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Kathianne
08-12-2008, 04:27 PM
it's not in the country's interest to run with crap like this:


Then there is a special subclass of rumors that would seek to deny Obama the presidency over legal technicalities. There is a largely discredited but still active and dedicated core group of Obama critics unwilling to believe that Obama is legitimately an American citizen and thus eligible to run for president, despite his proven birth in Hawaii. Another variation of citizenship rumors maintains that Obama holds a duel citizenship in Kenya or that he renounced his American citizenship to become a Kenyan citizen. Neither is true.

And there is another rumor that has floated for months on Internet message boards and blogs, in a variation of the technicality stories that would seek to end Obama’s candidacy over an alleged mistake, that Barack Obama never registered for the Selective Service.

Associate blogger “Free Dem” explained the vital importance of Obama’s Selective Service registration to his presidential aspirations in a July 1 post at one of the pro-Hillary Democratic blogs that has been at the epicenter of some of the worst anti-Obama rumor-mongering, No Quarter:

According to the Selective Service System, under the authority of the Military Selective Service Act (Act of June 24, 1948, c. 625, 62 Stat. 604, as amended; 50 U.S.C. App. 451 et seq.):

A man must be registered to be eligible for jobs in the executive branch of the federal government and the U.S. Postal Service. Proof of registration is required only for men born after December 31, 1959.

The registration requirement was suspended in April 1975. It was resumed again in 1980 by President Carter in response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Registration continues today as a hedge against underestimating the number of servicemen needed in a future crisis.

1-103. Persons born in calendar year 1961 shall present themselves for registration on any of the six days beginning Monday, July 28, 1980. (Source).

The obligation of a man to register is imposed by the Military Selective Service Act. The Act establishes and governs the operations of the Selective Service System.

Barack Obama, who states he was born in Aug. 1961, was required to register for the Selective Service in 1980. Did he?

It is a rumor that the Obama campaign has chosen to ignore despite numerous requests, and it is a rumor that even Snopes couldn’t seem to confirm or deny definitively.

After contacting the Selective Service System for an answer several times since late June, Pajamas Media obtained official confirmation from the Selective Service System via email that Barack Obama did indeed register for the Selective Service as required by law, and is eligible to run for the presidency.

Mr. Owens,

Barack Hussein Obama registered at a post office in Hawaii. The effective registration date was September 4, 1980.

His registration number is 61-1125539-1. This is more than John Kerry ever responded to.

Daniel Amon
Public Affairs Specialist

...
Barack Obama fulfilled his Selective Service obligation and has every legal right to run for the presidency of the United States.

If opponents wish to see him defeated, they’ll have to see it done in the political arena.

Yurt
08-12-2008, 04:54 PM
didn't he dispose of opponents in IL on technicalities...

Kathianne
08-12-2008, 04:58 PM
didn't he dispose of opponents in IL on technicalities...

I'm not sure what you are asking here?

Yurt
08-12-2008, 05:27 PM
I'm not sure what you are asking here?

did obama use legal technicalities in disposing of opponents?


Then there is a special subclass of rumors that would seek to deny Obama the presidency over legal technicalities.

Kathianne
08-12-2008, 05:36 PM
did obama use legal technicalities in disposing of opponents?

I'm still unclear of what you are asking here? Which opponents and which contests?

Yurt
08-12-2008, 05:38 PM
any opponents and any contest he has run....i believe he has used technicalities to knock opponents off balots in IL.

retiredman
08-12-2008, 05:42 PM
I'm not sure what you are asking here?

what we have in your post is unfounded allegations that amount to smears. Obama used petitition challenges -that were successful - in Chicago to invalidate the legitimacy of democratic primary opponents who had not gotten enough legitimate signatures to get on the ballot.

Kathianne
08-12-2008, 05:44 PM
what we have in your post is unfounded allegations that amount to smears. Obama used petitition challenges -that were successful - in Chicago to invalidate the legitimacy of democratic primary opponents who had not gotten enough legitimate signatures to get on the ballot.

Not from anything I posted. If you think so, link up.

stephanie
08-12-2008, 05:47 PM
Awww...they trying to smear the poor Obambam...

Nobody knows SMEARS like the Democrat party..:dance:

Yurt
08-12-2008, 05:47 PM
what we have in your post is unfounded allegations that amount to smears. Obama used petitition challenges -that were successful - in Chicago to invalidate the legitimacy of democratic primary opponents who had not gotten enough legitimate signatures to get on the ballot.

mayhap these challenges that you say are unfounded, will be successful...just as his technical challenges were. he knocked people off balots and took away choice over technicalities....good for him, he used the law and gave people more choice.....right? why are you complaining now that some want to use technicalities....becase YOU say they are unfounded, we don't know that yet.

Yurt
08-12-2008, 05:49 PM
Awww...they trying to smear the poor Obambam...

Nobody knows SMEARS like the Democrat party..:dance:

LEAVE OBAMA ALONE!!! :laugh2:

love the avi :cheers2:

retiredman
08-12-2008, 05:50 PM
Not from anything I posted. If you think so, link up.

calm down. I agree with your original post. the allegations about Kenyan citizenship and selective service registration are merely attempts to smear Obama.

You were asked about Obama using technicalities and petitition challenges are a long standing tactic in Illinois politics... questioning the validity of signatures on nomination petitions is hardly a technicality and it certainly is not "smearing" anyone like Obama has been smeared as YOU showed in your original post.

stephanie
08-12-2008, 05:52 PM
LEAVE OBAMA ALONE!!! :laugh2:

love the avi :cheers2:

It reminds me of a couple of people on this board...:laugh2:

:cheers2:

Yurt
08-12-2008, 06:00 PM
LEMON: Gha-Is Askia is no longer in politics. The race against Obama was his last. He and two other Democrats were kicked off that ballot before a single vote was cast. How?

Obama sent a team of lawyers and volunteers to the Chicago Board of Elections and challenged the petitions of his opponents. You needed 757 signatures of registered voters to become a candidate. Askia said he gathered 1,899. But when the Obama team was through challenging his signatures, addresses, and voter registrations, Askia came up 69 signatures short.

ASKIA: I fought for every single -- what -- they was going on technicalities.

GRIFFIN: If names were printed instead of written in cursive, they were kicked off, campaign workers told CNN. If signatures were good but the person collecting the petitions wasn't properly registered, all of those signatures were kicked off.

ASKIA: Yeah. So, it was -- it was technicalities.

GRIFFIN: Jay Stewart with Chicago's Better Government Association says there is nothing illegal about what Obama did. In fact, it's the way politics are played in Chicago.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200806020007

absolutely legal, bring over a team of lawyers, knock your opponent off on technicalities, not illegalities....that is just part and parcel of "the way politics [is] played in chicago." so much for the candidate of change....

that said, i see no reason he should complain now...that is how he plays politics, so man up and stop bitching like a wee child

Kathianne
08-12-2008, 06:02 PM
calm down. I agree with your original post. the allegations about Kenyan citizenship and selective service registration are merely attempts to smear Obama.

You were asked about Obama using technicalities and petitition challenges are a long standing tactic in Illinois politics... questioning the validity of signatures on nomination petitions is hardly a technicality and it certainly is not "smearing" anyone like Obama has been smeared as YOU showed in your original post.

However, not by me, not on this thread. Sorry, not going down for unfairness on this one.

Kathianne
08-12-2008, 06:03 PM
However, not by me, not on this thread. Sorry, not going down for unfairness on this one.

I must be doing something right, I'm getting hit from those I usually agree with and those I seldom do.

Yurt
08-12-2008, 06:05 PM
I must be doing something right, I'm getting hit from those I usually agree with and those I seldom do.

politics as usual in chicago :laugh2:

Kathianne
08-12-2008, 06:08 PM
politics as usual in chicago :laugh2:

Yeah, we grow thick skin here. It's a jungle out there. ;)

retiredman
08-12-2008, 06:08 PM
However, not by me, not on this thread. Sorry, not going down for unfairness on this one.

I swear, you just seem to purposely mistake the meaning of anything I post anymore. what part of "I AGREE WITH YOU" did you not understand. I think you are being ENTIRELY fair. Your initial post talks about bizarre smears against Obama I APPLAUD YOUR CANDOR AND NON-PARTISAN APPROACH. In follow on posts, which you quoted, others have suggested that, merely because Obama successfully challenged the validity of petition signatures of his primary opponents, that he opened himself up for such smears like you first posted about concerning citizenship and selective service implying that they weren't smears but merely "technicalities".

Yurt
08-12-2008, 06:25 PM
I swear, you just seem to purposely mistake the meaning of anything I post anymore. what part of "I AGREE WITH YOU" did you not understand. I think you are being ENTIRELY fair. Your initial post talks about bizarre smears against Obama I APPLAUD YOUR CANDOR AND NON-PARTISAN APPROACH. In follow on posts, which you quoted, others have suggested that, merely because Obama successfully challenged the validity of petition signatures of his primary opponents, that he opened himself up for such smears like you first posted about concerning citizenship and selective service implying that they weren't smears but merely "technicalities".

"others" :laugh2:

dude, give up the pretense :poke: obama's claims that all the signatures were not valid were smears until proven true...imagine that.

Kathianne
08-12-2008, 06:54 PM
I swear, you just seem to purposely mistake the meaning of anything I post anymore. what part of "I AGREE WITH YOU" did you not understand. I think you are being ENTIRELY fair. Your initial post talks about bizarre smears against Obama I APPLAUD YOUR CANDOR AND NON-PARTISAN APPROACH. In follow on posts, which you quoted, others have suggested that, merely because Obama successfully challenged the validity of petition signatures of his primary opponents, that he opened himself up for such smears like you first posted about concerning citizenship and selective service implying that they weren't smears but merely "technicalities".

What I was saying is that while I agree there have been smears in instances, I'm not giving him or you a bye.

In any case, if anyone has ever been given the benefit of the doubt, it's been Obama.

I'm not picking a fight, just not going quite where you want me to.

manu1959
08-12-2008, 11:36 PM
i will simply say this......obama's politics will do nothing for me, my family or my company ..... i repeat....nothing......in no way shape or form will anything he says he will do help me, my family or my company....in fact he will take from me my family and my company and by extension all 200 of my employees.....thus he will not get my one measly little vote......