Marine expelled over YouTube puppy video

[LiberalNation]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25108189/

HONOLULU - The Marine Corps is expelling one Marine and disciplined another
for their roles in a video showing a Marine throwing a puppy off a cliff
while on patrol in Iraq.

The 17-second video posted on YouTube drew sharp condemnation from animal
rights groups when it came to light in March.

The clip shows two Marines joking before one hurls the puppy into a rocky
gully. A yelping sound is heard as it flips through the air.

Marine Corps Base Hawaii said in a news release Wednesday that Lance Cpl.
David Motari received unspecified "non-judicial punishment" and "is being
processed for separation" from the Marine Corps.

The second Marine, Sgt. Crismarvin Banez Encarnacion, also received
unspecified "non-judicial" punishment.

[Hagbard Celine]

Good riddance. That guy was a faggot.

[hjmick]

As it should be.

[Yurt]

Good riddance. That guy was a faggot.

whats wrong with faggots?

[82Marine89]

Good riddance. That guy was a faggot.

I'd pick him against you any day of the week.

[Hagbard Celine]

I'd pick him against you any day of the week.

Good for you meathead.

[Hagbard Celine]

whats wrong with faggots?

They throw puppies off cliffs.

[Abbey Marie]

There wasn't enough violence and pain around for these two guys?
Good decision by the Corps.

[Psychoblues]

One was a punk ass and the other was the punker. Both should have been discharged. What's wrong with the Marine Corps these days?

[rppearso]

I'd pick him against you any day of the week.

Isent this what they train marines to do, basicly to turn them into phycopath killers. I think thats the bottom line, all of there training is designed to desensitize them and then they want to discharge them for exactly what the trained them to do, the hypocracy is so thick in the miltiary you can cut it with a knife. Also there discharges were probably less than honorable affecting them for the rest of there lives because they were doing what they were trained to do which is kill things. The military is 100% responsible for any unforseen consequences to there brutal training methods not the trainee.

[Noir]

Good Good, the video was sick and i hope their families and friends are very proud of them, scumbags.

[Psychoblues]

The largest issue on this board, rppearso, is it's refusal to accept responsibility for those it chooses to make battlefield decisions whether straightforward or more obliquely. These cats are genuinely sick. I suspect, however, the military did not create their sickness but it cerainly intensified it, don't you think?

[hjmick]

Isent this what they train marines to do, basicly to turn them into phycopath killers. I think thats the bottom line, all of there training is designed to desensitize them and then they want to discharge them for exactly what the trained them to do, the hypocracy is so thick in the miltiary you can cut it with a knife. Also there discharges were probably less than honorable affecting them for the rest of there lives because they were doing what they were trained to do which is kill things. The military is 100% responsible for any unforseen consequences to there brutal training methods not the trainee.

Yes, that is exactly what they do. Just look at this list of psychopathic killers:


Colonel John Herschel Glenn, Jr. (b.1921)

U.S. Senator(D) from Ohio for four terms starting in 1974; He became the oldest person to travel into space in 1998. (see also Noteworthy Marines)

Lieutenant Colonel Charles S. Robb

U.S. Senator(D) from Virginia, In 1991, he was the sole member of the Democratic leadership to actively support a Resolution giving President Bush authority to wage Operation Desert Storm. Served 34 years of active and reserve time in the Corps before retiring in 1991. Awarded Bronze Star with Combat V and Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry with Silver Star.

Colonel Ed McMahon

Marine fighter pilot in World War II and Korea (85 combat missions). Test pilot for the Corsair. Co-hosted The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson for 30 years from 1962 to 1992, then hosted Star Search for 12 years where he "discovered" budding artists such as Rosie, Sinbad, Drew Carey, Dennis Miller, Le Ann Rimes, Lara Flyn Boyle, Jenny Jones and others. American Family Publishers Sweepstakes spokesperson. He has appeared in numerous other commercials, television shows, Broadway productions and movies. One of the most recognized people in America and possibly the world.

Staff Sergeant Dale Bumpers

24 years as U.S. Senator(D) from Arkansas, 2 terms as Arkansas Governor

Corporal Conrad Burns

U.S. Senator(R) from Montana

Lieutenant John H. Chaffee

U.S. Senator(R) from Rhode Island

Captain Pat Roberts

U.S. Senator(R) from Kansas

Captain Craig Thomas

U.S. Senator(R) from Wyoming

Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North

became well-known during the Iran-Contra hearings, but has since made a name for himself as a radio talk show host

Corporal Gene Hackman (b.1931)

served six years from 1946-1952 in China, Japan and Hawaii; 2-time Oscar-winning actor for his roles in The French Connection and Unforgiven. He has appeared in more than 70 films including Superman IV, Hoosiers, and Crimson Tide.

John Warner (USMCR)

U.S. Senator(R) from Virginia

F. Lee Bailey (b.1933)

Marine pilot; well-known lawyer

Pete Wilson

Governor of California

David N. Dinkins (b.1927)

First African-American Mayor of New York City (1990-1993)

Dan Rather (b.1931)

60 Minutes (1975-1981); CBS Evening News (1981-Present)

Bernard Shaw

CNN Evening News

Donald Regan

Youngest President of Merrill Lynch

Frederick W. Smith

Founder and CEO of Federal Express

George Pratt Schultz (b.1920)

Ph.D. from Massachusetts Institute of Technology, 1949; taught at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (1946–57) and the Univ. of Chicago (1957–68). Under President Nixon, he served as Secretary of Labor (1969–70), Director of the Office of Management and Budget (1970–72), and Secretary of the Treasury (1972–74); Secretary of State from 1982-1989

Lieutenant James Addison Baker III (b.1930)

Born in Houston, TX; served 1952-1954; expert marksman and member of the Camp Lejeune rifle and pistol team; appointed Undersecretary of Commerce in 1975; campaign manager for Gerald Ford in his unsuccessful bid for reelection in 1976 and for George Bush in his unsuccessful bid for the Republican presidential nomination in 1980 and his successful election in 1988; Under Ronald Reagan, Baker served first as chief of staff and then as Secretary of the Treasury; Secretary of State from 1989-1992

Rod Carew (b.1945)

Baseball Hall of Famer; led AL in batting 7 times (1969,72-75,77-78) with Minnesota; MVP in 1977; had 3,053 career hits.

Theodore (Ted) Samuel Williams (b.1918)

Marine pilot served (1943–45) in World War II and again (1952–53) in the Korean War; Baseball Hall of Famer; lifetime batting average of .344 and hit a total of 521 home runs

Roberto Walker Clemente (1934-1972)

Baseball Hall of Famer; lifetime batting average of .317 and hit 240 home runs. He died in an airplane crash while attempting to take food and medicine to earthquake victims in Nicaragua in Dec., 1972.

Keith Jackson

the "Voice of the NCAA" (College Football Announcer)

Ken Norton

former Heavyweight Boxing Champion, Three-time All-Marine Boxing Champion

Leon Spinks (b.1953)

won heavyweight crown in split decision over Muhammad Ali in Feb.1978; won gold medal in light heavyweight division at 1976 Olympics

Harvey Keitel

served in Lebanon; He first appeared in a movie in 1968 and has since been in more than 70 films. His movie credits include, Mean Streets, Taxi Driver, The Last Temptation of Christ, Reservoir Dogs, and Pulp Fiction. He has also produced or co-produced a few films and appeared on TV.

Montel Williams

Emmy award-winning talk show host (see also our Noteworthy Marines page)

George Campbell Scott (1927-1999)

served for four years starting in 1945; actor, best known for his Oscar-winning portrayal of Gen. George S. Patton in the film Patton. He won an Emmy Award for his part in 12 Angry Men, a remake of the film for Showtime. The actor refused to accept his 1971 Oscar, calling the ceremony a "meat parade" and condemning the Oscars in general as "offensive, barbarous, and innately corrupt". He refused to attend or even watch the ceremony. He also turned down an Emmy for his performance in Arthur Miller's The Price. Scott, who also received Academy Award nominations for Best Supporting Actor in 1962 for his role in Robert Rossen's The Hustler and for Best Actor in 1972 for Arthur Hiller's The Hospital. He died of an anuerysm.

Tyrone Power (1914-1958)

Film and stage actor known for his roles as a romantic swashbuckler. His films include Mark of Zorro (1940), The Razor's Edge (1946), Nightmare Alley (1947), The Sun Also Rises (1957), and Witness for the Prosecution (1957).

Terrence Steven "Steve" McQueen (1930-1980)

enlisted and served as a mechanic/tank driver for three years. Television and film actor known for his roles as a cool loner; In 1955 he and Martin Landau were the only two people chosen out of a group of 2000 that auditioned to get into Lee Strasberg's Actor's Studio, a prestigious training center whose graduates include Robert De Niro, Al Pacino, Marlon Brando and Marilyn Monroe. He appeared in the television series Wanted — Dead or Alive (1958–61). His many film credits include The Magnificent Seven (1960), The Thomas Crown Affair (1968) Bullitt (1968) and Papillon (1973). For a time he was the highest paid actor in the world, making $5 million per film. He died of cancer in Juarez, Mexico three days before the Marine Corps birthday in 1980.

Glenn Ford (b.1916)

A Broadway stage actor, he entered films in 1939 and starred opposite Rita Hayworth in Gilda (1946). He was in many other films including Battle of the Midway (1976). He won a Golden Globe for his performance in A Pocketful of Miracles (1962), and appeared in several telefilms throughout the '70s, including Evening in Byzantium (1978) and The Sacketts (1979).

Drew Carey (b.1958)

served in the USMCR from 1981-1986; actor and comedian appearing on many shows; He had his own show and hosted Who's Line is it Anyway?.

Andre Dubus (1936-1999)

served six years in the Corps; short-story writer and novelist with works such as The Lieutenant (1967) and Andromache (1977), which is considered to be his best of many stories about the Corps.

David Douglas Duncan (b.1916)

served during WWII photographing Marine Corps aviation in the Pacific; he became a staff photographer for Life magazine in 1946 and covered the Korean War in 1950; his photos are featured in the book This is War (1951).

I. Michael Heyman (b.1930)

served as a Marine Corps officer during the Korean War; former editor of the Yale Law Journal; former chief law clerk for Chief Justice Earl Warren; former chancellor of the University of California at Berkeley; inducted as the CEO of The Smithsonian Institution in 1994.

Robert ****

former Marine fighter pilot; as vice-chairman and president of Chrysler he is largely credited with their revitalization during the company's second turnaround in the 1990's; he retired from Chrysler in 1998 to take over Exide.

Jefferey P. Papows

former Marine officer; earned a Ph.D; CEO and President of Lotus Development Corporation until February 2000; authored the book Enterprise.com; he has also been a keynote speaker at COMDEX

Captain Dale Dye (b. 8 Oct 1944)

this mustang officer served his enlisted time as a combat correspondent in Vietnam in 1965 and 1967-1970. He earned numerous decorations including 3 Purple Hearts. He rose to the rank of Master Sergeant during his 13 years as an enlisted Marine before going to OCS and being commissioned as a Captain. He retired in 1984. He has been the military technical advisor on numerous movies including Starship Troopers, Platoon, JFK, Forrest Gump and Born on the Fourth of July.

Charles (Chuck) R. Swindoll (b.1934)

President of Dallas Theological Seminary and chairman of Insight for Living, his radio Bible teaching ministry. It airs on more than 1900 radio stations worldwide in thirteen languages. www.insight.org

Mills Lane

served three years in the Marine Corps from 1956-1959 as an infantry rifle instructor and earned the Welterweight Boxing Championship while stationed on Okinawa. NCAA Welterweight Champion in 1960. He became a boxing referee in 1964 and became most well-known for his decision against Mike Tyson during the Holyfield fight when Tyson bit Holyfield's ear. He graduated law school in 1970; became a trial prosecutor in 1971; worked as chief deputy sheriff and special prosecutor from 1979-1982; District Attorney from 1982-1990; District Judge from 1990-1998. Since 1998 he has appeared in his own courtroom television series, Judge Mills Lane.

Robert Bork

served 1945-1946, then was called back during the Korean War; earned his law degree and practiced law in the Chicago area until the 1960's; taught constitutional law at Yale Law School as the Alexander M. Bickel Professor of Public Law - two of his students were Bill and Hillary Clinton; during the Nixon presidency he served as Solicitor General and Acting Attorney General; President Reagan appointed his Circuit Judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia (D.C.) in 1981; author of The Antitrust Paradox (1978) and The Tempting of America: The Political Seduction of the Law (1990)

Jesse Brown

served 1963-1966; his right arm was partially paralyzed by sniper fire in Vietnam 1965; served on the staff of the Disabled American Veterans for 26 years; President Clinton appointed him United States Secretary of Veterans Affairs in 1993

Lieutenant Colonel Robin Higgins

her final assignments during her 20 years of service were the chief spokesman for the Commandant and head of the Public Affairs Division's media branch. She became an internationally-known speaker and author after the capture of her husband, Colonel William R. Higgins, by Lebanese terrorists in 1988. He was later murdered by the terrorists in 1990. A destroyer, the USS Higgins (DDG76), is named after him. She served as Executive Director of Florida's Department of Veteran's Affairs and was appointed by President George W. Bush to serve as the Under Secretary of the Department of Veteran's Affairs for Memorial Affairs. She was unanimously confirmed by the Senate in March 2001.

Captain Arthur Sulzberger

served as a Corporal in World War II and as a Lieutenant in Korea. Publisher of the New York Times for 26 years.

Donald James Yarmy "Don Adams" (b.1926)

after enlisting, he was shot on Guadalcanal in World War II and was med-evac'd to New Zealand in 1943 suffering from blackwater fever, which was fatal in 90% of all cases. Don says that God answered his prayers and saved his life. He was the voice of Tennesse Tuxedo and Inspector Gadget in the cartoons, but he is most well-known for his role as bumbling Maxwell Smart, Agent 86, in the TV spy-showGet Smart! He won three Emmy Awards for that role. which was an Emmy record until Kelsey Grammer beat it in the 1990's. He also won a Clio award for a commercial that he directed in 1971. He is currently performing as the voice of Principal Hickey on ABC/Disney's PepperAnn.

Bob Keeshan (b.1927)

served during World War II. He played Clarabell the Clown on the Howdy Doody show for six years, but is best known as Captain Kangaroo, a role that he played for 50 years. His career as the Captain spanned nine U.S. presidencies and his show had over 200 million viewers. His numerous awards include Ohio State Broadcaster of the Year, a Golden Globe, 2 Peabodies, 6 Emmy awards, and in 1982 he was awarded the National Education Association's Award for the Advancement of Learning through Television. In 1987, he co-founded Corporate Family Solutions, a developmental child-care for corporate employees.

Bernice Frankel "Bea Arthur" (b.1923)

served during World War II. Best known for her roles in Maude, All in the Family, and The Golden Girls.

Brian Dennehy

served five years in the Corps. Contrary to some stories, he did not see combat and was not wounded. He has starred in over 40 feature films and numerous TV movies. He has also become a writer, producer, and director.

James Lee Barrett

screenwriter for a large number of films, including The D.I. (1957), The Greatest Story Ever Told (1965), Shenandoah (1965), The Green Berets (1968), and Smokey and the Bandit (1977). He wrote the screenplays for several TV movies including Stagecoach (1986) and Warden of Red Rock (2001). He also is a producer. One of his productions was Streets of Laredo, a TV mini-series.

Gunnery Sergeant Ronald Lee Ermey (b. 24 Mar 1944)

served 11 years in the Corps including 1.5 tours in Vietnam. He was medically retired from injuries received. He has since appeared in nearly 40 movies including Apocalypse Now, The Boys in Company C, Mississippi Burning, and Full Metal Jacket. He has also done voiceovers for movies and television including Toy Story, Toy Story 2, The Simpsons, and Toy Soldiers. He was nominated for a Golden Globe and the Boston Society of Film Critics gave him the award for "Best Supporting Actor" for his role as the D.I. in Full Metal Jacket.

Corporal Gustav Hasford (28 Nov 1947 - 29 Jan 1993)

served as a Marine combat correspondent with the 1st Marine Division in Vietnam from 1966-1968. While still in Vietnam he began writing about the experiences he had. The finished novel was finally published in 1979 as The Short-Timers. This book became the basis for the movie, Full Metal Jacket (1987). He also wrote the screenplay for the movie with Stanley Kubrick and Michael Hess. This resulted in an Academy Award nomination. This book has been highly acclaimed by the critics, with one of them even calling it, "The best work of fiction about the Vietnam war." He died of complications from diabetes.

Private Lee Marvin (19 Feb 1924 - 28 Aug 1987)

Popular character actor from Broadway to television to the big screen. He was in numerous movies including, The Dirty Dozen, and an Academy Award winning performance in Cat Ballou. He served in the Pacific during World War II. He was wounded in the buttocks during the battle of Saipan and received a Purple Heart. He died from a heart attack the year following the release of his final movie, The Delta Force. He is buried in Arlington National Cemetary.

Colonel John Kline

elected to the U.S. House of Representatives in 2002 as one of the representatives from Minnesota; re-elected in 2004; he retired after 25 years in the Marine Corps where he flew helicopters in the Vietnam conflict, commanded all of the aviation forces during Operation Restore Hope in Somalia, flew Marine One, and served as military aide to Presidents Carter and Reagan; his responsibilities included carrying and protecting the nuclear launch codes in a package known as the "nuclear football"

John Philip "The March King" Sousa (1854-1932)

the most famous leader of the Marine Band, The President's Own, who wrote many famous marches including Semper Fidelis and Stars and Stripes Forever. He was enlisted on June 9, 1868 by his father at the age of 13 for 7 and a half years to prevent him from running away with the circus. Sousa left the Marine Corps after that enlistment but returned in 1880 and served as Director of the Marine Band until 1892. He wrote an autobiography called Marching Along in 1928.



Murderous, psychopathic scum, every one of them. http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Confused/confused-37.gif

Get a clue, Junior. The nut jobs are the exception, not the rule.

[Psychoblues]

Get a clue, hjmick, and don't try and change the subject because you have no explanation or excuse for the premise of the conversation, can you dig it?

[hjmick]

Get a clue, hjmick, and don't try and change the subject because you have no explanation or excuse for the premise of the conversation, can you dig it?

I've got a clue. The explanation is simple, the guy was a sick fuck before he went in. The system didn't catch it. He was still a sick fuck. He did a sick thing, he's out. Hopefully he is seeking help for his mental disorder. There is no excuse for it.

rppearso lumps all Marines into the basket with this warped turd. The simple fact is, you can't do that. The Marines who behave in a manner similar to or worse than this guy are the exception. All I did was give rp an example of the types of people he was trying to paint with one brush.

[Psychoblues]

I don't think rp was painting with that broad a brush, hjmick, and I don't think your very wide brush paints an accurate picture either.




I've got a clue. The explanation is simple, the guy was a sick fuck before he went in. The system didn't catch it. He was still a sick fuck. He did a sick thing, he's out. Hopefully he is seeking help for his mental disorder. There is no excuse for it.

rppearso lumps all Marines into the basket with this warped turd. The simple fact is, you can't do that. The Marines who behave in a manner similar to or worse than this guy are the exception. All I did was give rp an example of the types of people he was trying to paint with one brush.

Can we get back to the subject without getting so personally involved?

[hjmick]

I don't think rp was painting with that broad a brush, hjmick, and I don't think your very wide brush paints an accurate picture either.

You're right, the list I posted is an example of exceptions. Most Marines leave the service and lead ordinary lives. This is true of all branches of service.



Can we get back to the subject without getting so personally involved?

I honestly didn't realize I had taken it so personally. People close to me have served and served honorably, I think most who seek a uniform in service of our country do. rp has what I percieve to be a track record of maligning those in service, those who have served, and the military in general. I suppose I just had my fill tonight.

Now...what was the subject again?

[Psychoblues]

Very well, hjmick, and I agree with at least most of what you have to say. I take it a little too personally myself, sometimes.




You're right, the list I posted is an example of exceptions. Most Marines leave the service and lead ordinary lives. This is true of all branches of service.




I honestly didn't realize I had taken it so personally. People close to me have served and served honorably, I think most who seek a uniform in service of our country do. rp has what I percieve to be a track record of maligning those in service, those who have served, and the military in general. I suppose I just had my fill tonight.

Now...what was the subject again?

The jerks that killed the puppy. What are we supposed the think or do about them?

[hjmick]

The jerks that killed the puppy. What are we supposed the think or do about them?

Ah yes...

I would hope that we would all agree that their actions were deplorable. Personally, I think they guy who threw the puppy needs professional help at the very least. His actions make me wonder if he was in the habit of killing small animals when he was younger. As for what to do, he was released from the Corp, that's a good thing. I would have no problem if some one went after him under some cruelty to animals statute, though I imagine that would be impossible due to the location of the incident.

[Psychoblues]

The real deal, hmjick, is that the recently dischaged marine is probably already at the VA looking for treatment for a disease and personality disfunction that had about zero to do with his service in the Marines.




Ah yes...

I would hope that we would all agree that their actions were deplorable. Personally, I think they guy who threw the puppy needs professional help at the very least. His actions make me wonder if he was in the habit of killing small animals when he was younger. As for what to do, he was released from the Corp, that's a good thing. I would have no problem if some one went after him under some cruelty to animals statute, though I imagine that would be impossible due to the location of the incident.

He ain't the only one and the real problems generated from actual combat exposure are waiting on room for the VA to treat them somehow, some way and some day. Such is the extended price of war which leads me to explain further that unjustified war leads to extrapolated and unintended costs to the innocents in very many ways!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hjmick]

I can't disagree, Psycho. It has always been a stain on this nation the way our veterans are treated. Shameful says it all, yet doesn't say enough. Many can and will argue that they get what they need, I say we can give them more.

[Psychoblues]

I don't know whether you fully understood what I said, hmjick.



I can't disagree, Psycho. It has always been a stain on this nation the way our veterans are treated. Shameful says it all, yet doesn't say enough. Many can and will argue that they get what they need, I say we can give them more.

I have little tolerance for the jerks that insist on VA care where their illnesses have nothing to do with military service to the exclusion for those whose anomolies are certainly related to their military service.

I know it is a subjective observation, but the objective results don't speak well for the care of our most deserving veterans. In any event, although I receive NO CARE from the VA as my private insurance does quite well for me, I am completely impressed with the level of care for the many veterans that do receive treatment at the VA. I don't think there is another medical institution in the world that can provide so much quality care for so many with such a nominal budget. Can you also agree?

[hjmick]

I don't know whether you fully understood what I said, hmjick.

To my embarrassment, I did not take the time to fully comprehend your meaning. My apologies. Grilling and posting apparently don't mix.


I have little tolerance for the jerks that insist on VA care where their illnesses have nothing to do with military service to the exclusion for those whose anomolies are certainly related to their military service.

I understand what you're saying, and I agree. Is this a big problem in the system or is it minor? I can't say that I've heard of it being a big issue. Then again, I don't run in the same circles as you. I would think that there is a place in the VA for everyone who has served, whether in wartime or not. It's one of the benefits. Though, unless it is a matter of life or death, those who need treatment due to injuries or conditions that were the result of their service should indeed be the priority.


I know it is a subjective observation, but the objective results don't speak well for the care of our most deserving veterans. In any event, although I receive NO CARE from the VA as my private insurance does quite well for me, I am completely impressed with the level of care for the many veterans that do receive treatment at the VA. I don't think there is another medical institution in the world that can provide so much quality care for so many with such a nominal budget. Can you also agree?

When you put it that way, I do agree. It is indeed impressive. I suppose my perception is somewhat jaded by the stories I read in the news and the ones I hear from those around me. Though the anecdotal tales I hear generally fall into the "how long do I have to wait" category.

[Psychoblues]

I lump those "How long do I have to wait" tales from the VA patients in the same vein as I lump the complainers at McDonalds for the same reason. Some jerks are just unreasonable. I am certain there are caveats but I know of no one that works harder or faster or more concerned than most of the ones I have personal experience with at the VA or McDonalds. There is a tremendous difference in quality, however. Even the VA hasn't been that corporatized to ignore quality care for the benefit of the bottom line, yet. Can you dig it?

[hjmick]

I lump those "How long do I have to wait" tales from the VA patients in the same vein as I lump the complainers at McDonalds for the same reason. Some jerks are just unreasonable. I am certain there are caveats but I know of no one that works harder or faster or more concerned than most of the ones I have personal experience with at the VA or McDonalds. There is a tremendous difference in quality, however. Even the VA hasn't been that corporatized to ignore quality care for the benefit of the bottom line, yet. Can you dig it?

I can dig it. I freely admit to forming my opinions about the VA through news stories and anecdotes. It is a topic I am happy to learn more about and to have whatever misconceptions I may hold corrected.

[Psychoblues]

I have been associated in one way or another with the VA since 1972, hmjick. The VA is not perfect and I have never claimed that it was. I do continue my claim, however, that no health institution in the world can match the level and amount of care for so many with so little as the United States Veterans Administration.



I can dig it. I freely admit to forming my opinions about the VA through news stories and anecdotes. It is a topic I am happy to learn more about and to have whatever misconceptions I may hold corrected.

One observation I have is that when the Democrats are strong, the VA is stronger. It is the slash, cut and eliminate propensities of the Republicans that diminish the quality and collective care of the VA. Did you know that on the same day that gwb made his fantastic bellyflop aircraft carrier landing and proclaimed "Mission Accomplished" he had earlier the same day signed legislation slashing the VA budget and appropriation? Not many know that fact.


Sorry for the edit. I had made a Freudian slip and said "Million Accomplished" and corrected it to "Mission Accomplished". Thanks for your endurance.

[hjmick]

Did you know that on the same day that gwb made his fantastic bellyflop aircraft carrier landing and proclaimed "Mission Accomplished" he had earlier the same day signed legislation slashing the VA budget and appropriation? Not many know that fact.

Honestly, I hadn't heard that. Though a quick Google search shows me that there is plenty to read on the subject and nearly every other article or Op/Ed contradicts the one before it.

[Psychoblues]

Any honest examination of the information available to you on Google or otherwise will confirm what I said is true. But, don't take my word for it, check it out for yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hjmick]

Any honest examination of the information available to you on Google or otherwise will confirm what I said is true. But, don't take my word for it, check it out for yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have no reason to think you a lair, a little goofy maybe, but not a liar. Which is not to say that I won't read some on the subject, I will. Being better informed on the subject won't hurt me, and I know there is much I don't know.

[Psychoblues]

Wasn't "Goofy" copywritten by the Walt Disney bunch?


I have no reason to think you a lair, a little goofy maybe, but not a liar. Which is not to say that I won't read some on the subject, I will. Being better informed on the subject won't hurt me, and I know there is much I don't know.

If need be, I'll do my best to help defend you as you did not know better, OK, hmjick?

Please, really, PLEASE do not patronize me, hmjick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can respect you without all that, don't 'cha know?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!

[hjmick]

I do my best not to patronize anyone. Ido intend to read more on the subject. Perhaps not tonight, but I will do my best to do it over the weekend. I try to be a man who does what he says he will do, and mostly I succeed.

[Psychoblues]

Lemme know if I can help in any way, hmjick.




I do my best not to patronize anyone. Ido intend to read more on the subject. Perhaps not tonight, but I will do my best to do it over the weekend. I try to be a man who does what he says he will do, and mostly I succeed.

BTW, have you read "Your Government Failed You" by Richard A. Clarke? It is a really good but seriously slow read. It sure kept my head spinning and going after verifications!!!!!!!!!! It appears after exhaustive research on my part to speak the absolute TRUTH.

Democrats=Good for Veterans

Republicans=Bad for Veterans and obviously Bad for Troops as well

[actsnoblemartin]

funny you mentioned that, i saw it in a book store the other tday, as i was looking at books with my girlfriend


Lemme know if I can help in any way, hmjick.





BTW, have you read "Your Government Failed You" by Richard A. Clarke? It is a really good but seriously slow read. It sure kept my head spinning and going after verifications!!!!!!!!!! It appears after exhaustive research on my part to speak the absolute TRUTH.

Democrats=Good for Veterans

Republicans=Bad for Veterans and obviously Bad for Troops as well

[Psychoblues]

Holy shit, Dynamo, just how did you read about hmjick and me in the bookstore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



funny you mentioned that, i saw it in a book store the other tday, as i was looking at books with my girlfriend

Good God, these freaks have more power than I ever knew about!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What did your girlfriend, April ('zat correct?) think about it?

[actsnoblemartin]

actually april is my best friend, lampheung (Lamb poon is my girlfriend :)

we didnt pick it up, but i thought it looked interesting


Holy shit, Dynamo, just how did you read about hmjick and me in the bookstore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Good God, these freaks have more power than I ever knew about!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What did your girlfriend, April ('zat correct?) think about it?

[hjmick]

Lemme know if I can help in any way, hmjick.

Will do Psycho, thanks. If nothing else, it may stimulate another discussion for us.


BTW, have you read "Your Government Failed You" by Richard A. Clarke? It is a really good but seriously slow read. It sure kept my head spinning and going after verifications!!!!!!!!!! It appears after exhaustive research on my part to speak the absolute TRUTH.

Democrats=Good for Veterans

Republicans=Bad for Veterans and obviously Bad for Troops as well

I have not read it, but I almost picked it up at Costco the other day. Went with Douglas Preston's The Monster of Florence (http://www.amazon.com/Monster-Florence-Douglas-Preston/dp/0446581194/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1213419631&sr=8-1) instead.

[Psychoblues]

Jamm up on that latest Scott McClellan book and lemme know what you think, hmjick.




Will do Psycho, thanks. If nothing else, it may stimulate another discussion for us.



I have not read it, but I almost picked it up at Costco the other day. Went with Douglas Preston's The Monster of Florence (http://www.amazon.com/Monster-Florence-Douglas-Preston/dp/0446581194/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1213419631&sr=8-1) instead.

I understand it is a tremendous recollection of actual facts that many would prefer that us common chickens would not need to know about. Perhaps we would be better off on the butcher's block?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[Abbey Marie]

The largest issue on this board, rppearso, is it's refusal to accept responsibility for those it chooses to make battlefield decisions whether straightforward or more obliquely. These cats are genuinely sick. I suspect, however, the military did not create their sickness but it cerainly intensified it, don't you think?

I think that's a brilliant point, Psycho.

[Psychoblues]

Why, blushing, thank you, Abbey.



I think that's a brilliant point, Psycho.

Why do I feel like you're about to stick one up my rear end? It wouldn't be anything new for you, would it?

[darin]

Why, blushing, thank you, Abbey.




Why do I feel like you're about to stick one up my rear end? It wouldn't be anything new for you, would it?


Everybody thank Psycho for getting the thread locked.

Dude - Back off Abbey. Nothing good can come from a thread you derail. I'll chat w/ the other staff about simply editing this and re-opening later.

[darin]

Pschyo removed from further participation in this thread.