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07-05-2008, 11:55 PM
JERUSALEM: A three-foot-tall tablet with 87 lines of Hebrew that scholars believe dates from the decades just before the birth of Jesus is causing a quiet stir in biblical and archaeological circles, especially because it may speak of a messiah who will rise from the dead after three days.

If such a messianic description really is there, it will contribute to a developing re-evaluation of both popular and scholarly views of Jesus, since it suggests that the story of his death and resurrection was not unique but part of a recognized Jewish tradition at the time.

The tablet, probably found near the Dead Sea in Jordan according to some scholars who have studied it, is a rare example of a stone with ink writings from that era — in essence, a Dead Sea Scroll on stone.

It is written, not engraved, across two neat columns, similar to columns in a Torah. But the stone is broken, and some of the text is faded, meaning that much of what it says is open to debate.

Still, its authenticity has so far faced no challenge, so its role in helping to understand the roots of Christianity in the devastating political crisis faced by the Jews of the time seems likely to increase.

Daniel Boyarin, a professor of Talmudic culture at the University of California at Berkeley, said that the stone was part of a growing body of evidence suggesting that Jesus could be best understood through a close reading of the Jewish history of his day.

"Some Christians will find it shocking — a challenge to the uniqueness of their theology — while others will be comforted by the idea of it being a traditional part of Judaism," Boyarin said.

Given the highly charged atmosphere surrounding all Jesus-era artifacts and writings, both in the general public and in the fractured and fiercely competitive scholarly community, as well as the concern over forgery and charlatanism, it will probably be some time before the tablet's contribution is fully assessed. It has been around 60 years since the Dead Sea Scrolls were uncovered, and they continue to generate enormous controversy regarding their authors and meaning.

The scrolls, documents found in the Qumran caves of the West Bank, contain some of the only known surviving copies of biblical writings from before the first century AD In addition to quoting from key books of the Bible, the scrolls describe a variety of practices and beliefs of a Jewish sect at the time of Jesus.

How representative the descriptions are and what they tell us about the era are still strongly debated. For example, a question that arises is whether the authors of the scrolls were members of a monastic sect or in fact mainstream. A conference marking 60 years since the discovery of the scrolls will begin on Sunday at the Israel Museum in Jerusalem, where the stone, and the debate over whether it speaks of a resurrected messiah, as one iconoclastic scholar believes, also will be discussed.

Oddly, the stone is not really a new discovery. It was found about a decade ago and bought from a Jordanian antiquities dealer by an Israeli-Swiss collector who kept it in his Zurich home. When an Israeli scholar examined it closely a few years ago and wrote a paper on it last year, interest began to rise. There is now a spate of scholarly articles on the stone, with several due to be published in the coming months.

"I couldn't make much out of it when I got it," said David Jeselsohn, the owner, who is himself an expert in antiquities. "I didn't realize how significant it was until I showed it to Ada Yardeni, who specializes in Hebrew writing, a few years ago. She was overwhelmed. 'You have got a Dead Sea Scroll on stone,' she told me."

Much of the text, a vision of the apocalypse transmitted by the angel Gabriel, draws on the Old Testament, especially the prophets Daniel, Zechariah and Haggai.

Yardeni, who analyzed the stone along with Binyamin Elitzur, is an expert on Hebrew script, especially of the era of King Herod, who died in 4 BC The two of them published a long analysis of the stone more than a year ago in Cathedra, a Hebrew-language quarterly devoted to the history and archaeology of Israel, and said that, based on the shape of the script and the language, the text dated from the late first century BC

A chemical examination by Yuval Goren, a professor of archaeology at Tel Aviv University who specializes in the verification of ancient artifacts, has been submitted to a peer-review journal. He declined to give details of his analysis until publication, but he said that he knew of no reason to doubt the stone's authenticity.

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bullypulpit
07-12-2008, 09:19 AM
Chiristianity is a polyglot religion, having borrowed or co-opted elements of other religions, both contemporaneous and previous.

glockmail
07-12-2008, 02:55 PM
Regarding Knohl's thesis, Bar-Asher is also respectful but cautious. "There is one problem," he said. "In crucial places of the text there is lack of text. I understand Knohl's tendency to find there keys to the pre-Christian period, but in two to three crucial lines of text there are a lot of missing words." Interesting that in this day of hyper-sensitive chemical testing the exact text cannot be better established.

Yurt
07-12-2008, 07:55 PM
Chiristianity is a polyglot religion, having borrowed or co-opted elements of other religions, both contemporaneous and previous.

imagine that, many religions taking the truth of the one true God and distorting it because the power of the one true God is so great that if these false religions take tiny parts of truth and mingle it with falsehood, many will be fooled.

Missileman
07-12-2008, 09:09 PM
imagine that, many religions taking the truth of the one true God and distorting it because the power of the one true God is so great that if these false religions take tiny parts of truth and mingle it with falsehood, many will be fooled.

:lame2:

Yeah...right. All of these other religions have no desire to worship the one true God...they'd rather worship a false god instead...all the benefits derived from worshipping a false god and all that.

Yurt
07-12-2008, 09:41 PM
:lame2:

Yeah...right. All of these other religions have no desire to worship the one true God...they'd rather worship a false god instead...all the benefits derived from worshipping a false god and all that.

of course, spread a wee bit o truth with falsehoods and watch the money and sacrifices come in

are you that naive?

Missileman
07-12-2008, 11:01 PM
of course, spread a wee bit o truth with falsehoods and watch the money and sacrifices come in

are you that naive?

When the same money is available in the worship of a "true" god?

Are you that desperate?

manu1959
07-12-2008, 11:28 PM
:lame2:

Yeah...right. All of these other religions have no desire to worship the one true God...they'd rather worship a false god instead...all the benefits derived from worshipping a false god and all that.

well dude there can not be multiple creators.....so it would be good to pick the right one.....

Yurt
07-12-2008, 11:39 PM
When the same money is available in the worship of a "true" god?

Are you that desperate?

???

are you sure...

so because the one true God has followers that use "the same money" that means.............

PostmodernProphet
07-13-2008, 05:13 AM
I am not sure what the "controversy" is.....there are passages from Isaiah and Jeremiah written five hundred years earlier than this tablet that indicate the coming of a messiah that would be sacrificed but would be king......

Missileman
07-13-2008, 08:57 AM
well dude there can not be multiple creators.....so it would be good to pick the right one.....

If you're into that, absolutely. Suggestions that someone would, in the knowledge of a "true" god, intentionally create a religion to worship a "false" god are nonsense.

Missileman
07-13-2008, 09:15 AM
???

are you sure...

so because the one true God has followers that use "the same money" that means.............

It was your implication that the purveyors of "false" religions are motivated by money, not mine.

You need to ask yourself that question, I already know what it means.