Bush: lift ban on off shore drilling

[namvet]

WASHINGTON — President Bush called on Congress Wednesday to open U.S. coastal waters to oil and gas development by lifting a 27-year-old ban on drilling off the American coastline, and allowing states to decide whether to permit production off their shores.

Blaming Democrats for stalling, Bush said, "Congress must face a hard reality. Unless members are willing to accept gas prices at a today's levels, or even higher," the country "must produce more oil, and we must start now."


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the democraps say:

WASHINGTON — Eleven senators called on the Bush administration Tuesday to file a complaint with the World Trade Organization against eight members of the OPEC cartel, saying they are violating trade rules by colluding to hold down global oil supplies.

The senators, 10 Democrats and one independent, maintained "the very existence of OPEC" violates the GATT trade agreement that prohibits nations from setting quotas or imposing other restrictions on exports.


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so the dems wanna go after OPEC. ha can you say boomerang ????? they would rather risk even higher prices to protect the lil' fish's and coral reefs. right.

[PostmodernProphet]

so basically, the Dems figure it's OPEC's fault because they aren't willing to pump more oil of of OPEC's environment......

[Classact]

The demwits are losing this debate... they keep sending bills to sue OPEC and Wall Street and fine the oil companies and every damned bill they bring to the floor of the Senate has from 1.5 to 2.5 billion dollars of tax relief for trial lawyers... The Demwit Party is the Environmental/Trial Lawyer Party... we cannot drill our way out of this...

The folks are going to demand the trial lawyers and environmentalist get the hell out of the way of the oil exploration team that will bring down energy prices and the Demwits house of obstruction will come tumbling down as the far left hold Demwits feet to the fire.

[red states rule]

The demwits are losing this debate... they keep sending bills to sue OPEC and Wall Street and fine the oil companies and every damned bill they bring to the floor of the Senate has from 1.5 to 2.5 billion dollars of tax relief for trial lawyers... The Demwit Party is the Environmental/Trial Lawyer Party... we cannot drill our way out of this...

The folks are going to demand the trial lawyers and environmentalist get the hell out of the way of the oil exploration team that will bring down energy prices and the Demwits house of obstruction will come tumbling down as the far left hold Demwits feet to the fire.

Why is it so damn hard for libs to understand if we increase our own production (And refinery capacity) prices art the pump will drop

Finally, Dems are standing against energy independence for the US and everyone can see it

[Hobbit]

News flash to the dolts: The amount of oil that seeps naturally to the surface from underground reserves in the Gulf of Mexico each year is TWICE the Exxon Valdez spill, and this oil wouldn't be seeping if those reserves were tapped. Oil companies have the motivation to stop such seepage when it represents lost profits.

[crin63]

It won't matter in the Peoples Republic of California what gets passed in Washington. The coastal clowns with the majority of the money and political power will stop anything from happening off our shores.

Just like they did with LNG Proposal that was so far offshore that it couldn't even be seen. But as usual the environmental wackos stopped it from happening. It was Liquefied Natural Gas, come on thats clean burning but the loons just want absolute control.

Environmental wackos should volunteer to pay for the increase in fuel costs if they are really serious about the environment.

They should gladly pay out of their own pockets any extra costs that the American people have, that are associated with imported oil right?

[red states rule]

News flash to the dolts: The amount of oil that seeps naturally to the surface from underground reserves in the Gulf of Mexico each year is TWICE the Exxon Valdez spill, and this oil wouldn't be seeping if those reserves were tapped. Oil companies have the motivation to stop such seepage when it represents lost profits.

Even during the hurricanes in the Gulf, none of the oil rigs spilled a drop of oil

[namvet]

It won't matter in the Peoples Republic of California what gets passed in Washington. The coastal clowns with the majority of the money and political power will stop anything from happening off our shores.

Just like they did with LNG Proposal that was so far offshore that it couldn't even be seen. But as usual the environmental wackos stopped it from happening. It was Liquefied Natural Gas, come on thats clean burning but the loons just want absolute control.

Environmental wackos should volunteer to pay for the increase in fuel costs if they are really serious about the environment.

They should gladly pay out of their own pockets any extra costs that the American people have, that are associated with imported oil right?

unless the Environmental shit heads are getting free oil they pay the same price as us?????

[red states rule]

unless the Environmental shit heads are getting free oil they pay the same price as us?????

It does not matter to them. They will pay it, while trying to blame others for their failed policies

They are the ones who do not wnat gas prices to fall. They want them even higher

So they can blame Big oil, Pres Bush, VP Cheney - everyone except their failed policies that gave us the high price of oil

[MtnBiker]

Drilling for our own oil (engery) will only bring gas prices down a few pennies. Drilling for our own oil (energy) will not result in more supply for years to come. Drilling for our own oil (energy) will destroy pristine environment. We need to look for alternative sources of energy, wind power and solar, biofuels, these will all increase jobs and solve our dependency on foreign oil, and lower Big Oil profits

[Classact]

It won't matter in the Peoples Republic of California what gets passed in Washington. The coastal clowns with the majority of the money and political power will stop anything from happening off our shores.

Just like they did with LNG Proposal that was so far offshore that it couldn't even be seen. But as usual the environmental wackos stopped it from happening. It was Liquefied Natural Gas, come on thats clean burning but the loons just want absolute control.

Environmental wackos should volunteer to pay for the increase in fuel costs if they are really serious about the environment.

They should gladly pay out of their own pockets any extra costs that the American people have, that are associated with imported oil right?I heard a Senator state last week that CA does do off shore oil exploration even off Santa Barbabra where the oil spill was located back in the 60's... they just don't want federal off shore drilling. This chart is rather confusing but it indicates that there are active oil wells off shore of CA. The senator speaking said something like if it is in the State's 3 mile area then the state gets all the royalties and when it is three miles and out the state gets nothing... here's the chart (scroll down to the bottom of the page) http://www.countyofsb.org/energy/information/fedRevenues.asp

[red states rule]

Drilling for our own oil (engery) will only bring gas prices down a few pennies. Drilling for our own oil (energy) will not result in more supply for years to come. Drilling for our own oil (energy) will destroy pristine environment. We need to look for alternative sources of energy, wind power and solar, biofuels, these will all increase jobs and solve our dependency on foreign oil, and lower Big Oil profits


If the US sends the message we are serious about drilling for all the oil we have within our borders, it will lower the price. The futures price will go down

What "pristine environment" will be "destroyed?

All the ideas the enviro wackos and the Dems has offered will only make oil prices rise, along witht he price at the pump

[red states rule]

I heard a Senator state last week that CA does do off shore oil exploration even off Santa Barbabra where the oil spill was located back in the 60's... they just don't want federal off shore drilling. This chart is rather confusing but it indicates that there are active oil wells off shore of CA. The senator speaking said something like if it is in the State's 3 mile area then the state gets all the royalties and when it is three miles and out the state gets nothing... here's the chart (scroll down to the bottom of the page) http://www.countyofsb.org/energy/information/fedRevenues.asp

Here is waht the DNC Times had to say about high gas prices

They were very happy with the high prices


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The F-series pickup has been the nation’s best-selling vehicle, on an annual basis, since 1981. But last month, the Ford Motor Company said that it would slash production of pickups and S.U.V.’s. Its full-size pickup plant in Cuautitlán, Mexico, is expected to be used to produce the Ford Fiesta, a subcompact car, instead.

Expensive gasoline is not good news for most American families. In some rural areas where people must drive long distances, and a pickup is more of a necessity than a lifestyle choice, filling up the tank can eat up nearly 15 percent of a worker’s take-home income. Pricey gasoline is acting as a brake on the economy and pushing up the price of food and other goods.

Still, Americans’ response to rising gasoline prices makes an excellent case for a gas tax. It proves that drivers will change their behavior in response to high fuel prices. And even if Detroit doesn’t buy global warming, drivers can help persuade it to embrace fuel efficiency. They don’t even have to know that the Honda Civic emits less than half the 13 tons of greenhouse gases spewed by the Ford F-150.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/17/opinion/17tue3.html?_r=2&ref=opinion&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

[MtnBiker]

If the US sends the message we are serious about drilling for all the oil we have within our borders, it will lower the price. The futures price will go down

What "pristine environment" will be "destroyed?

All the ideas the enviro wackos and the Dems has offered will only make oil prices rise, along witht he price at the pump

Doen't matter, the oil companies will just raise their price so the can keep making obsence profits.

Any environment that the oil companies might do some drilling is pristine and they will destroy that environment. Big Oil does not care about the environment they only care about making money and screwing the American consumer.

[red states rule]

Doen't matter, the oil companies will just raise their price so the can keep making obsence profits.

Any environment that the oil companies might do some drilling is pristine and they will destroy that environment. Big Oil does not care about the environment they only care about making money and screwing the American consumer.

Obscene profits? Do you know what the oil companies make off the sale of a gallon of gas? What their profit margin is?

If any anything about the price of gas is obscene it is the taxes that add bertween 40 to 85 cents to the price

[MtnBiker]

Look, folks, we need to come to grips with at least two agonizing truths. 1) The gasoline gravy train is over, and 2) The oil industry fatcats are getting theirs, and they won't give a darn about us UNTIL WE CONSUME LESS. Come on, PARK THOSE CARS. Start using public trasnportation. Asking for MORE OIL is literally throwing gasoline on the fire!! We will SEE NO CHANGE until we STOP DRIVING. Bush looking to drill more is buying a heroin addict a poppyfield.

[red states rule]

Look, folks, we need to come to grips with at least two agonizing truths. 1) The gasoline gravy train is over, and 2) The oil industry fatcats are getting theirs, and they won't give a darn about us UNTIL WE CONSUME LESS. Come on, PARK THOSE CARS. Start using public trasnportation. Asking for MORE OIL is literally throwing gasoline on the fire!! We will SEE NO CHANGE until we STOP DRIVING. Bush looking to drill more is buying a heroin addict a poppyfield.

With about 65% of oil and natural gas reserves off limits to exploration - where is our free market?

We do ntot have to lower our standard of living, we have to tell the enviro wackos to shut the hell up

BTW, here are some facts of the evil oil companies "obscene" profits


http://money.cnn.com/2008/04/29/markets/thebuzz/

[MtnBiker]

It is clear that Bush is working for the oil companies instead of the American people. The price of oil is indefensible and blaming it on Democrats demonstrates his phony conservative agenda.

Bush is a liar, and the oil companies will conspire to keep oil prices high and reap the benefits of drilling for ultra cheap oil off our shore lines.

Big oil, and the President need to be brought to justice. Bush's own appointed Energy Secretary is saying that "there are no quick fixes to high oil prices".

[namvet]

lets just do it the liberals way and go after OPEC

the penalty (the penalty)

results???


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[red states rule]

Obama, Dems, and the enviro wackos want to take us back to the good ol days of Pres Peanut Carter

Peanut also pushed for, and got, a "windfall" profits tax. Which led to less production of oil, and higher prices

[MtnBiker]

This should be called Bush's last ditch effort to destroy one more thing before he leaves office. The oil won't help anything. We would not even see a difference for at least ten to fifteen years. People need to curb their use. The Democrats have only had the congress for two years and do not have a big enough majority to put anything through. Bush supporters need to just shut up and go back to watching Faux News in your trailer. And one more thing his own brother you know the smart one Jeb voted down more drilling off the the Florida coast because he knows it won;t do anything except screw up the environment.

[red states rule]

It is clear that Bush is working for the oil companies instead of the American people. The price of oil is indefensible and blaming it on Democrats demonstrates his phony conservative agenda.

Bush is a liar, and the oil companies will conspire to keep oil prices high and reap the benefits of drilling for ultra cheap oil off our shore lines.

Big oil, and the President need to be brought to justice. Bush's own appointed Energy Secretary is saying that "there are no quick fixes to high oil prices".

Any proof of your slander, or are you just repeating the DNC approved talking points?

Dems promised in 06 they would lower gas prices, and since they took over Congress gas prices have nearly doubled

Dems are against drilling for oil we have in the US, they are opposed to building and expanding refineries, they are opposed to nuclear,a nd they are opposed to coal

Dems are for tens of billions in new taxes on oil companies. How the hell will that increase supply and lower the price at the pump?

[red states rule]

This should be called Bush's last ditch effort to destroy one more thing before he leaves office. The oil won't help anything. We would not even see a difference for at least ten to fifteen years. People need to curb their use. The Democrats have only had the congress for two years and do not have a big enough majority to put anything through. Bush supporters need to just shut up and go back to watching Faux News in your trailer. And one more thing his own brother you know the smart one Jeb voted down more drilling off the the Florida coast because he knows it won;t do anything except screw up the environment.

Remember, if we started drilling in ANWAR in 2000, as Pres Bush wanted, we could have lillions of barrels a day flowing from Alaska

[MtnBiker]

I thought I would save some time for those opposed to us securing our own energy needs and throw out some talking points. :D

[red states rule]

This should be called Bush's last ditch effort to destroy one more thing before he leaves office. The oil won't help anything. We would not even see a difference for at least ten to fifteen years. People need to curb their use. The Democrats have only had the congress for two years and do not have a big enough majority to put anything through. Bush supporters need to just shut up and go back to watching Faux News in your trailer. And one more thing his own brother you know the smart one Jeb voted down more drilling off the the Florida coast because he knows it won;t do anything except screw up the environment.

BTW, as you lecture us to use LESS energy - send your post to Al Gore. He needs to practice what he preaches

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=15298

[MtnBiker]

BTW, as you lecture us to use LESS energy - send your post to Al Gore. He needs to practice what he preaches

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=15298

Oh shut up and go ride a bike.

[red states rule]

Oh shut up and go ride a bike.

An SUV is much more comfortable :laugh2:

Do you know how much oil is needed to make the bike?

[midcan5]

Drilling for our own oil (engery) will only bring gas prices down a few pennies. Drilling for our own oil (energy) will not result in more supply for years to come. Drilling for our own oil (energy) will destroy pristine environment. We need to look for alternative sources of energy, wind power and solar, biofuels, these will all increase jobs and solve our dependency on foreign oil, and lower Big Oil profits

Agreed.

We already have enough oil being produced, it is the cost that has changed. Why is the hard question.

[red states rule]

Agreed.

We already have enough oil being produced, it is the cost that has changed. Why is the hard question.

We do not have enough oil being produced. Demand is exceeding supply

It is Economics 101 - which is why libs and enviro wackos do not get it

[MtnBiker]

Agreed.

We already have enough oil being produced, it is the cost that has changed. Why is the hard question.


I thought I would save some time for those opposed to us securing our own energy needs and throw out some talking points. :D

See it worked. :D

[glockmail]

News flash to the dolts: The amount of oil that seeps naturally to the surface from underground reserves in the Gulf of Mexico each year is TWICE the Exxon Valdez spill, and this oil wouldn't be seeping if those reserves were tapped. Oil companies have the motivation to stop such seepage when it represents lost profits.
Same thing with natural gas, which is 20 times worse as a greenhouse gas than the CO2 released if it is burned.

[glockmail]

Drilling for our own oil (engery) will only bring gas prices down a few pennies. Drilling for our own oil (energy) will not result in more supply for years to come. Drilling for our own oil (energy) will destroy pristine environment. We need to look for alternative sources of energy, wind power and solar, biofuels, these will all increase jobs and solve our dependency on foreign oil, and lower Big Oil profits Wrong. If Congress voted to open up drilling rights with an order to ignore all environmental namby pambys (as in a national emergency) the same market forces that have caused this bubble would be reversed instantly.

[red states rule]

Wrong. If Congress voted to open up drilling rights with an order to ignore all environmental namby pambys (as in a national emergency) the same market forces that have caused this bubble would be reversed instantly.

You must have taken (and learned) Economics 101 in college

[glockmail]

Doen't matter, the oil companies will just raise their price so the can keep making obsence profits.

Any environment that the oil companies might do some drilling is pristine and they will destroy that environment. Big Oil does not care about the environment they only care about making money and screwing the American consumer.

1. Wrong, because ompany A will compete with Company B.
2. Bullshit and unsubstantiated.

[Yurt]

Wrong. If Congress voted to open up drilling rights with an order to ignore all environmental namby pambys (as in a national emergency) the same market forces that have caused this bubble would be reversed instantly.

i don't think all the same market considerations would, however, one of the larger concerns, supply of oil giving the world wide increased demand, would of course be allayed...

we need to strengthen our dollar

[red states rule]

i don't think all the same market considerations would, however, one of the larger concerns, supply of oil giving the world wide increased demand, would of course be allayed...

we need to strengthen our dollar

By letting the oil companies do what they do best - find, drill, pump, refine, and deliver the finsihed product - will do wonders for our economy and the US dollar

[Sir Evil]

Congressional Democrats were quick to reject the push for lifting the drilling moratorium, saying oil companies already have 68 million acres offshore waters under lease that are not being developed.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called Bush's proposals "another page from (an)... energy policy that was literally written by the oil industry — give away more public resources."

Sen. Barack Obama, the Democrats' presumptive presidential nominee, rejected lifting the drilling moratorium that has been supported by a succession of presidents for nearly two decades.

"This is not something that's going to give consumers short-term relief and it is not a long-term solution to our problems with fossil fuels generally and oil in particular," said Obama. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, lumping Bush with McCain, accused them of staging a "cynical campaign ploy" that won't help lower energy prices.

LINK (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080618/ap_on_go_pr_wh/offshore_oil)

:dunno:

[avatar4321]

Did President Bush rescind the executive order banning off shore production? I've been in Court all day, so I have no clue what's going on.

[Kathianne]

Drilling for our own oil (engery) will only bring gas prices down a few pennies. Drilling for our own oil (energy) will not result in more supply for years to come. Drilling for our own oil (energy) will destroy pristine environment. We need to look for alternative sources of energy, wind power and solar, biofuels, these will all increase jobs and solve our dependency on foreign oil, and lower Big Oil profits

The bolded is the only disagreement with you.

[avatar4321]

Agreed.

We already have enough oil being produced, it is the cost that has changed. Why is the hard question.

What part of his sarcasm was tough to understand?

[MtnBiker]

The bolded is the only disagreement with you.

I was playing devils advocate.

[Yurt]

I was playing devils advocate.

be careful playing his advocate, there's hell to pay :D

[DragonStryk72]

Drilling for our own oil (engery) will only bring gas prices down a few pennies. Drilling for our own oil (energy) will not result in more supply for years to come. Drilling for our own oil (energy) will destroy pristine environment. We need to look for alternative sources of energy, wind power and solar, biofuels, these will all increase jobs and solve our dependency on foreign oil, and lower Big Oil profits

Okay, I do agree with your point on the economic factor, MtB, however, you also have to look at the world situation. Let's take the first Gulf War, for instance. Now, because we needed oil from the Middle East, and everyone knew it, Saddam torched the Kuwait oil fields as a final act of spite, which reeks havoc on the environment far more than any possible mishap.

I believe that, while yes, we do need to look to alternative fuels, at the same time, we need energy independence, so that they can't use some bogus reason as a reason to scare up the price of oil. yes, we need to care for the world God gave us, that's a responsibility we all share, but at the same time, we also need to balance that against the sheer degree of asinine difficulty we are having in developing a secure line of oil.

Now, strictly speaking, we don't need to drill for oil. There is Coal to Oil technology already existent that could help us out tremendously, because we have a severe abundance of coal here in America, with many closed mines that could be easily reopened with little harm to the environment. It would cost $45 a barrel, but compared with the current $100 plus, yeah, I'm willing to take that hit, at least until they come out with a better electric car.

[Gaffer]

I thought I would save some time for those opposed to us securing our own energy needs and throw out some talking points. :D

Was gonna ask....who are you and what have you done with Mtnbiker? :lol:

[Kathianne]

Bottom line which really has only come out piecemeal in the past year or so. The US has more proven reserves, even without more exploration, than SA. That we've failed to utilize them, while oil prices are rising at the record levels, it's just wrong and the Congress, not the oil companies should be paying the price.

[AFbombloader]

Everybody has made valid points on both sides of this argument. My question is this. Why can we not do both? We need to conserve energy WHILE increasing the supply. We need to expand the use of alternative forms of energy WHILE increasing the supply of oil. We can do both at the same time. Are we not the same people who went to the moon in under a decade?

Open the restricted areas to responsible drilling, make cars that run on less gas or not on gas at all, build nuclear power plants, build wind farms and solar fields where applicable. All of these things will create jobs (which we need). All of these things will be positive to our economy. Are any of these immediate, no. We can do nothing immediately to reduce the supply or demand. Lets be patient and look at the long term.

AF:salute:

[Gaffer]

Everybody has made valid points on both sides of this argument. My question is this. Why can we not do both? We need to conserve energy WHILE increasing the supply. We need to expand the use of alternative forms of energy WHILE increasing the supply of oil. We can do both at the same time. Are we not the same people who went to the moon in under a decade?

Open the restricted areas to responsible drilling, make cars that run on less gas or not on gas at all, build nuclear power plants, build wind farms and solar fields where applicable. All of these things will create jobs (which we need). All of these things will be positive to our economy. Are any of these immediate, no. We can do nothing immediately to reduce the supply or demand. Lets be patient and look at the long term.

AF:salute:

Your right. We can do all of it at once. The only thing preventing us from doing it is congress. They are too busy playing politics. Now they are not only playing with the lives of our military, they are playing with our lives and way of making a living. We need a million man march on washington and we need to physically throw those clowns out.

[Dilloduck]

Your right. We can do all of it at once. The only thing preventing us from doing it is congress. They are too busy playing politics. Now they are not only playing with the lives of our military, they are playing with our lives and way of making a living. We need a million man march on washington and we need to physically throw those clowns out.

Ever notice how many times we come to the conclusion that partisan politics is destroying us ?

[Gaffer]

Ever notice how many times we come to the conclusion that partisan politics is destroying us ?

Very true. None of them are there to serve the country, they are there for their own power trips.

[AFbombloader]

Ever notice how many times we come to the conclusion that partisan politics is destroying us ?

Yes I have, and it sickens me. These individuals who end up in Congress forget who they work for. We need to make a statement somehow. The dem's made one a few years ago and voted out the rep's in congress. Maybe we need to do it again. The only problem is, the alternative is just as bad.

AF:salute:

[glockmail]

i don't think all the same market considerations would, however, one of the larger concerns, supply of oil giving the world wide increased demand, would of course be allayed...

we need to strengthen our dollar Waht better way to strengthen our dollar then the old fashioned way: digging (or pumping) it out of the ground and trading it on the world market for other people's cash?

[namvet]

and I hope OPEC is listening to this as well. if we start drilling the deserts over there will seem a lot hotter................

[red states rule]

Yes I have, and it sickens me. These individuals who end up in Congress forget who they work for. We need to make a statement somehow. The dem's made one a few years ago and voted out the rep's in congress. Maybe we need to do it again. The only problem is, the alternative is just as bad.

AF:salute:

and what promises the Dems to get elected, have they kept?

[AFbombloader]

and what promises the Dems to get elected, have they kept?

I'm not defending the dems. I was making a point about how nobody has really kept their promises.

AF:salute:

[red states rule]

I'm not defending the dems. I was making a point about how nobody has really kept their promises.

AF:salute:

At one time Republicans did. When they walked away from Ronald Reagan conservatism, they became more like Dems

Bottom line is, Dems are going to make things much worse like Peanuit Carter did in the late 70's

NOW, Republicans are starting to show hoe Dems are clueless on lowering gas prices

[AFbombloader]

At one time Republicans did. When they walked away from Ronald Reagan conservatism, they became more like Dems

Bottom line is, Dems are going to make things much worse like Peanuit Carter did in the late 70's

NOW, Republicans are starting to show hoe Dems are clueless on lowering gas prices

I agree with you 100%. I wish someone would keep to their word. Right about now I don't even care what party they belong to.

AF:salute:

[red states rule]

I agree with you 100%. I wish someone would keep to their word. Right about now I don't even care what party they belong to.

AF:salute:

Better late then never, but McCain now sees we need to drill for our own oil

Polls are showing more and more people agree with him

Dems are in trouble on this issue, and it may be the #1 issue on Election day

[AFbombloader]

Better late then never, but McCain now sees we need to drill for our own oil

Polls are showing more and more people agree with him

Dems are in trouble on this issue, and it may be the #1 issue on Election day

Roget that. We need to drill, we need to go nuke for the powerplants, we need to do alot more than we are right now. Unfortunately, that states have a lot of power when it comes to this, and Arnold and Jeb have already come across and no drilling. That takes CA and FL off the immediate lists of available places to drill. My Dad worked to Vetco Offshore in the 80's in CA, he actually was a design draftsman for the offshore drilling platforms. He said they would probe and cap, probe and cap. We know of a lot of places we could immediately drill off the southern CA coast, but cannot.

AF:salute:

[red states rule]

Roget that. We need to drill, we need to go nuke for the powerplants, we need to do alot more than we are right now. Unfortunately, that states have a lot of power when it comes to this, and Arnold and Jeb have already come across and no drilling. That takes CA and FL off the immediate lists of available places to drill. My Dad worked to Vetco Offshore in the 80's in CA, he actually was a design draftsman for the offshore drilling platforms. He said they would probe and cap, probe and cap. We know of a lot of places we could immediately drill off the southern CA coast, but cannot.

AF:salute:

Things are changing. More and more people are fed up with the failed policies of the kook left and the enviro wackos

By Election day, energy could be the top issue, and Dems will lose big if thery stick with Pres Peanut Carter's energy plans

[AFbombloader]

Things are changing. More and more people are fed up with the failed policies of the kook left and the enviro wackos

By Election day, energy could be the top issue, and Dems will lose big if thery stick with Pres Peanut Carter's energy plans

I can only pray so much!!!!

[namvet]

I hope OPEC is reading this

[red states rule]

I can only pray so much!!!!

I believe some polls are showing close to 60% now support more drilling :clap:

[glockmail]

I hope OPEC is reading this Why do you think the Saudis just increased production? Their aim is to keep costs down to a point where we won't use our own resources. You bet they are honestly worried about the recent price spike. Even Obama would rather have seen the price rise gradually.

[red states rule]

Why do you think the Saudis just increased production? Their aim is to keep costs down to a point where we won't use our own resources. You bet they are honestly worried about the recent price spike. Even Obama would rather have seen the price rise gradually.

and I am sure there are many Dems who would have no problem jacking up the Federal gas tax

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I hope OPEC is reading this

Yeah! He'll be real happy if he does! Har-haw huh,huh!

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Yeah! He'll be real happy if he does! Har-haw huh,huh!


Har-haw huh,huh

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and I am sure there are many Dems who would have no problem jacking up the Federal gas tax
That's their strategy to reduce prices: raise costs, and reduce supply. Makes sense, especially for the consumer, don't it?

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Here's the mentality we're dealing with in one example that I personally experienced, and can be multiplied thousands of times throughout the U.S.A..

I get a knock at the door two days ago. A young man of college age with a clipboard greets me with a smile and a "Hello.". "I'm representing folks who are fighting global warming, and pollution of our planet.".

I expressed to the young man that I didn't buy into the global warming hype, and even mentioned to him that we just experienced a mini-ice age that finished up in the 1700's, where millions of souls were lost to plague, starvation, etc.. because of the downturn of global temps.. The fellow's eyes glazed over, and then he started on his memorized monologue of how we need to invest in alternative energy, and especially solar, and wind power.

I explained to him that wind power is a negative sum gain, as it was subsidized by the U.S. government way back, and folks were building expensive wind generators for small bucks because us tax payers were paying for them. Also I explained to him that these windmills don't pay for themselves unless they are mainly subsidized, so the money has to come from somewhere........it isn't free. The electricity these windmills produce in their lifetime will not pay for cost of the windmill generator.

I explained to him that his group probably thought this an abomination, but "nuke" power was the safest, cleanest, means of power available, and that groups such as his had thwarted, continuing atomic power plant production in this country, via scare tactics of horrendous undocumented/supported consequences to our populous, starting with brainwashing our children in the public school system.

He just didn't get it. I asked him which country in the world has experienced the worst consequences of the Atomic age? He said, "Japan, of course!". I agreed, and asked him if he knew what Japan was doing about supplying electric power to their grid? He didn't have a clue. I explained to him that Japan is building Nuke power plants..........Yes the folks that lost so many of their own at Hiroshima and Nagasaki! I asked why would the progressive Japanese follow that plan of supplying their nation with power, and us, the U.S.A. who had a little "blip" at Three Mile Island, that was blown all out of proportion by the anti-nuke/anti-growth/anti-everything movement do just the opposite? He hadn't a clue.

I asked him what he thought of hydrogen as a future fuel? H20 out of our car/truck tailpipes would be great? He agreed. Well, the only plausible, mass scale way to do it is through electrically breaking H20 molecules apart and not through algae, fuel cells, or hydrogen generators. Right now it is negative sum gain when it comes to using hydrogen as a fuel to replace oil, natural gas, propane, methane.....etc.... Why? Cause it takes more energy to free-up H2 from water than the amount of work or energy you get from it when you burn it in an internal combustion engine........................Yet!...........If we had a major nuke power plant expansion in the U.S.A. we would end up producing excess grid power, and could start using the excess to produce or H2 from water, and start stock piling it.

France and China are on a nuke power plant building frenzy. France is determined to be extortion free of OPEC oil dependence for their power needs/production.

We have been hit with scare storys about spent nuclear fuel not being safe to store anywhere.......and how it will leak out from it's containers and poison the earth and underground water supplies...............All undocumented, unscientific scare tactics!

The nuclear fuel utilized by a large reactor that powere, for example the U.S.S. Ronald Reagan aircraft carrier will last roughly 20 years. In other words, the Ronald Reagan is fuel every 20 years. Now it isn't cheap to mine Uranium and break it down into fissionable material for reactor rods, but the science and technique or industry that does this has high safety record.

Secondly, the spent fuel rods from nuke plants are reused. The spent radioactive fuel is reworked and from that some useable, fissionable material is reused. The remainder is dumped safely using techniques that will containerize it longer than it's dangerous radioactive life.

Amount of radioactive waste: Folks think we are dumping tons or truck loads of radioactive waste.........that isn't the case. The actual, physical radioactive material is very small, but the containerization of it is large to insure safety from leakage.

Japan got the bitter end of the nuclear age, yet they are embracing clean, safe nuclear power for their future power needs..............Us, the U.S.A. who introduced the world to the modern nuclear age have been castrated by anti-war/anti-growth scare mongers who would prefer that we go back to the agrarian age and all get behind a pair of oxen, and live in the stone age, or in solar octagon houses with pit toilets.

You can blame oil companies all you want.........., but supply and demand do affect prices at the pump. I don't own stock in the oil companies, and it's been a real burden for me and my family and our relatives to cope with the price of fuel lately. We are definitely changing our lifestyles to adjust to this big gouge on our monthy budget.

Years have gone by, where so many fruitful, potential oil reserves have been made off-limits on our own nation's property, because of these "green" organization, such as Sierra Club, Earth First, etc.. and their immense lobbies in Congress and our state legislatures. These folks have tried to convince us that the sky is falling.........for the last 40 years or more..........Predictions back in the 1930's were, that our oil reserves were going to be depleted within a few years........yet this country seemed to keep "chugging" on finding more energy/oil reserves.

The Dakotas show great promise; ANWAR, off the California coast......where drilling has been stopped for many years................the Gulf of Mexico........oil shale........Canada's oil sands.............These oil reserves are larger than the Saudi reserves!

The Alaska pipe line project proved that man could extract energy and do minimal affect to wildlife........That project goes back to the 1970's...............That's over 30 years ago, and our scientific know-how to extract oil and transport it is even safer, and more environmentally sound.

Our we going to let a handful of scare mongers, who have poli-sci, and journalism degrees from our liberal universities control us and convince us that they know what's best for us, and we are just stupid sheeple, cause we aren't empathetic to Mother Earth? I hope the tide is changing..........The most advanced coal burning power plant in the U.S. spews more radioactive isotopes into the atmosphere burning coal, than all the nuke plants in the U.S. combined.

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http://www.foundshit.com/pictures/funny/chip-giller-global-warming.jpg
Don't let 'em get away with it!!!!!:eek:

[red states rule]

http://www.foundshit.com/pictures/funny/chip-giller-global-warming.jpg
Don't let 'em get away with it!!!!!:eek:

As long as pinheads keep buying into the looney myth of global warming (or whatever you clowns call it now) they will keep trying to destroy the US economy by spending trillions on a problem that does not exist