Obama site: Jews must be 'burned'

[red states rule]

This is really shocking folks. On Obama's site this racist crap has been posted

And this guy is to "unite" the country and "save" the world?



Obama site: Jews must be 'burned'
Anti-Semites congregate on candidate's official presidential campaign blog

Posted: August 05, 2008
9:03 pm Eastern

By Aaron Klein
© 2008 WorldNetDaily



JERUSALEM – Jews should be "burned" and "thrown in the oven."

Israel murdered 6 million Arabs.

Jews control American politics and dictate decisions of war and peace.

The Jewish state is leading a "Holocaust" against the Palestinian people and was responsible for 9/11.

The above are just a sampling of a large volume of racist, anti-Semitic and anti-Israel propaganda that can be found on user-generated pages on Sen. Barack Obama's official campaign website, which allows registered members to form groups and post content in online "community" blogs.

The Obama campaign does not monitor all blog material but says it removes offending posts brought to the attention of site administrators.

A search through the community blogs on Obama's official site under such key words as "Zionists," "Israel Lobby," or "Jews" brings up thousands of entries, some containing what can easily be described as hate material.

In a blog posting on Obama's site titled, "Are Israeli Zionists in Control of Our Democracy?" user "Stan" claims "Israeli elements" in the U.S. who possess both American and Israeli citizenship "dominate our political process so we cannot act as an honest broker in the Middle East


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=71574

[Immanuel]

From your link:


The above are just a sampling of a large volume of racist, anti-Semitic and anti-Israel propaganda that can be found on user-generated pages on Sen. Barack Obama's official campaign website, which allows registered members to form groups and post content in online "community" blogs.


The Obama campaign does not monitor all blog material but says it removes offending posts brought to the attention of site administrators.

What morons post on their site does not represent the beliefs of the Obama camp (which I AM NOT a member of) nor does it mean that these morons are supporters of Barack Obama. How many of us conservatives have posted to sites like DU.com? It doesn't mean we are democrats or extreme liberals, but we can post there. Now, I'm sure you going to say that DU.com deletes our posts. True, they do, but they are an organized website that is in the business of being a website. I'm sure Obama's camp is busy doing other things... like preparing his concession speach? :laugh2:

Can't blame Barack for this one IMHO

Immie

[red states rule]

From your link:





What morons post on their site does not represent the beliefs of the Obama camp (which I AM NOT a member of) nor does it mean that these morons are supporters of Barack Obama. How many of us conservatives have posted to sites like DU.com? It doesn't mean we are democrats or extreme liberals, but we can post there. Now, I'm sure you going to say that DU.com deletes our posts. True, they do, but they are an organized website that is in the business of being a website. I'm sure Obama's camp is busy doing other things... like preparing his concession speach? :laugh2:

Can't blame Barack for this one IMHO

Immie

The messiah has said different things about Israel (it depends on what crowd he be talking down to)

The Jewish community does not trust him, and yet the Obama campaign let these posts stay on the site for some time

[glockmail]

No-one can deny that the Democrat Party has deep racist roots. This is evidence that they are still bearing sprouting branches.

[retiredman]

From your link:





What morons post on their site does not represent the beliefs of the Obama camp (which I AM NOT a member of) nor does it mean that these morons are supporters of Barack Obama. How many of us conservatives have posted to sites like DU.com? It doesn't mean we are democrats or extreme liberals, but we can post there. Now, I'm sure you going to say that DU.com deletes our posts. True, they do, but they are an organized website that is in the business of being a website. I'm sure Obama's camp is busy doing other things... like preparing his concession speach? :laugh2:

Can't blame Barack for this one IMHO

Immie


very insightful, Immie. good job

[red states rule]

No-one can deny that the Democrat Party has deep racist roots. This is evidence that they are still bearing sprouting branches.

The Dems are the most racist bunch of people you can meet. First black conservatives, now Jews

Look how they have trashed Sen Lieberman, and the racist comments about his religion

[Immanuel]

The messiah has said different things about Israel (it depends on what crowd he be talking down to)

The Jewish community does not trust him, and yet the Obama campaign let these posts stay on the site for some time

Obama is a politician. He'll say whatever it takes to get your next vote.

I don't trust him. In fact, there are a hell of a lot of people that don't trust him for many reasons. So what if the Jewish Community is counted in that group?

PS as a Christian, I find your referral to him as the messiah to be offensive. :laugh2: I would prefer you refer to him as the wanna-be messiah.


No-one can deny that the Democrat Party has deep racist roots. This is evidence that they are still bearing sprouting branches.

No one can deny that the Republican Party has deep racist roots either. There have been racist posts on this site and on other sites I have frequented. Should they be deleted? Granted they never should have been written, but still.


The Dems are the most racist bunch of people you can meet. First black conservatives, now Jews

Look how they have trashed Sen Lieberman, and the racist comments about his religion

Well, if you had said liberals were the least tolerant people you can meet, I might agree with you. Racism? Not sure I agree. They just aren't very accepting of those who don't see eye to eye with them.

Immie

[glockmail]

Yet Jews and blacks still vote Democrat mostly.

[red states rule]

Yet Jews and blacks still vote Democrat mostly.

True. But if you are a conservative black or conservative Jew - the libs let the racist attacks fly

[glockmail]

....No one can deny that the Republican Party has deep racist roots either. ...... Bullshit on that. The GOP has deep roots in eradicating slavery.

[red states rule]

Bullshit on that. The GOP has deep roots in eradicating slavery.

and living by Dr Kings dream of judging people by the quality of their character and not the color of their skin

[glockmail]

and living by Dr Kings dream of judging people by the quality of their character and not the color of their skin He was a Republican too. Maybe that's why the FBI was after him, and Jesse Jackson conspired to kill him.

[red states rule]

He was a Republican too. Maybe that's why the FBI was after him, and Jesse Jackson conspired to kill him.

Black conservatives are not well thought of in the Dem party, Dems can say the most hate filled and racist slurs possible to them, and the so called civil rights leaders and groups stand on the sidelines

[Immanuel]

Bullshit on that. The GOP has deep roots in eradicating slavery.

The GOP is no more minority friendly than the Democratic Party. Racism is inherent in both parties. The GOP sits back and says that the poor (mostly blacks) must fend for themselves. While I agree with the philosophy that giving handouts only makes things worse, the GOP rather than help the situation leaves the poor totally without hope. In effect, that is racism.

Deep roots in eradicating slavery? Sure, the GOP takes the credit for being the ones to end slavery. At the same time, the Democratic Party takes the credit for the Civil Rights Movement. In the meantime those who are affected by their race and the conditions they were born into are left with two parties who don't give a shit but love to spout how much they are doing for those of color, but all they hear is passing gas

Immie

[mundame]

– Jews should be "burned" and "thrown in the oven."

Israel murdered 6 million Arabs.

Jews control American politics and dictate decisions of war and peace.

The Jewish state is leading a "Holocaust" against the Palestinian people and was responsible for 9/11.

The above are just a sampling of a large volume of racist, anti-Semitic and anti-Israel propaganda that can be found on user-generated pages on Sen. Barack Obama's official campaign website, which allows registered members to form groups and post content in online "community" blogs.

The Obama campaign does not monitor all blog material but says it removes offending posts brought to the attention of site administrators.




Very interesting! I recall John Kerry's site, which I signed up for briefly in 2004. They had a bazillion mods, and they were post-killers and no fooling --- you said anything at all questionable, you were GONE.

And this is exactly why.

Kerry did NOT have scandals about the content on his site.

Obama's campaign is not up to speed: this is pretty basic stuff, not getting caught in gross scandals initiated by members of the public.

This may well be sabotage. It would make a pretty good dirty trick. It's not likely to help either his fundraising nor vote count with the Jewish voters.

[Dilloduck]

The GOP is no more minority friendly than the Democratic Party. Racism is inherent in both parties. The GOP sits back and says that the poor (mostly blacks) must fend for themselves. While I agree with the philosophy that giving handouts only makes things worse, the GOP rather than help the situation leaves the poor totally without hope. In effect, that is racism.

Deep roots in eradicating slavery? Sure, the GOP takes the credit for being the ones to end slavery. At the same time, the Democratic Party takes the credit for the Civil Rights Movement. In the meantime those who are affected by their race and the conditions they were born into are left with two parties who don't give a shit but love to spout how much they are doing for those of color, but all they hear is passing gas

Immie

Why are they sitting on their asses waiting for a political party to save them ?

[red states rule]

The GOP is no more minority friendly than the Democratic Party. Racism is inherent in both parties. The GOP sits back and says that the poor (mostly blacks) must fend for themselves. While I agree with the philosophy that giving handouts only makes things worse, the GOP rather than help the situation leaves the poor totally without hope. In effect, that is racism.

Deep roots in eradicating slavery? Sure, the GOP takes the credit for being the ones to end slavery. At the same time, the Democratic Party takes the credit for the Civil Rights Movement. In the meantime those who are affected by their race and the conditions they were born into are left with two parties who don't give a shit but love to spout how much they are doing for those of color, but all they hear is passing gas

Immie


Bull

This is the best article I have ever read on Dem racism toward black conservatives


Sambo" and "Ignorant Mammy"": That's how Democrats view Blacks

By Frances Rice

Democrats, who claim that they care about diversity, use despicable racial stereotypes, just as Democrats did during the days of slavery and Jim Crow, to slur black professionals, such as Dr. Condoleezza Rice and Maryland Lt. Governor Michael Steele.

Oreo cookies were thrown by Democrats at Mr. Steele, and two members of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, Katie Barge and Lauren Weiner, committed identity theft, illegally obtaining Mr. Steele's Social Security number and credit report.

Brazenly, on the left-wing Internet website called "The News Blog," Democrats posted a doctored photograph of Mr. Steele, depicting him as a "Simple Sambo." This contemptible racist stereotype is the same one that Democrats used to demean blacks during the era of slavery and segregation.

In addition to other outrageous racist images produced by several Democrats, cartoonist Jeff Danziger depicted Dr. Rice as an ignorant, barefoot "mammy," reminiscent of the stereotyped black woman in the movie Gone with the Wind who remarked: "I don't know nothin' 'bout birthin' no babies."

Democrats feel free to display such blatant racism because they know that they can take the black vote for granted. Black Americans need to wake up, think for themselves and get off of the Democratic Party's plantation. The National Black Republican Association is dedicated to exposing the failed socialist policies and racist past of the Democratic Party that has hijacked the civil rights record of the Republican Party.

As Michael Scheuer, author of Imperial Hubris, stated, Democrats remain what American history shows they always have been, the party of "four S's": Slavery, Secession. Segregation, and Socialism.

In his book, A Short History of Reconstruction, the well-respected liberal historian, Dr. Eric Foner, highlights the fact that it was Republicans, not Democrats, who championed civil rights for blacks. The Republican Party was started as the anti-slavery party and fought to free blacks from slavery, while the Democrats fought to keep blacks in slavery. Republicans pushed to amend the constitution to grant blacks freedom (13th Amendment), citizenship (14th Amendment) and the right to vote (15th Amendment). Republicans pushed to pass civil rights legislation from the 1860's to the 1960's, while the Democrats fought against every piece of civil rights legislation from the 1860's to the 1960's.

Dr. Eric Foner reveals in his book the fact that the Ku Klux Klan was started by Democrats and served as the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party to lynch Republicans, black and white. The recent sham apology made by the Democrats behind the curtain of Congress made no acknowledgement of the fact that it was the Democrats, not Republicans, who fought anti-lynching legislation.

Democrats, who are howling about the much-changed South today voting largely for Republicans, seemed perfectly happy when the then-segregated South voted solidly for the Democrats. Contrary to claims by Democrats, the "Dixiecrats" remained Democrats and declared that they would rather vote for a "yellow dog" than vote for a Republican because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks. The over 30-year odyssey of the South switching to the Republican Party began in the late 1970's with President Richard Nixon's "Southern Strategy" designed to convince Christians to stop supporting the Democratic Party that was denying blacks their civil rights and start supporting the Republican Party that was fighting to the civil rights of blacks. A few Southern states, such as Louisiana, are still controlled by racist Democrats.

The Republican Party has never turned its back on blacks. Democrats use the biased media to distort the news and create a false image of Republicans. A prime example is the Willie Horton story. It was former Vice President Al Gore who first dug up Willie Horton to use against his rival, Michael Dukakis, during the 1988 presidential primary. Al Gore is given a pass for using Willie Horton against Dukakis during the primary, but George H. W. Bush is bashed for using Willie Horton against Dukakis during the general election.

Inner-city minister, Rev. Wayne Perryman, wrote a book, Unfounded Loyalty, based on his five years of research and sued the Democratic Party, demanding an apology for their 150-year history of racism based on the Democratic Party' States Rights claims. The Democrats admitted their racist past under oath in court, but refused to apologize because they know that they can take the black vote for granted.

Today, the failed socialist policies of the Democrats (who have been running our inner-cities for the past 30-40 years) have turned our inner cities into economic and social wastelands. In an effort to keep blacks poor, angry and voting for Democrats, Democrats are fighting every effort of the Republicans to help blacks out of poverty.

Democrats opposed welfare reform in the 1990's, then blocked extension of federal welfare reform in April 2004. Democrats are opposed to school choice opportunity scholarships that would help black children get out of failing schools. Democrats are opposed to Social Security reform even though blacks on average lose $10,000 in the system because blacks on average have a five-year shorter life expectancy than whites. Democrats are crying loudly for an increase in the minimum wage, yet the Democrats, using bogus excuses, blocked the minimum wage bill passed by House Republicans in 2006. Democrats are more interested in keeping the minimum issue alive as a political hammer than they are in making life better for poor black people.

http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.DYK-Simple%20Sambo%20and%20Ignorant%20Mammy&tp_preview=true

[Immanuel]

Very interesting! I recall John Kerry's site, which I signed up for briefly in 2004. They had a bazillion mods, and they were post-killers and no fooling --- you said anything at all questionable, you were GONE.

And this is exactly why.

Kerry did NOT have scandals about the content on his site.

Obama's campaign is not up to speed: this is pretty basic stuff, not getting caught in gross scandals initiated by members of the public.

This may well be sabotage. It would make a pretty good dirty trick. It's not likely to help either his fundraising nor vote count with the Jewish voters.

Good point... which is one reason they should monitor the posts more closely.

Immie

[Immanuel]

Bull

This is the best article I have ever read on Dem racism toward black conservatives


Sambo" and "Ignorant Mammy"": That's how Democrats view Blacks

By Frances Rice

Democrats, who claim that they care about diversity, use despicable racial stereotypes, just as Democrats did during the days of slavery and Jim Crow, to slur black professionals, such as Dr. Condoleezza Rice and Maryland Lt. Governor Michael Steele.

Oreo cookies were thrown by Democrats at Mr. Steele, and two members of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, Katie Barge and Lauren Weiner, committed identity theft, illegally obtaining Mr. Steele's Social Security number and credit report.



So what? Did I deny that Dems were racists or intolerant?

Immie

[red states rule]

So what? Did I deny that Dems were racists or intolerant?

Immie

Racism is not part of the Republican party like it is with Dems. The argument everbody does it will not wash on this one

[Immanuel]

Racism is not part of the Republican party like it is with Dems. The argument everbody does it will not wash on this one

Are you a Republican?

Immie

[red states rule]

Are you a Republican?

Immie

I am a Ronald Reagan conservative

[Immanuel]

I am a Ronald Reagan conservative

You didn't answer my question. Are you a Republican?

Immie

[red states rule]

You didn't answer my question. Are you a Republican?

Immie

Yes I did. I admit there is a difference when you look at the Republican leadership

[Immanuel]

Yes I did. I admit there is a difference when you look at the Republican leadership


Thank you for admitting it.

Now... don't take this wrong, because I have never seen anything written by you to indicate that you are truly racist... but, take a look at your avatar. I can guarandamntee it that there are some who consider your avatar to be racist.

You see I used to frequent another site. One that you are or used to be on. I had a friend who used an avatar that resembled "blackface". I'd never heard of it as so until then although I knew of the practice, but it was considered racist by many on site.

Racism exists in both parties. Anyone who denies that is lying to themselves.

Immie

[red states rule]

Thank you for admitting it.

Now... don't take this wrong, because I have never seen anything written by you to indicate that you are truly racist... but, take a look at your avatar. I can guarandamntee it that there are some who consider your avatar to be racist.

You see I used to frequent another site. One that you are or used to be on. I had a friend who used an avatar that resembled "blackface". I'd never heard of it as so until then although I knew of the practice, but it was considered racist by many on site.

Racism exists in both parties. Anyone who denies that is lying to themselves.

Immie


and why do you think I picked that pic as my avatar? I enjoy plucking the nerves of the Obamabots

I am not voting for Obama because he is another tax and spend liberal - not because he is black

But to the Obamabots, I am a racist so that is why I am not voting for him

Yet the same race baiters give a wink and smile when Michael Steel was pelted with Oreo cookies, or Justice Thomas was called an Uncle Tom, or Gen Powell was called a slave on the plantation by the head of the NAACP

[retiredman]

Thank you for admitting it.

Now... don't take this wrong, because I have never seen anything written by you to indicate that you are truly racist... but, take a look at your avatar. I can guarandamntee it that there are some who consider your avatar to be racist.

You see I used to frequent another site. One that you are or used to be on. I had a friend who used an avatar that resembled "blackface". I'd never heard of it as so until then although I knew of the practice, but it was considered racist by many on site.

Racism exists in both parties. Anyone who denies that is lying to themselves.

Immie

exactly Immie. his avatar is racist and he tries to tell people that he only has a racist avatar to anger liberal democrats. I can imagine he only tells his sordid little jokes about "big lipped niggers" solely to anger liberal blacks, not because he is racist. :lol:

and for anyone to suggest that the republican party is not a party that tacitly supports racism is ridiculous.

Why would nearly 90% of the blacks in America vote for the democratic party time after time after time if WE are the party of racists and not the republicans? Republicans answer that question by suggesting that the shiftless, lazy, out-of-work blacks all vote for the democrats because we give 'em welfare and food stamps and other free stuff... and the republicans give those sorts of answers with a straight face not even acknowledging that their very explanation clearly demonstrates their racist attitudes.

[red states rule]

exactly Immie. his avatar is racist and he tries to tell people that he only has a racist avatar to anger liberal democrats. I can imagine he only tells his sordid little jokes about "big lipped niggers" solely to anger liberal blacks, not because he is racist. :lol:

and for anyone to suggest that the republican party is not a party that tacitly supports racism is ridiculous.

Why would nearly 90% of the blacks in America vote for the democratic party time after time after time if WE are the party of racists and not the republicans? Republicans answer that question by suggesting that the shiftless, lazy, out-of-work blacks all vote for the democrats because we give 'em welfare and food stamps and other free stuff... and the republicans give those sorts of answers with a straight face not even acknowledging that their very explanation clearly demonstrates their racist attitudes.

Well if anyone would know about racist Dems it would be you preacher man. To you and your ilk only Republicans are racists

But 98% of the blacks voting for the messiah is NOT racist

Your party has done more to destroy the black familiy unit then anything else. You trap the kids in failing schools. You trap the parents into a never ending cycle of dependency. And you tell them that they will not make it in life without some government program

You are your party embody racism and openly display it

But you will not respond because yopu are a coward and incapable of defending your positions with facts - only insults and persoanl attacks

[Immanuel]

and why do you think I picked that pic as my avatar? I enjoy plucking the nerves of the Obamabots

I am not voting for Obama because he is another tax and spend liberal - not because he is black

But to the Obamabots, I am a racist so that is why I am not voting for him

Yet the same race baiters give a wink and smile when Michael Steel was pelted with Oreo cookies, or Justice Thomas was called an Uncle Tom, or Gen Powell was called a slave on the plantation by the head of the NAACP

I'm not voting for Obama or McCain because both are Tax and Spend liberals.

I never once said that the Dems were not racists. I never once said that liberals are tolerant.

However, I stand by what I say, when I say that the GOP is no better than the Democratic Party in this matter.

Immie

[Immanuel]

Why would nearly 90% of the blacks in America vote for the democratic party time after time after time if WE are the party of racists and not the republicans? Republicans answer that question by suggesting that the shiftless, lazy, out-of-work blacks all vote for the democrats because we give 'em welfare and food stamps and other free stuff... and the republicans give those sorts of answers with a straight face not even acknowledging that their very explanation clearly demonstrates their racist attitudes.

Sorry, but I believe that the poor (many, maybe even a vast majority of them being colored) vote for the Democratic Party because the DP has done a hell of a good job of selling them on the freebies they offer. Let's just put it this way, the Democratic Party isn't helping them out by giving them hand outs. The Democratic Party is only making their lives harder.

Immie

[red states rule]

I'm not voting for Obama or McCain because both are Tax and Spend liberals.

I never once said that the Dems were not racists. I never once said that liberals are tolerant.

However, I stand by what I say, when I say that the GOP is no better than the Democratic Party in this matter.

Immie

I am not voting for either myself

Republcians are much better on race then Dems like MFM. Dems want blacks to be a little poor. They want them to be a little dependent on government

To libs like MFM race is a political business to be exploited and used for politcal gains. Power is all that matters to them anyway - not the quality of life of their voters

[Immanuel]

I am not voting for either myself

Republcians are much better on race then Dems like MFM. Dems want blacks to be a little poor. They want them to be a little dependent on government

To libs [deleted] race is a political business to be exploited and used for politcal gains. Power is all that matters to them anyway - not the quality of life of their voters

Where you are wrong here is in making this a race issue. The libs (changed from Dem because as far as I know there are still one or two conservative Dems) are not interested in making colored people dependent on government. Rather they are interested in making ALL people dependent on government. And in that respect they are not so different from the Republicans of today.

Immie

[retiredman]

Where you are wrong here is in making this a race issue. The libs (changed from Dem because as far as I know there are still one or two conservative Dems) are not interested in making colored people dependent on government. Rather they are interested in making ALL people dependent on government. And in that respect they are not so different from the Republicans of today.

Immie


no. Immie. we don't want to make all people dependent upon government. We want government to be effective and dependable for all people and to help make everyone's lives a little better - especially those less fortunate than ourselves.

[Immanuel]

no. Immie. we don't want to make all people dependent upon government. We want government to be effective and dependable for all people and to help make everyone's lives a little better - especially those less fortunate than ourselves.

That may be what YOU want and what Care4all wants and Desh and the majority of little people in the party wants. Sorry, I know you are a bigwig in Maine's Democratic Party. But that is not what those who have made it big in National Politics want. By the way, that's why you'll never make it big in National Politics! :lol:

Immie

[red states rule]

no. Immie. we don't want to make all people dependent upon government. We want government to be effective and dependable for all people and to help make everyone's lives a little better - especially those less fortunate than ourselves.

So how will tax increases on the producers and corporations, giving that money to the nonproducers will make lives better?

Libs attack and smear the "rich" and corporations yet they are happy to steal their money

[retiredman]

That may be what YOU want and what Care4all wants and Desh and the majority of little people in the party wants. Sorry, I know you are a bigwig in Maine's Democratic Party. But that is not what those who have made it big in National Politics want. By the way, that's why you'll never make it big in National Politics! :lol:

Immie

we'll have to respectfully agree to disagree on the first part.... as for me being a bigwig... I am just a member of my county committee, that's all, and I have NO desire to make it big anywhere in politics - or anywhere else, for that matter:laugh2:

[red states rule]

we'll have to respectfully agree to disagree on the first part.... as for me being a bigwig... I am just a member of my county committee, that's all, and I have NO desire to make it big anywhere in politics - or anywhere else, for that matter:laugh2:

That is one wish you will never have to worry about

[Immanuel]

So how will tax increases on the producers and corporations, giving that money to the nonproducers will make lives better?

Libs attack and smear the "rich" and corporations yet they are happy to steal their money

I don't know? I'd love to own a big screen TV provided by the government. What about you? Come to think of it, I might need a Cadillac too!

Immie

[Immanuel]

we'll have to respectfully agree to disagree on the first part.... as for me being a bigwig... I am just a member of my county committee, that's all, and I have NO desire to make it big anywhere in politics - or anywhere else, for that matter:laugh2:

Then we agree on the second part about our National Politicians wanted us to be dependent on government! Thank you :clap:

Immie

[glockmail]

The GOP is no more minority friendly than the Democratic Party. Racism is inherent in both parties. The GOP sits back and says that the poor (mostly blacks) must fend for themselves. While I agree with the philosophy that giving handouts only makes things worse, the GOP rather than help the situation leaves the poor totally without hope. In effect, that is racism.

Deep roots in eradicating slavery? Sure, the GOP takes the credit for being the ones to end slavery. At the same time, the Democratic Party takes the credit for the Civil Rights Movement. In the meantime those who are affected by their race and the conditions they were born into are left with two parties who don't give a shit but love to spout how much they are doing for those of color, but all they hear is passing gas

Immie

I suggest that you stop reading the NYT for what the GOP stands for and how it has dealt with poverty issues. There is no sense debating you about that if all you can do is spout Democrat talking points that are completely false.

I also suggest that you learn some basic history of the Civil Rights movement instead of believing the Democrat’s claims. The first Civil Rights act was passed by a GOP Congress over a Democrat President’s veto in 1868. The racist Andrew Johnson refused to enforce the Act. The Republicans forced through additional Civil Rights Acts in 1875 (struck down by a Democrat majority Supreme Court in 1883), 1957 (over stiff Democrat opposition), 1960 after nearly a week long Democrat filibuster), 1964 (against chief opponents Albert Gore Sr. and a 14 hour filibuster by former Klansman Robert Byrd) and finally in 1968.

[red states rule]

I don't know? I'd love to own a big screen TV provided by the government. What about you? Come to think of it, I might need a Cadillac too!

Immie

Libs live to exapand their cradle to grave programs. Libs like MFM will never admit their 40 year/ $9 trillion war of poverty has been a total and complete failure

What they say is needed is more programs and more of our money to fix it

[crin63]

Why do Catholics beget Catholics? I have known allot of Catholics who have no idea at all what the Catholic Church believes or practices and never ever attend any kind of services at their church but they call themselves Catholic and support things that are, "Catholic" simply because the were told they are Catholic as they grew up.

I think that is also the reason many Black folk vote Democrat. They were told that they are Democrats and that Democrats like them while they were growing up and that Republicans hate them. The final nail in the Republican coffin with Blacks was Goldwater and the Liberal spin about civil rights legislation.

More Republicans supported the civil rights legislation in 1964 than the Democrats did but Goldwater opposed it, what an idiot. The Liberal spin and outright lies about Democrats being the owners of the civil rights movement is key to the modern hold on Black voters by the Democrats.

[Immanuel]

I suggest that you stop reading the NYT for what the GOP stands for and how it has dealt with poverty issues. There is no sense debating you about that if all you can do is spout Democrat talking points that are completely false.

I also suggest that you learn some basic history of the Civil Rights movement instead of believing the Democrat’s claims. The first Civil Rights act was passed by a GOP Congress over a Democrat President’s veto in 1868. The racist Andrew Johnson refused to enforce the Act. The Republicans forced through additional Civil Rights Acts in 1875 (struck down by a Democrat majority Supreme Court in 1883), 1957 (over stiff Democrat opposition), 1960 after nearly a week long Democrat filibuster), 1964 (against chief opponents Albert Gore Sr. and a 14 hour filibuster by former Klansman Robert Byrd) and finally in 1968.

I don't read the NYT. I don't read Democrat Talking points and unlike you I don't worship at the altar of the Republican Party.

And as I said earlier... it is the Democrats who have taken credit as to having passed the Civil Rights Act. I didn't give them credit for it, I said they laid claim to it. Maybe you need glasses?

If glasses are not the problem may I suggest a remedial reading class?


Deep roots in eradicating slavery? Sure, the GOP takes the credit for being the ones to end slavery. At the same time, the Democratic Party takes the credit for the Civil Rights Movement. In the meantime those who are affected by their race and the conditions they were born into are left with two parties who don't give a shit but love to spout how much they are doing for those of color, but all they hear is passing gas.


Immie

[red states rule]

Why do Catholics beget Catholics? I have known allot of Catholics who have no idea at all what the Catholic Church believes or practices and never ever attend any kind of services at their church but they call themselves Catholic and support things that are, "Catholic" simply because the were told they are Catholic as they grew up.

I think that is also the reason many Black folk vote Democrat. They were told that they are Democrats and that Democrats like them while they were growing up and that Republicans hate them. The final nail in the Republican coffin with Blacks was Goldwater and the Liberal spin about civil rights legislation.

More Republicans supported the civil rights legislation in 1964 than the Democrats did but Goldwater opposed it, what an idiot. The Liberal spin and outright lies about Democrats being the owners of the civil rights movement is key to the modern hold on Black voters by the Democrats.

When you have blacks like Wright who live to spread racial hate onto the next generation - what can you expect?

And the Obama's sat there for 20 years and learned how to hate whites

[glockmail]

....
More Republicans supported the civil rights legislation in 1964 than the Democrats did but Goldwater opposed it, what an idiot. .... Goldwater opposed it because he was a libertarian.

[retiredman]

I suggest that you stop reading the NYT for what the GOP stands for and how it has dealt with poverty issues. There is no sense debating you about that if all you can do is spout Democrat talking points that are completely false.

I also suggest that you learn some basic history of the Civil Rights movement instead of believing the Democrat’s claims. The first Civil Rights act was passed by a GOP Congress over a Democrat President’s veto in 1868. The racist Andrew Johnson refused to enforce the Act. The Republicans forced through additional Civil Rights Acts in 1875 (struck down by a Democrat majority Supreme Court in 1883), 1957 (over stiff Democrat opposition), 1960 after nearly a week long Democrat filibuster), 1964 (against chief opponents Albert Gore Sr. and a 14 hour filibuster by former Klansman Robert Byrd) and finally in 1968.

and during all that history you speak of, the republican party enjoyed the overwhelming support of the african american community. Things began to change in '48. The southern (racist) democrats sensed the change in the democratie party and eventually either saw the error of their ways or they changed parties. And now, today, the african american community understands that talking about what democrats and republicans did and thought a hundred years ago makes no sense in determining the identities of those parties today, and they now understand that the democratic party is no longer the party of racists.... because they vote with us, and not you, in overwhelming numbers.

[red states rule]

and during all that history you speak of, the republican party enjoyed the overwhelming support of the african american community. Things began to change in '48. The southern (racist) democrats sensed the change in the democratie party and eventually either saw the error of their ways or they changed parties. And now, today, the african american community understands that talking about what democrats and republicans did and thought a hundred years ago makes no sense in determining the identities of those parties today, and they now understand that the democratic party is no longer the party of racists.... because they vote with us, and not you, in overwhelming numbers.

Because blacks have ben conned into thinking Dems actually care about them. You have racists like Jackson, Sharpton, Wright, and others constantly telling blacks they are victims. they are being held down by the white man. They can't make it without help form the Dems

You and your party are the true racists. You see them as easy votes as long as YOU keep them down, and shackled to government programs

Your racism also shows thru when blacks see the truth and speak out against liberal racism. Look at how the left has treated Justice Thomas, Michael Steel, Walter Williams, Condi Rice

[actsnoblemartin]

I would rather be in an his SUV then a liberals Yugo. Unless it is Al Gore - he is in a limo

limo's rule :dance:

[glockmail]

Because blacks have ben conned into thinking Dems actually care about them. You have racists like Jackson, Sharpton, Wright, and others constantly telling blacks they are victims. they are being held down by the white man. They can't make it without help form the Dems

You and your party are the true racists. You see them as easy votes as long as YOU keep them down, and shackled to government programs

Your racism also shows thru when blacks see the truth and speak out against liberal racism. Look at how the left has treated Justice Thomas, Michael Steel, Walter Williams, Condi Rice


Don't you just love the revisionism that these modern day Democrats spout? It would be laughable if not so sad. After loosing a nearly 2 century long battle against Republicans on civil rights, the Democrats have changed tactics again. They tried war, ignoring laws, terrorism, and segregation, and have finally resorted to socialism.

[red states rule]

Don't you just love the revisionism that these modern day Democrats spout? It would be laughable if not so sad. After loosing a nearly 2 century long battle against Republicans on civil rights, the Democrats have changed tactics again. They tried war, ignoring laws, terrorism, and segregation, and have finally resorted to socialism.

Well, it is not like libs like MFM can rely on the TRUTH to win debates, and deal with the current issues

Expecting a lib to rely on facts is like Ted Kennedy to go on the wagon :laugh2:

[glockmail]

I would rather be in an his SUV then a liberals Yugo. Unless it is Al Gore - he is in a limo
Mine rides like a limo, but can tow 9000# in a snowstorm, on a dirt road uphill.
That's wimpie according to dmp.

[Yurt]

I am not on ignore. He is reading my posts and waiting for someone else to respond then he jumps in

Those posting Yurt are part of his base. Rememebr Wright and his comments about the Jews?

no doubt part of his base supports those comments, and it would not surprise me of obama supported the comments, even just a little. if you look at his record, he seems to support muslim causes more than jewish causes....that alone does not mean he does not support jewish causes, but it certainly lends to an inference of such....

[Kathianne]

Now about Obama's site and posting of hatred?

Hint.

[Immanuel]

I woudn't mind if you deleted the offending ones. Hint:

They should be... to be quite honest. I should know better.

"If you can't say something nice then don't say anything at all."

But, what is said is said. I've let my feelings be known that of all the people on the internet, the ones that I don't like are the right wing nuts. There are only a couple of people on these sites that can piss me off and they are all right wing nuts.

I should apologize, but I'm still too damned stubborn to do so.

Immie

[retiredman]

They should be... to be quite honest. I should know better.

"If you can't say something nice then don't say anything at all."

But, what is said is said. I've let my feelings be known that of all the people on the internet, the ones that I don't like are the right wing nuts. There are only a couple of people on these sites that can piss me off and they are all right wing nuts.

I should apologize, but I'm still too damned stubborn to do so.

Immie

don't bother apologizing Immie, they would never reciprocate if the shoe were on the other foot. You have said mea culpa... that's all that is required.

[Kathianne]

Nice last post Immie, all wishes we attempted to fulfill. Carry on.

[red states rule]

don't bother apologizing Immie, they would never reciprocate if the shoe were on the other foot. You have said mea culpa... that's all that is required.

at least he would mean it when if he offers an apology

[red states rule]

Back to the topic

Why would anyone be surprised to see anti Jewish comments on Obama's website given his mentors comments about them?

Wrigth and Obama are racists so why the shock?


Rev Jeremiah Wright lands Barack Obama in trouble again

Barack Obama faced fresh controversy yesterday over the anti-Israel views propagated by his former pastor even as he was being welcomed to New York by Michael Bloomberg, the city's Jewish Mayor.

The disclosure of articles published by the Rev Jeremiah Wright's church newsletter threatened to overshadow his speech outlining his economic plans. The articles included a column by the Hamas leader, Mousa Abu Marzook, which asked: “Why should any Palestinian recognise the monstrous crimes carried out by Israel's founders and continued by its deformed modern apartheid state?”


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3636128.ece

[Kathianne]

don't bother apologizing Immie, they would never reciprocate if the shoe were on the other foot. You have said mea culpa... that's all that is required.

Not quite true, I've apologized several times to you. Many lose their temper from time to time, it only seems right to correct it on your own, as Immie did.

[Immanuel]

don't bother apologizing Immie, they would never reciprocate if the shoe were on the other foot. You have said mea culpa... that's all that is required.


at least he would mean it when if he offers an apology

I'd offer it, but I'm sure I said way too much to have it do any good. I said stuff, that should not have been said.

Immie

[Immanuel]

My dear Immie Immie, all is not lost. The first step in curing a psychological addiction is the patient admitting that he has the condition, and you have done that here at least twice. To encourage you in further self-therapy, I found a gif our lovely Kate cheering you on: http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/yay2.gif

Thanks for the gift.

:)

Immie

ps the second immie on that post came from the edit. I forgot and naturally typed "Immie" again.

[Kathianne]

Ok, Glock and RSR banned from thread. Once again, carry on.

[avatar4321]

From your link:





What morons post on their site does not represent the beliefs of the Obama camp (which I AM NOT a member of) nor does it mean that these morons are supporters of Barack Obama. How many of us conservatives have posted to sites like DU.com? It doesn't mean we are democrats or extreme liberals, but we can post there. Now, I'm sure you going to say that DU.com deletes our posts. True, they do, but they are an organized website that is in the business of being a website. I'm sure Obama's camp is busy doing other things... like preparing his concession speach? :laugh2:

Can't blame Barack for this one IMHO

Immie

I don't know about that. What kind of moron runs for political office and allows anyone to post whatever they want on their webpages?

I wouldn't exactly blame Obama for the content, but his campaign is responsible for allowing the idiots to post there.

[Kathianne]

I don't know about that. What kind of moron runs for political office and allows anyone to post whatever they want on their webpages?

I wouldn't exactly blame Obama for the content, but his campaign is responsible for allowing the idiots to post there.

They have an ongoing problem with the anti-semitic posts, often they are up over 24 hours. Someone should be checking in more regularly.

[avatar4321]

no. Immie. we don't want to make all people dependent upon government. We want government to be effective and dependable for all people and to help make everyone's lives a little better - especially those less fortunate than ourselves.

Why should people expect government to make their lives better? I don't expect government to make my life better. And because of that my life is much better off because I take care of myself.

You may not intend to make people dependent on government. But that's exactly what your policies end up doing. Liberals have been successful in convincing hundreds of thousands of people that they have no responsibility for their lives. If they don't succeed it's someone elses fault and the government is going to bail them. At some point they are going to end up hurt, or even worse, dead if they continue with that mentality.

[Kathianne]

Where you are wrong here is in making this a race issue. The libs (changed from Dem because as far as I know there are still one or two conservative Dems) are not interested in making colored people dependent on government. Rather they are interested in making ALL people dependent on government. And in that respect they are not so different from the Republicans of today.

Immie

I agree. It's the nature of government, not just one party to control the people,it's what the founders feared. When government is caring for all aspects of one's life, it's pretty hard to throw them off. Remember that old adage, "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely."

[retiredman]

Why should people expect government to make their lives better? I don't expect government to make my life better. And because of that my life is much better off because I take care of myself.

You may not intend to make people dependent on government. But that's exactly what your policies end up doing. Liberals have been successful in convincing hundreds of thousands of people that they have no responsibility for their lives. If they don't succeed it's someone elses fault and the government is going to bail them. At some point they are going to end up hurt, or even worse, dead if they continue with that mentality.

I respectfully disagree with your characterization. sorry.

I would like to see if you could take care of yourself if the government did not provide for your safety and security, if government did not provide for you water and electricity... if government did not provide for you the roads and infrastructure necessary to bring everything you own to your door or to the door of the store where you bought it, and allowed you to move safely and efficiently between your home and the rest of society. Methings you don't take of yourself all by yourself without assistance from the government anywhere near as much as you think you do.

[OCA]

This is really shocking folks. On Obama's site this racist crap has been posted

And this guy is to "unite" the country and "save" the world?



Obama site: Jews must be 'burned'
Anti-Semites congregate on candidate's official presidential campaign blog

Posted: August 05, 2008
9:03 pm Eastern

By Aaron Klein
© 2008 WorldNetDaily



JERUSALEM – Jews should be "burned" and "thrown in the oven."

Israel murdered 6 million Arabs.

Jews control American politics and dictate decisions of war and peace.

The Jewish state is leading a "Holocaust" against the Palestinian people and was responsible for 9/11.

The above are just a sampling of a large volume of racist, anti-Semitic and anti-Israel propaganda that can be found on user-generated pages on Sen. Barack Obama's official campaign website, which allows registered members to form groups and post content in online "community" blogs.

The Obama campaign does not monitor all blog material but says it removes offending posts brought to the attention of site administrators.

A search through the community blogs on Obama's official site under such key words as "Zionists," "Israel Lobby," or "Jews" brings up thousands of entries, some containing what can easily be described as hate material.

In a blog posting on Obama's site titled, "Are Israeli Zionists in Control of Our Democracy?" user "Stan" claims "Israeli elements" in the U.S. who possess both American and Israeli citizenship "dominate our political process so we cannot act as an honest broker in the Middle East


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=71574

Oh for the love of Christ! Is everyone supposed to be held accountable for what some nut job says on a site? Are you this desperate to get Johnny lib elected?

Should Jimmy be held responsible for some of the dumbass things you, Ray and MFM regularly say?

[OCA]

I respectfully disagree with your characterization. sorry.

I would like to see if you could take care of yourself if the government did not provide for your safety and security, if government did not provide for you water and electricity... if government did not provide for you the roads and infrastructure necessary to bring everything you own to your door or to the door of the store where you bought it, and allowed you to move safely and efficiently between your home and the rest of society. Methings you don't take of yourself all by yourself without assistance from the government anywhere near as much as you think you do.


People took care of theirselves for a long friggin time in America before FDR came along and shoved big government on us.

Your lack of faith in an individual's intestinal fortitude and ability to self govern is disappointing.......really.

[mundame]

Oh for the love of Christ! Is everyone supposed to be held accountable for what some nut job says on a site?

No, just Obama's campaign, for neglect of a political booby-trap.

It doesn't reflect well on the candidate to have lots of people posting about doing those awful things to Jews, especially right after Obama comes back from his "Triumph of the Hope" speech in Berlin.



Should Jimmy be held responsible for some of the dumbass things you, Ray and MFM regularly say?

Is Jimmy running for election? Actually, if people allow their sites to become hate sites, they can be held responsible; I saw that happen once on a male activist site that posted a lot of hate-and-kill women stuff ("blood will run in the streets," one charmer said), and saw a woman Fox had on as a commentator worry about it a lot on her site. She always was thinking people were out to sabotage her site and Fox would fire her -- it didn't happen, but she was so worried she was constantly banning people.

That's what Kerry's site did and that's what Obama is going to have to do. It makes their sites less fun, but I don't know why they have to run message boards anyway. Free speech is too dangerous to the candidate, and constantly banning people and fussing at them is irritating to the Obama fans. Probably they should just shut them down.

[Dilloduck]

We're all in trouble when virtual reality gets treated as reality. People take this shit WAY too seriously. It's only a bunch of people taking advantage of speaking anonymously.

[Yurt]

don't bother apologizing Immie, they would never reciprocate if the shoe were on the other foot. You have said mea culpa... that's all that is required.

and this is on topic? and who are 'they'?

[mundame]

We're all in trouble when virtual reality gets treated as reality. People take this shit WAY too seriously. It's only a bunch of people taking advantage of speaking anonymously.


But when people are anonymous, they tell the truth.

That's what is disconcerting.

Who knew there was quite this much virulent anti-Jewish hatred going on in 2008? On the LEFT, even?? It has surprised me.

[Kathianne]

But when people are anonymous, they tell the truth.

That's what is disconcerting.

Who knew there was quite this much virulent anti-Jewish hatred going on in 2008? On the LEFT, even?? It has surprised me.

It's been going on for years and it's worse in Europe.

[avatar4321]

I agree. It's the nature of government, not just one party to control the people,it's what the founders feared. When government is caring for all aspects of one's life, it's pretty hard to throw them off. Remember that old adage, "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely."

I disagree with that old adage. Power doesn't corrupt people. People corrupt power. Power just reveals the true nature of the individual.

[avatar4321]

I respectfully disagree with your characterization. sorry.

I would like to see if you could take care of yourself if the government did not provide for your safety and security, if government did not provide for you water and electricity... if government did not provide for you the roads and infrastructure necessary to bring everything you own to your door or to the door of the store where you bought it, and allowed you to move safely and efficiently between your home and the rest of society. Methings you don't take of yourself all by yourself without assistance from the government anywhere near as much as you think you do.

First, people have provided for themselves for a long time without the governments involvement.

Second, My argument is that I don't expect the government to make my life better. My statement is still true. Nothing you've said in any way discredits my position. Just because government happens to make something better once in a blue moon doesnt mean I'm going around expecting it to make my life better. Nor does it mean that private citizens couldn't do better making their own choices.

Nor does it change the fact that policies designed to make people look to government to solve their problems does in fact make them dependent on government.

[avatar4321]

But when people are anonymous, they tell the truth.

That's what is disconcerting.

Who knew there was quite this much virulent anti-Jewish hatred going on in 2008? On the LEFT, even?? It has surprised me.

Honestly, I wish I could say it surprises me, but it doesn't.

For one, I don't really have a high opinion of the left in regards to the tolerance they always claim.

But more importantly, because people are people. For some reason society likes to think that people are somehow inherently better than they were centuries ago. That we've "evolved". The fact is human nature is the same today as it was then. And if society has become better to any degree its because of the wisdom of our forebearers who most frequently get maligned as causing problems.

We may have developed lots of technology, but that doesnt make us any better than those in the past. In many ways, they are a lot wiser than we are.

[Immanuel]

But when people are anonymous, they tell the truth.

That's what is disconcerting.

Who knew there was quite this much virulent anti-Jewish hatred going on in 2008? On the LEFT, even?? It has surprised me.

Well, the problem I have with your statement is that you say "on the left even".

The fact that this is an anonymous site means that I can log into Obama's site and then claim that I support him in his anti-semetic leanings and that I think he should nominate Jeremiah Wright as his ambassador to Israel all the while being a strong conservative in support of someone else (not John McCain) for President.

Immie

[retiredman]

First, people have provided for themselves for a long time without the governments involvement.

Second, My argument is that I don't expect the government to make my life better. My statement is still true. Nothing you've said in any way discredits my position. Just because government happens to make something better once in a blue moon doesnt mean I'm going around expecting it to make my life better. Nor does it mean that private citizens couldn't do better making their own choices.

Nor does it change the fact that policies designed to make people look to government to solve their problems does in fact make them dependent on government.


once in a blue moon? How about every single day of your life?

By the way, how would you, as a private citizen, "provide for yourself" against paper companies dumping toxic waste into rivers? What private choice would you make that would make that problem go away? Wipe your ass with leaves? Make your own paper out of reeds?

I don't expect government to make my life BETTER. I expect them to act the best interests of its citizens.

[retiredman]

But when people are anonymous, they tell the truth.

That's what is disconcerting.

Who knew there was quite this much virulent anti-Jewish hatred going on in 2008? On the LEFT, even?? It has surprised me.


I am not convinced it is on the left. I think there could be dirty politics involved.

[Kathianne]

I am not convinced it is on the left. I think there could be dirty politics involved.

Certainly there could be conservatives posting to make the site look bad, but that should be anticipated and dealt with. It's been going on for months, sometimes blatant hate posts are up 24-36 hours, no excuse for that.

On the other hand, don't be so sure the antisemitism isn't from the Left. Many are very European in their outlook, favor the Palestinians and really do believe the banks, Hollywood, etc., are controlled by the Joos.

[retiredman]

Certainly there could be conservatives posting to make the site look bad, but that should be anticipated and dealt with. It's been going on for months, sometimes blatant hate posts are up 24-36 hours, no excuse for that.

On the other hand, don't be so sure the antisemitism isn't from the Left. Many are very European in their outlook, favor the Palestinians and really do believe the banks, Hollywood, etc., are controlled by the Joos.


I personally know of no one on the left who feels that way. Do you?

[Kathianne]

I personally know of no one on the left who feels that way. Do you?

Seriously, yes. Many online. Not hard to find, which I'm certain you are aware of.

[crin63]

Goldwater opposed it because he was a libertarian.

He was a Republican party member. Were you in reference to his philosophy?

[retiredman]

Seriously, yes. Many online. Not hard to find, which I'm certain you are aware of.


are you calling me a liar?

[Yurt]

:lmao:

:popcorn:

[Kathianne]

are you calling me a liar?

Give it a rest, please. :chillpill::chillpill: