McCain heading for huge butt kicking in November

[GW in Ohio]

June 25 (Bloomberg) -- Democrat Barack Obama has opened a 15-point lead in the presidential race, and most of the political trends -- voter enthusiasm, views of President George W. Bush, the Republicans, the economy and the direction of the country -- point to even greater trouble for rival John McCain.

Illinois Senator Obama, winning support from once skeptical women and Democrats, beats McCain 48 percent to 33 percent in a four-way race, a Bloomberg/Los Angeles Times poll shows. Independent candidates Bob Barr and Ralph Nader get 7 percent combined, with the remainder undecided.

Obama's margin and most of the poll's findings in other areas give the Democrats a commanding advantage more than four months before the November election, says Susan Pinkus, the Los Angeles Times polling director.

``The Obama voters are much more energized and motivated to come out to vote than the McCain voters; McCain is still struggling to win over some of his core groups,'' she says. ``The good news for Obama is also that he seems to be doing better on the issue that is uppermost in voters' minds, and that is the economy.''

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Read more here: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=agCTbSDJ83rc

[glockmail]

I recall the same type of articles about McGovern and Carter.

[Hagbard Celine]

I recall the same type of articles about McGovern and Carter.

If memory serves, they won didn't they? :poke:

[glockmail]

If memory serves, they won didn't they? :poke:
Nixon beat McGovern in very State except Massachusetts, and Reagan delivered a landslide victory over Carter.

[hjmick]

If memory serves, they won didn't they? :poke:

McGovern was President? Did I sleep through four years?

And I believe the Carter reference was in relation to his campaign against Reagan.

And, as I have mentioned before, let's not forget the Dukakis/Bush race. Dukakis was up by double digits in June and for much of the race. Needless to say, his Presidency was nonexistent.

Now, while it is Obama's race to lose, I don't know that I would be relying on these early poll numbers to anoint your savior.

[GW in Ohio]

McGovern was President? Did I sleep through four years?

And I believe the Carter reference was in relation to his campaign against Reagan.

And, as I have mentioned before, let's not forget the Dukakis/Bush race. Dukakis was up by double digits in June and for much of the race. Needless to say, his Presidency was nonexistent.

Now, while it is Obama's race to lose, I don't know that I would be relying on these early poll numbers to anoint your savior.

hjmick: If you look back on the primary campaign, Obama picked up strength in just about every primary as time went on. As people got to know him, they liked him.

[hjmick]

hjmick: If you look back on the primary campaign, Obama picked up strength in just about every primary as time went on. As people got to know him, they liked him.

Make no mistake, GW, I fully anticipate an Obama win come November. More a result of Bush fatigue than Obama's qualifications, but a win nonetheless. I am merely pointing out the historical outcomes we've seen in previous campaigns. I came across an article a few days ago, I've been trying to find it to no avail, that mentioned several instances where the candidate who led early wound up losing the election.

Remember:

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/treasures/images/at0069_4s.jpg

Anything can happen and it usually does.

[Trigg]

hjmick: If you look back on the primary campaign, Obama picked up strength in just about every primary as time went on. As people got to know him, they liked him.

Actually it looked like towards the end Hillary was taking state after state until she dropped out. Obama was looking pretty bad.

Hillary took Indiana, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Kentucky, Puerto Rico, and South Dakota.

In fact I would venture that if some of the info about Obama had come out earlier he wouldn't have done so well on super Tuesday.

[gabosaurus]

I don't believe in polls. I believe in actual results.

[Yurt]

I don't believe in polls. I believe in actual results.

what do you have against polish people

[Monkeybone]

Actually it looked like towards the end Hillary was taking state after state until she dropped out. Obama was looking pretty bad.

Hillary took Indiana, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Kentucky, Puerto Rico, and South Dakota.

In fact I would venture that if some of the info about Obama had come out earlier he wouldn't have done so well on super Tuesday.

duh! that's cuz those are all hick-racist states!

[hjmick]

duh! that's cuz those are all hick-racist states!

Damn gun clinging, Bible thumpers!

[Hagbard Celine]

Nixon beat McGovern in very State except Massachusetts, and Reagan delivered a landslide victory over Carter.

I was talking about Carter. (shrug)

[glockmail]

I was talking about Carter. (shrug) Carter barely won in '76, and only because Ford was such a bumbler and everyone was tired of the whole Nixon affair. In reality Ford was one of our best Presidents and had nothing at all to do with Nixon, but the Democrats portrayed him as falling down the stairs of Air Force One and tied him to Nixon just like they are trying to tie McCain to Bush.

[GW in Ohio]

Carter barely won in '76, and only because Ford was such a bumbler and everyone was tired of the whole Nixon affair. In reality Ford was one of our best Presidents and had nothing at all to do with Nixon, but the Democrats portrayed him as falling down the stairs of Air Force One and tied him to Nixon just like they are trying to tie McCain to Bush.

Nobody has to "try" to tie McCain to Bush. McCain has already tied himself to the Bush Iraq policy. That's strike one.

Furthermore, people are tired of Republicans (thanks to incompetents like Bush, jerks like Cheney, and embarrassments like Larry Craig). McCain is a Republican.

That's strike two.

[OCA]

June 25 (Bloomberg) -- Democrat Barack Obama has opened a 15-point lead in the presidential race, and most of the political trends -- voter enthusiasm, views of President George W. Bush, the Republicans, the economy and the direction of the country -- point to even greater trouble for rival John McCain.

Illinois Senator Obama, winning support from once skeptical women and Democrats, beats McCain 48 percent to 33 percent in a four-way race, a Bloomberg/Los Angeles Times poll shows. Independent candidates Bob Barr and Ralph Nader get 7 percent combined, with the remainder undecided.

Obama's margin and most of the poll's findings in other areas give the Democrats a commanding advantage more than four months before the November election, says Susan Pinkus, the Los Angeles Times polling director.

``The Obama voters are much more energized and motivated to come out to vote than the McCain voters; McCain is still struggling to win over some of his core groups,'' she says. ``The good news for Obama is also that he seems to be doing better on the issue that is uppermost in voters' minds, and that is the economy.''

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Read more here: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=agCTbSDJ83rc

Actually no, America is headed for a big ass kicking no matter which of these two jerkoffs gets elected.

Keep on electing Demos and Repubs and nothing will get better except elected officials bank accounts.

[theHawk]

Kerry lead Bush in the polls too.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/06/comparing_polls_junejuly_2004.asp


Polls don't mean a damned thing. They are usually liberaly biased to begin with. And national polls don't mean anything even if they are accurate. Its all about the electorial map. A few partisan hacks have posted some biased websites that show Obama winning Ohio and other key battleground states that are way too early to call.

That being said I won't be surprised if Obama wins, ignorance and stupidity breed alot easier than common sense and intelligence in this country now with liberalism as rampant as it is. Add the fact that McCain isn't a conservative and it will be likely McCain won't get alot of conservatives out on election day. I won't be too surprised to see conservates a small minority in this country if Obama wins and along with a democratic Congress and liberal SCOTUS virtually destroy the Constitution and expand government and enforce their draconian socialist policies to force the elite 5% income earners to pay the way for the other 95%.

[5stringJeff]

Actually no, America is headed for a big ass kicking no matter which of these two jerkoffs gets elected.

Keep on electing Demos and Repubs and nothing will get better except elected officials bank accounts.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

[glockmail]

Nobody has to "try" to tie McCain to Bush. McCain has already tied himself to the Bush Iraq policy. That's strike one.

Furthermore, people are tired of Republicans (thanks to incompetents like Bush, jerks like Cheney, and embarrassments like Larry Craig). McCain is a Republican.

That's strike two.
I can't argue with that illogic. :pee:

[avatar4321]

June 25 (Bloomberg) -- Democrat Barack Obama has opened a 15-point lead in the presidential race, and most of the political trends -- voter enthusiasm, views of President George W. Bush, the Republicans, the economy and the direction of the country -- point to even greater trouble for rival John McCain.

Illinois Senator Obama, winning support from once skeptical women and Democrats, beats McCain 48 percent to 33 percent in a four-way race, a Bloomberg/Los Angeles Times poll shows. Independent candidates Bob Barr and Ralph Nader get 7 percent combined, with the remainder undecided.

Obama's margin and most of the poll's findings in other areas give the Democrats a commanding advantage more than four months before the November election, says Susan Pinkus, the Los Angeles Times polling director.

``The Obama voters are much more energized and motivated to come out to vote than the McCain voters; McCain is still struggling to win over some of his core groups,'' she says. ``The good news for Obama is also that he seems to be doing better on the issue that is uppermost in voters' minds, and that is the economy.''

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Read more here: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=agCTbSDJ83rc

What a surprise, you poll more democrats and Obama is winning. Who would have thunk Democrats would support Obama.

The following section of the article is why i think Obama has some serious problems:


Independents

The poll shows that Obama needs to do more to sway independents, who may prove critical in November. McCain leads Obama 36 percent to 33 percent among independents in a four-way race. In a two-way competition, Obama loses to McCain by 8 points.