Racism - The Only Reason Obama Will Lose

[red states rule]

With Obam tanking in the polls, the liberal media is starting to get nervious. Once again the race card is pulled from the bottom of the deck


If Obama Loses
Racism is the only reason McCain might beat him.
By Jacob Weisberg
Posted Saturday, Aug. 23, 2008, at 12:02 AM ET


What with the Bush legacy of reckless war and economic mismanagement, 2008 is a year that favors the generic Democratic candidate over the generic Republican one. Yet Barack Obama, with every natural and structural advantage in the presidential race, is running only neck-and-neck against John McCain, a sub-par Republican nominee with a list of liabilities longer than a Joe Biden monologue. Obama has built a crack political operation, raised record sums, and inspired millions with his eloquence and vision. McCain has struggled with a fractious campaign team, lacks clarity and discipline, and remains a stranger to charisma. Yet at the moment, the two of them appear to be tied. What gives?

If it makes you feel better, you can rationalize Obama's missing 10-point lead on the basis of Clintonite sulkiness, his slowness in responding to attacks, or the concern that Obama may be too handsome, brilliant, and cool to be elected. But let's be honest: If you break the numbers down, the reason Obama isn't ahead right now is that he trails badly among one group, older white voters. He does so for a simple reason: the color of his skin.

Much evidence points to racial prejudice as a factor that could be large enough to cost Obama the election. That warning is written all over last month's CBS/New York Times poll, which is worth examining in detail if you want a quick grasp of white America's curious sense of racial grievance. In the poll, 26 percent of whites say they have been victims of discrimination. Twenty-seven percent say too much has been made of the problems facing black people. Twenty-four percent say the country isn't ready to elect a black president. Five percent of white voters acknowledge that they, personally, would not vote for a black candidate.

http://www.slate.com/id/2198397/

[midcan5]

From personal experience and many conversations I would agree with that, but there is also the swift boat shit coming from the McCain camp creating all sorts of distorted claims that the naive are ready to believe or at least cast doubt. You should know that given your copy pastes, you're about as naive as they come.

[Little-Acorn]

The liberals' ability to find excuses for losing, is a wonder to behold. It's always the fault of angry white men, or greedy corporations, or a vast right-wing conspiracy, or colleagues of the candidate pointing out his lies (which of couorse are never lies), or in this case racism. The pattern is becoming clear: it's NEVER the Democrats' fault when they lose.

The idea that the American people keep rejecting the Democrats' ever-more-strident liberalism, big government and Nanny State devotion, is the one thing the Democrats dare not examine... because of the truth they will find if they ever go there.

[theHawk]

The liberals' ability to find excuses for losing, is a wonder to behold. It's always the fault of angry white men, or greedy corporations, or a vast right-wing conspiracy, or colleagues of the candidate pointing out his lies (which of couorse are never lies), or in this case racism. The pattern is becoming clear: it's NEVER the Democrats' fault when they lose.

The idea that the American people keep rejecting the Democrats' ever-more-strident liberalism, big government and Nanny State devotion, is the one thing the Democrats dare not examine... because of the truth they will find if they ever go there.

Yup, if the idiots would just nominate a moderate and not the furthest leftwing nut, they could easily win.

[manu1959]

From personal experience and many conversations I would agree with that, but there is also the swift boat shit coming from the McCain camp creating all sorts of distorted claims that the naive are ready to believe or at least cast doubt. You should know that given your copy pastes, you're about as naive as they come.

spoken like a true liberal....we can't win so it is someone elses fault......

it couldn't possibly be that obama is all style and no substance and your own attack dogs.....clinton and biden had already torn him down.....

[avatar4321]

The left must be very confident of an Obama loss if they are already making excuses for it.

[Immanuel]

You do mean the point that Obama is a racist and affiliated with a racist pastor don't you?

That is what will kill Obama's presidential bid. His own racism will be the end of his campaign.

Immie

[PostmodernProphet]

there are so many reasons not to like Obama....I don't know why you guys want to limit yourselves.....

[Yurt]

The left must be very confident of an Obama loss if they are already making excuses for it.

of course you are right, and to boost their chances of winning they will play the white guilt race card. until recently this tactic won many philosophical battles due to the fact that blacks were slaves in this country, racism existed heavily into even last century, and it suddenly became vogue in the latter part of last century to assuage this wrong, notwithstanding, that one never committed this wrong, by using guilt to make those who don't believe in a certain cause change their thinking because it will 'feel' right and is the 'right' thing to do and logic be damned. of course those who don't vote for obama will fall prey to this snake oil political talk because it does not require logic or facts. it only requires that one make the claim and once the claim of racism is made, society (at this point) has shifted the burden of proof on the person accused of racism to prove they are not regardless of the veracity of the claim.


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[midcan5]

I realize many here are young and many are rabid partisans but to deny the power of racism in America is to deny reality. How anyone can do that is beyond me, is it on purpose or do you genuinely think racism doesn't exist. Totally bizarre.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=76d4881e-d014-4dd6-b732-8adef23f68f4&p=1


"The open exploitation of racist sentiment by vote-hungry politicians was for centuries a durable American tradition. More recently, race has assumed a subtle, often unspoken form during campaign season, as Republicans have sought white votes by slyly associating their Democratic opponents with controversial black figures like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, or with topics--welfare, crime, federal funding for "midnight basketball"--that many voters identify with African Americans."

[No1tovote4]

It is not, however, the reason he lost so much support in the polls recently. Unless you want us to believe that suddenly all these white people who were voting for him just now realized he has darker pigmentation than they thought he did.

[red states rule]

I realize many here are young and many are rabid partisans but to deny the power of racism in America is to deny reality. How anyone can do that is beyond me, is it on purpose or do you genuinely think racism doesn't exist. Totally bizarre.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=76d4881e-d014-4dd6-b732-8adef23f68f4&p=1


"The open exploitation of racist sentiment by vote-hungry politicians was for centuries a durable American tradition. More recently, race has assumed a subtle, often unspoken form during campaign season, as Republicans have sought white votes by slyly associating their Democratic opponents with controversial black figures like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, or with topics--welfare, crime, federal funding for "midnight basketball"--that many voters identify with African Americans."

Racism does indeed exist

Wright, Jesse Jackson, Sharpton, Crazy Louie Farrakhan, Rev Moss (Wright's replacement) and all the memebrs of the liberal media telling us if we do not vote for Obama we are racists

Of course when blacks vote for Obama because he is black - that is not racism to the libbies

[Immanuel]

Racism does indeed exist

Wright, Jesse Jackson, Sharpton, Crazy Louie Farrakhan, Rev Moss (Wright's replacement) and all the memebrs of the liberal media telling us if we do not vote for Obama we are racists

Of course when blacks vote for Obama because he is black - that is not racism to the libbies

Unfortunately though for every Wright and Jackson there is at lease one member of the KKK or Arian Nation or what have you. Yes, the men you have mentioned here are racists, but to exclude whites in your reply is as bad as saying that minorities cannot possibly be racists... only whites are racist.

Immie

[red states rule]

Unfortunately though for every Wright and Jackson there is at lease one member of the KKK or Arian Nation or what have you. Yes, the men you have mentioned here are racists, but to exclude whites in your reply is as bad as saying that minorities cannot possibly be racists... only whites are racist.

Immie

I do not know of any members of the KKK or Arian Nation that are close friends to John McCain - unlike with Obama who embraces racists and terrorists

[Immanuel]

I do not know of any members of the KKK or Arian Nation that are close friends to John McCain - unlike with Obama who embraces racists and terrorists

What difference does being friends with McCain or Obama have to do with anthing?

You implied that the only racists in town were black. That's definitely not the case. You didn't limit it to the campaigns.

Immie

[red states rule]

What difference does being friends with McCain or Obama have to do with anthing?

You implied that the only racists in town were black. That's definitely not the case. You didn't limit it to the campaigns.

Immie

It goes to his judgement. Would you have a racist jerk like Wright as a friend? or a terrorist like John Ayers who blew up government buildings to protest the Viet Nam war?

In this election, so far, the only racists I have seen are on the left. They are telling us if we do not vote for Obama we are racists

Many times, the liberal media has said as much

[Immanuel]

It goes to his judgement. Would you have a racist jerk like Wright as a friend? or a terrorist like John Ayers who blew up government buildings to protest the Viet Nam war?

In this election, so far, the only racists I have seen are on the left. They are telling us if we do not vote for Obama we are racists

Many times, the liberal media has said as much

You mean you have never seen any news coverage of KKK marches?

You already know I am not voting for Obama so why ask your question? Of course, I would have a racist jerk like Obama... er... Wright as a friend, but neither would I have David Duke as a friend.

Yes, those libs who claim the only reason we won't vote for Obama is because of the color of his skin are racists. Not only that, they are 100% wrong at least with me.

Immie

[red states rule]

You mean you have never seen any news coverage of KKK marches?

You already know I am not voting for Obama so why ask your question? Of course, I would have a racist jerk like Obama... er... Wright as a friend, but neither would I have David Duke as a friend.

Yes, those libs who claim the only reason we won't vote for Obama is because of the color of his skin are racists. Not only that, they are 100% wrong at least with me.

Immie

How many of those KKK assholes are close friiends of John McCain?

I assume you mean you would not have a racist jerk like Wright as your friend. I know I would not

The point I am making is the piss poor judgement of Obama. He has surrounded himself with racists and people who hate America

[Immanuel]

How many of those KKK assholes are close friiends of John McCain?

I assume you mean you would not have a racist jerk like Wright as your friend. I know I would not

The point I am making is the piss poor judgement of Obama. He has surrounded himself with racists and people who hate America

Hehe,

I meant both Wright or Obama.

I don't know how many Senate Republicans are members of the KKK or past members.

His surrounding himself with said people is one of the major issues I have with him. You are right. It does go to his judgment. It also speaks of his personal beliefs and that bothers me. He has not shown me that he is an American at heart. I question his loyalties.

I have always had a problem with socialism. I am more than willing to have my taxes increased in order to help the poor and needy. I am not willing to give them a free ride for life.

Immie

[red states rule]

Hehe,

I meant both Wright or Obama.

I don't know how many Senate Republicans are members of the KKK or past members.

His surrounding himself with said people is one of the major issues I have with him. You are right. It does go to his judgment. It also speaks of his personal beliefs and that bothers me. He has not shown me that he is an American at heart. I question his loyalties.

I have always had a problem with socialism. I am more than willing to have my taxes increased in order to help the poor and needy. I am not willing to give them a free ride for life.

Immie


The only former KKK member is the US Congress is Robert "KKK" Byrd - who is a Dem BTW

There is no reason to raise taxes. Spending has increased under the Reid and Pelois Congress and they want to expand the handouts and pork. To pay for it, Dems want over $2 trillion is tax increases

[No1tovote4]

You mean you have never seen any news coverage of KKK marches?

You already know I am not voting for Obama so why ask your question? Of course, I would have a racist jerk like Obama... er... Wright as a friend, but neither would I have David Duke as a friend.

Yes, those libs who claim the only reason we won't vote for Obama is because of the color of his skin are racists. Not only that, they are 100% wrong at least with me.

Immie
Whether or not there is news coverage, none of the people in the KKK marches have ever been an adviser to anybody in leadership on the right. The list of people he gave have all been, at one time or another, advisers of the current candidate.

[Immanuel]

The only former KKK member is the US Congress is Robert "KKK" Byrd - who is a Dem BTW

There is no reason to raise taxes. Spending has increased under the Reid and Pelois Congress and they want to expand the handouts and pork. To pay for it, Dems want over $2 trillion is tax increases


Whether or not there is news coverage, none of the people in the KKK marches have ever been an adviser to anybody in leadership on the right. The list of people he gave have all been, at one time or another, advisers of the current candidate.

However, my point is and was, that RSR indicated that there is no such thing as a white racist. He didn't limit it to the campaign. He makes it sound as if the only racists in the world are black liberal politicians.

That simply is not the case. Racism does exist and it comes from both sides and all colors. I'm only pointing that out.

As I have already said, in fact you both quoted me saying it, I'm not voting for Obama because of his judgment and his apparent loyalties.

Early in the campaign... I was pretty sure, I would be pulling for Barack Obama in 2008. I wasn't going to vote for either party, but I was hoping Obama would win. But, now I question his loyalties to country, his impartiality towards race and what he will do to this country. We don't need more handouts. We need hands up.

As for John McCain, I have never liked that whining crybaby. I won't be voting for him. I believe his presidency will be worthless from day one. I don't think he'll change much of anything. I think he'll be loyal the the Republican Party but will not stand up to the Democratic Party when need be.

As your moniker says, "No One to Vote for". That is exactly how I feel.

Immie

[red states rule]

Immie, other then libs, who else is playing the race card in this election? I never said there are no white racists, but the only racists I see with connections to this election are on the left

[Immanuel]

Immie, other then libs, who else is playing the race card in this election? I never said there are no white racists, but the only racists I see with connections to this election are on the left

No one else is playing the race card in this election, but again, you did not initially limit your statements to this election.

I know you weren't saying there were no white racists, but that is what it sounded like.

Immie

[red states rule]

No one else is playing the race card in this election, but again, you did not initially limit your statements to this election.

I know you weren't saying there were no white racists, but that is what it sounded like.

Immie

Dems love to paint Republicans as a racist party, but the actions, and comments of libs show they are the racists

In this election the race card will be their #1 talking point

[Immanuel]

Dems love to paint Republicans as a racist party, but the actions, and comments of libs show they are the racists

In this election the race card will be their #1 talking point

No argument there.

BTW: Since I know you are not voting for Obama, do you feel like a racist? :) I know that I must be racist because I am NOT voting for him. The Dems have been telling me this for months; therefore, it must be true.

Immie

[red states rule]

No argument there.

BTW: Since I know you are not voting for Obama, do you feel like a racist? :) I know that I must be racist because I am NOT voting for him. The Dems have been telling me this for months; therefore, it must be true.

Immie

I know libs will not accept this, but I am not voting for Obama because of his polices

He is a typical tax and spend liberals with a huge ego

[Little-Acorn]

I am more than willing to have my taxes increased in order to help the poor and needy.
And that's where you make your greatest mistake.


If you want to help the poor and needy, give your money to a charity that does that. Or give it to the poor yourself. Do not, repeat not, assume government will help ANYBODY besides themselves, with your money. Their principle (and often only) use for your money, is to buy votes. If their giving a little money to the poor will buy some of their votes, giving more will buy more votes. And soon you have gigantic Welfare, Social Security, etc. programs that DO give them the free ride. Where else do you think such programs came from?

I donate regularly to charities. But there is no such thing as a government charity. Only government advantage.

[Immanuel]

I know libs will not accept this, but I am not voting for Obama because of his polices

He is a typical tax and spend liberals with a huge ego

That didn't answer my question. :lol:

I don't know about the ego part although you may be right. I don't get the feeling that he is anywhere near as arrogant as most Senators either Democrat or Republican. I do feel that he is naive and a liar when he talks about being "one of us".

Yes, he is a typical tax and spend liberal. He has high hopes of improving the lives of the poor and needy. Those are worthy goals. I don't deny that. Unfortunately, I think his methods of attaining those goals will damn near ruin America and if that is the case then what good will it do for the poor and needy?

We in America need to change our government. I don't mean change the type of government, but we need to make career politicians a thing of the past.

Immie

[red states rule]

And that's where you make your greatest mistake.


If you want to help the poor and needy, give your money to a charity that does that. Or give it to the poor yourself. Do not, repeat not, assume government will help ANYBODY besides themselves, with your money. Their principle (and often only) use for your money, is to buy votes. If their giving a little money to the poor will buy some of their votes, giving more will buy more votes. And soon you have gigantic Welfare, Social Security, etc. programs that DO give them the free ride. Where else do you think such programs came from?

I donate regularly to charities. But there is no such thing as a government charity. Only government advantage.

Tax cuts will help everyone get ahead more. Libs think tax cuts are meanspirited, yet they have no problem taking 33% of the average workers paycheck in taxes

[Immanuel]

And that's where you make your greatest mistake.


If you want to help the poor and needy, give your money to a charity that does that. Or give it to the poor yourself. Do not, repeat not, assume government will help ANYBODY besides themselves, with your money. Their principle (and often only) use for your money, is to buy votes. If their giving a little money to the poor will buy some of their votes, giving more will buy more votes. And soon you have gigantic Welfare, Social Security, etc. programs that DO give them the free ride. Where else do you think such programs came from?

I donate regularly to charities. But there is no such thing as a government charity. Only government advantage.

Oh don't get me wrong, I don't believe the government does any good with the taxes it collects that are supposed to go to the needy. The intention may be there but what little bit actually trickles down to those who really need it is minimal. It doesn't work because to many politicians stick their greedy hands into the pot and leave nothing for those who need it.

I said I have no problem with paying more in taxes to help the poor. I didn't say more taxes actually help the poor. There is the problem.

Social Security was a good idea. Its time has come. Social Security would work today if it were privitized, although there would need to be a weaning from the full system in order to provide for those to whom the government lied to all their lives and who now have nothing to fall back on except for SS.

Welfare would be a good idea as well except for the bureaucratic hands that take their cuts and the fact that many recipients cheat the system. Welfare should be a helping hand not a free gift for people who don't want to go to work.

Immie

[red states rule]

Oh don't get me wrong, I don't believe the government does any good with the taxes it collects that are supposed to go to the needy. The intention may be there but what little bit actually trickles down to those who really need it is minimal. It doesn't work because to many politicians stick their greedy hands into the pot and leave nothing for those who need it.

I said I have no problem with paying more in taxes to help the poor. I didn't say more taxes actually help the poor. There is the problem.

Social Security was a good idea. Its time has come. Social Security would work today if it were privitized, although there would need to be a weaning from the full system in order to provide for those to whom the government lied to all their lives and who now have nothing to fall back on except for SS.

Welfare would be a good idea as well except for the bureaucratic hands that take their cuts and the fact that many recipients cheat the system. Welfare should be a helping hand not a free gift for people who don't want to go to work.

Immie

Another big government tax and spend lib speaks. We are a bunch of greedy people

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=17191

[Immanuel]

Another big government tax and spend lib speaks. We are a bunch of greedy people

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=17191

I saw that thread.

I'll have to wait until I hear what he actually said before I comment on it. From what I read, I'd say the guy is an idiot, as from what I can tell we are the most generous country in the world, but then blogs are not my favorite place to get news so I will wait until I at least hear some sound bites on this one.

Immie

[red states rule]

I saw that thread.

I'll have to wait until I hear what he actually said before I comment on it. From what I read, I'd say the guy is an idiot, as from what I can tell we are the most generous country in the world, but then blogs are not my favorite place to get news so I will wait until I at least hear some sound bites on this one.

Immie


Here is the direct link

http://www.wspd.com/pages/fredstop10.html

[Classact]

I don't think race has anything to do with Obama's low polling but rather him screwing over Hillary. Today he bounced back by eight points following Hillary and Bill company going on their knees to the chosen one.

I think he will start to rise in the polls until he and McCain have a face to face debate. McCain can do debates and Obama can almost be limited to grunts and ah's when he has to work away from a teleprompter to guide him, and he almost always says something stupid when he is away from his talking points.

[avatar4321]

I realize many here are young and many are rabid partisans but to deny the power of racism in America is to deny reality. How anyone can do that is beyond me, is it on purpose or do you genuinely think racism doesn't exist. Totally bizarre.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=76d4881e-d014-4dd6-b732-8adef23f68f4&p=1


"The open exploitation of racist sentiment by vote-hungry politicians was for centuries a durable American tradition. More recently, race has assumed a subtle, often unspoken form during campaign season, as Republicans have sought white votes by slyly associating their Democratic opponents with controversial black figures like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, or with topics--welfare, crime, federal funding for "midnight basketball"--that many voters identify with African Americans."

The only power racism has over people is the power they give it.

[Immanuel]

Here is the direct link

http://www.wspd.com/pages/fredstop10.html

Thanks for the link, but I am at a place that I cannot listen at the moment.

I'll try to catch it later.


I don't think race has anything to do with Obama's low polling but rather him screwing over Hillary. Today he bounced back by eight points following Hillary and Bill company going on their knees to the chosen one.

I think he will start to rise in the polls until he and McCain have a face to face debate. McCain can do debates and Obama can almost be limited to grunts and ah's when he has to work away from a teleprompter to guide him, and he almost always says something stupid when he is away from his talking points.

You mean like introducing Joe Biden as the next President of the United States?

Talk about confused? Wasn't that his claim that McCain was too confused to be President if he didn't know how many houses he owned?

Immie

[Little-Acorn]

I said I have no problem with paying more in taxes to help the poor. I didn't say more taxes actually help the poor. There is the problem.
To put it mildly. That's like saying you have no problem going to Hell, it's just that it might be too hot to be comfortable.


Social Security was a good idea.

Welfare would be a good idea
Those two "ideas" were not that people would get help. Those "ideas" were that GOVERNMENT would help them. As such, they were NEVER good ideas. They were the worst ideas possible, as history has borne out. And no "modification" could improve them, except the "modification" of getting government completely out of them. At that point, they would no longer be Social Security and Welfare.

[red states rule]

Thanks for the link, but I am at a place that I cannot listen at the moment.

I'll try to catch it later.



You mean like introducing Joe Biden as the next President of the United States?

Talk about confused? Wasn't that his claim that McCain was too confused to be President if he didn't know how many houses he owned?

Immie

Without a teleprompter Obama is lost. When he has to ad lib and answer, he stumbles around searching for what he thinks are the words his base wants to hear

When he is reaaly stuck, he makes shit up. Like how family members liberated Nazi concentration camps

[Little-Acorn]

McCain can do debates and Obama can almost be limited to grunts and ah's when he has to work away from a teleprompter to guide him, and he almost always says something stupid when he is away from his talking points.

Don't get your hopes up on that.

Politicians have long had the technique of memorizing stock answers to expected questions... and they have large staffs to divine what questions will probably be asked.

And if an unexpected question does get asked, the standard dodge is to say something like, "That's a good question, thank you for asking it. It reminds me of...", followed by the recital of a stock memorized answer to whatever question was closest to that one, which keeps the politician talking until he runs out of time.

Debate conduct is a cut-and-tried kabuki dance. Don't expect it to deviate from the usual script. Obama will be WELL prepared.

[Classact]

Without a teleprompter Obama is lost. When he has to ad lib and answer, he stumbles around searching for what he thinks are the words his base wants to hear

When he is reaaly stuck, he makes shit up. Like how family members liberated Nazi concentration campsMcCain needs to remind everyone about inviting Obama to multiple town-hall debates and point out Obama's fear of the common man when the common man is offered another side of the debate.