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LiberalNation
03-10-2007, 12:03 PM
Sucks for a soldier who thought he was about to go home or was gona get a break for awile. I think Bush's idea of a bigger military is better suited to todays need then his old plan of a smaller more mobile force was. You need a lot of people if your going to be nation building.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070310/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_iraq_troops;_ylt=AtghEiK0rwYbFbSco08THyEDW7oF

WASHINGTON - Military leaders are struggling to choose Army units to stay in Iraq and Afghanistan longer or go there earlier than planned, but five years of war have made fresh troops harder to find.

Faced with a military buildup in Iraq that could drag into next year, Pentagon officials are trying to identify enough units to keep up to 20 brigade combat teams in Iraq. A brigade usually has about 3,500 troops.

The likely result will be extending the deployments of brigades scheduled to come home at the end of the summer, and sending others earlier than scheduled.

Final decisions — which have not yet been made — would come as Congress is considering ways to force President Bush to wind down the war, despite his vow that he would veto such legislation.

In the freshest indication of the relentless demands for troops in Iraq, Maj. Gen. Benjamin R. Mixon, commander of coalition forces in the north, told reporters Friday that his troops have picked up the pace of their attacks on the enemy in Diyala province, northeast of Baghdad.

"Could I use more forces? No question about it," Mixon said, adding that he had asked for more.

The top U.S. military commander in Iraq, Gen. David Petraeus, said a day earlier that it was likely that additional U.S. forces will be shifted to areas outside the capital where militants are regrouping, including Diyala. The region has become an increasingly important staging ground for militant groups, including al-Qaida in Iraq.

"There have been about 30 percent more offensive actions and attacks. Many of those are initiated by us; some are initiated by them," Petraeus said from a military base outside of Tikrit. "I am cautiously optimistic that in the next 30 to 60 days that we're going to see some significant differences in the security situation in Diyala."

If not, he said, he'll go back and ask for still more support.

Petraeus said Thursday that the U.S. buildup in Iraq would need to be sustained "for some time well beyond the summer" to garner the needed results.

Maintaining increased troop levels, said military officials, will require troops to return for what could be their second or third tours in Iraq or Afghanistan, and force military leaders to juggle the schedules to give soldiers a full 12 months at home before returning to battle.

The officials would speak only on condition of anonymity, because no final decisions have been made and no formal requests for the forces have come from commanders in Iraq. But they said it is beginning to appear likely that Petraeus will ask to maintain much of the buildup at least through the end of the year, and possibly into 2008.

One official said planners are scrambling to figure out what combination of units and schedules can be fashioned that could give Petraeus what he wants and have the least negative impact on the troops.

The complex scheduling must identify which units would have been home for 12 months and be trained and ready to go, plus whether the needed equipment would be available and what impact a schedule change has on other plans for the equipment or troops months down the road.

Combat troops, meanwhile, are coming to realize that the Pentagon can't fulfill its commitment to give soldiers two years at home for every year they spend deployed.

At Fort Drum, N.Y., the 1st Brigade of the 10th Mountain Division is already training for a return to Iraq this summer. The brigade, which spent a year in Iraq and got home last summer, is not yet on any official list of units scheduled to deploy, but it's likely to go in late summer.

"It's prudent planning for us to be prepared to go back in a year," said Fort Drum spokesman Ben Abel.

Military officials also acknowledge that units scheduled to come home later this summer — such as the 3rd Brigade, 25th Infantry Division — could be forced to extend their tours by up to 120 days to maintain the Baghdad security buildup.

Initially, the Bush plan called for sending 21,500 extra U.S. combat troops to Iraq — mainly to Baghdad — with the last of five brigades arriving by June. So far two of the brigades have arrived in Iraq. The latest estimates indicate that up 7,000 support troops may also be needed, including more than 2,000 military police.

darin
03-10-2007, 12:12 PM
how long did troops fight in WW2? Viet Name? The biggest question for that piece is "So what?"

"Struggling" to choose which units...whatever.

There's no struggle. They do what they HAVE to do to.

Same with soldiers.


Why do you get your rocks off on showing just about EVER anti-War, Anti-President, Anti-American "news" piece you can find?

LiberalNation
03-10-2007, 12:14 PM
Why do you get your rocks off on showing just about EVER anti-War, Anti-President, Anti-American "news" piece you can find?
Why do ya'll showing every pro-Bush, pro-war new piece you can find.

and no this article is not "anti-American".

avatar4321
03-10-2007, 01:02 PM
is there something wrong with using troops with experience?

LiberalNation
03-10-2007, 01:12 PM
Not at all but extending their deployment dates after they thought for half a year they were going home on an early date is bad for moral I'd think. Plus shortening their breaks between deployments can’t be making them jump for joy.

Dilloduck
03-10-2007, 01:23 PM
Not at all but extending their deployment dates after they thought for half a year they were going home on an early date is bad for moral I'd think. Plus shortening their breaks between deployments can’t be making them jump for joy.

Knowing the entire country was united behind thier efforts would help but libs can't even give em that.

LiberalNation
03-10-2007, 01:59 PM
Your never going to get an entire country united behind one polictical agenda. Some may like the idea of the "libs" wanting to get them out of that god forsaken country. Just depends on the own personal political beliefs of each individual soldier whether in their hearts they think it's worthless and we should just leave or we should continue to fight the fight..

Dilloduck
03-10-2007, 02:10 PM
Your never going to get an entire country united behind one polictical agenda. Some may like the idea of the "libs" wanting to get them out of that god forsaken country. Just depends on the own personal political beliefs of each individual soldier whether in their hearts they think it's worthless and we should just leave or we should continue to fight the fight..

Why does it have to be made a partisan issue ?

LiberalNation
03-10-2007, 02:11 PM
War is always are partisan issue. Especially these type wars.

Dilloduck
03-10-2007, 02:20 PM
War is always are partisan issue. Especially these type wars.

Garbage---the country was solidly behind the invasion of Afghanistan and congress overwhelmingly gave Bush the approval to attack Iraq. The dems got scared of Bushs' success and popularity and began picking everything to pieces inan attempt to regain power.

LiberalNation
03-10-2007, 02:24 PM
It wasn't the dems that killed Bush it was the reason he gave for the war later turning out to be false. WMDs, Niger yellow cake/nukes, Saddam/OBL connection and if course it going on and on with no end in site. No single thing the American people could see as a victory and then withdrawal.

and no not everyone supported Afghanistan, show me an American war and I'll show you people who disagreed with it. That's always the case.

Dilloduck
03-10-2007, 02:28 PM
It wasn't the dems that killed Bush it was the reason he gave for the war later turning out to be false. WMDs, Niger yellow cake/nukes, Saddam/OBL connection and if course it going on and on with no end in site. No single thing the American people could see as a victory and then withdrawal.

and no not everyone supported Afghanistan, show me an American war and I'll show you people who disagreed with it. That's always the case.

There is a difference between people disagreeing with a war and an entire party choosing to sabotage a war effort to regain power.

Mr. P
03-10-2007, 02:38 PM
War is always are partisan issue. Especially these type wars.

WWII, Pearl Harbor.
This one, WTC 1&2.

All war is a partisan issue?

You don’t have clue, kid.

LiberalNation
03-10-2007, 02:44 PM
Believe it or not there were people disagreed with getting involved Afghanistan and WW2 after the attacks. If everyone doesn't agree your going to get politics involved. The doves and hawks are there for every americn war even those. The government was just good at silencing them in WW2.

LiberalNation
03-10-2007, 02:46 PM
There is a difference between people disagreeing with a war and an entire party choosing to sabotage a war effort to regain power.
It's not sabotage to demand a president explain the reason for a war truthfully or ask him to lay out a plan of when victory will be achieved and we can get out. Bush has not done this. The congress was elected this time around in part because people were disgruntled with the war. They should be acting.

Mr. P
03-10-2007, 02:47 PM
Believe it or not there were people disagreed with getting involved Afghanistan and WW2 after the attacks. If everyone doesn't agree your going to get politics involved. The doves and hawks are there for every americn war even those. The government was just good at silencing them in WW2.

Like I said, you don't have a clue.

LiberalNation
03-10-2007, 02:48 PM
So prove to me their was no one who disagreed with those wars then and politics didn't play any role.

Mr. P
03-10-2007, 02:55 PM
So prove to me their was no one who disagreed with those wars then and politics didn't play any role.

There is always going to be someone who disagrees with war. But you said that "All war is a partisan issue". I gave you two examples to prove you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

LiberalNation
03-10-2007, 03:01 PM
In all war politics and partaninship plays a role. A lot less maybe but there's still some to be found. Depending on wether your guy is the one behind the war.

Mr. P
03-10-2007, 03:09 PM
In all war politics and partaninship plays a role. A lot less maybe but there's still some to be found. Depending on wether your guy is the one behind the war.

So, what you're saying is when pearl or the WTCs were attacked only the people that had 'their guy' would have supported a declaration of war or funding. Is that right?

LiberalNation
03-10-2007, 03:12 PM
So, what you're saying is when pearl or the WTCs were attacked only the people that had 'their guy' would have supported a declaration of war or funding. Is that right?
No I'm saying "some" wouldn't have.

Mr. P
03-10-2007, 03:14 PM
No I'm saying "some" wouldn't have.

Nope you said,
All war is a partisan issue?.
So which is it?

LiberalNation
03-10-2007, 03:15 PM
Where just going around in circles. Whatever you say Mr.P, you get this one.

gabosaurus
03-10-2007, 03:54 PM
There are no conventional rules in Bush's war. The longer we keep troops in Iraq, the greater chance they have of getting killed. If more soldiers come home dead than alive or injured, the less it costs the government. More profit for those who stand to make it. It's only death.

darin
03-10-2007, 03:58 PM
Why do ya'll showing every pro-Bush, pro-war new piece you can find.

and no this article is not "anti-American".

That is a NON-answer. Have the sack to have your OWN opinion, dude. Really.

You honestly know nothing of troops or training or service.

darin
03-10-2007, 03:59 PM
Where just going around in circles. Whatever you say Mr.P, you get this one.

Translation:

You can't keep your stories straight and are unable to defend your argument.

gabosaurus
03-10-2007, 04:07 PM
That is a NON-answer. Have the sack to have your OWN opinion, dude. Really.

You honestly know nothing of troops or training or service.

Since when does that ever matter? Men know ZERO about pregnancy, childbirth or early development, but that doesn't prevent them from having opinions.

Dilloduck
03-10-2007, 04:10 PM
Since when does that ever matter? Men know ZERO about pregnancy, childbirth or early development, but that doesn't prevent them from having opinions.

errr Gabby---there are male gynoclogists.:lol:

LiberalNation
03-10-2007, 05:11 PM
That is a NON-answer.

and your question was stupid.

You honestly know nothing of troops or training or service.
Okay tell about how delighted the troops are when they here the governments extended their tour in Iraq.

Of course they'll do their job and stay with most likely very little complaint but few humans would be happy about it.

gabosaurus
03-10-2007, 06:14 PM
What will Bush do when the military meat market starts running low on supplies? Other than offer citizenship to Mexicans, of course.

Mr. P
03-10-2007, 07:39 PM
What will Bush do when the military meat market starts running low on supplies? Other than offer citizenship to Mexicans, of course.

Hey, maybe agree with the Democraps an start a draft, cool huh?