View Full Version : Why Is The Election So Close?
red states rule
08-18-2008, 10:50 AM
Months ago when Obama defeated hillary for the nomination, the left were so cocky they were going to stroll into the White House without breaking a sweat
Obama had about 320 Electoral College votes, and double digit lead in the polls
Now, Obama's lead is gone, and he has a only 275 Electoral College votes based on current polls
What happened to the messiah?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10
midcan5
08-18-2008, 10:59 AM
Racism and the power of propaganda over people who don't have the time to investigate phony deceptive information. How many still believe Iraq had something to do with 911? Lots. How many think Obama is Muslim? Lots. Sad that conservative MSM is so slanted.
"According to a July New York Times/CBS News poll, when whites were asked whether they would be willing to vote for a black candidate, 5 percent confessed that they would not. That’s not so bad, right? But wait. The pollsters then rephrased the question to get a more accurate portrait of the sentiment. They asked the same whites if most of the people they knew would vote for a black candidate. Nineteen percent said that those they knew would not. Depending on how many people they know and how well they know them, this universe of voters could be substantial. That’s bad."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/09/opinion/09blow.html?scp=1&sq=%93Racism%20and%20the%20Race,%94%20by%20Charles %20M.%20Blow%20&st=cse
red states rule
08-18-2008, 11:03 AM
Racism and the power of propaganda over people who don't have the time to investigate phony deceptive information. How many still believe Iraq had something to do with 911? Lots. How many think Obama is Muslim? Lots. Sad that conservative MSM is so slanted.
"According to a July New York Times/CBS News poll, when whites were asked whether they would be willing to vote for a black candidate, 5 percent confessed that they would not. That’s not so bad, right? But wait. The pollsters then rephrased the question to get a more accurate portrait of the sentiment. They asked the same whites if most of the people they knew would vote for a black candidate. Nineteen percent said that those they knew would not. Depending on how many people they know and how well they know them, this universe of voters could be substantial. That’s bad."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/09/opinion/09blow.html?scp=1&sq=%93Racism%20and%20the%20Race,%94%20by%20Charles %20M.%20Blow%20&st=cse
Ah, a lib played the race card on very first reply. Why is it when a black lib loses it is racism, but when a black liberal wins the voters made the right call?
When 95% of blacks say they are voting for the black liberal, the left has no problem with their racism?
Perahps the election is close because voters are seeing Obama is not the new type of politican the left billed him as. They see him for what he really is. A tax and spend liberal with no experience, and no new ideas
stephanie
08-18-2008, 11:04 AM
Racism and the power of propaganda over people who don't have the time to investigate phony deceptive information. How many still believe Iraq had something to do with 911? Lots. How many think Obama is Muslim? Lots. Sad that conservative MSM is so slanted.
"According to a July New York Times/CBS News poll, when whites were asked whether they would be willing to vote for a black candidate, 5 percent confessed that they would not. That’s not so bad, right? But wait. The pollsters then rephrased the question to get a more accurate portrait of the sentiment. They asked the same whites if most of the people they knew would vote for a black candidate. Nineteen percent said that those they knew would not. Depending on how many people they know and how well they know them, this universe of voters could be substantial. That’s bad."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/09/opinion/09blow.html?scp=1&sq=%93Racism%20and%20the%20Race,%94%20by%20Charles %20M.%20Blow%20&st=cse
I'd vote for a black President who wasn't a flaming Marxist..too bad you all put in the boy wonder..I bet you all are wishing for the Shrillery by now..:coffee:
midcan5
08-18-2008, 11:05 AM
Ah, a lib played the race card on very first reply. Why is it when a black lib loses it is racism, but when a black liberal wins the voters made the right call?
When 95% of blacks say they are voting for the black liberal, the left has no problem with their racism?
Perahps the election is close because voters are seeing Obama is not the new type of politican the left billed him as. They see him for what he really is. A tax and spend liberal with no experience, and no new ideas
We are not measuring levels of racism here, we are recognizing it for what it is. Sorry these things confuse you.
red states rule
08-18-2008, 11:09 AM
We are not measuring levels of racism here, we are recognizing it for what it is. Sorry these things confuse you.
So it boils down it if you do not vote for Obama you are a racist according to the Obamabots
Forget about his racist rants in his books
Forget about his terrorist friends
Forget about his racist pastor
Forget how he wants to raise taxes
Forget how he wants to increase spending
Forget how he wants government run healthcare
Forget how he wants amnesty for illegals
Forget how he is soft on terrorism
Little-Acorn
08-18-2008, 11:13 AM
Months ago when Obama defeated hillary for the nomination, the left were so cocky they were going to stroll into the White House without breaking a sweat
Obama had about 320 Electoral College votes, and double digit lead in the polls
Now, Obama's lead is gone, and he has a only 275 Electoral College votes based on current polls
What happened to the messiah?
Basically two things:
1.) More and more people are coming to realize that his rhetoric about "Change we can believe in", "Yes We Can", etc., are just that: rhetoric, with no substance.
2.) People are coming to see that he is just another liberal, more extreme than most, who wants to raise taxes, expand government control, expand the Nanny State, and misread or ignore foreign policy issues. Every time someone this liberal has run for the Presidency, he has lost in a landslide, unless his opponent has been a quasi-liberal in turn or has major problems of his own (See McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis).
It's actually not surprising that Obama isn't leading. What's surprising, is that he isn't losing by a similar landslide... yet. But it's still three months before the election... there's plenty of time for voters to find out more about him. His only hope is that they also find out more and more about the quasi-liberal-ness of his opponent. But in this case, Obama is so much more extreme than his opponent, that even a direct comparison bodes no good for him.
red states rule
08-18-2008, 11:15 AM
Basically two things:
1.) More and more people are coming to realize that his rhetoric about "Change we can believe in", "Yes We Can", etc., are just that: rhetoric, with no substance.
2.) People are coming to see that he is just another liberal, more extreme than most, who wants to raise taxes, expand government control, expand the Nanny State, and misread or ignore foreign policy issues. Every time someone this liberal has run for the Presidency, he has lost in a landslide, unless his opponent has been a quasi-liberal in turn or has major problems of his own (See McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis).
It's actually not surprising that Obama isn't leading. What's surprising, is that he isn't losing by a similar landslide... yet. But it's still three months before the election... there's plenty of time for voters to find out more about him. His only hope is that they also find out more and more about the quasi-liberal-ness of his opponent. But in this case, Obama is so much more extreme than his opponent, that even a direct comparison bodes no good for him.
Bingo
People are seeing Obama is out of his league. He is a raw rookie who is indecisive and nothing more then a blue nosed arrogant liberal
theHawk
08-18-2008, 11:58 AM
We are not measuring levels of racism here, we are recognizing it for what it is. Sorry these things confuse you.
We are measuring levels of racism. The racism of Rev Wright, Michelle O and of Barry himself. There is plenty of racism in this campaign, plenty of anti-white racism.
red states rule
08-18-2008, 12:00 PM
We are measuring levels of racism. The racism of Rev Wright, Michelle O and of Barry himself. There is plenty of racism in this campaign, plenty of anti-white racism.
http://lh4.ggpht.com/lucifres/SBn85X_xrMI/AAAAAAAABBE/x8PdeFebQbE/reverend-wright%5B3%5D.jpg
retiredman
08-18-2008, 12:01 PM
I'd vote for a black President who wasn't a flaming Marxist..too bad you all put in the boy wonder..I bet you all are wishing for the Shrillery by now..:coffee:
you don't even know what the word "Marxist" means.:laugh2:
red states rule
08-18-2008, 12:02 PM
you don't even know what the word "Marxist" means.:laugh2:
No comment on your guy's falling poll numbers? You were so giddy a few weeks ago when Obama had over 320 Electoral College votes - how do you feel now?
Kathianne
08-18-2008, 12:11 PM
Racism and the power of propaganda over people who don't have the time to investigate phony deceptive information. How many still believe Iraq had something to do with 911? Lots. How many think Obama is Muslim? Lots. Sad that conservative MSM is so slanted.
"According to a July New York Times/CBS News poll, when whites were asked whether they would be willing to vote for a black candidate, 5 percent confessed that they would not. That’s not so bad, right? But wait. The pollsters then rephrased the question to get a more accurate portrait of the sentiment. They asked the same whites if most of the people they knew would vote for a black candidate. Nineteen percent said that those they knew would not. Depending on how many people they know and how well they know them, this universe of voters could be substantial. That’s bad."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/09/opinion/09blow.html?scp=1&sq=%93Racism%20and%20the%20Race,%94%20by%20Charles %20M.%20Blow%20&st=cse
Hmm, we attribute worse behavior to others than to ourselves? Known phenomenon in polling, "Are you in better financial condition than 1 year ago?" Inevitably the majority are 'yes.' Ask, "Are the people you know in better financial condition than a year ago?" That would be a no, Alex.
Same thing here, they didn't get the answer they wanted, so let the polled through racism assumption onto others. Sheesh.
Monkeybone
08-18-2008, 12:19 PM
Hmm, we attribute worse behavior to others than to ourselves? Known phenomenon in polling, "Are you in better financial condition than 1 year ago?" Inevitably the majority are 'yes.' Ask, "Are the people you know in better financial condition than a year ago?" That would be a no, Alex.
Same thing here, they didn't get the answer they wanted, so they polled through racism by assumption onto others. Sheesh.
exactly, you can make a poll say just about anything you want. trying to drum up some guilt votes. " But..I don't wanna be racist...."
red states rule
08-18-2008, 04:11 PM
http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/141329.jpg
Abbey Marie
08-18-2008, 04:34 PM
Racism and the power of propaganda over people who don't have the time to investigate phony deceptive information. How many still believe Iraq had something to do with 911? Lots. How many think Obama is Muslim? Lots. Sad that conservative MSM is so slanted.
"According to a July New York Times/CBS News poll, when whites were asked whether they would be willing to vote for a black candidate, 5 percent confessed that they would not. That’s not so bad, right? But wait. The pollsters then rephrased the question to get a more accurate portrait of the sentiment. They asked the same whites if most of the people they knew would vote for a black candidate. Nineteen percent said that those they knew would not. Depending on how many people they know and how well they know them, this universe of voters could be substantial. That’s bad."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/09/opinion/09blow.html?scp=1&sq=%93Racism%20and%20the%20Race,%94%20by%20Charles %20M.%20Blow%20&st=cse
What a bogus poll question! I don't even know how some family members will vote, let alone "most people I know". :lame2:
red states rule
08-18-2008, 04:36 PM
What a bogus poll question! I don't even know how some family members will vote, let alone "most people I know". :lame2:
Ditto
I know how my liberal friends will vote - and that is about it
midcan5
08-19-2008, 09:43 AM
So it boils down it if you do not vote for Obama you are a racist according to the Obamabots
Forget about his racist rants in his books
Forget about his terrorist friends
Forget about his racist pastor
Forget how he wants to raise taxes
Forget how he wants to increase spending
Forget how he wants government run healthcare
Forget how he wants amnesty for illegals
Forget how he is soft on terrorism
In order:
And you have read them?
And who are they?
And you know that how?
I hope so.
Not sure what that is supposed to mean?
Needs to, corporations will rob and steal as they do now.
You really want to raise prices?
Soft on a noun?
red states rule
08-19-2008, 09:47 AM
In order:
And you have read them?
And who are they?
And you know that how?
I hope so.
Not sure what that is supposed to mean?
Needs to, corporations will rob and steal as they do now.
You really want to raise prices?
Soft on a noun?
In order
Yes, i have read his racist comments in hios boooks
Bill Ayers who blew up government buildings to protest the Viet Nam war
I saw the racist rants Wrights made from the pulpit
We are over taxed. The top 1% makes 17% of the income but pays 40% of the federal income taxes
Obama's new spending programs are no over $1 trillion
So now we let them in and increase the demand on government handouts, and reward law breaking?
Terrorist groups are backing Obama because they know we will do nothing to them
MtnBiker
08-19-2008, 10:01 AM
Regardless of historical black voting trends, did the NY Times pollsters ask blacks any racially motivated questions? or perhaps the poll was geared to support their forgone conclusion.
Kathianne
08-19-2008, 10:05 AM
Regardless of historical black voting trends, did the NY Times pollsters ask blacks any racially motivated questions? or perhaps the poll was geared to support their forgone conclusion.
Dang, that didn't even occur to me, my bad! Excellent point on the near assumption that only whites are prejudiced.
midcan5
08-19-2008, 10:07 AM
Racism and the power of propaganda over people who don't have the time to investigate phony deceptive information. How many still believe Iraq had something to do with 911? Lots. How many think Obama is Muslim? Lots. Sad that conservative MSM is so slanted.
"According to a July New York Times/CBS News poll, when whites were asked whether they would be willing to vote for a black candidate, 5 percent confessed that they would not. That’s not so bad, right? But wait. The pollsters then rephrased the question to get a more accurate portrait of the sentiment. They asked the same whites if most of the people they knew would vote for a black candidate. Nineteen percent said that those they knew would not. Depending on how many people they know and how well they know them, this universe of voters could be substantial. That’s bad."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/09/opinion/09blow.html?scp=1&sq=%93Racism%20and%20the%20Race,%94%20by%20Charles %20M.%20Blow%20&st=cse
More negative reps from the board fascists.
Weird that people like Yurt and RSR give you negative reputation for trying to be honest about a complex topic. Intolerant of complex ideas, such people are why societies sometimes function so poorly and make bad choices, strange that even on something so simple as a message board you see how difficult representational democracy can be when faced with issues that are complex and confusing. Conservatism requires security but life just isn't the way they want it - never will be.
MtnBiker
08-19-2008, 02:21 PM
Dang, that didn't even occur to me, my bad! Excellent point on the near assumption that only whites are prejudiced.
Here is another question. Of the black people who voted in the most recent democrat primary, what percentage of them did not vote for Obama?
Abbey Marie
08-19-2008, 02:24 PM
Here is another question. Of the black people who voted in the most recent democrat primary, what percentage of them did not vote for Obama?
I don't know, MB. Can polls even analyze a number that small?
manu1959
08-19-2008, 02:27 PM
More negative reps from the board fascists.
Weird that people like Yurt and RSR give you negative reputation for trying to be honest about a complex topic. Intolerant of complex ideas, such people are why societies sometimes function so poorly and make bad choices, strange that even on something so simple as a message board you see how difficult representational democracy can be when faced with issues that are complex and confusing. Conservatism requires security but life just isn't the way they want it - never will be.
you got dinged for a bad post and poor conclusions.....not for what you are talking about.....
but for the sake of argument....is one not allowed to express thier opinions of your posts.....are we to simply bow down and agree with you .....is free speech and right of opinion omni-directional in your political universe.........
gabosaurus
08-19-2008, 02:40 PM
What makes you think it is close? The election is still more than two months ago. Any still can happen.
Silver
08-19-2008, 02:46 PM
TERRY ANDERSON,
KRLA-AM 870
A BLACK LOS ANGELES TALK RADIO HOST,
WENT DOWN A LIST OF THINGS SENATOR OBAMA HAS SAID THAT ARE NOT EXACTLY CORRECT.
Tuesday, May 27, 2008
Obama's Not Exactly's:
1.) Selma March Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965. (Google'Obama Selma ' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.)
2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.
3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.
4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya . It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Oba ma, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out the following link for verification of that....and for more.
Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia Muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the truth!
5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5 am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.
6.) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.
Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya , his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more....go to.....
http://www.arcadeathome.com/newsboy.phtml?Barack_Hussein_Obama_-_Arab-American,_only_6.25%25_African
7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.
4-3-08 Article 'Obama was 'quite religious in Islam'' http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559
8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - NOT EXACTLY, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).
February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as 'one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.' This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says 'Obama's narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts.'
9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - NOT EXACTLY, not one teacher says you could speak the language.
10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia , I Have More Foreign Experience - NOT EXACTLY, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn except how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.
11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - NOT EXACTLY, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.
12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - NOT EXACTLY, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine
13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - NOT EXACTLY, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.
14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - NOT EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.
15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - NOT EXACTLY, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.
16.) Voting 'Present' is Common In Illinois Senate - NOT EXACTLY, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 'NO' VOTES.
17.) Oops, I Misvoted - NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.
18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - NOT EXACTLY, you didn't write it, introduce it, change it or create it.
21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - NOT EXACTLY, it took just 14 days from start to finish.
22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - NOT EXACTLY, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.
23.) I Have Released My State Records - NOT EXACTLY, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.
24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - NOT EXACTLY, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens . You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.
25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - NOT EXACTLY, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.
26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - NOT EXACTLY, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.
27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - NOT EXACTLY, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.
28.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA - NOT EXACTLY, the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.
29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - NOT EXACTLY, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction off Israel .
30.) I Want All Votes To Count - NOT EXACTLY, you said let the delegates decide.
31.) I Want Americans To Decide - NOT EXACTLY, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.
32.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - NOT EXACTLY, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.
33.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - NOT EXACTLY, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.
34.) I Don't Take PAC Money - NOT EXACTLY, you take loads of it.
35.) I don't Have Lobbyists - NOT EXACTLY, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.
36.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - NOT EXACTLY, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.
37.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - NOT EXACTLY, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time.
38.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - NOT EXACTLY, your plan leaves us all to pay for the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it.
39.) My uncle liberated Auschwitz concentration camp - NOT EXACTLY, your mother had no brothers and the Russian army did the liberating
manu1959
08-19-2008, 02:46 PM
What makes you think it is close? The election is still more than two months ago. Any still can happen.
you living in the future again.........
MtnBiker
08-19-2008, 03:04 PM
I don't know, MB. Can polls even analyze a number that small?
Sure, here are a few examples;
In Tennessee, the division along racial lines is clear. With one exception the state's black Democratic legislators all support Obama; only state Sen. Thelma Harper supports Clinton, and Saturday's Rasmussen poll revealed Obama has the support of 71% of the state's black Democrats.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1709370,00.html?xid=feed-cnn-topics
Obama drew more than 90 percent of the vote among Pennsylvania's black voters, who are heavily concentrated around Philadelphia.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/22/pa.primary/index.html
Mississippi had 33 pledged delegates up for grabs, which will be allocated proportionally.
With 99 percent of the precincts reporting, Obama had 61 percent of the vote, compared with Clinton's 37 percent.
The state's Democratic voters were sharply divided among racial lines, exit polls indicated. Watch what the results mean »
As has been the case in many primary states, Obama won overwhelming support from African-American voters. They went for him over Clinton 91-9 percent.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/11/miss.primary/index.html
and
http://pewresearch.org/assets/publications/708-1.gif
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/708/south-carolina-primary-black-vote
It appears that blacks are subject to racially motivated voting, oh the shock and horror.
Abbey Marie
08-19-2008, 03:09 PM
It was a joke, MB. I figured the number of blacks not voting for Mr. Obamalamadingdong was around .001% ;)
MtnBiker
08-19-2008, 03:14 PM
It was a joke, MB. I figured the number of blacks not voting for Mr. Obamalamadingdong was around .001% ;)
Oh I know. I just wanted to illustrate that the black voter is subject to racially motivated voting as with any demographic. If a white voter does it, it is called racism, however it is no less racist when a black voter does the same.
Kathianne
08-19-2008, 03:27 PM
Oh I know. I just wanted to illustrate that the black voter is subject to racially motivated voting as with any demographic. If a white voter does it, it is called racism, however it is no less racist when a black voter does the same.
jeez, could that be? :rolleyes:
Abbey Marie
08-19-2008, 03:30 PM
Oh I know. I just wanted to illustrate that the black voter is subject to racially motivated voting as with any demographic. If a white voter does it, it is called racism, however it is no less racist when a black voter does the same.
I'm surprised they aren't calling it blackophobia yet.
No1tovote4
08-19-2008, 03:48 PM
I'm surprised they aren't calling it blackophobia yet.
Now they will, see what you've done?
Abbey Marie
08-19-2008, 03:59 PM
Now they will, see what you've done?
Dear god, no!!!!! :laugh2:
red states rule
08-20-2008, 05:36 AM
How close is the election? If the election were held today, and the stste by state polls are correct - McCain would win
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10
red states rule
08-20-2008, 05:55 AM
Chriss Matthews must have seen the current polls, and on his first night back from vacation - pulled the race card out like a loyal Obamabot
Matthews: McCain Handing Out 'Permission Slips' to Racists
By Mark Finkelstein (Bio | Archive)
August 19, 2008 - 21:15 ET
That didn't take long. Tanned and rested on his first day back from vacation, Chris Matthews suggested on this evening's Hardball that under the guise of the "inexperience" charge, John McCain is handing out "permission slips" to racists to vote against Obama.
Matthews put his poisonous point to Chicago Tribune columnist Clarence Page.
CHRIS MATTHEWS: Let me ask you this. Isn't he [McCain] handing out permission slips to vote against Barack? "Inexperience" is my favorite. Because you could have all kinds of problems with Barack Obama: ethnically, politically, culturally, class—I don't know what the adjective is for class, but "classily." And you can have every problem in the world with Mrs. Obama. But you could hide it all under, not hide it all, you could present it all under one word: "you know, I've got nothing against him. He's a bright young man with a quality education, interesting new ideas. But he's not quite ready yet." And that's a fair critique which covers all your reasons for opposing him.
watch the video
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2008/08/19/matthews-mccain-handing-out-permission-slips-racists
Abbey Marie
08-20-2008, 01:32 PM
Chriss Matthews must have seen the current polls, and on his first night back from vacation - pulled the race card out like a loyal Obamabot
Matthews: McCain Handing Out 'Permission Slips' to Racists
By Mark Finkelstein (Bio | Archive)
August 19, 2008 - 21:15 ET
That didn't take long. Tanned and rested on his first day back from vacation, Chris Matthews suggested on this evening's Hardball that under the guise of the "inexperience" charge, John McCain is handing out "permission slips" to racists to vote against Obama.
Matthews put his poisonous point to Chicago Tribune columnist Clarence Page.
CHRIS MATTHEWS: Let me ask you this. Isn't he [McCain] handing out permission slips to vote against Barack? "Inexperience" is my favorite. Because you could have all kinds of problems with Barack Obama: ethnically, politically, culturally, class—I don't know what the adjective is for class, but "classily." And you can have every problem in the world with Mrs. Obama. But you could hide it all under, not hide it all, you could present it all under one word: "you know, I've got nothing against him. He's a bright young man with a quality education, interesting new ideas. But he's not quite ready yet." And that's a fair critique which covers all your reasons for opposing him.
watch the video
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2008/08/19/matthews-mccain-handing-out-permission-slips-racists
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It's all good, Red! They are making the "race card" yet more meaningless with every hollow, illogical accusation.
red states rule
08-20-2008, 01:37 PM
:lame2:
It's all good, Red! They are making the "race card" yet more meaningless with every hollow, illogical accusation.
It is also so showing how desperate
Chris was pissed over Harold Ford losing his Senate bid and blamed the racists for not voting for him
However, why did Chris not blame the racists in MD for not electing Michael Steel to the Senate?
Or Lynn Swan Gov of PA?
Is it only racist in the eye of Chris Matthews when black Dems lose elections?
bullypulpit
08-20-2008, 05:47 PM
Months ago when Obama defeated hillary for the nomination, the left were so cocky they were going to stroll into the White House without breaking a sweat
Obama had about 320 Electoral College votes, and double digit lead in the polls
Now, Obama's lead is gone, and he has a only 275 Electoral College votes based on current polls
What happened to the messiah?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10
Firstly, the election is not until November 4th. Secondly, the respective conventions have yet to take place. Thirdly, we have yet to see a head to head debate between Obama and McCain. The only poll that counts is the one on 11/4/08.
red states rule
08-20-2008, 05:48 PM
Firstly, the election is not until November 4th. Secondly, the respective conventions have yet to take place. Thirdly, we have yet to see a head to head debate between Obama and McCain. The only poll that counts is the one on 11/4/08.
My how the cocky have changed. A month ago you libs were crowing about the double digit lead your messiah had. Now the polls do not matter as much as they did :laugh2:
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