15 mins after USSC Heller ruling, group sues to overturn Chicago gun ban

[Little-Acorn]

Let the party begin!

As I posted elsewhere, even though the Supreme Court's DC v. Heller decision only overturns one law in one locality, it sets a number of precedents with its language clarifying the real meaning and origins of the 2nd amendment - precedents that can be used in future court cases when people sue to regain their right to keep and bear arms. Such language (aka "dicta") may or may not have effects in future cases, but there's only one way to find out.

Well, those suits haven't taken long to get going. The more, the merrier! There are more than 70 years of unconstitutional "gun control" laws on the books. Time to start knocking them down, at last.

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http://cbs2chicago.com/local/supreme.court.handguns.2.757471.html

Group Quickly Sues To Overturn Chicago Gun Ban

U.S. Supreme Court: Americans May Own Guns For Protection, Hunting; Ruling Casts Doubt On City's Decades Old Law

CHICAGO (CBS) ― The U.S. Supreme Court says Americans have a right to own guns for self-defense and hunting, and the ruling will likely invalidate the 26-year-old ban on handguns in the City of Chicago.

In fact, the Illinois State Rifle Association has already filed a lawsuit challenging the Chicago ban. They filed the suit within 15 minutes of the high court's ruling.

The 5-4 ruling specifically struck down a ban on handguns in Washington, D.C. The court ruled that the District of Columbia's 32-year-old ban on handguns is incompatible with gun rights under the Second Amendment. The decision goes further than even the Bush administration wanted, and leaves most gun laws intact, but could invalidate Chicago's.

The Supreme Court ruling does not automatically invalidate the Chicago handgun ban, but opens up the possibility of a court challenge that could get it declared unconstitutional.

The Illinois State Rifle Association filed a lawsuit with just that purpose in mind at 9:15 a.m.

The National Rifle Association also plans to file lawsuits in Chicago and several suburbs, as well as San Francisco, challenging handgun restrictions there based on Thursday's outcome.

[midcan5]

As the dissenters wrote, this gives the federal government jurisdiction over the State's right to decide. In actuality, guns have little relevance in life, unless too many become armed which would just mean more deaths, accidental and stupid. Guns are like abortion, an irreverent issue for most, that keeps people controlled and directed to the irrelevant as the powers plunder and pillage.


"If Osama bin Laden had had more sense, instead of launching a terrorist attack, he would simply have provided financial backing to the NRA."

http://thegreenman.net.au/mt/archives/000473.html

FACT: Comparison of U.S. gun homicides to other industrialized countries:
In 1998 (the most recent year for which this data has been compiled), handguns murdered:

* 373 people in Germany
* 151 people in Canada
* 57 people in Australia
* 19 people in Japan
* 54 people in England and Wales, and
* 11,789 people in the United States

(*Please note that these 1998 numbers account only for HOMICIDES, and do not include suicides, which comprise and even greater number of gun deaths, or unintentional shootings).
- Provided by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence

http://www.ichv.org/Statistics.htm

[Little-Acorn]

As the dissenters wrote, this gives the federal government jurisdiction over the State's right to decide.

Right. Just like the 13th amendment gave the Fed govt jurisdiction over states' rights to decide whether to have slavery in their state.

Except that this case did not give the Fed that power. The 2nd amendment gave the Fed that power, more than 200 years ago, and let people challenge anti-gun laws in Federal courts.

This case merely reined in some of the people who were trying to violate the 2nd.

Count on many more such cases in the near future. Because there are a LOT of unconstitutional "gun control" laws that need reining in.

[hjmick]

Gun control is the first step on the road to allowing the government absolute control over the populace. Often the next step is to eliminate those who disagree with the government. History proves this to be true.

MAJOR 20th CENTURY GENOCIDES -- THE COST OF GUN-CONTROL:

Government: Ottoman Turkey Date of genocide: 1915-17 Target: Armenians Est. Deaths: 1-1.5 Mil. Date of gun control law: 1866 Art. 166, Penal Code

Government: Soviet Union Date of genocide: 1929-53 Target: Anti-Comm./Anti-Stal. Est. Deaths: 20 Million Date of gun control law: 1929 Art. 128, Penal Code

Government: Nazi Germany & occupied Europe Date of genocide: 1933-45 Target:Jews, Anti-Nazis, Gypsies Est. Deaths: 13 Million Date of gun control law: 1928 Law on Fire-arms & Ammun. April 12, Weapons Law, March 18

Government: China Date of genocide: 1948-52 Target: Anti- Communists Est. Deaths: 20 Million Date of gun control law: 1935 Arts. 186 & 7 Penal Code.

Government: Guatemala Date of genocide: 1960-81 Target: Mayan Indians Est. Deaths: 100,000 Date of gun control law: 1871 Decree #36; 1964 Decree #283

Government: Uganda Date of genocide: 1971-79 Target: Christians, Pol. Rivals Est. Deaths: 300,000 Date of gun control law: 1955 Firearms Ord.; 1970 Firearms Act

Government: Cambodia Date of genocide: 1975-79 Target: Educated Persons Est. Deaths: 1 Million Date of gun control law: 1956 Arts. 322-328, Penal Code

TOTAL VICTIMS: 55.9 MILLION

And I'm betting there are whole lot of people in Darfur who wish they had guns.


Genocide happens.

It doesn’t happen whenever the would-be targets own guns.


Fear the governemnt that fears your guns.

[DragonStryk72]

As the dissenters wrote, this gives the federal government jurisdiction over the State's right to decide. In actuality, guns have little relevance in life, unless too many become armed which would just mean more deaths, accidental and stupid. Guns are like abortion, an irreverent issue for most, that keeps people controlled and directed to the irrelevant as the powers plunder and pillage.


"If Osama bin Laden had had more sense, instead of launching a terrorist attack, he would simply have provided financial backing to the NRA."

http://thegreenman.net.au/mt/archives/000473.html

FACT: Comparison of U.S. gun homicides to other industrialized countries:
In 1998 (the most recent year for which this data has been compiled), handguns murdered:

* 373 people in Germany
* 151 people in Canada
* 57 people in Australia
* 19 people in Japan
* 54 people in England and Wales, and
* 11,789 people in the United States

(*Please note that these 1998 numbers account only for HOMICIDES, and do not include suicides, which comprise and even greater number of gun deaths, or unintentional shootings).
- Provided by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence

http://www.ichv.org/Statistics.htm

However, there are flaws to this logic. One is that quite simply, none of those listed countries have anywhere near our population, and thus, may be closer together percentage-wise than the numbers would indicate.

The other major hole in this study is simple: It does not account for the number of murders made with illegal firearms (If the vast majority of handguns used for murders are illegal, then that would obviously invalidate a number of gun "control" laws, which in the end, only strip the guns out of the hands of the law abiding).

The reason that this study is not as all-encompassing as it would need to be to be taken as imperical evidence is because it is not neutrally done. It was put together by the Brady campaign, the very group trying to strip away guns.

when someone gets to the point of killing people, very little chance exists that they will fret over the violation of the smaller crime of using an illegal firearm, just as an arsonist worries little over the idea of a small side fire.

[Yurt]

As the dissenters wrote, this gives the federal government jurisdiction over the State's right to decide. In actuality, guns have little relevance in life, unless too many become armed which would just mean more deaths, accidental and stupid. Guns are like abortion, an irreverent issue for most, that keeps people controlled and directed to the irrelevant as the powers plunder and pillage.


"If Osama bin Laden had had more sense, instead of launching a terrorist attack, he would simply have provided financial backing to the NRA."


as acorn said, you are wrong about the state rights issue, this is a 2nd amendment issue and the supreme court has original jurisdiction...try reading your constitution sometime

and "irreverent" or irrelevant issue for most? i think the issue is important and you are also wrong about abortion not being important to people. did the ban in DC help crime go down? no. did the fact that college students were not allowed to carry firearms on campus stop the massacre at virginia tech? no.

explain your statement on OBL...it makes zero sense.

you seem to occasionally be a smart guy, let me ask you this:

do you think all forms of defense, guns, etc, should solely be in the hands of the government?

i look forward to your answer.

[Kathianne]

Yes, this ruling was definitely good for Chicago.

[glockmail]

As the dissenters wrote, this gives the federal government jurisdiction over the State's right to decide. .... You don't seem to have a problem with the feds saying that a State can't put a child rapist to death, and that's not something specifically enumerated in the Constitution.

[avatar4321]

As the dissenters wrote, this gives the federal government jurisdiction over the State's right to decide. In actuality, guns have little relevance in life, unless too many become armed which would just mean more deaths, accidental and stupid. Guns are like abortion, an irreverent issue for most, that keeps people controlled and directed to the irrelevant as the powers plunder and pillage.


"If Osama bin Laden had had more sense, instead of launching a terrorist attack, he would simply have provided financial backing to the NRA."

http://thegreenman.net.au/mt/archives/000473.html

FACT: Comparison of U.S. gun homicides to other industrialized countries:
In 1998 (the most recent year for which this data has been compiled), handguns murdered:

* 373 people in Germany
* 151 people in Canada
* 57 people in Australia
* 19 people in Japan
* 54 people in England and Wales, and
* 11,789 people in the United States

(*Please note that these 1998 numbers account only for HOMICIDES, and do not include suicides, which comprise and even greater number of gun deaths, or unintentional shootings).
- Provided by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence

http://www.ichv.org/Statistics.htm

The federal government has had jurisdiction since the Second Amendment was passed. The Supremacy clause makes the Federal Constitution the law of the land and supercedes any law the states may pass contrary to the Constitution. I know you might not like that. But for those of us who care about the Constitution being enforced, this is a fabulous day.

[5stringJeff]

As the dissenters wrote, this gives the federal government jurisdiction over the State's right to decide.

That's exactly what the Bill of Rights is there for - to protect the people from governmental intrusion of God-given rights.