what did Biden bring to the ticket? More tax and spend lineralism?

Biden keeps the gaffes coming on a daily basis