Why should I vote for Obama?

[avatar4321]

I wanted to provide liberals with an opportunity to make some arguments for why I should vote for Obama.

[midcan5]

because you believe America can do better for its citizens than it has these past years of republican dominance.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

[Little-Acorn]

because you believe America can do better for its citizens

What's that got to do with voting for Obama? :cheers2:

[Yurt]

because you believe America can do better for its citizens than it has these past years of republican dominance.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

em, who has the majority in the senate and house?

[avatar4321]

What's that got to do with voting for Obama? :cheers2:

my thoughts exactly. What is Obama going to do to make things better?

[retiredman]

don't bother voting for Obama. He'll have enough votes to be elected without yours.

for those of us who believe that enacting the democratic party platform would be GOOD for America, electing Obama to go along with our majorities in the house and the senate and what that all means regarding the advancement of that platform is an easy choice.

[Yurt]

my thoughts exactly. What is Obama going to do to make things better?

for many the fact he has a "d" next to his name and is not george bush, plus he is like a guru, he promises feel good stuff without actually getting messy and boring by discussing details.

[avatar4321]

don't bother voting for Obama. He'll have enough votes to be elected without yours.

for those of us who believe that enacting the democratic party platform would be GOOD for America, electing Obama to go along with our majorities in the house and the senate and what that all means regarding the advancement of that platform is an easy choice.

And what about the Democrat platform is good for America?

[retiredman]

And what about the Democrat platform is good for America?


every single plank

[Kathianne]

every single plank

You do mean redistribution of income, right?

[retiredman]

You do mean redistribution of income, right?

I mean that every single plank of the democratic platform, if enacted, would mean a better America.

[Kathianne]

I mean that every single plank of the democratic platform, if enacted, would mean a better America.

Which does mean a redistribution of income. Yours? Less than many, as you're planning on escaping to the South. I wish you nothing but the best, healthwise and anywise. Yet you do plan on escaping the fallout of your lifelong wishes.

[Dilloduck]

for many the fact he has a "d" next to his name and is not george bush, plus he is like a guru, he promises feel good stuff without actually getting messy and boring by discussing details.

and he's black.

[retiredman]

Which does mean a redistribution of income. Yours? Less than many, as you're planning on escaping to the South. I wish you nothing but the best, healthwise and anywise. Yet you do plan on escaping the fallout of your lifelong wishes.


my income will all be taxable in the United States.

[avatar4321]

every single plank

That's a nice way of saying you don't feel like talking about it.

[Kathianne]

my income will all be taxable in the United States.

Even the unearned, from trusts?

[retiredman]

Even the unearned, from trusts?

every bit of it...and I will be proud to pay my fair share

[Kathianne]

every bit of it...and I will be proud to pay my fair share

Good for you. Then again, you can afford the 'redistribution'. Many can't. I wonder if you would have felt the same at 25, just starting out with your family? From what I know of you, doubt you'd have wanted to fall back on Daddy's $$$, you'd provide for your own. What if the government stood in your way?

[retiredman]

Good for you. Then again, you can afford the 'redistribution'. Many can't. I wonder if you would have felt the same at 25, just starting out with your family? From what I know of you, doubt you'd have wanted to fall back on Daddy's $$$, you'd provide for your own. What if the government stood in your way?

I don't think the democratic platform would stand in the way of a young man just starting out with his family.

And I wonder how you know what I can and cannot "afford"?

[Dilloduck]

every bit of it...and I will be proud to pay my fair share

A bleeding heart liberal who wraps himself in the American flag, preaches in a Christian church and sticks pieces of paper in the wailing wall. :laugh2:

[retiredman]

A bleeding heart liberal who wraps himself in the American flag, preaches in a Christian church and sticks pieces of paper in the wailing wall. :laugh2:

I don't wrap myself in the American flag. I am a patriot and a veteran. AND, I AM a bleeding heart liberal and I do preach in a UCC church, and I did stick a piece of paper with a prayer on it into the western wall.

[manu1959]

he has a tan..........

[PostmodernProphet]

because you have hope that he won't fuck things up really bad in the next four years.......

[Sitarro]

because you have hope that he won't fuck things up really bad in the next four years.......

It's not him, he isn't sharp enough to think of anything on his own. The worry is his backers, the people behind the 100s of millions of dollars they(Soros) are spending to get him in the door where they will have total control. With him in there and the likes of Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Kennedy, Biden, Byrd, Edwards, Kucinich and the rest of the incredibly ignorant fools having their way with our country. Imagine the Federal Judges these dimwits will appoint, the Supreme Court Judges they will be able to appoint! Judge Hillary Clinton? Ambassador Bill Clinton????? Immigration laws thrown out! Unions pushed into every major business they want to be in regardless of what the workers want! Domestic drilling stopped, business crippled, economy tanking and then we can all finally equally broke. Guam is looking pretty good.

[Gaffer]

It's not him, he isn't sharp enough to think of anything on his own. The worry is his backers, the people behind the 100s of millions of dollars they(Soros) are spending to get him in the door where they will have total control. With him in there and the likes of Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Kennedy, Biden, Byrd, Edwards, Kucinich and the rest of the incredibly ignorant fools having their way with our country. Imagine the Federal Judges these dimwits will appoint, the Supreme Court Judges they will be able to appoint! Judge Hillary Clinton? Ambassador Bill Clinton????? Immigration laws thrown out! Unions pushed into every major business they want to be in regardless of what the workers want! Domestic drilling stopped, business crippled, economy tanking and then we can all finally equally broke. Guam is looking pretty good.

Guam will be given to the chinese.

[theHawk]

The best reason to vote for Obama is because he will continue Bush's Iraq policy. He will very likely also allow Iran to make nukes, which will mean the end of Israel and probably the start of WWIII.

[Kathianne]

I don't think the democratic platform would stand in the way of a young man just starting out with his family.

And I wonder how you know what I can and cannot "afford"?

Only from our discussions, perhaps I inferred incorrectly, I apologize if that was the case. Won't be the first time I leaped to the wrong conclusion.

Actually the spending of all government levels have already made it very difficult for most just at the beginning of their careers/families. Many leave college with 40k-100k in debt, while entering positions at $30-40k. Granted for the most part, by the time their children begin elementary school the salaries have gone up and perhaps the second spouse returns to work. Yet they are getting hit with taxes that are preventing savings. It's not a good situation.

The Republicans have also been at fault here, for at least the last 20 years or so. While you are wedded to your platform, I tend to look at what the candidates are saying about the programs they wish for and the likelihood of their success in getting them passed.

[avatar4321]

I don't think the democratic platform would stand in the way of a young man just starting out with his family.

And I wonder how you know what I can and cannot "afford"?

It does.

[retiredman]

I am wedded to nothing except my mife, of course. The fact of the matter is: Platforms drive legislative agendas. The legislative agenda of the majority party drives what bills are passed and sent to the president. When the president is the same party as the majority in congress, those bills tend to become laws.

[retiredman]

It does.


that is your opinion.... not fact.

I tend to disagree.

[avatar4321]

every bit of it...and I will be proud to pay my fair share

Yeah, well the rest of us are tired of others claiming are fair share is working from january through april just to pay off the government as we are now.

[retiredman]

Yeah, well the rest of us are tired of others claiming are fair share is working from january through april just to pay off the government as we are now.


then the rest of you should move somewhere else, or try to elect republicans that can get and hold a majority and will actually DO something about it instead of perpetuating it.

[Little-Acorn]

Good for you. Then again, you can afford the 'redistribution'.

Lots of people can "afford" the redistribution the socialists have in mind. Namely, the people that money would be redistributed TO. They have no trouble with the scheme.

Those it would be redistributed FROM, mostly cannot afford it.

As I've asked elsewhere, has Sen. Obama explained how we are to pay for the increased taxes he will take from us? What activities/goods/services does he intend for us to stop doing or using, to pay for his tax increases?

[Yurt]

then the rest of you should move somewhere else, or try to elect republicans that can get and hold a majority and will actually DO something about it instead of perpetuating it.

so you have no problem with people telling you to move elsewhere if you don't certain policies? you have never rebuked someone for telling you to leave america? better yet, you have never rebuked someone for telling you to leave this site, let alone a country...

[avatar4321]

then the rest of you should move somewhere else, or try to elect republicans that can get and hold a majority and will actually DO something about it instead of perpetuating it.

Republicans were doing something about. They were cutting taxes. Obviously they could have done more. They actually had the budget balanced for 6 years.

And taxes are screwing up people all over the country. Im just tired of it. I want to be able to support myself and my family without being a slave for the government more than 1/3 of the year.

[retiredman]

Republicans were doing something about. They were cutting taxes. Obviously they could have done more. They actually had the budget balanced for 6 years.

And taxes are screwing up people all over the country. Im just tired of it. I want to be able to support myself and my family without being a slave for the government more than 1/3 of the year.

they had the budget balanced for six years? how is it that in the seven plus years of Bush's presidency, he has gone from a budget surplus left to him by the Clinton administration, to the largest budget deficit in history? Mosdt of that damage was done during the six years when you had the congress and the white house.
And again...if you are tired of the taxes here in America, move...don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

[Kathianne]

I am wedded to nothing except my mife, of course. The fact of the matter is: Platforms drive legislative agendas. The legislative agenda of the majority party drives what bills are passed and sent to the president. When the president is the same party as the majority in congress, those bills tend to become laws.

With the diversion of a definition, we are in agreement. While the outcome of the Presidential election may be up for question, in my opinion it's close to inevitable that the democrats will be in control of both house of Congress. I prefer not to see the Democratic Platform come close to full implementation, imo that would be bad for the people.

[retiredman]

With the diversion of a definition, we are in agreement. While the outcome of the Presidential election may be up for question, in my opinion it's close to inevitable that the democrats will be in control of both house of Congress. I prefer not to see the Democratic Platform come close to full implementation, imo that would be bad for the people.
and that is why you are not a democrat. I am... and am looking forward to the better America that will result from the passage of our platform.

[avatar4321]

they had the budget balanced for six years? how is it that in the seven plus years of Bush's presidency, he has gone from a budget surplus left to him by the Clinton administration, to the largest budget deficit in history? Mosdt of that damage was done during the six years when you had the congress and the white house.
And again...if you are tired of the taxes here in America, move...don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

From 1994-2000 the Republicans took a deficit budget and balanced it. THat would be 6 years.

The Bush adminsitration has been lax, which isnt a surprise when Clinton left him a recession, 9/11 occured, and he had to rebuild the military. Unfortunately his priorities have not been focused on restoring the balance.

That's still 6 years longer than the Democrats have balanced the budget in the last 50 years. So it looks like Republicans have an edge.

[avatar4321]

and that is why you are not a democrat. I am... and am looking forward to the better America that will result from the passage of our platform.

When you give government the power to run your life, life is never better for anyone.

[Sitarro]

they had the budget balanced for six years? how is it that in the seven plus years of Bush's presidency, he has gone from a budget surplus left to him by the Clinton administration, to the largest budget deficit in history? Mosdt of that damage was done during the six years when you had the congress and the white house.
And again...if you are tired of the taxes here in America, move...don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

There's that huge lie that your side has been repeating to the idiots that make up your fellow non-thinkers, it obviously works with them. There was NEVER A BUDGET SURPLUS, It WAS A PROJECTED BUDGET SURPLUS IF THE FAKE ECONOMY OF THE DOT COMS WOULD HAVE CONTINUED FOR TEN YEARS AND THE BIGGEST TAX INCREASE IN HISTORY WOULD HAVE REMAINED IN PLACE!!!!!!!!!

[Immanuel]

don't bother voting for Obama. He'll have enough votes to be elected without yours.

for those of us who believe that enacting the democratic party platform would be GOOD for America, electing Obama to go along with our majorities in the house and the senate and what that all means regarding the advancement of that platform is an easy choice.

Blind trust in a politician from a preacher? That is a scary, scary thought. The only one you should be blindly trusting is the messiah. A lot of Republicans are making foolish jokes about Obama thinking he is the second coming of Christ. Is this where they are getting that?

My friend, Obama is a good politician. He'll give you the shaft just as quickly as gwb did. All that matters to him is power.


then the rest of you should move somewhere else, or try to elect republicans that can get and hold a majority and will actually DO something about it instead of perpetuating it.

Republicans are no better than their Democratic opponents. Neither party really cares about Americans. The only thing they really care about is money, power and future votes.


When you give government the power to run your life, life is never better for anyone.

Too late... our government has usurped that power. It is now our job to wrest power back from the government in a peaceful manner. We've got to curb governmental power before the government eats us alive.

Immie

[retiredman]

From 1994-2000 the Republicans took a deficit budget and balanced it. THat would be 6 years.

The Bush adminsitration has been lax, which isnt a surprise when Clinton left him a recession, 9/11 occured, and he had to rebuild the military. Unfortunately his priorities have not been focused on restoring the balance.

That's still 6 years longer than the Democrats have balanced the budget in the last 50 years. So it looks like Republicans have an edge.

Clinton, along with the congress, balanced the budget during those years.

You talk about the "Bush administration" but fail to give any credit to the "Clinton administration"

[retiredman]

When you give government the power to run your life, life is never better for anyone.

I have never advocated giving government the power to run my life, or anyone else's life for that matter. that is pure rhetorical hyperbole.